The Remington R51: Is this $200 9mm Handgun Worth Buying?
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- čas přidán 7. 04. 2020
- In this episode of TFBTV, Hop takes a look at the Remington R51; the gun so bad it killed Big Green. Is the updated R51 worth it for under $250? Or is it a worthless perversion of Pedersen's perfect pistol? There's only one way to find out.
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HOW THE HESITATION LOCK WORKS:
First, it hesitates to go into battery.
Then it locks up completely.
Hoplopfheil It’s made for practicing malfunction drills
Sooo… It works perfectly as intended, then right? ...Mind you, I said perfectly "as intended", I never said it worked perfectly.
My taurus spectrum does this shit too. Sticking with sig for my future guns.. at least I can trust my life to my sig.
They call it a hesitation lock, because it hesitates to work before locking up.
your lips scared me a bit.
This is a great pistol to have when you take a buddy to the range: let him use it so he doesn't use up all your ammo.
No One lmao!😂
Shitty friend 🤷♂️
We blow through 22lr ammo. Get a sterling 22 they are sweet looking little guns but fail to feed and stove pipe often it's a great gun to keep the buddy from using the 22lr lol
How would letting your friend shoot your gun save you ammo? If he bought ammo it doesn’t matter what gun you hand them. If he didn’t bring ammo then it still doesn’t matter what gun you hand them..
@@mrwashur1991 are you serious? I guess you didn't watch the review. The pistol jambs a lot, and they will be spending more time clearing jambs than firing rounds, thus saving ammo. Get it now? :)
Dude when the mag fell out his, “Why?!” killed me lmao.
It looked like he pushed the release on the other side. It has mag releases on both sides for right and left handed people. I've accidentally done it myself once. But never had all these other problems. I think it's a good little gun
@@jamesloftis9970 Its a piece of shit, just save for a glock.
Not gonna lie every time I see a tfbtv pistol review pop into my feed and the thing looks to be less than $400 I automatically assume its Hop
and it is. and the review is always excellent.
Thats a compliment in my book.
Shouldnt have to spend an arm and a leg for a descent gun.
I was definitely interested in this gun when it launched. Thumbs up for saving me from a $200 failed experiment!
Matthew Caughey B
I bought one for $129 at Sportsmans Warehouse last fall. Figured I could part it out and come out ahead if it was crap. After reading the fanboy forums, I beveled the inside front lip of the magazines, which solved the nosedive problem and made it run great as a 6+1. Then I cut one coil off the mag spring and cut 1/8 inch off the bottom of the follower. Now it runs great on 7+1. Since working over the mags it has been flawless for 400 rounds. I get the hand pain described, but dont think it's debilitating. YMMV.
I can live with a project for $129. If I had paid full price when they first came out I would have told them to stick it! It's inexcusable to put crap on the market when the fix didn't seem the difficult.
I did the same thing and it fixed my gun that's what I'm talking about that's how you make this gun awesome Samurai
High Point,sitting on the sidelines...."yeah, Im ugly. But I work. "
"It hurts me, doesn't work reliably, and causes me great anguish, but I love it."
Every person in an abusive relationship ever. Hop has Stockholm Syndrome.
F-ing hilarious! 😂😂
😂😂
Sounds like an american wife.
R51, the pistol designed to stop you from stopping a threat. It’s like a bunch of anti gunners decide to make a gun, because they had to.
The best way that an R51 will protect you is if your aggressor is using one.
@@andyholstein237 its a Joe Biden special because its FOS....
No that’s a celery.
Zip 22 vs Remington R51
When the Hi-point is a better gun...
Such a shame, the original 51 was an amazing little pocket gun. Remington is an empty shell of what it used to be. Even their 700’s and 870’s quality has fallen to the wayside
Agree, I have still my 700 Rifle out of the 90th and that is a great rifle. But I heart that new 700 series is not as good as the old one was. Remington tried to go into the cheap gun business and they fucked up their whole business - it is a shame. It was probably a stupid management decision - which happens all over in the industry.
regards from Switzerland
Its so bad. The coat on my bolt comes off with cleaning
z c they even Ruined Marlin... the bastards!
It blows my mind they can mess up making a pump shotgun and bolt action rifle both models they were famous for
Joe Nox same thing happened with my Freedom group Marlin .30-30. I lightly oiled it and put it up and it was covered with rust a month later. I just spray painted it lol
I discovered a few years ago both the first release and second release of the R51 was a total !@#$ show. They are horribly unreliable and poorly made. The only thing consistent with Remington is their ability to massively screw up just about everything they touch. Pick up a RP9 or RP45 if you would like to revisit those horrible handguns. It's been a few years since those were called out as being a hot mess. I suspect Remington still hasn't fixed all the issues with those either.
Right on, right on..
Used to work at a sporting goods counter, and when the RP line came out all I could think was "why?". They looked like Remington was trying to copy Walther in terms of style but those damn things had such a high bore axis compared to anything else that they looked as if you could aim down the sights from your hip. I even thought the ones we were sent were defective because the slide catch looked ambi but didn't seem to work but Remington said that it was working as intended.
How do u screw up a 9mm handgun.......? There have been hundreds of millions of them made, it seems almost impossible to be this bad, they had to try to fu@k up this bad.
I almost bought an RP9 when they were 169 on PSA. So glad I didn't.
