Superfriends Deep Dive | A Complete Guide to the Superfriends Archetype in Commander
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- It's time for an in-depth guide to the superfriends/planeswalker archetype in commander!
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I call my jank superfriends deck “just ok pals”
Oh, is it awkward when they're all in the same room?
Nitpicking Nerds They’re all decent work friends who all know in the back of their minds that there is never a chance they would ever hangout outside of work. No one says anything, but they’re all thinking it.
Pir actually makes Planeswalkers put additional counters when they USE abilities. Doubling Season says, “if a spell or ability would...” it doesn’t work, because putting the loyalty counters on is the activation. Pir says, “if a counter would be...”
Gotcha, looks like we read it slightly wrong!
However, when you place the planeswalker, it doubles the amount it would come in with.
Yo, Pir is worded in such a way that when you + a plansewalker he triggers. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of him.
He seems to better than we gave him credit for!
@@NitpickingNerds Ya Pir also makes it so that doubling season doubles any plus abilities.
him also drawing toothy if you have it is very good, at worst its just a blocker in a pinch but at best you can get a few cards out of it, its also cool that you can play it to tutor for pir
I have a superfriends deck. The commander is Maelstrom Wanderer and it's 98 permanents and Primal Surge. It's a lot of fun.
Wow, gotta love primal surge
I love primal surge. Would love too see your list. I have a primal surge muldrotha deck. It doesnt use thassa oracle though it uses urborg an dread wanderer or obnixilis landfall. After it resolves i can stack the triggers with loamin shaman and e witness plus bontu sac all my permants with beezys favorite underrealm lich you dont mill yourself get primal surge back and do it all over.
My Muldrotha is built around primal surge :) it’s fun, but I’m dreading the day we actually have to walk through the triggers after casting it rather than everyone scoop lol
My primal surge is animar the trick with surge is run lab man and imperium angel so you auto win
I really like the slew of Nico Bolos planeswalkers in edh. They are all just very capable of generating immediate value
Imagine if grave titan was a planeswalker. 😂
Grave Titan, Planeswalking Beater 4BB
+1: Until your next turn, you can't present any threats.
-3: Create two tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens three turns from now.
-9: Grave Titan deals 6 damage to target opponent.
Starting Loyalty: 3
I would rather have Liliana, dreadhorde general than grave Titan 99% of the time.
@@NitpickingNerds overpowered
I recently found you guys and you have become one of my top mtg content creators. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much we try to be the best we can be.
My favorite commander plansewalker is a foil Venser, the sojourner, I pulled it in my first year of collecting magic cards. I always find a deck to fit it in, and if it ults then gravy!!
*Kaya's Ghostform :)
That card is interesting, I remember using it in our Lurrus deck tech
Been brewing a nevinyrral boardwipe tribal/super friends deck and i couldnt be more excited to test it in group. Glad to have these tips to finish polishing it up!
My nitpicking nerds! I think one card that can be employed in superfriends is spark double. The opportunity of doubling the best pw on your field can be gold! Cheers!
It might be tough to find your spot to pull that off but it's certainly great if it happens
@@NitpickingNerds making a non legendary copy of atraxa with a +1/+1 counter on it is pretty spicy on its own.
Busy atm building an Aminatou superfriends deck, so great timing. Thanks for the tips guys!
I'm in love with the channel! I was looking a new commander to build around and think the superfriends is the one! Thanks Joe and Beezy
So glad to give you inspiration!
I love kykar, winds fury as a superfriends build. He makes spirit tokens that fly and can protect your planeswalkers. It's very good. Colors aren't ideal because no green or black, but upside is it's a pretty combo heavy deck
Really cool content guys! I used to play a lot of Atraxa but ran into all of these problems you are mentioning. Probably because the choice of walkers was a bit random. Had a lot of boardwipes to help me protect my friends though. A bit of constructive feedback for mister on the left. Slowing down and articulating would make it a lot easier to hear the words. Right now it gets a bit sloppy at times.
