Does the 14th Amendment prohibit Trump from running for president?
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- Katie Couric talks with Laurence Tribe, professor emeritus of constitutional law at Harvard University, about whether the 14th Amendment prevents Donald Trump from running for president. They also discuss the state and federal trials that Trump is facing.
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Every American should listen to this interview.
I tried to share this via Gmail, it was not allowed!
😂 Indeed! We could all use the laughs.
This needs an update
Yes..if you can get past Katie Couric.
Just don't have no law enforcement against white people in Satan country
We're trying to figure out why our legal system isn't doing it's job right. 😡 too much doing nothing
Congress can prevent this once precedent is set. Voters Rights Acts.🗳️🟦
It's almost like u clowns are scared you'll lose the election
Not only do we have the justice system failing to protect the American people but we also have the legislature unwilling to discipline its members. From Marjorie Taylor Greene poster board pornography violating private citizens and professional ethics during a congressional hearing to Nancy Pelosi being unwilling to discipline the squad back in the day for whatever they were pulling at the beginning of their terms. The bribery abounds and if they refuse to legislate to hold themselves accountable then they should have to wear jackets showing patches of all the corporations and bribes that they are taking that stop them from protecting the will of individual voters. Shame on all of them
DOING ITS JOB. YOU MEAN ABUSING. NO MANY PRAYERS OVER HIM OUR GOD IS STRONGER..
People are afraid....
Never fear man, fear God.
What a nice man. I’d love to be in one of his classes at Harvard. People like him are the good people of our world. 🍂🍃🌈
You’ve done us a great favour by getting Prof Tribe to speak for over half an hour. Pure gold. Thank you.
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Thank you Katie from bringing Lawrence to us. He is such a fine man ❤
* for bringing
Why isn't it been used, what good is it having constitution, trump has already torn it up
Lawrence Tribe is amazing! America needs him right now.
How can you not love Professor Tribe. He has contributed so much to our society as well as to the legal world in the world of law and education, and he is just such a lovely lovely human being.
Thanks Katie.This is worth watching all the way through.
I DO love him!
Laurence Tribe is such a wonderful, gracious gentleman and a great American. It's always an honor to hear him speak. This is a wonderful interview.
Katie, thank you for having Lawrence Tribe on your show. He's the man to listen to when it comes to Constitutional law and more! I love the both of you for defending the Constitution and for being Pro Democracy! We all need to listen to you both! 🤗💖💖
Katie asks excellent questions. What is on everybody's minds.👍
I really like Prof. Tribe given plenty of time to speak and respond. Sometimes on other news outlets, there are time constraints and I'm always left wanting more of Prof. Tribe.
@@melanies.6030 That’s how I feel about many of the guests on CNN, MSNBC, etc they never allow enough time for them to really expound on the issue at hand
I think Kamala Harris would have to break this truth of disqualification to the insurrectionist Donald Trump...which is in a state of denial...
Great interview Katie Thank you also Professor Tribe for the excellent explanation.
I deeply appreciate Professor Tribe’s comment about racism’s role in the turmoil we’re in. It needed to be said.
The judges and lawyers are always citing the defendants rights to this and that, what about the peoples rights. ? We have the right not to live in fear for the safety of our judges and witnesses and law, clerks, and ourselves. They keep saying nobody is above the law, but that’s a flat out lie. I want justice I want accountability I want transparency. Thank you for listening to my rant.
Amen and Amen!
And a HALLELUJAH!!!!!
How is it that senators and congressmen who participated in the insurrection are not ineligible to hold those seats?
They haven’t been tried yet
@@Grandhotel256 I imagine that having to try everyone that fought in the Civil War would not be reasonable. Everyone who supported the insurection after taking an oath would not be eligible. Even ex soldiers police etc because they violated that oath.
@@Grandhotel256
Neither has trump
@@theoneracer2716 yes I think that’s why he can run for office
The rule of law is not enforced equally.