In February I picked up an RP9 with 5 mags and an extra stripped slide + barrel for $199. I HAD to buy it at that price. I only have 200 rounds throught it but no issues. I know the slide release is fake ambi but don't need it for lefty anyway. Works for me. Hopefully it stays that way.
I went shooting with a buddy who had an R51. It was so unreliable it started making my guns have malfunctions.
Reminds me of a PT Cruiser. Pseudo classic styling and cheap, but a turd...
I'm not sure why but lesbians seem to love the PT Cruiser. You don't see many of them on the road these days, the cars I mean.
PT cruiser with shitty looking flame decals on the doors and a “Mee-Maws Hot-Rod” licence plate frame..
Underneath it’s exterior, it’s still a shitty Dodge Neon.
PT cruisers were actually pretty damn expensive when they were new.
My understanding was that the PT Cruiser was a perfectly acceptable car, especially when you were inside one and could not see the styling.
I have a 2007. I hate how much I love that car. I bought it in 2013 with 58k miles for $4k. It now has 110+k miles, and has been astonishingly reliable. If something does go wrong, parts are super inexpensive. It's comfortable, holds a crap ton of stuff and the interior materials are quite durable. The biggest cons are the style,.the turning radius of a tractor trailer, and.lack of anything remotely close to fuel economy. But, I use it as it was named, PT, for part truck, and it works great in that role. Another big plus is that I can park it anywhere, because no one will steal it, and I could care less what happens to it. As a result, nothing has happened to it, lol. Btw, I'm not a lesbian.
I would rather put $200 in change, in a sock to defend myself. 🧦
Studio Mansion 200 dollars in change would weigh 10 pds minimum. Good luck getting that into a sock. Mind as well buy this gun, then put in said sock. Lol
@@chrisalbrecht2894 🤣
Lmaoo 😭
@@chrisalbrecht2894 Then I'll just pelt them with change. I'd never buy this gun. If someone gave it to me, I'd take it as a cry for help, and stage an intervention.
@@chrisalbrecht2894 200 of the currently circulated $1 coin would weigh 3 lb 9 oz. Probably about twice what you'd need for an effective cosh, but socks come in pairs anyway, so at least you'd be able to make a backup.
I bought the 2nd Gen as soon as it came out and had one ftf. (I saw and watched videos of this issue on the Gen1) So I took a pair of pliers to the magazine bent that top tab angled in so that it was flatter and have never had a problem with either mag since doing that. I have 1000+ rds through it and carry it every day. Best fitting, feeling and shooting pistol I have ever owned. My Sig P938 just collects dust now. Sold my Glock 26 because the R51 is easier to conceal. So to all who have had issues with yours.....sorry. Mine runs like a champ.
How exactly did you do it? I have a brand new R51 that's a complete pos, literally will not chamber any ammo I've ever tried. As Remington is out of business, I'm stuck with a paper weight until I can figure it out.
@Paul Curry don't worry, mine has all the failures for 20 owners.
@Paul Curry if I can't chamber a round in the first place, what good will that do? This pos literally will not chamber 99% of the time. I've tried three different types of ammo, all have failed. I'm about to go Demolition Ranch on this pos and find out how the R51 handles 5.56 LAP.
@@illcommunications415 I fixed mine by filing down some of the length on the legs of the magazine follower. Prior to that it wouldn't work properly with a full 7+1 load. Since filing down the follower legs, it has worked flawlessly.
@@illcommunications415 for one the gun likes hot ammo. I found that for training 124g NATO spec was preferred for break in. Next was the magazine design in some cases folks had to take the mag apart and cut some off the follower. Remington did redesign the gen 2 magazines with a slight ramp on the follower to help the gun direct the next round. Bullet length is the most important thing on the R51. The system prefers longer more conical shaped rounds. Best rounds for it I found were hornaday XTPs in 124, federal HST and hydrashok 124s and Remingtons old golden saber in 124g ( mine like I said liked 124s for break in). Final thing is lubrication, this is absolutely vital as the gun holds its lube very well. 1 use a lubricant that’s sticky and adheres to the metal to metal parts. I found shotgun choke tube grease worked very well. I used it on the rails and on the shelf the block got rammed into. Sure it picked up crud a bit more but it stayed slippy so the gun kept on going bang. I took it out with the intention to jam it one day and I used the cruddiest ammo I had available. ( Tulammo 115g Russian crap. Winchester American steel 115 garbage (( which jammed a star BM)) some really really old federal 115g and whatever crap I wanted to clear out that was over a decade old ). The gun had eaten 200 rounds of Tula and 200 rounds of American steel without missing a beat, limp wristing it, holding it upside down, sideways, it just didn’t care it kept on going bang. I attribute it to the grease and Lucas outdoor gun oil. Filthy dirty and 500 rounds later the gun was still going. 3 other folks shot it too just to see if they could choke it? No dice didn’t choke. Now mine was one of the first Gen 2s off the Huntsville line with a low serial number so it’s possible I got a better one
I was an early adopter of R51 gen 1. It was a POS from the get-go, with FTFs galore and firing out of battery to boot, so I sent it back. Remington offered to swap the Gen 1 pistols for one of their 1911s in .45 APC, so I took that option. I picked up a new Gen 2 R51 when they became available. What a difference. With all due respect to your documented troubles with this pistol, mine has been the complete opposite. My R51 has been 100% reliable from the first round through it to what is now probably 500 rounds, and every shot in between. No failures, jams, or stoppages whatsoever, no matter the ammo make or design. It has been a flawless performer. The somewhat unorthodox take-down procedure is a downer for sure, matched only by the re-assembly process, which is harder still. Overall, I like my sample of the R51. Its smooth and somewhat futuristic lines are appealing to the eye and it's reasonably accurate at combat range. I've seen R51s selling for close to $500 at retail fairly recently, and nowhere near $200 or $250 anywhere. I think mine ran me around $300 or so. It's is a keeper, though. Sorry you had so much trouble with your Gen 2.
