SHOGUN: Lady Ochiba No-Kata REAL STORY Explained
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- I review, breakdown and explain Shogun Episode 6 on FX. I discuss the character Lady Ochiba No-Kata and reveal the real story behind her and how she was inspired by Yodo-Dono. I react to the other inspiration and true story in history which is Toranaga who is inspired by Tokagawa, John Blackthorne who is inspired by William Adams, Mariko who is inspired by Tamako and how similar it is to the show. I also give my theories and predictions on episode 7.
00:00 Intro
00:46 Lady Ochiba No Kato’s Real Story Explained
08:05 Outro
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What do you think of Lady Ochiba so far? I'm looking forward to seeing just how in control she's going to be of Ishido and the council and what eventually happens to her in the show!
I think, like in history, just as scheming as Toranaga/Tokugawa, but less thoughtful about using the best people. She wants to eliminate those scheming against her and her son (and remember, at the start of the series, Toranaga effectively held her hostage), while Toranaga knows to use even the treacherous Yabushige, and refuses Blackthorne's urging to go against the Portuguese, because he thinks they could be useful even though he now knows they cannot be trusted.
From the moment I heard her voice she just sounded like a evil manipulator
4:09 you're not seeing the subtitles of acting Lady Ochiba here. She smiles at inappropriate times, such as right before making cutting remarks (perhaps even sarcastic) remarks towards others. I admit it's not a whole lot to go on, but probably truer to life than the original series. IRL, everything she said and did was scrutinized and gossiped about in the court, so she had to very guarded in everything she says at all times. In the series she's probably redeemable, but watch her facial expressions closely. She seems to enjoy others' suffering and embarrassment. Evil enough.
I think you should not call her "Lady Ochiba-no-kata" because the -no-kata ("person from") already means Lady here. Just Ochiba-no-kata please.
Love these reviews into the background of the real historical people.
Thank you for these real story breakdowns. Love seeing the comparisons from the characters and their real counterparts. Keep up with the excellent work. Thank you again.
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoy the videos
Ochiba means fallen leaves
淀殿…幼名は茶々。信長の妹お市の娘、太閤秀吉の側室であり嫡男秀頼の母。そして家康に立ちはだかる最後の壁となる
波乱に満ちた人生、母譲りの美貌、我が子の為に権力を振るう「悪女」として魅力的に描かれることが多いです
大老達を手玉に取る二階堂ふみさんの妖しくも威厳ある演技が素晴らしくて惹き込まれます
I watched Gou Himetachi no Sengoku. Cha-cha loved by Saru Toyotomi Hideyoshi and the only one who bear him heir, even his first wife haven't.Twice at that she bore him an heir. The resilience of Azai sisters are really good. How Gou's daughter taken care by Yodo and Hatsu adopted Gou's. They are very young when their mother commited seppuku with Shibata Katsuie and taken as hostage with Toyotomi Hideyoshi. The Sengoku era is really cruel lots of burning palaces and betrayals. Mitsunari I believed loved Chacha. And Hideyori for such a young age show true leadership skills. Even Tokugawa Ieyasu was intimidated
I really like your historical background videos, both for Shogun and for Masters of the Air. It enriches my viewing experience. Thank you!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Like I have said before, her life is a perfect mixture of Cersei Lannister (villainous) and Catelyn Stark (tragic).
Yodo’s father is Azai Nagamasa, who married to Oda Nobunaga’s sister Oichi.
Nagamasa made an alliance with Nobunaga but one day, Nagamasa broke a deal and sided with Nobunaga’s rivals instead because the Azai family had an alliance with the rival longer than with the Oda family.
This caused the coalition of Nobunaga, Hideyoshi and Ieyasu launched an invasion in the Battle of Anegawa and Siege of Odani Castle, causing Azai Nagamasa and his male heir to be killed. To top that, Nobunaga used the skulls of Azai Nagamasa and his son as sake cups in his dinner party. This cruel act towards her dead husband and son caused Oichi to never talk to her brother (Nobunaga) ever again.
So in real life, Nobunaga wasn’t Ochiba’s father. He was actually the one who killed Ochiba’s father.