Professor Tribe: You , Sir, are a national treasure in regards to the US Constitution and US legal system. Thank you for your service to the nation. May GOD Bless you and may GOD keep you going thru the end of this century and beyond.
Mokhan=stupid
"God" is what got us into this mess. The evangelicals are trump's base. "God" on both sides is the cause of the trouble in the middle east. Get rid of stupid religion and we would get rid of a large source of human problems. Religion is a silly story created by men who didn't know the earth is round.
Lol what’s joke. The people get to decide who gets another bite at the apple. Not some never was dem elite.
Thank you for this interview, Katie. You asked the right questions, and Professor Tribe answered with wisdom and clarity, as he always does.
It's great but mo one has tge guts to stop this.idiot, nevermind his senators. Speakers of the of the house that us crazy take it to tge speakers of the the house themselves are as crooked as tgey are, and sone in Congress, speakers if tge house
Omg and Jydge cannon is the worst. Aludo thomas, tonases wife it's taken them 5 years to figure this out? Crap if it was me tgat did tgat I would if been in jail for 3byearsxand mine months. Oh bulk crap trp isxa si k puppy
If he isn't disqualified, no one will ever be.
Thank you so much for this. For those of us who are not lawyers or Constitutional scholars, this explanation is so very helpful. ❤
Katie asks really good questions.
If it doesn't apply to him, then it doesn't apply to anyone.
It doesn't apply to presidency
Your guest is top quality ( Professor Tribe ). He is also a great speaker. Thank you. RS.
As an American with German - Swiss ancestry ,I find 45 quoting Adolf Hitler to be horrifying! And FYI, my Great-Uncle died on a beach in Anzio, Italy FIGHTING AGAINST FASCISTS. He was a Staff Sgt in the US Army! He was 32 when he died! He and many other WWII soldiers did NOT DIE so that their country, the USA could become FASCIST! 🤔🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Actually they fought so it turned into a socialist hell hole.. sorry to say
Truly, I'm shocked at the Colorado judge who found that Trump incited the insurrection against the government, but then concluded that presidents cannot be disqualified by 14A section 3. How can that possibly be so? How?
If the section doesn't apply to a presidential candidate, because that's all Trump is at this point, then who would it possibly apply to? Nutty, this Colorado Judge is nutty...and weak kneed.
Well, 14C3 doesn't include to POTUS under it's grasp. It simply doesn't state the POTUS is included. Consequently, the judge was unwilling to disqualify him. The case will likely be affirmed on appeal. 14C3 was litigated aggressively in the trial, they were unable to show that 14C3 specifically says the POTUS is included in it's list of positions.
why ? it was always obvious that this is where this was going to go . I am an avid never Trumper - but I never thought this was going to work - had the senate upheld his impeachment - as they should have - that would have been a different story. These legal scholars are well regarded but the law is applied in the real world .
sounds like a federalist society judge - don't know if that is true but sure is what it sounds like
It can be so because of a lack of courage on the judge's part.
I tried googling it, but they seem to be keeping it hidden, so I looked up who appointed her and he was a Democrat, I don't know if that really holds any water, but it's something.
If Tribe and Luttig agree, there’s gotta be something there.
Well what is there is that they clearly consider Trump a clear and present danger to the country - and this was a way the constitution provides for protection from him . Whether or not people who have been given the responsibility of fulfilling that is very dubious = just look around .
Yes there's something there alright, 2 democrats telling lies again!!
You betcha!
Even if it wasn’t, there isn’t a judge with the balls to take him off the ballot, they are all afraid of him.
It's Sickening!
How many people have gone to jail and/or have had their lives and livelihoods destroyed? So many people.
The obvious question here is: How could the US military continue to fulfill their oath to support and defend the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and obey the president, if the president was someone who had previously not only engaged in, but who had also instigated, an insurrection against the lawful government of the USA?
Trump said he’ll kick them all out first day in office and make his own.
You know his thugs will try something similar again. Ask Bannon.