I agree with you. My Gen 2 R51 has been flawless so far. It's hard to believe they tested the same gun I bought. Also, I find it very comfortable to shoot! Now if I can figure out how to keep it from twisting in my hand, I might be able to hit the target a little better. I haven't tried +P, or 147 gr. bullets yet, just the off the shelf 115 and 124s. It also seems very fashionable to bash Remington these days. I guess some of that is deserved , but I haven't experienced it. The only other Remington product I've bought recently is an RM380 and it has been just fine as well. Both pistols seem very well made and nicely finished to be inexpensive!
@@davidpass3584 I've run 115, 124, and 147 grain loads through mine - all with no issues. 147 grain ammo gives more felt recoil, but it's still quite manageable. I prefer 124 grain NATO loads for FMJs.
Same here. My R51, which I picked up cheap when Remington ran a rebate, has been very reliable. I love the low bore axis. That and the weight from the metal frame makes it very soft shooting. I’ve never had any discomfort from the grip safety. You can feel it’s there, but it doesn’t bite me. I personally am surprised at Hop’s discomfort shooting the gun. It can be difficult to get the first round in a full mag to feed by racking the slide. The easiest way is to lock the slide open, insert the mag, and then drop the slide. And reassembly is a pain. That’s the only real downside to this pistol for me. The difficult reassembly makes me somewhat lazy about cleaning it, and it’s still reliable. If the pistol’s good points (low-bore axis, recoil-absorbing weight, size that allows a full grip, +P-rated, and the looks) appeal to you, and you’re aware of its cons (a pain to reassemble, 7+1 capacity, all the tacticool guys telling you it’s junk, and it’s apparently discontinued), and you see a deal on one, I wouldn’t be afraid to pick one up. My experience with the R51 is limited to the one example I own, but I’ve been pleased with it (at least until time to reassemble it).
Remington 96430 R51 RP9 9mm+P Semi-Auto Pistol " Gen 2 " - 7rd 3.4" 3 Dot Black - Special Promotion with 3 Magazines currently $229.99. I may be crazy and get one in June.
*video starts*
'Is this Hop? Please be Hop. Yay it's Hop.'
I literally say the exact same thing each time! LOL
James will only review the higher end stuff
I said the same thing and was not disappointed! This is my favorite review so far, I was absolutely rolling laughing the whole time. The editing was on point with the flow of the hilarious review too, you can see the sadness and frustration as the video drags on. It also reminds me of myself with an early hipoint I had.
@@lucasner463 me too. Hop, Paul Harrell, and 22 plinkster are where your gonna get honest reviews.
Ah, a budget handgun... Made by Remington?!?! Oh hell no!!!
I'd trust my life to a 20 year-old Rossi that's never been cleaned but shot everyday, over *that.*
Clean your gun, you animal
I don’t understand the outright refusal by many gun owners to clean their guns. Is it just unintelligence?
worst is when people brag about taking a brand new gun out to shoot with no lube or cleaning and then complain about the break-in period/malfunctions; lots of youtubers do it
@@mr.c.3760 -- Could it be that they don't know that a new gun should be cleaned and lubed before use? After all, few (if any) of the instruction booklets that come with new pistols even say this, much less explain how to do it. There is also the expectation that anything new out of the box should work perfectly.
@@StevenL00 plenty do, like Glocks, but it creates bad habits and poor maintenance habits
After seeing this video, I'm glad no one took Remington up on their offer to build ventilators. R51 is definitely in that "can't get right" category.
LoL
The ventilators would work most of the time half of the time 🤷♂️
Hilarious
I think Hop and James are my favorite TFB crew to watch
They just have a way of explaining things
I had an m51 from 1919 and loved it. The r51 is trash. We hated them at the shop I worked for. Even the new 51's were trash
HEY! Usual suspects, eh? The only positive reviews on this gun come from Remington or their paid shills.
@@RyeOnHam Also IME from gun dealers that had purchased some thinking they were good things to put in stock.
What a shame. They should have just made it in .380
I could never understand why a single-action pistol with no safety catch was supposed to be a great idea, especially when it was single stack 9mm that was NOT small. Of course, build quality like that would have killed the Colt 1911 itself.
@@fishsmell2570 I'm going to disagree. It wasn't the caliber. Remington made a .45 ACP version that was adopted by the Navy in 1918. It performed better than the 1911, had lower recoil, fewer parts, and greater MTBF. I've read the report. It was glowing. That was a different Remington, though.
