The difference between Irish and Scottish Clans (Tanistry explained)
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- A quick video explaining the difference between Irish and Scottish clan succession laws, this subject does have multiple layers to it and this is merely a brief introduction to it almost a beginners guide, just not as well laid out, This was only my second video so i apolgise for most of it but i never expected this to reach the level it has, i will do a video breaking the subject down further.
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I'm trying to learn about my Irish heritage. My grand mother came from county cork, wish I knew what town. There's several towns in a county. Her maiden name was Linehan
@@joegrande4848 Actually if you were born in America, you would be of American heritage, not Irish, ancestry isn't technically heritage because heritage is something you gain either from your birth, or something that is bestowed upon you once a certain age is reached.
'Heritage' is an etymological cognate of 'Inherit' and 'Inheritance', which just means what you 'Inherit', like your American native nationality and US citizenship, as well as your Yank Doodle ethnicity (cultural upbringing) which is ultimately inherited from your American nationality.
This was a question I've always had but looking it up made no sense. This was very well explained
Thank you very much.
I imagine wars between Clans were small,initially...more likened to a Rugby match with great big axes n Spears,he he
Not really in the Highlands wars were very much a last last resort, feuds were generally handled by one on one combat either by the individuals or by a member of the warrior group.
These duels were also never to the death but to first blood.
@@fearnpol4938 ..yes,thanks ,I'm getting into Scottish history a lot these days...finding it very interesting
Yet,I wonder what would happen in the "Scrum",lol
@@fearnpol4938 I believe the call it gypsy fighting these day they have videos on here
Shinty with blades
You have totally made that comprehendible more so than I've ever heard
Interesting.. my family is like a clan, just not from Ireland or Scotland..
But Switzerland with various branches ask coming from a common ancestor or ancestral area in St Gallen..
I do hope to branch out and cover some families around the world eventually, there are some amazing family histories to be told all over the world.
My friend is from the Gallen clan and he's irish
We all come from common ancestry going far enough back. It’s no wonder there are so many similarities between the nordics and the celts for instance
@@basednorsegael1089 Something tells me, we didn't come from Lucy.
@@tomasomaonaigh7659 I concur. We came from Adam and Eve. If you want some good content to watch, check out the CZcams channel TruthVids - he has a great series called 100 proofs the Israelites were white.
Heeeeello! Finally got round to subscribing yippee, brill video & very informative! Loving learning about clan and family history 🙂 keep up the brill work!! Hope you and the family had a fab Christmas, Steve says howdy & hopes to catch up over the counter soon hehe 😁
Thank you very much! And hi Steve 😀, We had an amazing christmas, I hope you did to, i will see you soon 🙂
A video on how this system started and developed over time (along with some interesting highligts along the way) would be great!
The Irish system is complicated as bloody hell.
So what I’ve got from it is that I’m an indfine of the Mac an Tánaiste clan unless they perhaps are part of another clan? I’m not too sure but it’s definitely something I’m gonna keep reading up on.
@@harrypmay you do know what Tánaiste means ? Im not referring to the title now used by the head of government. As an irish word the meaning can often depend on the context. Mac is son so harry Mac an Tánaiste is "Harry son of the heir" in my unprofessional opinion. Based on what I just heard and if I understood it correctly that changes should your father pass before your grandfather(the leader) and you would be the nephew of the heir. I hope you have pleasurably and successful journey on this exploration.
Yep, I’m Scots and it baffled the heck out of me!
@@Finderskeepers. mac means cheeseburger from macdonald 🍔 🧀 🤣 🤣 🤣 my favourite history in the English colonised celtic lands is the jacobite rebellion, celts being crushed by the English during the battle, and the ensuing Highland purges where Scottish clans were systematically massacred, their culture destroyed, even the traditional attire made illegal for centuries, and their languages relegated to obscurity being forced to adopt the English language of their new masters, another favorite of mine is the Irish potato famine 🥔 🍠 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 we all know what happened to your wee Irish people during this human engineered famine carried out by the English masters and colonisers of celfic Irish gaels 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505 well you don't know your history.
The Jacobites were a minority of Celts in Scotland. Most folk backed the Union, the Protestant imported king and parliamentary rule.
At least check wiki before making a clown of yourself as well as a racist.
I’m descended from Highland-clans on both sides, MacDonald, Stewart, Clan Donnachaidh, and a lowland clan, Scott. These ancestors were cleared between 1750 after Culloden up till 1914.
Keep up the good stuff dude, I haven’t seen anyone else really doing what your doing and I’m glad I’ve found your page.
Thank you!, I really appreciate the comment.
@@Clans_Dynasties no problem dude, do you think you would ever consider making a discord for the channel?