@@lorrainevezeau-kq3jgjust like hitler or stalin
Very good question? The oath officials swear will be rendered pointless
@@lorrainevezeau-kq3jg That's a perfect example of Trump's simplistic comic-book mentality.
In the complex adult world of reality, it would be impossible to replace all the oath-bound US miltary who could not serve under a president who would be a threat to the US Constitution.
Another very in-depth interview on this topic. Holding my breath until the Colorado supreme court hears it.
SCOTUS bound.
I look foreward to your sadness on the issue. 😂
Overwhelmingly, I stand with the
🇺🇲USA Constitution and my favorite Scholars Professor Tribe, Judge Luttig. Katie you are a JEWEL. So glad to hear Professor Tribe's continued affirmative interpretation of the 14th Amendment & Sections. Your teachings on Constitutional law are part of my higher learning educational experience; indeed, THANK YOU!
Excellent interview, Katie. It's hard to go wrong with Professor Tribe and you asked some great questions. I could listen to him for hours.
We need to keep him as far away from the Oval Office as possible
and all his minions...
Maybe we can use the remaining Mexico wall to keep trump at bay.
14th or not, a criminal should be barred from any office, including the presidency.
What you've said is is true and correct!
Especially the presidency.
He hasn't been convicted...of anything. And he's running.
Criminals can’t vote, but they can become POTUS? WTF?!
Then the Republican Party should close and lock their doors!
I had no idea that we had such anti government people in our country. This is outrageous that you could hold office or be a judge and support an insurrection. Vote them out!
How can you have an "insurrection" when no one has been charged with, tried for and convicted of "insurrection"? And yes, there is a law that deals with this concept: 18 USC 2383.
What if the election was rigged?
What insurrection?
very important message. please vote.
open your eyes.
there was no rebellion.
no amount of ruffians at the capitol thought they could have changed the government of this nation.
Great presentation by Dr. Tribe, a very knowledgeable expert and, as usual, Katie Couric asks the questions we would ask. Thank you.
A sharp, insightful and eloquent elder speaker for democracy.
Couric was great on network television, but I’m really impressed how she shows off her journalistic talents on her podcast. I hope she hangs around!
Wow! I am a liberal and I really like Professor Tribe...but this interview conducted by Katie Couric is a
shame due to Ms. Couric. Her voice is annoying, her arrogance is annoying, her questions are annoying.
@@janetritchie7499 Oh, no…you got that all wrong. Quit being partisan for like two minutes and you will come to see her for the natural that she is.
I believe Professor Tribe is exactly correct & in the court of morality & justice as well, but the judge in Colorado just shot it down, I believe yesterday. He admits Trump was wrong yet moves to leave him on the ballot. How does America hold to its principles when judges like this make these kinds of decisions? One more defeat for the freedom of America & all that it represents. One more judge giving strength to corruption.
He's running to keep HIMSELF OUT OF PRISON !
EXACTLY. Plans to pardon himself for federal crimes if convicted and is planning to invoke Insurrection Act on Day One of his presidency and wield our military AGAINST HIS ENEMIES.
Susan,EXACTLY
Please invite Laurence Tribe back now that the Colorado verdict is in. I was stunned by the judge's decision and would like to hear what both Tribe and Luttig think of the argument behind the decision.
Love your interviews, Katy. Very informative.
I agree.
@@fullofnonsense-dn5ni thanks, I'll see if I can find that.
I thought he already said it’s up to the presiding judges in how they view the written context. So, obviously they saw it differently
@@750dollarman2 yes, I'm just struggling to accept the idea that those who wrote and approved the 14th amendment intended for a President or VP to be able to coup and then coup again, to insurrect and insurrect again. Seems hard to fathom that that would have been the intent.
And now again…
Thank you for this sober conversation - I am perplexed by many things - one in particular - how is that in many states convicted felons who have served their sentences are not able to vote, but a convicted felon can run for, and serve as President of the US. This is crazy making.