Ok, I'm going to defend the R51. I wanted it when it was new, didn't when it crashed and burned, and held off on buying it for a few years on rerelease because of this channel's first video on it. When it hit $200 on Buds, I grabbed one. I was willing to lose $200 to try it out for myself, as I had seen a few positive reviews. Here is my experience:
I took it to the range to test it out, and really liked it. The R51 shoots very, very flat. The sights barely move between shots, and stay on target very well. The recoil was also very low for a pistol of its size and weight. It is very comfortable in the hand. My groups stayed pretty tight, though I shot an inch or two low half the time.
I know all the rumors and the original run production disaster, so I TRIED to make it fail. I put 200 rounds through it dry (I wiped off all the oil, I wanted to see how quick it would lock up). 50 NATO ball and 150 Speer Gold Dot hollow points. I had zero failures to feed, fire, or eject when shooting. I had two failures to chamber a hollow-point, both on a new mag/locked slide, and both when I racked the slide instead of thumbed the slide release. They immediately fed when I worked the slide at all, a minor shift in my fingers caused it to feed.
The mag needs a smack to seat on a full mag with a closed slide, and racking to load vs dropping was heavier than it needed to be. I got mild slide bite, but I have giant hands. I still had fun shooting it and have been carrying it. It carries very comfortably. I don't get calling it too heavy for the mag size, it weighs more or less the same as Shield and has the same capacity. It carries MUCH more comfortably in my opinion, as the weight is way better dispersed than on a polymer gun. It's my most comfortable 9mm carry gun by far.
I think a lot of it's odder aspects, like favoring dropping the slide to load (so far as I can tell the Pederson block is somewhat free floating and scrapes along the round if you rack) and the odd takedown are due to this being at heart a 1917 design with a very nice aesthetic update.
I like it in part for the same reason I like Lugers and Steyr Hahns, it's a fun look outside the world of John Browning (or in this case a world of dodging his great patents). I also love the retro look of the gun.
I also really enjoyed how it shot. I liked it enough to buy two, since who knows how long Remington will produce it and for the price it's a GREAT deal. Tritium sights are on ebay for like $35, and so are some good carry holsters. If you like all metal guns, it's the best deal going right now.
I haven't been able to fire the second one yet, since all the ranges are shut down for the virus panic. I'm curious to see if I got lucky once, or if this is just an internet meme criticism that caught on and is just self perpetuating since it's fun to rag on stuff.
Guns with QC issues don’t mean every gun off the production line is terrible, so it’s possible to get lucky and get a gun that works, which is nice. Guns with QC issues mainly mean the chances of getting a lemon are significant, so rather than a reasonable guarantee that the product will work as promised (all gun manufacturers can make lemons, but the good ones make far less), it’s a complete dice roll whether it’ll work or not.
Shame because the gun itself, if it worked, could be cool. But there’s simply too poor quality assurance to do that.
*Remington puts out a new pistol*
Me: I'm disgusted, yet intrigued.
I never have these problems outta mine. I've shot 600 rounds in the last two months and its awesome with 0 malfunctions. Comfortable to shot it's never hurt my hand or jammed.
Secret Remington share holder
Cleaned and lubed properly, it seems to function just fine. Not the best gun in the world, but what do you honestly expect for $250 these days? And no, I don't own stock in Remington.
@@alexandergermanis679 250 can get you a g2c though, i dont see the point.
“I hate this gun... but I love this gun.” Every AR I build.
Timothy Weststrate that’s why I buy complete uppers, lowers or whole guns. I then mod until I break it and then unmod after I screw it up.
Ak guys for the win
@@kentucky89nation17 This guy has never gotten an AK kit with fucked headspace ☝️
Remington definitely made some high-quality "rifles", but that company's disasters became so problematic that gun buyers "rightly" lost faith in them as a reliable manufacturer of quality firearms. Remington probably should have scrapped every other firearm they made except for their AR-style weapons.
Most of AR build issues are improper gassing and buffer setup's. I run a 12.5" mid-length with a Superlative adjustable gas block, titanium FA mil-spec BCG, and JP silent capture buffer.
I use the lightest buffer spring, and tune the gas block to the point where the BCG constantly locks on last shot and the brass is ejected in the 3:30-4 o'clock position if viewed from above. You do all that and use similar ammunition you will have a rifle that recoils like a .22 even with that short of barrel.
I freaken love my R51, but hate the grip safety bite. I can only shoot it with gloves or with some electrical tape just under the tang. As for reliability, mine was terrible (gen 2) until I had Remington send me some new mags. Apparently they did a few revisions after the Gen2 release and they fixed my issue. I now have 8 mags that all good and haven't had a malfunction in over 1k rounds!
c0onyb sounds a bit like Stockholm Syndrome to me lol
@Nolan James so basically I just need a Hi-Point C9? :-)
@Nolan James Sounds like ISSC MK22 to me. The "clamshell" broke on mine gen 1 MK22 (less than 2000 rnds) and had to wait aroun 2-3 months for spares/upgrade kit to gen 2 after several emails. It's still not reliable and it tends to "act up" if someone else than me shoots it.
Stockholm syndrome very much. I love me my space gat. The reliability issues with the gen2 mostly seem to be with the magazine designs. I did see that the new ones they sent me had a different lip design.
I worked in industry for 13 years. 2 month turn around is industry standard. I always told my customers expect to wait 8-12 week's. Sure their are some companys that do it alot faster but that is not the norm. Try sending something back to Colt or HK watch how long you wait! Ive had guys wait over 6 months to get back from those guys!