I have only recently started thinking about it, i never imagined that id ever have more than a few subscribers, but as i seem to be getting requests and questions more and more ive been thinking it may be the way to go.
@@Clans_Dynasties I would agree
As a vegetarian Campbell, I've never liked McDonalds.
But bet you liked soup
Lmao
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I’m same as you pal
My clan, the clan McCheese, have a long standing war with clan MC Flurry.
Great video, very well explained.
Amazing work there, really well explained!
Love my Scottish cousins 🏴 from Ireland 🇮🇪💚
Love you too 🍀 x
I'm willing to bet that's a wee bit weebly wobbly in discussion
Would that be the same scottish cousins who invaded your country, and turfed you out onto the streets?
@Rory Mann Plenty recent studies suggesting Scotland has strong DNA links to Ireland.
@@JaEDLanc why does it annoy you so much that the Scottish and Irish get on? Is it some sort of interbred colonial divide and conquer mechanism that just hates the thought of everyone else getting along. Must be so hard being born with a fragile ego
Done the research on my father's side of the family. My grandmother's family was dutch and my grandfather's was Scots-irish, from the clan sempill of renfrewshire Scotland, then castlefin, county Donegal Ireland and later to America 1730. Came here to watch this video to understand clans. It's all so humbling in the grand scheme of things
There is no such thing as 'Scots-Irish', this is a made up Americanism that doesn't exist anywhere in either the Kingdom of Scotland or the EU province of Rep.Ireland. The whole clan phenomenon isn't really an Irish thing either, in fact it isn't even a Scottish national thing either as it was historically a Norse thing. Most of the actual Scots lived in the East Coast in fact than the West.
Most Americans who had ancestors from the UK were actually Border reavers who were neither Scottish nor English, they didn't consider themselves either nationality, they identified with clan names more than they did with nationalities/ethnicities, much like their modern day distant mixed descended Yankee fake plastic paddies and American styro fake Scots from America do today who don't like to think of themselves as American either, even though their immediate and most related ancestors were Yankee cowboy outlaws and cattle rustlers etc and their people - Yanks, are a distinct northern American tribe of people that have been around since as early as 1492, the medieval age.
Meaning that most modern Americans, as well as being largely the most mixed people on earth today and being American by native nationality and American by ethnicity, are actually descended from stateless criminals who weren't considered Scottish or even English back then and infact were even actually old enemies of both the Scottish and the English and would actually even attack both Scots and English crossing the borderlands adjacent to the Debatable lands that neither the Kingdoms of Scotland or England had jurisdiction over.
As such, the debatable lands was rife with crime such as arson, murder and robbery etc, they were eventually gotten rid of and conquered by the Kingdom of Scotland when James VI of Scots took over the English throne in 1603, giving him complete control over both sides of the Reiver populated Debatable adjacent lands which were in the middle in between both the Kingdoms of Scotland and England, and were first either executed for serious crimes or deported as stateless criminals to Ulster in Northern Ireland.
But this managed to work out that way because under James VI of Scots, he now had jurisdiction in Ireland also because Ireland had been a part of the Kingdom of England since the Laudibiliter Papal Bull was arranged between Pope Adrian IV and Henry II of England which was after Dermod MacMurrough - the Hiberni (Irish) King of Leinster asked for English help in getting his lands back from other rival petty Hiberni/Irish Kingdoms, and Henry II lent him English troops which solidified English intervention there in the South of Ireland amongst the Hiberni (the real Irish of that time) to initially keep the peace. So when James VI of Scots took the English throne as well, this gave him power over Ireland as well as England, because Ireland was a Papal possession under the Kingdom of England.
My Grandfather was born in Clonmany Donegal in 1882. A Michael Doherty.
@@RR-pe5or there is no kingdom of Scotland to be honest there ran completely from old English torys. Scotland haven't even been a state since 1707 its essentially ran by unelected englishmen while most of ireland is independent (it all should have been independent because of the 1918 election) which the brits met with violence
Ireland was colonised and subjected to brutal british rule for centuries and relegated as second class citizens in there own country by unelected old men in Britain
They held an election where 76% of the population voted for independence in 1918 and where still not granted independence and Britain backed the loyalist minority (who were maybe 20%) with guns weapons and so on
So the irish people had a right to fight for there independence by any means necessary because they had a democratic mandate by the irish people and were not granted there democratic rights which over 76% voted for in a democratic election that's it!!!!
@@eileenmacdougall8945 Doherty is a very common name in Donegal and Derry.