SPOT ON, my state won't even put air conditioning in the FOR PROFIT jails.
DeathSINTas* revoked Felons from voting! Texas extended more restrictions for parolees and jailed one for voting with a valid registration. Thank Senator Hughes for #1 voter Suppression laws over last few years. Gov. Abbott signed them.
45 has not been convicted in a Federal court YET
Many state laws conflict with federal laws!!!
EX: Marijuana laws. Now Dobbs vs Roe is at issue.
For the record, typically to make it illegal for any felon who has served their time to still not be able to vote is exactly what red-ruled states do.
That's because typically the black & brown-skinned felons tend to vote for Democrats! And NOW, that same political tribe, Rethuglicons--bent on keeping or stealing power happens to have a cult leader that is running for president & they don't want anyone stopping that!
If ANY Democratic candidate was indicted, like Dump-not even convicted, know that EVERY Rethuglicon would be raising hell!!
Rethuglicons don't want every American to vote. They've believed the fewer ppl vote, the better off they are. And they are right. This has been their mantra since 1977.
It's Rethuglicons that passed over 500 voter suppression bills in the past few years.
It's Rethuglicons that have gerrymandered their states so they don't have to change any of their policies for their voters, & keep power over any Democrat that may run.
That's also why they love electoral college so that their loser candidate has a greater chance to take power over the more popular candidate.
Rethuglicons hate rule by majority. Their state laws favor them to stay in power.
That’s a sober thought too! And one that needs an answer.
Everyone knows the answer : it is stupid
Thank you for this discussion. It is very uncomfortable to hear, but absolutely critical to hear and understand.
There are multiple places in the Constitution that use the words, "Office of the President". How she could claim that the President is not an "officer" is insane.
Office of the president doesnt make Potus an officer under Section 3. Chief Justice Roberts in 2010 stated elected officials are not officers
@@mrjerzheel At the time the 14th Amendment was adopted, that distinction did not exist. Get real -- it is impossible that the 14th Amendment was intended to apply to every office at any level in the entire country except the most important one. The judge is a coward, terrified of the orange traitor's threats.
Hi Katie, this was very informative and I hope that the Supreme Court eventually will have this and can rule on this issue applying the Constitution for a just verdict. God willing, our country and our lives depend on it!
I couldn't agree more
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Oh God, we have to trust and depend on a corrupt Sup.Ct to make a reasonable and fair ruling on a former president to which many of them support? We can't fall much lower than that.
Bwahahahaha.
@@jerry42023Even conservative members of SCOTUS cannot dispute the law.
*31:36*
Those words actually made my eyes well up.
It truly moved me to tears.
'A landslide against
the enemies of
The Constitution'
Welcome and thank you Professor Lawrence
Thank you so much Professor Tribe for this constitutional education on this controversial topic. Your enlightenment was eloquently succinct to its clarification.
The most troubling part of the Colorado judge's ruling is that she found that Trump engaged in insurrection yet can still run on the ballot in Colorado. That simple fact shows how broken our system of justice is.
Precedents required, but I get your gist.
@@jannichi6431 and this is why her decision is so sad. She is a coward. She could have set the precedent. It is beyond comprehension how she can say Trump engaged in insurrection and yet he can be on the ballot, when all others that have or would do the same thing cannot be on the ballot. She took the easy way out.
Remember, there is always a first for each precedent. Trump is clearly an elected official, who held office, and swore to uphold the Constitution.
Wow, one person's opinion
@@jamesdavis8731 The Amendment also states those holding military offices, the President is the Commander in Chief of the military.
It further states those giving comfort to insurrectionists.
The Colorado judge found that he did participate in an insurrection. By that ruling, those congressmen and others that also participated, should be disqualified as well.