“I hate this gun but I love this gun”
So true. I’ve got an American Derringer in 45LC/410 that is about as stupid a concept as air conditioning in an igloo. But it’s kind of cool.
Not all guns have to be super practical. Guns are fun. If you think a gun is fun and cool then that gun isnt stupid.
@@anonymousanglo1169 I can't imagine a .410 derringer would be fun, just painful.
@@mauer594 it would be a cool gun to have in your collection. You dont have to shoot all your guns.
TFB TV - "Taking the R51 apart for cleaning might be the worst experience of my life"
ME- Laughs in Ruger Mark 2
Actually the field strip is the easy part. But the trigger lock work is pure nightmare with one way plastic innards.
Mine required a trip to Huntsville for some quality time with a Rem armorer. After replacing a few major parts and all my mages it now perfectly reliable. I never had discomfort when firing the pistol, but did put after-market wood grips that fill the hand better. I trust mine, but I don’t recommend them to anyone. Probably will buy a couple more mags so I can go ahead and send them to Remington for repair.
I saw this video and the first thing I said out loud was "It's a discontinued gun review, it's probably gonna be Hop"
BTW my good man if you wanna be punished by a pistol check out the Polish P64.
Absolutely spot-on. The P64 is the least fun thing you can do with the palm of your hand.
If you want a callous on your finger, get a nagant revolver.
@@SCSlimBoiseID I could not agree more. I bought one from Southern Ohio Gun just because I could get it with my Curio & relic License. I have taken it to the range once and never intend to again.Instead I purchased an M&P Shield 9mm and love it.
Actually I have no complaints about my P64s. Alternative grips do exist for them. So do alternative main springs, magazine releases and magazines (i.e., modified P84 mags).
Ruger LCP is even more uncomfortable to shoot. The p64 radom is accurate as hell I love that gun but it does recoil like a little bastard
“Spikey geometric vomit” lmao
I have one and am happy with it. It's accurate, low recoiling and has failed once only during the first magazine through it. I think it was factory goo or lubricant as the failure was a light strike or maybe ammo. I have since put over 500 rounds of various 9mm ammo through it and it keeps chugging away.
Mine runs great as well. Most people who trash it have zero experience with it. They just parrot whatever these youtubers have to say.
@@mickbowling4412 see mine worked perfectly fine as well but I attribute it partly to my own process. I soak a new gun in lube when I get it after I clean it. Then I reassemble it and I use heavy choke tube grease. Then for a few hours each night I rack the snot out of it slowly. I know my system works cause it made my R51 dead nuts reliable. Unfortunately it’s semi retired now owing to the lack of spare parts with the demise of big green and it’s unlikely that Ruger will want y to support a competing gun to its own EC9 series
It's the best pistol ever made...
... for horror movies
We need to push them off on North Korea like it's the greatest pistol ever made.that military will carry them for the next 60 years and that will be the only success other than being cheaper than Taurus
@@vulcanraisin8859 😂😂😂👏👏👏
@@scameme2610 and what's funnier than north Korea carrying them? Two thing actually 1. The Koreans will act like they can fly the r51 to the moon and 2. Classic firearms will be selling them as "amazing" "exotic" "looks like it's only ever fired a few shots"
Hairless Wookiee R51 actually looks like a gun...unless the horror movie is also a comedy
Good review Hop.
You're like the thinking mans James Reeve.
LMAO. 😆😆
The pants wearing man's James Reeve.
The not daytime drinking James Reeves.
(mag falls out), Hop: "Why?"
really like ur style of gun reviews. keep up the good work
Why are these pistols still a thing? Remington has ruined whatever reputation they had left when they released this. Ones that work are the exception... a Hi Point would be better
Absolutely refuse to do business with Remington products.
Austin Irwin same here. I love the 870 but would never buy a new one. And they even ruined Marlin, a company that I used to love.
You could buy two used hi points for what this thing cost.
mr220v I’m sure he loved it and praised it. Just like American Rifleman did. Then Tim from MAC got one and it fired out of battery and the rear sight fell off
mr220v have you seen the other 20 reviews that has issues? I’m glad yours worked but that does not mean that all of them did. Remington is a company that deserved to fail for making the crap they put out now and providing terrible customer service and quality control
Look at the beaver tail from beneath. The scene at 6:14 might give you some idea. There is a groove in it for grip safety lever. However the groove extends further back more than technically necessary and will make two cuts into the web of your hand by very sharp 90-degree edges. Needs a dremmel job plus rebluing the aluminum frame. I guess a glove on the right hand will also work, at least until it is ruined by those two edges. Remington needs to extend the grip safety lever another 3/16" backwards to fill this groove entirely of remove this groove altogether.
I have to say that with the many firearm review channels and personalities out there you rank in the top 3 for me. You, Brandon Herrera( and I’m not an AK guy) and Grand Thumb. Keep it up. I love your blatant honesty.
" grand thumb "... OMG...lol
I've just gotta say that out of all the TFB reviewers I enjoy your reviews the most. Thanks man, keep up the great work!
thanks
This is quite possibly the best review of any handgun I have ever watched....and believe me I have viewed many. Keep the ROFL's coming, you rock.Isn't this gun actually based on a Browning design?
Really good video. I'd been critical of you in a comment on a previous video, but you're excellent in this one. Very informative on a pistol that I once had high hopes for. Keep up the good work!