Pir is pretty good in a superfriends deck because his ability works on the loyalty costs (contrast to Doubling Season which only works on effects).
“On the news tonight did beezy hit joe in the nose is there a fight club taking place”
Hahahahaha. Loved the "no cut".
Thanks :P
Great insight, many thanks.I love inexorable tide for planeswalker fun.
How many spells do you usually cast in a turn with it?
@@NitpickingNerds generally use it in combination with other proliferation stuff so getting two or three counters additional counters per turn. Draws less hate than doubling season though obviously playing that too.
Dang unusually late upload tonight guys. Caught me by surprise.
Yeah, this one took a while to get out, but we weren't about to miss an upload!
Gives me a lot to think about for Windgrace super friends. Very surprised he wasn't mentioned in the video at all
This has inspired me to try build a larry nev deck. Cheers guys
This was a great and very helpful episode for folks that are wanting to build a super friends deck. Great idea and keep staying Pawzitive guys
Definitely!
I always find it funny how many videos you guys stuff in Field of the Dead.
So I had a yarok the desecrated deck that I turned into super friends deck because of deep glow skate. Double then double again. Feels real good when you can pull it off with planeswalker s on board
Deepglow Skate="Bubbling Season"
Golos turns with Superfriends sub theme makes it easy to ultimate all your walkers, even without stuff like doubling season.
I think the best super friends commander is Ramos, Dragon Engine. He allows me to cast a lot of spells on one turn with its ability. Also works extremely well with your inevitable proliferation and counter doublers.
Years ago the command zone said elsbeth suns champion was a staple of the format. It is wild how much it has changed since then
I really have to revisit my mono b yawgmoth PW deck
If you do you will have to share the list
Maybe I missed it but Oath of Nissa? when playing with fetch lands and having perfect fixing it's not necessary but in lower power metas, and wanting to play multi-color super friends, it could be useful for a one mana investment. It also digs for them (not very deep) but you still can grab a creature or land if you whiff.
I once opened a pack of War of the spark with Lilliana, Dreadhorde General and a foil of that set's Nissa. Unfortunately it was a draft, so I only got to keep the Lilliana. In the second round, the guy that got the Nissa used it to defeat me...
Jace the Mind Sculptor is good in a 2-color deck where your options are limited. I play him in a Will and Rowan deck. I have a ton of fetch lands, so brainstorming is great, and he has such a pedigree that my opponents value him too highly. They will ignore much better planeswalkers to attack jtms... He's given me good value.
Thanks for doing this great video, I ran an atraxa pw deck and I definitelly will do some cuts. What do you think about the next pw that are not in your video?
Teferi, Temporal Archmage
Vraska the Unseen
Vraska, Relic Seeker
Venser, the Sojourner
Ashiok, Nightmare Muse
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Also these cards
Contagion Engine, Too expensive?
Rings of Brighthearth, I think this is worth to include in PW decks.
I spit up my tea when you said "Any Vraska" lol
Hahaha I love jace mind sculptor he is all my blue builds. Like the guide though I'll keep in mind
Kinda' surprised you didn't include Aminatou in the "best commanders for superfriends" section. Sure, there's other ways to take her, but the fact that she can blink planeswalkers is amazing, and she benefits from all your planeswalker synergy herself.
Also, I built my Ur-Dragon deck with a superfriends sub-theme, and it's surprisingly good. The idea is to ultimate Sarkhan Dragonsoul or Sarkhan Unbroken, but I've also found that the Ur-Dragon's cost reduction makes it pretty easy to put down big blockers to protect your planeswalkers. The main problem is that there isn't much room for instant speed interaction, which can hurt, but all the removal you have stapled to planeswalkers and dragons still make it playable.
Guys....give my thumb a break geez!
Lol, great vid though. I too, have an Atraxa super friends deck. But it’s not as cut and dry as your typical super friends and it’s a lot of fun.
For a while I wanted to build an izzet poaneswalker deck and then elesha came out and I’ve been working on making a Jeskai friends deck with her and it’s basically almost all non creature spells.