Whole thing is pretty comical considering the only insurrection is stupidity taking over liberal brains. A guided tour is not an insurrection just cause you don’t like Trump. Sorry
Listening to the lies in this interview is disturbing. Trump never said he would go after his opponents. He said what’s happening now is setting a terrible precedent that future presidents could continue to abuse just like moron Biden is doing now. How much do these guys get paid to sell their souls to the devil by pushing this evil narrative. I pray for this country and everyone suffering from TDS. Katie and this moron are evil. So sad
Perhaps Professor Tribe could explain this to the judge who just ruled yesterday that, although Trump engaged in an insurrection, he is still eligible to be on the ballot.
The rule of law is so important to our society, but sometimes “the law is an ass”.
It's just judicial cowardice! acts like that could loose the US their democracy!!...history will judge them disgracefully!
Scathing decision if 100 pages. Please read. She's done Supreme courts work for them!
There will be an appeal.
That depends on the laws of each state.
Thank you Katie for this interview. And thank you Mr. Tribe for your presenting your learned experience on these matters. I only hope our citizens will vote in 2024 using good judgment. Obviously, past experience has shown a large number of citizens have a limited view of their actions.
It's so good to see Lawrence Tribe. I so appreciate hearing from him discussing the 14th:3 amendment because it has been weighing heavily on my mind as to why the GOP knowing this would still be endorsing him?
Thank you for reporting on this very important issue, Katie.
Now that the judge in Colorado has ruled in favor of ol’ Donnie being listed on the state’s ballot, I’ll be anxious to see how the Colorado Supreme Court rules on it …
Other states too, ultimately a Supreme Court decision. Guessing after Primaries and election.
But I believe the judge also found that T had indeed incited an insurrection.
About the polls… we have to look at who was called…calling same people or one party? We need to see fact checking.
@@joko09010 correct, she did indeed. Maybe some further charges, or a prosecution, will result from THAT finding. 👍👍
@@jodestella2746 agreed. One of the CZcams commentators did a review of those recent polls ~ I forget who did the review, but it turned out that a huge percentage of the folks polled had NOT even voted in the previous presidential election. To me, that makes the poll somewhat bogus, from the git-go ….
When center-left Lawrence Tribe who literally wrote the book on Constitutional Law--we studied from it in law school--and highly respected conservative Federal Judge Michael Luttig agree, its time to pay attention!
YES !! LISTEN TO THESE BRILLIANT TEACHERS
No conservatives left in Red Party. Just Anti-democratic Radicals that HATE ALL Government.
So lucky to have great professors. Congrats. Colleges are under attack and being selectively targeted, just like many cities.💔
Glad Texas House voted down Vouchers. 4th attempt by Gov Abbott and Lt. Gov Patrick. See Project 2025 Heritage to know why Theological Oligarch's are who they answer to🤮
Center left? Center left these days is practically communist.
The main issue that seemed to bug the judges in the other cases I listened to was the task of defining insurrection. Now that the Colorado judge determined him to be an insurrectionist, the language in the 14th amendment clearly means any office, and any office means any office. If you can’t be a representative, or serve in the army, then how in the hell can someone serve as president? This tyrant must be stopped. The court has a chance to do that and they need to follow the constitution.
Ur not a lawyer your don't understand the speaking of legalism!
You don’t even know what ‘legalism’ means.
The biggest problem with your comment is that Trump has NOT been ruled an insurrectionist by a Federal Court (due process). The DOJ ruled there was no proof/evidence to accuse/try/convict Trump of insurrection. So from the Federal level (and the LESSER State level) Trump is NOT an insurrectionist. Insurrection is a Federal level crime and cannot be ruled on by State Courts. The Judges "mention" that Trump was an insurrectionist is from his own bias, and the statement has no legal standing. Trump is not an insurrectionist unless (or until) a FEDERAL Court convicts him of insurrection (again, that is Due Process). The bottom line is that UNTIL Trump is convicted in Federal Court of insurrection, Trump is NOT an insurrectionist...and the 14th Amendment is irrelevant. This has been tried many times before in US election history, and always fails because States cannot find citizens guilty of Federal Crimes. As per SCOTUS:
Ableman v. Booth, 62 U.S. 506 (1859) State courts cannot issue rulings that contradict the decisions of federal courts.