Hop, your narration is awesome and your vernacular also stellar. Looks like your shooting around my part of the country in Western Washington.
I think there mistake was trying to mess with a Petterson design
Many people suspected that the problem was the incompatibility of the steel breech block and the alloy frame. The original had a steel frame and few issues.
dbmail545 Remington should have went with a polymer frame with small steel inserts for rails. Instead they use full size aluminum rails (more surface area for friction, crud buildup and wear), that will gaul after the anodizing wears away, then eventually crack.
I think their mistake was not making exact copies of the .45acp version they had sitting in their own museum, then offering that in .45 and 9mm double stack. Instead they decided to 'modernize' the design and the materials and add plastic parts to the lockwork.
His smile and optimism: gone
This guy has optimism? Even his rare elated review is uber-reserved. He's absolutely brutal to anything that doesn't make the grade.
TacShooter He is incredibly deadpan in general but I wouldn’t say he’s brutal, maybe sometimes but only when it’s obviously deserved.
Most entertaining video in awhile. Thanks.
Never had any experience with the R51 but my pops bought a Remington RM380 about 2 months ago and when we were able to shoot it, it was a pleasant shooter ...never failed when we had it at the range ...
HRFUNK just now posted video of the return of his R51 from Remington, for the second time. It failed again.
Got to love funk he's the man
mr220v you must work for Remington
@@mr220v are you remington? please stop following me....
Hop: "Hey Ciph3r should I buy a remington R51?"
Ciph: "No, they're bad. Borderline dangerously so."
Hop a WEEK later.: "so I bought an R51, its bad."
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Hop, you're my favorite presenter on here. Please keep doing what you're doing as I thoroughly enjoy your perspective. I always look forward to your next video!
Clint Smith “why do you think you will get into a fight with YOUR gun?” My luck has an R51 in the battlefield pickup inventory...Hop! I’m so glad you review the water trash no one else wants to review. It has to be done and you do it well!
I'd rather buy a Makarow any day of the week!
I love my Bulgarian makarov
For $200 I'd go for a Taurus G2C which actually runs.
My Millennium is great, especially for the low cost. Not high end but better than this turd because it reliably works.
I bought a security-9 last march for a little over 200 and have put nearly 1000 rounds through it without a single malfunction. It's not the fanciest gun out there but damn Ruger made it great in my experience with it.
there are atleast 1/2 dozen 9mm and .40 cal pistols out there you can buy for 200-250 that are excellent guns.
thumb safety sheild 9 and 4 1.0
G2c and S
Bersa bp9cc
ruger ec9s
and that doesn't include used guns. hell recoil gun works has used m&p 40s for $259!
Got my G2C with Viridian Laser accessory, love it!
@@MrSGL21 yup. Tons of guns at $250-ish (give or take).
I have a g2c. I can hardly hit shit with it at the range, but it runs great (in defense of the gun, I'm a terrible shot).
You know, I got a couple of these at under $200/each. They've worked great. I like this pistol, and it works for me. It's been reliable, and I have been running average (S&B, Geco) rounds, nothing Gucci.
I have an R51. At the beginning I had a few issues, jamming, but it did not last long. The more I used it and cleaned it, it is flawless. Eats all types of brass. A++
The PT Cruiser of guns: unique retro styling, but very unreliable. The only difference is the PT was a sales success for a while
Based on past experience, even though THEY SAY THEY HAVE IMPROVED QUALITY CONTROL, I will never, ever , ever buy a Remington firearms again!
Even their shotguns are trashy now. I have never wanted to see a gun manufacturer go out of business. But cmon remington
I bought an R51 about 6 weeks ago. I got it home and was getting familiar with it (shooting range wasn't open). After a couple hours I was thinking I had wasted my money. I had problems racking a round from a full mag, rounds stovepiping, mag release button was hard to push, etc. Took it to the range and had some similar issues as the reviewer, but kept taking it back to shoot some more and started noticing fewer misfeeds. At home in the evenings I started practicing racking the first couple rounds from the mag while watching tv, cycling between magazines. It started loosening up even more. After about 400 rounds through it and the racking at home, it seems to be working well now. I also thought it was dropping the mag sometimes. I finally realized that I was doing that to myself. The mag release button sits so close to flush with the body around it, it's easy to get your thumb on it when gripping it to either fire or rack the slide. Once I started watching my thumb position, no more dropped mags. I've never had it pinch the web of my hand, and I love the grip safety, nor do I find it painful to shoot. It's a thin gun, so it's not going to be as comfortable in a man's hands as a fuller grip. And it does shoot a little high, but I found that if I put the front sight dot on the target instead of at the 6:00 position, it's very accurate. I can shoot this gun more accurately than my full size .40. It's not my favorite gun, but is' a helluva deal and reliable once broken in. I read below where someone contacted Remington and they sent him new mags that stopped all the issues. I may do that as well. EDIT: But yes, takedown is painful until you get the hang of it.
Thanks for your honesty 👍
I'm right there with you Hop. I love the looks and wish it was a reliable/fun-to-shoot firearm.
While I've never shot one (but was soo close to grabbing one off CTD), even though I love the looks, I can't get over the amount of negative and reliable info I've seen (this video included to the pile) that display the unfortunate failure of this pistol.