Anyway, sweet video as always and didn’t disagree with a word!
That’s cuz we know everything lol 😂
I run all the planeswalkers (even the bad ones to balance the deck for my playgroup) in my mono blue baby jace commander deck (i. e. Karn, Jace, Ugin, Jace, etc...) It ramps and goes off when omniscience hits the table :D
What do you guys think of Planewide Celebration for the later game? 5GG with the option to proliferate 4 times.
Power Matrix works fairly decent! +1/+1, first strike, flying, and trample until end of turn!
I agree with your traps besides narset transcendent. While the +1 isn't the best, using it and putting her at 7 is pretty good protection. Any game I have doubling season'd + ult her, I have won since its pretty much preventing them from doing anything else to me if I wipe their creatures.
I think Atraxa is easily the best commander for superfriends. The amount of times you care about missing out on access to red is so low that its easily replaced by the passive proliferate and the fact its probably the best defensive creature for superfriends. Give it first strike and possibly trample and theres like 2 creatures that will be able to attack into it.
I find it most difficult determining at what point do I stop caring about efficiency in favor of synergy and vice/versa. Cutting cards is usually easy, but I typically see cards as pretty much equally good in either category. I guess flexibility is usually the tie-breaker in this instance.
Have a nicol bolas planes walker deck and his flip form can reanimate planes walkers and can be very strong with spark double.
I play a GAAIV superfriends... some cards just are playable in this deck. The reduction cost, unsummon abilities and a lot of mass removal makes this deck fun.
I almost always can ultimate mind sculptor. hahahaha
Jace unravaler of secrets is a freaking machine in this deck... a big threat.
Elspeth is one of the best cards here. The tokens are always saving the planeswalkers.
I have a mono white djeru landfall superfriends that always surprises the table
How could anyone be ready?
I have not watched the whole video, so I'm not sure if it was talked about. A playstyle I found to work for superfriends was board wipe tribal. Lots of walkers, lots of board wipes. I used the old iroas as the commander bee is indestructible and could beef up a Giddeon. Not sure how it would do in a more high power pod, but the games I played with it weren't much of a game.
You are a bad person.
What do you think about the prismatic bridge as a commander?
I use Sliver queen as my superfriends commander
Very interesting!
One of my most evil (albeit 60 card) superfriends deck was Planeswalkers plus Slivers in a supporting role...
But to be fair, it got quite some wins just on the Slivers.
(-:
He's not as good in edh as in 1v1, but I think you're underestimating the power of the mind sculptor. Not super good in superfriends, but a great filter engine in edh in general, especially on a higher power level (including cedh, oh boi)
I run a Kethis Superfriends, I like PIr because of the extra one but also when you do plus it adds an additional. You reach ultimates a lot faster. But, that deck also care about the ledgend type so some of its choices are because of that. Also, feels hilarious to have doubling season play plansewalker ult it dies, use Kethis to replay it again. Also the all your walkers are one cheaper is such gravy. overlooked superfriends commander IMO. He feels way more fair too because you cant play blue.
Lol, you guys are so nerdy. I love it.
Only a little nerdy 😂
If you want the pramikon effect but don’t want to go jeskai colors or more, let me introduce you to mystic barrier. A mono white enchantment version!
So what do you think about esika as commander?
I have a Kenrith the return King as Commander for my Super Friends with a sub theme of Niambi esteemed speaker and recursion tactics but still messing around ...
I have these 2 cards good fit?