The clan system in Ireland clearly predates the Norse invasion as does Brehon Law. The Annals of Ulster record indisputable proof of both predating any Viking influence in Ireland. Therefore the clan system in Ireland is undoubtedly Gaelic in origin and, as a result, the Scottic clan system in Scotland will also be predominantly Gaelic in origin as the Gaelic colonisation of Scotland also predates any Norse influence. @@RR-pe5or
I have some Irish friends and I’m Scottish and we learn about history like this from our school, I want to be able to understanding and learn from this
I like the Irish , I like the Scottish too . If any Scottish women read this ! Get at me .🤣💀
That was really interesting and well explained. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Thank you so much, i see your names Kinsella now thats a good royal name.
@@Clans_Dynasties Sure. Ui Ceinnselaig is a very ancient royal name going back to the 5th century I think. I have it tattooed on my arm. I was thinking about changing my anglicised spelling back to the Irish but I travel a lot and live abroad mostly and the even the anglicised spelling causes enough problems already 🤣
Very well done with clarity of description. Slainte !
Thank you very much, Slainte agatsa.
Thank you for the '3 Fish Salute' during the intro.. 😉... Rock, rock on!...
Cheers for this, from a fairly distant kin... Funny how it sorta plays out over here in Canada through; the 'hierarchy' of our 'clan' puts my paternal Grandmother's side (Horrigan) as close, or closer, than my Grandfather's (Roche)... And damned if there aren't a ton of both of 'em... 😆...
Aye. I’m born and bred in Edinburgh. 57 years young. And love it to the high kingdom when All Ireland come play rugby at Murrayfield what an atmosphere. Fantastic. Must say my great grandfather came from city of Ross Common.
What city?
@@ArchangelAva I guess he means the county or town called Roscommon. The town just about has a clock in the square so city is a bit of a stretch.
@@mikeOnTheChoob yeah you could never accuse Roscommon of being a city
Those rugby crowd are mostly defendants of the Anglo Irish classes ,probably related to a German count more than an o Brian chieftain
NICE!!!!! YOU HAVE MY FAMILY CREST ON THE BEGINNING!!!! AWESOME!!!!
Brilliant, Sgoinneil! We're the Clanns of O'Brien,Kelly and O'Cahalan who seem to be central around Loch Derg. Thank you.
Thank you!! You are correct the kingdom of Ui Maine was ruled by the O'Kellys (1 of 7 clans of kelly) they have a long tradition of working against and with the O'Briens, im unaware of the O'Cahalans of lough derg are they related to the Rosscommon branch or Munster/limerick branch?
I am half irish half scottish, i am a Maskell of the clan Keith of scotland, my irish side is O'Brien.
Fully gay though
Keith is one of my Scottish clans. My Irish clan is Keough. I'm American with 65% British & Irish ancestry; furthermore, through my research I've found my ancestors come from England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.
@@TheSeanpatrickobrien this coming from the guy who gets touched by his "daddy". Just cause what you do with a priest behind close doors doesn't mean you should call onto others for your own problems, btw i am straight.
@Leon Russell savage
I'm Irish 🇮🇪 , Welsh 🏴 and Puerto Rican 🇵🇷
I’m a Scots born ,Irish and Norse lineage offspring of the Gallowglass MacPhaidin (McFadden) of Mull who settled in Donegal after the First Wars of Scottish Independence and latterly the Norman Invasion of Ireland at the behest of the O’Neill
I have never come across the MaPahains, could you send me a link id love to learn about them, im also most likely descended from Gallowglass.
@@Clans_Dynasties It was a typo sorry MacPhaidin which subsequently became McFadden in Ireland .There is a lot of confusion as regards the name McFadden which I think is mostly due in part to the fact Historians in Scotland don’t tend to go back far enough on Mull In regard the McLeans who were granted the land post Wars of Independence.
The old History is written by the victors applied here I should imagine.
The McFaddens were politically aligned to the McDougal clan and were subsequently on the wrong side of the argument of who had the claim to the throne.
As a result of losing the claim our Clan were stripped of their Land and found themselves homeless for a period but being Gallowglass soon found a new home in Ireland.
My family returned to Scotland after the famine and found a new home on an island less than 70 miles from Mull.
We always assumed we were Irish but it turns out it was a wee bit more complicated than that.
Ah i see, that makes more sense, well i know that the McFaden (McFadden) surname has historical links to Tiree and Islay, recently backed up with DNA results, i will have to have a look at greater detail at this for you, i have the name on my list of families to do, il bump it up a few since technically you did enquire a while back but the typo stalled it.
@@Clans_Dynasties As far as I am aware the Clan Seat was a Castle on Mull but that they also controlled Coll and Tiree as part of their lands.
Very informative and enjoyable! Slainte!
Liked the video mate, Love from clan Mackintosh 💙
Love from Clan Uí Fáilghe 💚
This is great, learning about my family history
Great work! Keep it up.