Maybe one day we'll get a gun that fits all those criteria.
I bought an R51 a few months back for about $250 all said and done. I absolutely love it. I have never had a malfunction in about 400-500 rounds, which I know isn't a whole lot but it seems to be performing much better than many other R51's at this juncture. In my opinion, if you come across the R51 for $250 or less, you should definitely give it a shot...so to speak.
Thanks so much for doing a video on the R51 Hop! I know it's just coincidence but i have commented about it on your channel several times, so I basically got a birthday wish lol
Hoppy birthday
Thank you for the informative video..
I'd rather get a Hi-Point for the same price. At least it's reliable when I need it.
I really wanted to like this gun. Love the look.
I have one and it's far from my favorite but I've never had any of the problems he describes.
Thank you! I never knew a gun review could be so AMUSING...
Another interesting Hopp video. 👍🏻
I was initially excited for something that would effectively be a modern Makarov. I was looking for sleek ccw. Most options, now, are fat and for some reason have rails on them?
Yeah same. Broke my heart when the reviews started rolling in
I was in the same exact boat with the same question. I went with a Kahr CW9, and customized it with Galloway Precision springs, stainless striker rod, stainless guide rod, Magguts to improve the magazine, and I'm completely happy. Planned all of the upgrades and put them in before first firing. Wanted best performance, saw no reason to dork around a little bit at a time.
Really wanted the 51 but there it is.
@@Ni999 as one engineering nerd to another would it be possible to swap out the internals of an R51 for stuff that actually works?
@@firestorm165 I don't know the answer but I would offer some observations. I watched enough of Ian on Forgotten Weapons to discover that recreating gun designs are no different from other things I was already familiar with. We have the Saturn and Apollo blueprints, why don't we just go back to the moon?
The blueprints don't explain the art of the day in the tools used, the processes used with those tools, the sensitivity points to tweak the manufacturing in place to achieve the designs, the full material properties assumed by each of the parts to make the design work, and the tests required to ensure material quality, fit, and individual adjustments. And the guys that know are gone. Next, let's take the Luger. Lugerman has finally recreated some Lugers - they're completely reliable, at least far far more so than other custom attempts. You can order one today for delivery late next year. It will cost in the neighborhood of more than $9k, and he's got a shop set up to make them as quickly as possible. He figured all of that out starting with the plans.
So, is it possible to replace the 51 internals and get it to work? Maybe. But if true, we're going to have put on our big boy pants and write some big checks to find out how.
I'd suggest the Walther CCW.
I almost bought one of these months back, glad I didn't lol
@Eric Pro I opted for an FMK which is a little bit better lol
Great Vid Hop!
This is the best review I have ever seen!
Thank goodness I listened to my gut when this gun came out and didn’t buy. Many a time I saw that price and thought about it... 😳
Someone needs to take a CZ-52 apart and make it into a compact 9mm. Love the roller locking, and the three I've owned have all been utterly reliable.
Why 3 then?
@@arthurragan1332, because they are a BLAST to shoot. Literally.
As in the ammo has no powder coating to keep down the muzzle flash from unburned powder exiting the bore upon firing. It seriously has a muzzle blast that falls somewhere in between a .44 Mag and a .500 S&W.
I mean it is HUUUGE!!
Want one? I'm turning loose of mine with 995 rounds of ammo and 11 total mags. Hit me up if you are interested.
I just dont shoot it any more and at my age I'm divesting myself of most of my guns.
@Cyrus Freeman yeah the grip is about as comfy as a 2x4
@@arthurragan1332 two to sell at a profit and one to keep
One of the few pistols that are actually legal to own in my country. Someone actually made a 9mm conversion kit for it at one point but it was pretty hit and miss
Sorry for your pain and aggravation but so glad you posted this review! I love the looks of the R51 and was going to buy one but didn't know anyone that had one to ask their opinion. If I can find one super cheap I might still get one just because I like the aesthetics of it. Thanks again, very informative.
When I was at SHOT in 2015, I stopped by the Remington booth because I had some passing interest in the R51. There were several Remington reps at the booth, but they were avoiding the R51 display like the plague. They weren't pitching it; they wouldn't even stand near it. That told me all I needed to know.
Hop is my favorite part of TFBTV.
Mine has been perfectly reliable. The last couple years of production was when they finally ironed out QC. I realize that doesn’t help the R51s made before then, and now it’s too little too late, but it needs to be said that the design isn’t inherently bad. Remington just rushed it into the market to get on the single stack pistol bandwagon.
Very good idea to revisit the Remington RP45. Cures many problems of the RP9. Both slide releases work now. Feeding problems are mostly gone due to using .45ACP. Also two hidden bonuses. The RP45 magazines fit and work in the Walther PPQ45. Those discontent with RP45 trigger function can use RP45 magazines in the PPQ45, boosting capacity to 15 rounds instead of just 12 and getting better trigger function of the Walther PPQ45. Second bonus is slide, barrel, and magazine of RP9 interchange with RP45. You can swap RP9 slide, barrel and magazine to RP45 frame to shoot 9mm Luger in an emergency. A real "budget blaster" . With 15 shots of .45ACP capacity, only the FNX45 comes close. RP45 is about half the price. Most "bang for the buck".
