Clan Coats of Arms Are They Allowed?
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Putting some evidence forward on why clan or family coat of arms could possibly exist.
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0:00 - intro
0:33 - end intro
1:43 - History and Meaning
2:53 - The ability to create your own arms even as a non noble existed
3:38 - Proto heraldry can be found in every country
5:13 - Evidence exists that familys would use the same symbols and eventually arms
5:50 - Not all countries adopted a strict code of law to heraldry
6:56 - Irish Nobles were not given titles but were given arms when the clan system existed
9:57 - Debate Continues
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Citations and images taken from:
Sources
Descriptions of Some Irish Seals
E. C. R. Armstrong
THE COAT OF ARMS ,The journal of the Heraldry Society ,
Third series Volume XI I 2016 Part 2
The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales: By Bernard Burke
Heraldry in Ireland
National library of ireland.
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www.google.com/amp/s/irishhis...
www.clansofireland.ie/baile/wh...
leitrim-roscommon.com/heraldr...
www.odohertyheritage.org/hera...
burkeseastgalway.com/introduct...
Some Further Medieval Seals out of the Ormond Archives by E Curtis
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Good to see you back
Thank you very much, Great to be back, Ive been working on a few things to improve the videos which will hopefully make their way into the videos soon.
I'm a conflicted man. My dad's side is low tier Scottish and simple Irish farming family. Stayed in Scotland (his dad's side) then moved to Canada on their own accord same with his mom's Irish side. My mom's side however has a more unintentional sinister side being an Ulster Scot background. My 5th great grandfather James Fleming was the first white settler in Elgin County Ontario Canada. The only reason he was able to do that was because of the money and connection to his ancestors. He was a direct descendant of the Fleming Lords that were placed in Londonderry Ireland by the British after they ousted the poor native Irish family who governed the area long before! Bleechgreen to be exact. I wish I knew more. All I know is he was a direct descendant of King James IV of Scotland through his last illegitimate daughter.
I love your stuff as you know. Keep it up!
Glad you uploaded this one.
Thank you, With regards to your own Coat of Arms again i wouldnt trust any you see online although the Kirkpatrick Crest which is a symbol that can be used by all members is always a safe bet.
Wow learn something new everyday. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for the uploading it's been a while 👍🏻
You are very welcome, It has indeed had to take time out for a variety of reasons Time and i wasnt happy with the content i was producing i thought it could be better, ive been working on improving some aspects still in the early learning stages but hopefully you will all start seeing the benefits of my break in the coming months.
@@Clans_Dynasties Well everyone needs some time for themselves also if you want to improve the channel that's good but it was fine to me. I can't wait to see what you come up with. Keep up the great work.
First off thank you for this clip, not only is it fascinating it's also shown my family coat of arms. When my father passed I inherited all of his personal things and in his paper work I found our family coat of arms. I got it out and decided to see if it is legitimate and at the 9:40 time in your clip there it is, our family coat of arms with our name and it's identical to the picture I have. It's hard to make out the name but I can see enough to know it's our name. I'm unsure how to word how i feel about this, nothing i can think of seems right, but it's given me a solid feeling of connection to my ancestors. It seems strange to have such a strong feeling because of a picture, but there it is, it's how it makes me feel. Thanks again for your efforts here, it's given me a huge boost.Cheers Al
there are multiple families with the same surname, you must establish your ancestry with the lord lyon or earl marshall in order to use the arms legitimately. lots of scammy companies will do the bare minimum amount of research and find a coat of arms which someone once had who shared that surname, you dad could have been scammed and you can't use the coat of arms until you establish direct male line ancestry.
@@biggorilla1216 Lord Lyon/Earl Marshall....not if you are Irish.
@@biggorilla1216 I'm an O'Neill so I'm unsure how it all works
Great video! What’s the movie or tv show showing what looks like Iron Age celts you used in this video?
Thank you very much i really appreciate it, t's from a french film called Druid set in Gaul, never seen it myself the reviews don't seem good though but I liked the banners and thought they were a good example.
I'm a descendant of clan kirkpatrick, good video by the way.
Which one?
I'm a Kirkpatrick.😲
@@cyankirkpatrick5194 There are more than one.
could you do clark clan history
I hope to do all clans and familes of ireland and Scotland, there are a few but clarke is on my list.
Which one?
What about the chain of office, was all of them the same or were they different?
Nothing to do with Ireland.
@@cooldaddy2877 You don't know him like I do he'll try to take it all. Saying it's his period,and his loo/ jack house lawyer will help him get it.
In Scottish heraldry, all bearers of that name use *variations* of the stem arms of that name (the earliest known arms of that surname, usually still used by the chief of the name). Clan members should not use the *exact same arms* as the chief of the name, who has the sole right to use the stem arms. The arms of clan members resemble those of the chief, but their particular arms have additional elements in them to make them distinct from the arms of all others bearing that name. Arms in the UK are still used as instruments of authentication in legal and business documents, so it is still taken seriously. Using the stem arms of your clan as your own is illegal in Scotland, and is considered a form of identity theft. Everywhere else it is just plain bad taste and shows the ignorance of the user. In the US it isn't illegal or unethical to assume a particular variation of your clan's stem arms by adding charges to the shield that are unique to you and your immediate kin, but you are best served by consulting someone well versed in the heraldry of your clan before doing so to avoid accidentally adopting arms that already exist. To avoid this I'd recommend that Americans use charges that are distinctly North American to clearly identify themselves as cadets of the clan residing in the diaspora.
I saw this mentioned today on reddit too, This video is aimed at Ireland but there may need to be another on Scotland. Thanks for sharing.
Rubbish..unless you accept English law but thats not how it worked at the time.
Royal is my race. Nelly spoke more about the tree than rob roy. Outlawed his tartan they did.
This video, while interesting, goes off the point so much regarding Ireland. I will make a few points. Firstly, 90% of the coat of arms seen in shops/online are fake or not Irish. If you are daft enough to buy them without doing your own research....then good luck to you. Secondly, under Brehon Law anyone of a particular clan can use said coat of arms. Thirdly, the Irish never used coat of arms (in the sense of a design on a shield) but instead used banners. Fourthly, most Irish clans/families do not have their own coat of arms/banners but use those of the clan they followed into battle. This is the true meaning of a coat of arms/war banner. So, if you cannot, after a lot of research, find your coat of arms then search for those of the clan you regularly supported in battle. Thats how it worked.
Clan O'broin will rise again.
His brother well half brother knows he has to work but don't mind that free ride at all Sorry about the stinging comment but I'm just tired of the bull crap that is going on, I've never used the free ride excuse or I'd get a good chewing out from dad. Besides he said they lost everything before the great Depression hit, they only thing they had was the family house, it was the only thing paid off.
I think so, but my last name doesn't seem to have one but my ne'er to well nephew seen to find one online 🤦🏻♀️ 🙄🤷🏼♀️ I don't think I'd trust them unless you recommend one or other sites.i know of the two clans that I know that the family name shares by the way he's adopted so that my parents could take care of them even though they could have kept his birth name again 🤦🏻♀️🙄🙄🤷🏼♀️ his dad's family has more pinazzed then my dad's could ever have his just looking for a free ride I mean he's lazy as @@@@ and so his brother. I didn't do anything to do anything to cause that it was entirely the fault of the grandmother, the one who birthed me fault.
Are you allowed to make this video? Yes? Then stop asking stupid questions and make your point, already!