Now, as a compensation, Nobunaga married Oichi off to his most loyal vassal named Shibata Katsuie.
Once Nobunaga was murdered by Akechi Mitsuhide (Mariko’s dad) in 1582, Akechi was branded a traitor and later got executed by Toyotomi Hideyoshi (the Taiko). Now the major thorn in Hideyoshi’s side who will prevent him from becoming the ruler of Japan were Shibata Katsuie (Nobunaga’s most loyal retainer) and his wife Oichi (Nobunaga’s sister).
Now, there’s a rumor that Hideyoshi had been thirsting to get Oichi a long time ago because she’s very beautiful but thanks to his horny personality and peasant background, Oichi hated him greatly. Since both Oichi and Katsuie hated him, Hideyoshi launched an invasion called the Battle of Shizugatake that ended up killing both Katsuie and Oichi in a burning castle. However, Oichi somehow made a deal with Hideyoshi beforehand to let her three children live.
These three children are Yodo-dono, Ohatsu and Oeyo.
Yodo-dono is such a special case because not only she’s the eldest daughter of Oichi, she’s also very beautiful to the point that her appearance is identical to her mother. Hideyoshi took this opportunity to groom her and make her his favorite concubine, which added more creepy elements to his already unappealing personality.
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Hideyoshi (Taiko) had been having trouble conceiving for a long time now. He failed to have a kid with his first wife, Nene, so he had to appoint his nephew Hidetsugu as an heir.
However, Yodo-dono managed to give him two sons. His first son named Tsurumatsu died very young, causing Hideyoshi’s mental health to go a downward spiral…which also contributed to his reckless decision to launch an invasion of Korea too. He had several motives for the Korean invasion: because of great ambition, to make the samurai warlords busy so that none of them have time to challenge him and to cope with the death of his son.
During the invasion, Yodo-dono somehow managed to give him a second child named Toyotomi Hideyori and unlike his brother, Hideyori was healthy. Taiko Hideyoshi was so paranoid that his nephew Hidetsugu (whom he appointed as an heir earlier) will rebel against his son Hideyori so he ordered Hidetsugu’s family and Hidetsugu himself to be executed. This action was one of the factors that led to a division within the Toyotomi clan. Some theorized that Hideyoshi was manipulated by Yodo-dono into killing his own nephew so that the nephew won’t get in a way of her son.
The division caused some of the vassals to side with Hideyoshi and Yodo-dono, while the others started seeking the alternatives who aren’t these two and it became apparent after Hideyoshi’s death.
By the “alternatives”, I meant Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga).
During the Korean campaign, Tokugawa managed to artfully maneuvering Hideyoshi into letting him keep his troops from going to Korea. Tokugawa gave an excuse that because his capital in Edo (Tokyo) was too far from Korea so he couldn’t send troops to help (which is kinda true because the port city at that time that Hideyoshi launched his army was Nagasaki and Nagasaki is closer to Shanghai than to Tokyo).
With the campaign turned disastrous and the Toyotomi clan lost so many troops in the war, by the time of Hideyoshi’s death, Tokugawa Ieyasu became the strongest warlord with the biggest, fully healthy army in Japan by default and that’s a terrifying notion for Yodo-dono and her supporters.
And things went as in the show. The council of regents couldn’t contain Tokugawa’s ambition. The country divided into two factions: The Western Army (led by Ishido/Ishida Mitsunari and Yodo-dono in the capital of Osaka) and The Eastern Army (led by Toranaga/Tokugawa Ieyasu in the capital of Tokyo). Rumors also spreaded that Hideyori wasn’t actually the Taiko’s son as well, which ruined the Western Army’s legitimacy and got people to side with the Eastern Army even more.
After the Eastern Army won the Battle of Sekigahara and established the new government of the Tokugawa shogunate in Edo, Tokugawa Ieyasu then officially became the shogun of Japan. He managed to keep peace for almost 10 years until around 1611-1614, the peace broke down.