Thank you!!
Fascinating video
I just no discovered this video, but I love it. 48% of my ancestry actually comes from both Ireland and Scotland, so it is always a treat to learn more.
Same , though found Im decended from Clan Shaw , Clan Campbell, Clan Buchanun / Richardson , no wonder I love the pipes. So very Scott.
@@offwiththefairiesforever2373 That's amazing actually. I found out I'm from Clan MacDonald and that my last name McDonald is just a variation of the name.
This is cool. I'm Clan Donnachaidh and in a group Called United Scottish Clans of Oklahoma and we put on the Scottish Festival here in Oklahoma City. If you are ever in Oklahoma would love to have you come to a meeting. We have many members from Scotland.
Wow thank you for the invite, I would love too, i will be sure to stop in if i get the chance to come to the States again (fingers crossed), When i cover Clan Donnachaidh i would be more than happy to give the USCO a mention if you like.
@@Clans_Dynasties That sounds great. The State of Oklahoma has its own official State Tartan which is on the Scotland registry of Tartans. We also put on Burns Night as well.
@@elskeletor3566 sounds like fun
WOW, I never knew this. I left OKC in 2015. Is there a date set for the next gathering?
@@earlofmar7987 Yes! Oct 16th through the 17th. Just look up United Scottish Clans of Oklahoma on Facebook.
Good video, well explained.
Thanks for this - it's so interesting!!
"Son (descendent) of Alba" would be _Mac Albainn_ anglicised as 'McAlpin'.
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Anglicised would be MacAlpin meaning son of or direct descendant,
McAlpin would be if you married into the clan and became one of many 'sons' Mhic.
The difference between Mac and Mc,
At least that's what my Gaelic speaking family from Skye and Rassaay told me.
Edit, it came from a time when a strong warrior from a lesser clan would take the name of the woman from a stronger clan.
@@RighAlban ..and form another Clan?
@@jangowan5742 an offshoot so to speak, I'm not an authority on the subject, I'm just parroting what I was told.
This is the story the Clan Chiefs sell.
It was feudalism. Lords and peasants. People weren't all related and did change clan to get work.
You sound like a Brit
@@JohnDoe-vz7bn Isn´t it tiring to hear these stories of scotish resistance and english opression over and over again about battles in times when no one gave a damn about england and scotland and which where just fought between feuding noble families?
@@mk.5706 I like hearing about it, I have some English and Irish ancestry, some Scot, too, I've been told. I actually agree with the assessment you get tired of hearing. It's history, can't change it. It may not be entirely accurate, but it is the predominant thought. Most likely true enough to be correct in summation.
@@mk.5706 no. Back in the day when I did school history we largely did English history so I missed a lot and we got zero about Ireland except the famine
Clansmen and women got replaced by sheep so get off my land
Nice one mate!
Its striking to me that this clan system functions nearly identical to how early ancient humans organized. Like an upscaled version of a modern military company of 200 to 250 men.
If you wanna see clan systems in action today, check out Somali clans, these are more ancient than irish or Scottish clans, and are strictly based on paternal descent, we also have Xeer (anglicised as Heer law of Somalis), a customary legal system that is based on social insurance for all lineages of the clans
It's my humble opinion that Clan Cambell was responsible for the anarchy in that particular part of the Country .Hence the term .NEVER ! EVER TRUST A CAMBELL.
@@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505 n
@@firpark4864 ? Whats n ?
@@firpark4864 after Glencoe, who would?
Thank you for a very erudite explanation of this rather complex subject. For me it particularly cleared up the Irish system, which has long been murky in my knowledge base.
I'm a African American male with a very high amount of Scottish DNA and a Y European chromosome which took me by surprise! My ancestry can be traced to the Irvine family of Madison County, Kentucky... and before that to Bucks County, Pennsylvania and to Rockingham County, Virginia.
Y chromosome? You're male, isn't that a normal thing to have?
@@kawaiilotus lol, I just edited my statement... I should have included Y "European" chromosome.
Excellent video.
excellent work
Cheers ....thanks for doing the research....really interesting.....
Fascinating. I've been told I have Irish heritage, and then perhaps it's really Scottish. I don't know. I know at least one must be true though, because my mother named me Shaun, mistakenly believing that was the Irish speling; and I love whiskey and beer! Americans are often lost regarding heritage... :)
The biggest issue I find with Americans remembering their heritage is the fact that Britain founded America all the minorities just look at us is white they don't care what we are English Scottish Irish French Spanish German Norwegian or any of that how I have people get mad at me when I talk about my great-grandmother who is native with how white I am
@@Rozzielle Native Americans "founded" America. The imbred false Royals of England destroyed it. Also, Elvis Presley was part Cherokee.