Made a sisay weatherlight captain superfriends/shrine deck still hasn't been able to play with it yet though
I'm going to attempt Aminatou super friends. Let's see what happens!
the key to walker decks is wrath, i have narset deck, so the normal way of winning is killing everything creatures and lands , depend heavly in artifacts , and then put in play 3 or 4 walker and your openent giving you the win because they are completly stax
also sharkan is great ,is the one that you look for the win
My buddy built a Nicol Bolas the Ravenger Superfriends and I gotta say, although it is a very durdley deck, it's extremely broken
Try making a mono red Superfriends deck, you would have most of the Chandra cards that give mana on their loyalty abilities and a lot of mana rocks/mana in general that way you are genning a lot of mana per turn and planswalkers per turn and since it is red you are also just burning them out so you are actually winning through value and denying opponents of any resources as there are good red Stax cards to go in a mono red Superfriends deck
Basically it should be called Mono Red Nofriends
I have just converted Atraxa to a toolbox reanimator deck for Planeswalkers. It isn't so much about keeping them alive, it is about a final payout with something like Eerie Ultimatum. Had a lot of games where I am the Archenemy simply because of Atraxa and the deck is spammy enough that you can just let the walkers die and shield you life total for a big payout that pretty much just ends the game.
I think all counters on planeswalkers should be doubled in EDH.
That it means it comes down with double loyalty, +'s, -'s, and ult's for double the cost.
I'm sure this would cause certain issues, but I think making walkers playable would be good for EDH's health, because it would also make creatures much more valuable.
I would, for the most part, agree on Sarkahn, Dragon Speaker....but flip-walkers deal commander damage, and that’s just funny.
That is Spicy! Killing them with commander damage from JVP would be awesome.
also then you can mutate onto the walker and make it unattackable
I wish you could have showed more about the deck and some other key pieces. I wasn't too deep dive for me.
I run a Golos superfriends (just to have access to all colors), can search for lands I need (karn's bastion for proliferate, field of the dead for zombies protecting my planeswalkers, gaea's craddle/Urborg/cabas coffer for more mana and so on) and also makes oath of teferi a ramp card by blinking my Golos for more lands. I run Constant mists in it, really like that card because its a fog I can get back to my hand by sacc a land. Also Golos synergies really good with Jace, the mind sculptor since I can use jace 0 ability and put 2 expensive cards on top, which golos can activate his ability to cast for free.
Really looking forward to the new kaya who's ultimate is that you can cast a legendary spell from hand, graveyard or exile for free. Meaning the legendary spells from Dominaria can be cast every turn (Karn's Temporal sundering to have infinity turns / Urza's ruinous blast to wipe all non-legendary non-land permanents / Yawgmoth's vile offering to destroy a creature/planeswalker and also get a creature/planeswalker back from a graveyard).
Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider is half part Doubling Season and stops others from playing superfriends.
Please make a super friend deck using Prismatic bridge!
If the elderspell resolves, you always have priority to ult, so you can't get 3 for 1'ed
SUPER NITPICKING FRIENDS
That should have been the title!
I feel you about Golos. It's upsetting because when I saw him I was like "Oh cool! An artifact and lands commander that's five-color but isn't tribal, that sounds fun!" but then it just turns out everyone does the same thing with Golos, and it plays out the same way each time... Like he's so flexible that it goes in reverse and just always leads towards the same high-value plays that all feel kind of soulless since there's not much cool flavor going on (it's not like when you have a cool legendary creature with a deck full of voltron equips like the deck is somehow just every piece of gear your commander ever owned and all the friends he made along the way or something) and it is totally predictable.
I love superfriends, play them out, bring them all back, then play death cloud, decree of annihilation.... Anything that hits lands and creatures, good game.
Planeswalkers + land destruction, yep GG
@@NitpickingNerds shhhhh lifelink shhhh
I know I'm probably the only one asking this, but would you guys ever consider doing an updated battle box video with an updated list? I know you guys mostly do commander now, but I think battle box was pretty cool for a casual 1v1 format.
Funny you should ask, we probably won't have any more BB content for a long time, but I recently revived ours and updated the list, here it is! tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-nitpicking-nerds-battle-box-2020/
@@NitpickingNerds Good enough for me, thanks :D
I play Yidris superfriends. I find that playing only one walker a turn is awful so I chose yidris so my turns are more efficient
I built a Nev, urborg tyrant superfriends deck.... nothing like a non-walker boardwipe in the command zone to keep your walker buds safe
Want to build this because I pulled the etched foil. You have a deck list?