Because Hideyori had already grown up at that time and he showed his composure during the ceremony which made Tokugawa feared that if he didn’t stop Hideyori right now, Hideyori could end up reviving the Toyotomi clan and destroying everything that Tokugawa had built so he launched an invasion against Toyotomi’s stronghold at Osaka castle.
Hideyori’s maturity and the aura from his mother Yodo-dono managed to gain support from so many disgruntled warriors across Japan to join the Toyotomi side. One of them is a great warrior named Sanada Yukimura who led the Osaka defenders to fight valiantly against the Tokugawa shogunate.
Unfortunately, Tokugawa is more experienced and more shrewd. He managed to win this battle by using cannons that William Adams (John Blackthorne) gave him, causing the Osaka castle to collapse in flames which led to the mass seppuku of Yodo-dono and her son Hideyori.
Think about it as a mix of the Red Wedding and Reyne of Castamere. Yodo-dono (Catelyn) and her son Hideyori (Robb) got killed in a brutal way, signifying the extinction of Toyotomi clan.
The Tokugawa sent their regards.
Looking back in the hindsight. Azai family is probably the most tragic family of this era and has similarity to House Stark in terms of getting brutally murdered a lot and it came from the actions of all 3 great unifiers.
The dad - Azai Nagamasa: Got killed by the first great unifier Oda Nobunaga and then got his skull turned into a sake cup
The mom - Oichi: Got killed in a burning castle by the second great unifier Toyotomi Hideyoshi
The daughter, the grandson and the great grandson - Yodo-dono, Hideyori and Hideyori’s son Kunimatsu: Got killed in a burning castle by the third great unifier Tokugawa Ieyasu.
Yodo-dono ended in a poetic way too, considering that not only her appearance was identical to her mother, she also died in the same fashion as well.
At the peak of her career, Yodo-dono was a Cersei Lannister but in the end, she’s a Catelyn Stark. Her devotion to the Toyotomi clan and especially, the Taiko, was questionable because Taiko killed her mother. It’s very likely that she’s so hellbent at protecting her son Hideyori not because he’s a Toyotomi heir, but because he’s a descendant of Azai family. She’s afraid that her father’s bloodline will be extinct with her son.
Ironically, albeit both Hideyori and his son Kunimatsu (7 year old) got murdered by Tokugawa Ieyasu, the Azai bloodline didn’t become extinct as Yodo feared, because her youngest sister Oeyo was married to Tokugawa Ieyasu’s son, Hidetada, who became the second shogun after Ieyasu and then both Hidetada and Oeyo gave birth to a son named Tokugawa Iemitsu, who eventually became the third shogun of the Edo period. In a twist of fate, the Azai clan is both being ruined by death and destruction while at the same time becoming the most prestigious family of shoguns.
@@nont18411 Thanks for the story.
Isn't there something referenced in some work of literature that happened somewhere!?
Yodo's sister Oeyo was married to Tokugawa Hidetada, the RL Toranaga's son and second Shogun.
Chacha, who Lady Ochiba is based on, was the daughter of Oichi, sister of Shogun Nobunaga. After the death of Nobunaga, Toyotomi consolidated power and conquered the castle of Shibata Katsuie, the husband of Oichi. Oichi and Tokugawa Ieyasu (Tokagawa) were good friends. Tokugawa was expected to come to the recuse but didn't. That was why Chacha never forgave Tokugawa. Subsequent to the siege of the castle of Shibata, Chacha, a teenager at the time. was taken and made to marry Toyotomi so that he could claim the bloodline of Nobunaga and be the next Shogun.
Also, Tokugawa was the most powerful damiyo at the time. In order for her son to rule Japan, Chacha needs to take out Tokugawa.
For the show comment, the Actress playing Ochiba is amazing as is the actress playing Lady Mariko (mind you both ladies are beautiful). The detail is amazing just not what would happen at the time. For instance in the 1980's series Blackthorn refers to Lady Ochiba as Queen which she was not and her role in that series was spot on as was Lady Mariko stressing unfortunately this was a man's world. I know its harsh but so is war and at that time young men died a lot for stupid reasons.
She Played so well, enjoyed every scnene with her because you never new, is she friend, or foe :)
A real story of "Otibanokata". The name uses the name of the drama "SHOUGUN".