Mr. Tribe articulates this information, beautifully. Everyone should see this! Thank you.
This needs to be in court ASAP. Do not wait two years to bring this to trial. The court system moves way too slow. This is all legal bull shit if they do not get this to trial.
Thank you Katie Couric for addressing this vital issue. I sure hope Prof. Tribe’s remark inspires Chris Christie could take Trump to court. He’s the only candidate who would not pardon Trump.
I really hope you're right. Christie has gone back and forth too much to be relied upon.
NO way is Katie a Grand MA!!! Where has the time gone? Thank you BOTH for this interview!!
Laurence Tribe is now my idol. I don't want to dig deeply to understand Constitution and politics, but his explanations, his knowledge ( I know good ones when I hear one) and clarity of the words are so educational for me, at least even a little bit, it has big impact.
Wallace in CO pulls a fast one in closing remarks saying the president isn't mentioned. SMH
I think he's afraid of trump's unhinged base.
Nor is he excluded.
I love discussions with Laurence Tribe. He really is a National Treasure.
Thank you so much for explaining the Amendments,
Outstanding interview! Thank you
Katie, thank you for bringing this to us, and thank you Prof. Tribe for your calm words of wisdom. Frankly, I'm weeping.
VOTE!
VOTE FOR JOE BIDEN AND HARRIS 4 more years greatest years to come VOTE for Adam FRISCH in Colorado Springs 😀 🙌 ❤️ 💙
What a joke they are!
@@DebbieAppelhansthat's funny. biden will not be running. Everyone knows that. Besides he's a corrupt politician and has been selling us out for years. The question is, how you don't know that?
Authoritarians succeed where the laws and courts show weakness. And the US courts and laws have not reacted decisively. They continue to re-write the laws to accommodate one man! If the judiciary does not face up to this very real threat and apply the laws of the land without fear or favour authoritarianism will take advantage of that weakness
Because the Red Party CAN!!!
Vote true 🔵
Thank you Katie. We need these intelligent conversations.
This guy is so good at explaining, forecasting, and giving perspective in very easy to understand manner. Thanks - mahalo - aloha.
You don't have to be a scholar to figure out that the 14th Amendment, section 3 absolutely disqualifies Trump from running for any office EVER AGAIN!!!!
He's dangerous to our democracy!
WRONG BECAUSE TRUMP DIDN'T COMMIT AN "INSURRECTION" HE WASN'T EVEN NEAR THE CAPITOL AND APPROVED 10,000 MILITARY TROOPS FOR CAPITOL SECURITY ON JAN.4TH.
Actually, unfortunately, it doesn't.
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State...... "
I think I've figured this out. The 14th amendment , Section 3 includes everyone except the President. The President isn't specifically a civil or military office. I'm guessing that the writers of the amendment intended for the Electoral College to handle the case involving a Presidential candidate. Oops!! Congress CAN enact special legislation to exclude him, but.....
Liberals really do live in one very delusional world
Will need a new congress for that. There are conservatives that should help enact the legislation but just won't! Cowards who will cause all of use to suffer greatly!@@justintyme2451
I am concerned that Trump is not already in prison, and I am pleased Professor Tribe is treating this issue very seriously. As an Australian watching from a distance, I ask Americans to seriously consider Trump’s threat.
Thanks, Katie, wonderful presentation ! ❤️❤️. 🇱🇷🇱🇷💙💙🗽🇱🇷🇱🇷💙💙🗽🇱🇷🇱🇷💙💙🗽🇱🇷🇱🇷
On Friday 17th the Colorado Judge found that Trump did engage in insurrection but could remain on the ballot as the 14th amendment does not specifically state "The President".
It will be interesting to see what the Appeal Court makes of that!