Stop the English hate and look into the history. Its never that black and white.
@@UkSapyy It's black and white, tard.
This helped me explain to my wife. Thank you.
Great upload bro, I'm a Swinton on my Scottish side and McDowell on my Irish. I found this very interesting so tar muchly.
Thank you again, Both these names have been on my todo list for a little while so i will hopefully get round to them soon.
Your right they were . They moved at some stage. My great granny was from NI .
Recently found out im mostly Celtic. Mostly Scottish as well. Ewing Clan, or the Gaelic Eóghain, derived from the MacEwans. This was interesting!
Celtic isn't an ethnicity though.
@@Page-Hendryx ya it is and isnt
@@Page-Hendryx A celt is any person who thinks him or herself a celt.
And hates the English and/or Rome.
@@themanhimself1229 Uh, no. By the way, one has numerous lineages that he / she descends from. It's funny how people cherry-pick.
@@Page-Hendryx Yes
Great video, just subbed. Could you do a video on Mackinnon clan? They have a lot of interesting Norwegian influence and are part of the Siol Alpin
Thank you for the support, i have a couple of irish clan and clan battle videos im finishing now, hopefully start on the scottish clans soon including MacKinnon allies the MacDonalds and the battle of culloden which the Mackinnons played a pivotal role.
@@Clans_Dynasties thanks so much! I’ll make sure to check out those upcoming videos. I had no idea that such a tiny clan like the Mackinnons were important at Culloden!
Your clan history states your Chief personally helped Bonnie Prince Charlie escape to France amongst other things, i look forward to showing you the journey of your clan, Also as you are first comment and for helping my little channel grow keep an eye out for a little personal easter egg on the Culloden video.
@@Clans_Dynasties I will! Thank you so much! I’ll make sure to get the word out to some friends :)
@@Clans_Dynasties also it will take you a while to grow but keep going. There aren’t enough channels on Scottish and Irish history out there!
Very interesting!
Great video.subscribed
Thank you, i appreciate the support.
Is it possible that non family loyalist took on the clan surname in other parts of the world too?
Probably
Idk about loyalists, but you'll often meet black Americans with Scottish last names because of slavery
@@peterconnaghan2872 you can find slaves with Irish and welsh surnames aswell
Glad I came across this video, as I have ancestry in both countries (though the roots are stronger in Ireland than Scotland).
Sounds like a good mix to me 💪
I do too
I have Ancestry that were in Scotland first and then moved Ireland. Blair Clan!
@@patriciawatts3169 Clan O'Byrne for me on the Irish side.
@@JeffOfTheMountains Blairs left for Ireland after the Scottish clans were being banned by Britain.
Thank you. Very informative. Peace
Great stuff!
Would love to see one on the Donnelly's
Thanks!
I have added them to my todo list, i hope to do all Irish and Scottish clans/families as well as some major Welsh and English families that had big impacts in Ireland and Scotland.
@@Clans_Dynasties Awesome thanks so much! Also Niall of the nine hostages would be a great one! Cheers!
I love the music, especially the song in the beginning. Could I get a name of the song/band?
Thank you, i bought the Intro and backround music it was created for me by a composer, a link to his Fiverr account is in the description.
same here
Very good interesting piece, well done 👏 if you get a chance would be good to hear about the O’Donoghue’s and O’Sullivans of Kerry
Thank you so much, i will be doing the O'Sullivans soon, They're one of my favourite clans they have such a sad history such as the Dursey massacre.
Stable video 👍
The Norse frequently paid visits to Ireland and Scotland. They left their seed amongst the local population.
Scotland is awash with Scandinavian DNA.
Thats me Sinclair haha
Yup
My Ancestors Were Present At The Battle Of Clontarf They Drove The Evil Vikings Into The Sea.💚
Thanks for posting, after an American tourist "bought the rights to be identified as chief of my clan" from the armourers hall in 1982, I had always felt a great sense of injustice, my father taught me many bits of family history, our war cry in archaic Irish, (totally different from anything written or published) the family seat of our line etc, We were Brian Boru's champion swordsmen.
It's a relief to see the true brehon laws laid out, even if they are a bit confusing at first! Eile-Au'Cearbhill, of the black tower!
Thank you, its nice that your family has still kept those traditions alive and passing along your history, it would be nice if we could reinstate some of these traditions and law within our clan revival projects.
The day some yank tourist informs me he my chief, that’s the day I’ll kick the living shit out of a yank tourist.