Kuroda had a younger sister, Oichi. She is Otiba's mother and is famous for being the most beautiful woman in Japan. Taiko and Toranaga also admired Oichi when they were young.
Oichi marries Daimyo A for political reasons. She soon gave birth to three women, including Otiba.
Her husband betrays Kuroda. The castle where the Oichi family lived was soon attacked by Kuroda and set on fire.
Toranaga and Taiko do their best to save Oichi and her children.
A few years later, Kuroda is killed by Mariko's father.
Thirteen days later, Taiko kills Mariko's father.
At that time, Taiko asks Oichi to remarry.
Oichi hates Taiko, so she wants to remarry Toranaga. However, since Toranaga had a legal wife, she refused to remarry.
Oichi remarries B, another daimyo in the Kuroda family.
Taiko soon came into conflict with Daimyo B and a battle ensued.
Oichi asks Toranaga for help. She also tells Ochiba that if something happens, she should rely on Toranaga.
Toranaga wanted to rescue them, but gave up due to lack of time.
Oichi and her Ochiba residence castle are set on fire again. Oichi commits suicide together with her new husband.
Otiba and her sisters are saved. At this time, Taiko proposes marriage to Ochiha, a beautiful woman who looks just like Oichi. Their age difference is 32 years
Toranaga decides to go to war with Taiko. At first it was an even battle. However, little by little Toranaga is being pushed back.
Fortunately, a large earthquake occurs and both sides are unable to fight, and Taiko and Toranaga make peace.
Otiba begins to hate Toranaga for not helping her and disappointing her.
Ochiba decides to marry Taiko. One of her younger sisters marries Toranaga's son.
After that, just like in the drama story, She confronts Toranaga and a battle ensues.
Her residence, Osaka Castle, was attacked. A large number of British cannons purchased by Anjin were fired into the area. Osaka turns into a hellscape during the war
In the end, Osaka Castle is burnt down and she dies along with her son.
Otiba had her castle burnt down a total of three times in her life.
In Japan, she is called "the woman who was burned three times."
Nope, Ochiba-no-kata maps to Yodo-dono, not Oichi.
Toranaga loves the Heir too much. I am starting to think that the late Taiko could not make a child therefore lady Ochida and Toranaga had a secret affair to fake a child of the Taiko. So, the Heir could be Toranaga's son.
Maybe in context of the story however in history Toranaga puts Osaka Castle under siege in 1615 and both child & mother were killed.
The siege of Osoka Castle took place 15 years after Sekigahara... Tokugawa did extend his "protection" over Hideyori Toytomi when he became Shogun. It is thought the little birds where whispering in Hideyori's ear alomg wit Lady Yodo-dono ( Hideyori's mother) thus cause Hideyori to rebell.
Tokugawa was criticized by allies and advisors in the years following Sekigaha, why he didn't kill Hideyori and his mother out right after gaining power.
@jrsands in history Toranaga does not exist dude. My comment is about the fictional drama 🤙
@@cleytoncabral8616I agree with you.
Interesting thought…
Imagine in show if we see toranaga attacking to kill the little emperor boy.
Luckily, this show only takes inspiration from the history. So it won't turn out that way
All boys whose father was killed by an enemy Daimyou usually were killed off.
That was the way it was so there'll be no future revenge attack lead by grown
up boy. That's the reality of life for Samurai (warrior) class.
It was very bloody and terrible time of turmoil for all of Japan.
Lady Ochiba (my apologies on misspelling below) is palace intrigue like Katherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves, Catharine Howard and Kateryn Parr. Interesting but not the main point. It was Henry VIII leaving the Catholic Church had such a dramatic effect on history that is the focus. Lady Ochiba did have the Taiko's heir the problem is the former Taiko was not from nobility which kept the country in a state of flux (Portuguese were able to manipulate Diamyo's and get their goals accomplished). Now, Toranaga (noble birth) would become Shogun meant the Shogunate's policies were absolute and shortly after the new Shogun banned all outside interference which led to Japan's Isolation. For example, the base in Macau was an important factor in Japan losing it's grip on Korea. (Major effect)
curious why is the infamous battle of sekigahara? did something bad happen there?