Sure enough, first examination showed very tight fitting and no lube. Needed a drop of oil on takedown latch to do first field strip! Latch was very hard to move without oil! Very tight factory fitting. Once stripped, found inside of slide was bone dry. Put on Rig +P Stainless Steel Lube on moving parts and worked it in. "Needle oiler" on pins of action parts and trigger moving parts. "Smoothed up" functions. Glad I did not fire RP45 straight "out of the box".
Feeling secure during corona virus disruptions.
Classic funny Hop, brilliantly funny content
Ah, the Remington R51, the gun you hate to love LMFAO!!!!
08:22 - Ahahaha! Hop, I like you, brother. You're one of my top-5 favorite gun reviewer/history teachers. But honestly, it's sad to see a once-great company (Remington), a cornerstone of firearms development, engineering, et al., go PAINFULLY down the fucking toilet.
Hell, you know Colt has had its own problems, and today they still crank out top-tier AR15/M4-family carbines. (LOL! You said it later in the video too!). Companies in the gun 'world' have come back from all sorts of horrible bullshit.
Maybe Big Green will someday make a badass comeback. For the sake of firearms manufacturing and the gun industry in general, I pray they do just that.
Anyway - I (often) digress. Thanks for the video. Sometimes I wonder if you've shot at some of the same Oregon rock pits I have.
Stay safe, Hop.
You win funniest review of 2020...so far! 😂
I was hoping for so much more from Remington!
Now that Remington closed their cash cows (dpms, Bushmaster) it will not be long before they are a memory of America's past.
I wish this gun worked. I think it’s gorgeous and a great concept.
Unfortunately I don’t trust anything from Remington anymore. Not even the 870.
TheKyleMark same
i really actually liked the concept of the action...until I saw it fail and the cleaning that goes with it
TheKyleMark I got an 870 Express magnum several years ago. The ejector separated from the frame on the 50th or so round. Sent it to Remington who sent it to a facility in Oklahoma for repair. The repair was old school drill and flush pi like they did when Remington was good. I’ll never buy another Remington firearm. It is Brownings and Benellis for me.
CaptVanO well my 870 lost the ejector about 10 years ago and I never missed it haha
This is the best R51 video ever , thanks guys
They look kinda cool on the outside, and the Pederson system is awesome. I've been saying it since they came out, if Remington can manage to make a full size double stack version with more reliable machining, and quality features(something that can compete with mid-range handguns), I'd be willing to try one.
8:22
*I can't even*
At this point he's better off throwing the pistol.
I couldn't tell if that was the casing or part of the gun at first so I slowed the playback to see. I saw it was the casing, and ended up with a laugh because he sounds like he's drunk or on drugs at .25 speed when he says it landed in his hand.
Wait. Remington made a junk gun? Nooooo.... I swear only thing I like about them these days is their ammo
Fred Burks unless it is UMC ammo
@@spraynpray I have never had a problem with 9mm 45 auto or 38 with green and white box or umc
@@beardoggin8963 that and green and white box...maybe I watch to much Paul Harrell
Fred Burks I don’t mind green and white box but UMC is junk
@@beardoggin8963 I prefer the green and white for sure...I will even use as a carry round just because I burn through it so often.
I wanted so much to get one when they came out. I am happy I waited. thanks for showing us what this is all about.
Since it’s cheap, it’d be a good subject for a video on fixing it with some simple gunsmithing. Smooth out the sharp edges on the grip safety, improve the feeding from the magazine, see if it benefits from a lighter weight recoil spring, shave off some weight from the slide to compensate, and re-blue it. Probably still not cost effective, for someone thinking of buying it, but it would be interesting to see what easy solutions Remington may have missed.
“I hate this gun, but I love this gun.” Yep. So, to that mindset, eliminate problem magazines (there are many) and accept that it is a 7 only or a 6+1 (the magazines are too oversprung for the pistol to cycle a full mag after the 1st shot at 7+1). This will eliminate the problems. I’ve shot hundreds of rounds without problem after this acceptance. I’m not experiencing the pain you talk about. Not sure what that’s about.
You may be right about filling the magazine all the way to capacity. I normally don't do that anyway (strong springs are a pain!) with any semi auto and haven't done it with my R51. And I've had NO problems with it.
It wasn't this gun. It was their shit ammo, bad quality control, and inability to correct the problem that killed them.
Huh! I only buy Remington fmj for target practice with and haven't had any problem. Can't say regarding defensive ammo though as I normally use Federal or Hornady for that.
Remington ammo is one of the only things they make that people actually like and buy so I doubt it.
Also I believe they make some decent bolt action rifles.
they cheapened out as well...Remington 890's aren't what they used to be
@@charlesdudek7713 They used to...
I love it when he reviews the garbage bin guns
Also 7:12 made me think of a police officer talking to a drunk 😂
Your reviews are some of the best, but one of these days we're ganna watch Hop chuck a pistol in a fit of frustration and we'll understand after this. Lol 🤗
WOW! P.O.S. but spelled with three S's....
My favorite part so far is this *CHOAD* in the comment section named Mr.220V calling Hop and bitch and saying the R51 is great and everyone that has issues is lying lol
obviously a remington exec. or perhaps the owner 😆
The R51 is the biggest piece of shit I've ever wasted money on. The Remington brand is worthless, won't even buy ammo with the name on it.
love your honest opinions
This has to be the best review to watch with my morning coffee. Almost cathartic watching so many failures haha