@@Dreyno kinda how I feel, it all began when the yank saw our family Crest in the genealogical museum (ironically it was donated from my late grandfathers estate when his house was broken up, certain antiques and important historical bits went to various museums throughout Ireland) well this American approached the armourer and purchased the "right" to be identified as chief of the name! I guess I can accept it if that is just a modern technical title, but it's galling to think he may have actually thought that a couple of £££ punts made him an actual "cheif" or indeed that the armourer (some random person) had any authority in my household to distribute "titles" without our permission!
On the other hand, if the yanks keep it in perspective, and it brings people happiness and community (as long as they don't too deeply indulge any delusions of grandeur) then I'm happy for them! I think the original yank has now passed on to a son or grandson who styles himself "prince"! Whatever.
@@Ben-Downlow. I wouldn’t indulge them. Not for a second.
@Charlton Thats a very noble postion to have with regards to putting you clan and community first over what is potentially your birthright.
Very interesting, love these explanations. I'm new here & must say you have a lovely accent!! Anything on the Welsh one day? I wouldn't know, but believe they came about later on? Kinda confused by that country and how it fits between Scottish & Irish culture. I've heard it's more liked to Irish but that doesn't make sense in my wee brain...did they even have clans?!
This is great
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In addition, I note that Georgians, like Corsicans, Picts, Etruscans, Spanish Iberians and other peoples belong to the Iberian race, the Iberian peoples of Europe and have a kinship etno relationship to Celts through those peoples who have both Iberian and Celtic ethno origin, these last, such peoples live in a certain part of Spain, Britain, Scotland and so on., and there is also a historical opinion that a certain part of the Celts was also mixed with the West Georgian ethnic peoples in their time. From all that has been said, Georgians also have an ethno-cultural attitude towards the Celts in a certain way, which also manifests itself in certain Georgian folk songs, melodies, in dances, for example, the dance "Khorumi" and so on, also proven by archaeological / cultural data. There are also 3 Iberia, Spanish Iberia, Georgian Iberia and Irish Iberia, etc. It is through these mentioned factors that Georgians also have an ethnically related relationship with the Celts.
Sincerely, Alex.
Thank you for that amazing read, 8 have to admit im a fan of Armenian and Georgian familys such as the famous Bagrationi and the Artsruni, i would have loved to cover there history on this channel, i feel that might be a long way off, if ever. Thank you again though.
@@Clans_Dynasties Thank you very much for your interest, also about the Georgian royal dynasty Bagration, just in case, I note that Georgian Bagrations, the Georgian royal dynasty of Bagration, originate from one of the most ancient regions of Georgia - Speri. Based on Georgian historical written sources in Georgian historiography, it is assumed that this family was headed by a feudal bivitrimen family. Everything else is absolutely groundless speculation and legends, artificially created some false ideas of the time, including the false idea that the Bagrations are descendants of the biblical character of David, the Jewish royal dynasty. These invented, historical absolute false ideas, legends, were accepted by representatives of the royal Bagrationi dynasty, because of ideological considerations in those times, that because of their connection with the biblical king David, to prove their divine origin amongst the people and so on and so forth. This was often in vogue, starting before B.C times Pro-Christian times, then the royal rulers of one kingdom or of an empire were descendants of a solar deity, and later descendants of a solar deity turned into descendants of a divine dynasty of the biblical king David and so on and so forth similar invented false notions. It’s just still not makes sense, why all these fictitious ideas were necessary for some representatives of Bagration, when Georgia itself and the Georgian people had such an ancient and self-sufficient Colkhian / Iberian / European culture and the history of the ancient Georgian royal dynasties. At some point here sucsome members of Bagrationi lost their connection with the history of their own country and people. But at the same time, of course, we remember the great representatives of the Georgian Bagrations, like King Bagrati the third, David the fourth "Builder", Queen Tamara and others.
@@Clans_Dynasties For example, during the time of Queen Tamara, in addition to everything, well-known Georgian figures/ feudal lords already demanded a constitutional, monarchical-parliamentary structure Kingdom of Georgia. From King David the "Builder" to King Lasha-Giorgi (the son of Queen Tamara) there was a "golden age" for Georgians, Georgia, besides this, in Georgia also during these times the Renaissance developed and so on, as it happened in other European countries, but after this historical period, unfortunately Georgia was not lucky, at the beginning of the invasion of the Mongol Empire, and then, after the fall of the Eastern Roman / Byzantine Empire (which also represented a geopolitical catastrophe for Georgians, Georgia) invasions from the west of the Ottoman Empire, and from the east of the Persian Empire, also there was no single royal rule in Georgia and so on in those dark, tragic historical periods.
Sincerely, Alex
@@Clans_Dynasties I also subscribed your channel, and wish to you all the best...
@@Clans_Dynasties In addition, just in case, one more thing and that's it, here are some examples of Georgian music, songs, folklore, for comparison ...