It's the main battle in the show!
@@BrainPilot I mean more like why you use the word infamous instead of famous battle. So i would assume with infamous that something happened or something disgusting happened afterwards. For example as infamous battle would be when the First Crusade did the siege of Jerusalem or when siege/sacking of rome 1527.
@@ghostsdragon9222 The battle of sekigahara was the largest battle in feudal Japan and was the turning point of Ieyasu’s eventual rise to power. The Western army led by Ishida had the upper hand in the battle until Kobayakawa finally betrayed the western army. This battle would also lead to the siege of Osaka castle which would end the Toyotomi shogunate.
@@aaronlactaoen6495 sorry for not being clear but my question is more about use of the word infamous
@@ghostsdragon9222 Because the battle of Sekigahara left really terrible
aftermath with so called the river of blood its left real awful image forever
in Japanese psyche. Hence infamous not famous as ratter connotates
something positive.
To me it seems the real Tokugawa (who schemed to take power with a coup done in the name of loyalty to the dead Taiko) was much more "evil" than the real Yodo-Dono, but history is written for the victors. In the TW series so far, she seems more negative, but if you think about it, Torinaga does the same manipulative actions as in history. Remember that early on in the series, Torinaga effectively held Lady Ochiba No-Kata hostage, until he freed her upon pressure from Ishida.
Yeah it does feel like it's switched slightly in the show!
Okay, so the Taiko in Shogun is Toyotomi Hideyoshi? okay then, this answer my curiousity
yeah she's super scheming.... she was trying to get to Tokugawa first as her "own" regent, then later went to Ishida and the other 4 as Tokugawa seemed to have more claim on the Shogun title than her own son and she couldn't control him as easily... she bet on the wrong horse.
Look, I think the back stories (Lady Mariko and Lady Ichiba) are interesting but irrelevant to the time period and the book. The focus and impact Blackthorne had on disrupting the Portuguese grip and the reinstatement of the Shogunate was the real story and impact on Japan. Sorry, I know this may be harsh but unfortunately true.
Anjin's achievement was to introduce British shipbuilding technology to Japan during the Edo period.
Why would you think these important personalities in this whole saga are
not of consequences ? This is a drama based on all the intrigues at the time
and as such these 2 women's story have merits for viewers to know why they
acted the way they did. We are not just following battle after battle in making
of the story / history. This dram deals with both male and female psyches of
Japanese of the time.
The real story you wrote is fiction.
In historical fact, Anjin had nothing to do with Ieyasu's victory at the Battle of Sekigahara.
It was not during Ieyasu's time but during his grandson Iemitsu's time that Japan isolated itself by expelling the Portuguese, so it is not Anjin's achievement.
@@maemai-iq4hr
You are absolutely correct, what I am referencing is the book and the 1980's series. I know we are weaving in some minor historical points but in the book and in the 1980's series it was a man's world and even men were trapped by loyalty. In addition both book and series points out the strangle hold Portugal and Spain had on the world up until that time. Next, Lady Ochiba just wasn't that relevant, Lady Mariko was and her portrayal was absolutely different.
@@mikiohirata9627
You are absolutely correct, what I am referencing is the book and the 1980's series. I know we are weaving in some minor historical points but in the book and in the 1980's series it was a man's world and even men were trapped by loyalty. In addition both book and series points out the strangle hold Portugal and Spain had on the world up until that time. Next, Lady Ochiba just wasn't that relevant, Lady Mariko was and her portrayal was absolutely different.
The world has gone woken, women those days used to start a war.
*The series is good but has dropped the ball in some many places. One simple example is Mariko reads his ships log. Remember Mariko speaks Japanese and Portuguese. John speaks Portuguese and English as he is an English man. They speak to one another in Portuguese but we hear English for the benefit of the entire show not being subtitled. What's my point? The Ship's logs on an English ship crewed by English men would be written in ENGLISH! Mariko would not be able to read them! Yet she tells him "I read your deeds in your own words." How?*
No, the ship is Dutch and the ship's logs would be written in Dutch.