@@nickfitzpatrick5878 I don’t have a deck list sadly because I’m old school and write all of mine down in a notebook lol. But I could make one on tapped out and tag you in this thread when I finish it?
I play Planeswalkers mostly as a shield. Most people will focus on them and leave my life alone for a while lol
Jace TMS is amazing as a recursive brainstorm. In Yuriko and Kefnet I’ve seen and had Jace take over the game. And in a control deck he shines as well.
Guys you should do a New Version of this video. Updated to get New spicy cards like ajani sleeper agent, Laezel (second pir) and brokers ascendancy
Ya'll do top 10 jank/build around cards. That'd be interesting
That could be interesting, I added that idea to our notes section in my phone!
@@NitpickingNerds Awesome :D Ya'll are going to blow up this year. I know it
In the case of Teferi Temporal Pilgrim I will happily pay 5 mana to draw a card lol
Beezy is the Chandler Bing of Nitpicking Nerds
rowan and will kenrith are a good commanders, will lets you lower the cost of walkers, rowan is just exponential value with the ulti, 4 emblems is not rare, and theyre always in the command zone.
I know its slightly lower power I like inexorable tide, 5 mana cast a spell and proliferate
If you've got the potential to chain 3+ spells in a turn reliably, it seems like a good include. Probably great if it's one of your only 5+ drops
Why isn't Brawl more popular? I watch all the commander youtube channels but really just play Brawl :p
Crazy they didn't mention Prismatic Bridge as a commander for superfriends
Prismatic Bridge didn't exist yet lol
I am seeking planeswalker video desperately and this is uploaded. I watched it twice. It is funny that the elderspell was suggested from one of your superfriend deck profile months ago, And now it becomes a trap, how about settle the score?
Our opinions on cards constantly change as we play more. Settle is is just not a strong enough removal spell to be worth it
@@NitpickingNerds thanks, great video overall. I do have a question, since I am following 10 card draw spell rule, what planeswalker can substitute a draw spell? Or do I have to play 10 other draw spell?
No you're not being a nitpicking nerd, I hate Golos too xD it can find ANY land. And is so generically poweful that it can be literally any deck. Golos Goodstuff, Golos Dragons, Superfriends, Enchantments (Finds Serra's Sanctum), like why?? It unfortunately sits at the helm of my superfriends deck. I love the red cards you get to much to switch to Atraxa. I did use Sisay for a minute, but Golos can find Field of the Dead, then Vesuva, and then you're protecting your planeswalkers quite easily with Fetchlands. He plays very well with Scroll Rack as well. A card you may of overlooked is Dueling Grounds. Printed waaaay back it is really great at slowing down combat and only costs 3 mana! (:
Golos is an amazing superfriends commander.
Oops 😬
Bro my modified Planeswalker party has 20 planswalkers in it
No Aminatou as commander? I’m putting together this deck now
Totally solid option, we didn't want to go TOO deep when listing commanders as it doesn't really matter who your commander is, especially if you pick the commander beforehand and decide to build superfriends around it :)
When you said "contingency plan" did to mean to say "contentious plan?" Contingency plan doesn't have anything to do with proliferating
They forgot Triumphant Reckoning Return all artifact, enchantment, and planeswalker cards from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Who needs super friends when hate bears exist
Certainly another option for deckbuilding!
@@NitpickingNerds peace was never an option
My friend is a salty guy that doesn’t like having any of those planewalkers played (against him.) Especially Ashiok.. He is a dirty necromancer haha
Well maybe he needs friends, super friends
Isn't Hero's Downfall just a better Murder though?
Correct number of planeswalkers in my playgroup? None, very hostile to planeswalkers. I still try, LOL.
I like playing Vraska Relic Seeker or Vraska Golgari Queen :P
I’ll subscribe if you tell me where you got that land art.
Our friend got at a gp and we framed it at Michaels
Flicker the skate?
Watching this I feel like you don’t play super friends. You shit on some really good control walkers
Completely agree. Especially with the non walkers like tezzerets gambit and elderspell.