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Sincerely, Alex
You know this kind of makes me wonder if England would of had a clan system and how it would operate if we wasn't conquered by Anglo Saxons and romans before that.
The Welsh were hybrid Romano-British and followed a system of tannistry
Excellent explanation. I thought that land was distributed through kinship - I think a widow lost her claim on the land, but her male children could claim land?
Keep the videos coming!! Love it
Ah that explains "The standard bearer" title in Ireland I was always curious about that. Allegedly I'm descended from Cathair Mor, but how they know that is beyond me.
Il go more into hereditary titles very soon, As for your descent, Irish genealogy was very important in irish culture, oral tradition and descent was passed on from generation to generation by elders, poets amongst others and then eventually recorded by monks and clan scribes.
Big city? You’re a descendent of big city?
Did the Scottish Clan system come from the pictish ways I wonder.
Hi, the "Clans" system has and still is all over the world im every culture, although the term Clan(n) is Gaelic, There are arguments that the Picts were matrilineal and this changed as irish tribes migrated into scotland, again this part of the argument is hotly debated in historical circles, so to anwer your question the Scottish clan system seems to be a hybrid of Irish and Picts systems, i will do a video diving so much deeper soon.
@@Clans_Dynasties Ah thanks. I suppose that makes the most sense, with the impact the Dál Ríata had on Scotland.
Wouldn't have thought so. The people we call the Scottish were originally from Ireland. They invaded sometime after the Romans left.
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The Picts merged with the Gaels.
Many carvings throughout Scotland have both Pictish and Celtic artwork side by side.
The Indian and Pakistani version is tribes
Very informing. Thanks. If you could enlighten us about the Gallowglass it would be greatly appreciated.
patrick Lucey He has already
Greatly appreciated this channel. Anything on the O Connell clan
Thank you!! I have a video for them in my to do list, They have been requested a few times so i will try to push them up a little
@@Clans_Dynasties thanks very much for your reply. Wishing you all the best for your channel
The Irish and Scottish, we're family. My family are Ulster-Scots Catholics and Scottish Catholics🇮🇪☦❤✝🏴
A Christian profile picture? Are you a Christian? Where are you from?
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I think I seen my family coat of arms (Crest?) there. Where can you get information like that on old Irish clans?
To call them family coats of arms is a misnomer, Coats or arms were made for individuals and not inherited by the entire clan, Although i use them to help distinguish clans and familes as most people now associate certain coats of arms with a family, There is very little accurate information on what symbols clans would have flown on their banners although that doesnt mean we have no information, im yet to find a centralised source, i will endeavour to find them for each clan video i do.
I thoroughly enjoyed that, thank you 👍
The O Cahans clan was nowhere in the intro and its one of the most prominant clans in all of Derry.
Thank you for watching, The intro was randomised from a collection of Coat of arms that i had, i am currently saving to have the intro made professionally, i will be including as many of my subscribers arms as i can, i havent figured out yet how they will be picked, just know im working on it.
@@Clans_Dynasties Bless.
Fat robbie fowler lol
They didn't know what a lion looked like when they designed those crests. Hilarious!
Everyone knows that lions walk on their hind legs, silly.
They all knew about lions man. The reason according to MMA in nyc , art depicts strength in many forms aka a lion and standing up tall and proud like a bear in some schools on their mascots etc a sign of strength when an animal stands tall or person. What makes it art the message of how it was drawn.
@@gypsygirl731 what i stated is just a fact. Don't worry about it anymore
I am looking for information on the Mcglory surname, but I can't find much online. Can anyone help?
Hello AL you want to be searching O' Labhradha or lowry and lavery as your name is a corruption of that name.
@@Clans_Dynasties Thank you! I will try that!
I found out I’m part Scottish and I’ve been researching my family tree to find it. So far I’ve found Scottish blood from my maternal grandmother’s bloodline, and it gets fuzzy and complicated as I go further up the branches. So I’m wondering if I’m Scottish enough to claim a tartan or something like that, and if I can claim one, which one? Can someone with knowledge on that subject help me? Thanks
I’ve never heard of anyone claiming a tartan before
Shout out to my distant cousins in the McCormacks
And I thought quantum physics was complicated ...
Yeaa i thought so as well 😁🍀
Nah, just the old age pension scheme. This way Granddad was sure he was looked after
How do clans split into branches?
This was really good. How was this affected during the time the Vikings were in control for a couple of hundred years? I was wondering if this system may have been disrupted as the various clan leaders were closely allied and intermarrying with the Vikings. Whose system prevailed during that time? Or was all of this just after the Vikings?
Vikings controlled a small selection of isles. Not on mainland.
I am from India, from a state called "Arunachal Pradesh". My tribe's name is "Apatani" and my name is Riicho Tilling Bamin, which can basically mean Riicho of the clan Tilling from the village of Bamin (my village's name is Bamin Michi).
Basically, everyone from the Tilling clan from the village of Bamin is my family (I cannot any Tilling woman). This is how clans works over my side of the world.
Where is the Clan of: MacAdder?!
They changed their name to Atkiens and got in to comedy the most famous of them was called Roan
@Walter Funny thing is Blackadder is a Scottish surname.
@@Clans_Dynasties didn't know that. Thx
@@Minime163 lol
@@Clans_Dynasties didn't know that🙂
I thought it was pretty cool to stumble upon my family crest as the first in the video, and how it was placed properly in Co. Antrim. Have you done a comprehensive video on the Downey/O'Downey (definitely more spelling variations) Clan?
I havent done a O'Downey video yeat but i will, my hope is to do a video on every Family/Clan of Ireland and Scotland.
@@Clans_Dynasties thanks, my friend. Crazy to see the similarities in the O'Brien and O'Downey crests.
Well there is a limerick branch of the family i cant remember of the top of my head if they are a Dal gCais clan but its not improbable, although saying that the coat of arms for alot of the families in Ireland are a fairly modern addition and often assigned to multiple similar surnames of different origins, its still great to see them, i still like coming across mine whenever i do.
So they only choose between the first two kin groups for leadership ?
The biggest difference is, the Irish are better at rugby.
Of course we are 🇮🇪😁
The right balance between drinking and fighting)
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Thank you!!
The difference between scottish and irish clans is a thirty kilometre gap divided by irish sea.
nailed it, job done.
yup the Scots originally from Ireland
The Roman for Irish was scoti, Scotland was land of the Irish. Mac is old Irish for son or son of .
The Original Irish came from Africa.
@@ralph3428 Celts are like the Romans and Greeks... Scythians.
I'm English, and listening to this makes me think
"what the fuck are you doing grandad!"
When I see what's been lost for you guys 😟
they did enough of it too.
@@CIMAmotor they ? it's not good enough mr McMullan. do you know history, at all ? mickey mouse answers, from "nibblers". the "they" in question was propped up by the "Mack's. selective blox, on ya way mush.
@@blackbob3358 I wonder if you would say 'on ya way mush' if you were stood next to me in a pub.
Woooow you sure got him, when in doubt just threaten violence eh
@@ender2006 I'm not threatening violence, I'm demonstrating the difference in etiquette between real life and the poxy internet.
Long live clan Hall!!! I have made sure that it will!
Have started to do research into the "MCGOVERN" CLAN IN IRELAND... and pretty interesting history.
Wow. That is confusing. I can see why you would have lots of war.
What if your clan was once an Irish clan that later became a Scottish clan, as I come from the clan of Fergus that now has the common last name of Ferguson.
Are chieftains the same as earls in the sense that they own land or are chieftains just figure heads? Do chieftains collect rents and tariffs the same way earls and lords do ?
Love seeing the McNamara coat of arms.
The only way I’d support a united ireland is if Scotland would join it and form a Gaelic nation. Fixing the wrongs of the past and re uniting age old bonds
that would be very beneficial for both countries, but it wont happen for many reasons
As a Somali Cushite with even more clans based on strict paternal lineage than Scots and Irish people, I'm disappointed that the gaelic and Welsh people were so weak as to be conquered repetitively and constantly by the English immigrants
@@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505 you clearly dont know any of the history then
@@tractorbois5743 I do, and sadly, its appealing, how the angles and saxons as immigrants uprooted the native gaelic people, pushing you out of modern England and even invading and conquering you, Ireland was directly under the English for nearly 1000 years or even longer, Scotland briefly gained their independence but only after centuries of English rule
To this day why is Irish territory part of thr UK? Didn't Ireland itself only get independence recently, pathetic
Also, wasnt the Irish potato famine deliberately caused due to the English hoarding all the produce ? How many died due to this ? What about the Highland persecution of Scottish clans to force them to forget their language and culture ? Its sad how most Scottish, and all Irish, today, speak English as their only language
Wow, imagine after more than 1000 years of oppression, adopting the language of your oppressors, you guys are like the congoid people of Europe
You seem to be missing alot of information between the Anglo-Norman inavsion and the 850 years after it, Many of the topics you are mentioning here will be discussed at great length, i welcome debates but please respect peoples cultures and history as im sure you would like the same respect shown.
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I’m Scottish and will always identify as British
@@sampaterson7608 what does that have to do with it I never said anything about Britain did I
It's soo cool my family crest is on here
any bugger from clan Cameron?