They will probably affirm. 14C3 just doesn't state or list the POTUS. It's just that simple. There is reason to believe he MIGHT be included in the admendment but it is simply not clear. if the framers wanted the POTUS to be included that would have stated by title. Simple and clear cut.
@@jamesyoungblood6231 I think "the framers" would have thought it was not conceivable that a person who committed insurrection could possibly run for President!
It seems nonsense to prevent all the other categories from running but deliberately leave out the President.
But I agree, who knows what the Courts will decide.
America appears to have gone INSANE!
@@jamesyoungblood6231hi. Can you please explain this in laymen’s?
@@jamesyoungblood6231 so the POTUS can try to overthrow the government (engage in insurrection or rebellion), but the rest of us can't......OK
Being on the ballot is not the same as being sworn in. Seems to me it's saying an insurrectionist can run all they want but they'll never hold the seat.
Thank you, Professor Tribe, for speaking the truth. And continuing to do so- in the face of the insurrectionists.
Panicking over the release of the J6 tapes yet?
Fedsurrection 😂
Thank you for keeping us informed. I have been watching you all my life, and you are still doing great journalism.
Katie thanks for bringing Laurence Tribe... These are some of the things I've been saying for some time...
Tick tock tick tock....(we probably shouldn't hit snooze...or we all will lose)
Here is what I've been saying for months, and even about someone like Trump coming to power as far back as 2011 as it related to a Lecture Series I did on Deitrich Bonhoeffer... So these have been my comments most recently, capturing some of my long-ago comments as well...
Once indictment and successful prosecution take place, I have to hope that we will be better than Germany was during Hitler's time. I pray there are more conservatives who have read and are aware of the history, who ultimately understand if they allow Trump back in office we will be the 4th Reich, and who will come to our rescue?!... This is what I've said over and over again...about what is next, and how important this moment is in our nation.
We need more conservatives like Liz. I know she and I would disagree on a number of issues, but on this issue and in a general way such a conservative is who we need in charge of the grand old party...
Thanks for your report... we need good strong honest conservatives back speaking to the public... Democrats need Republicans, Republicans need Democrats, and both need a few honest independents to keep this democracy thing afloat...
now a bit of history...ethics...and philosophy...a bit of theology...and etymology (with a bit of humor for good measure)
For those many in the GOP who still are on the Trump bandwagon, the end does not justify the means...
(the best for democracy is the ends and the means) the more familiar "end justifies the means" is simplistic and short-sighted. MAGA Trumpians apparently think the likes of Steve Bannon who are anarchists will bring them back into power and security. Well, Neitzche's sister thought the same thing and edited his materials well used by Hitler... We need to read CS Lewis Dymer, and just remember the history, to see how that worked out for them. Here is my take on another earlier comment...on another current revelation re. some of this. a little bit of philosophy -- nominalism... Again ask Hitler how that worked out for him, ask Alex Jones what he thinks of Nietzsche, and again has anyone read CS Lewis's narrative poem Dymer... Kafka the Trial or in German Der Prozeß or Metamorphasis. This is where we are going, if not already there, not a good place and even those who think they want this kind of new power, it's not so new, and in the end, it's not all that it's cracked up to be... Here is my take on all this trumpery (see definition at the end)
those who blindly follow I would say deserve what they get...where did the conservatives with a backbone go... there are very few who still have anything like a real conservative agenda, just follow the leader, or as Bonhoeffer suggested of Hitler, the "Misleader." I'm glad for today's revelations, ... And I do pray he will come to trial. I do hope he will be prosecuted to the full extent for the crimes committed, but ... and this is a big but, I still stand by what I've said earlier again and again...Even if Trump is put in Jail and serves time, economic and other issues as in Germany at the time of Hitler (runaway inflation, the inability of either side to govern, etc., and so so much more in parallel at present [it only took ten years there])... REMEMBER THIS:
Hitler was thrown in Jail after his failed Beer Hall Putsch, then in Jail wrote "Mein Kampf," followed by being "democratically" elected. The rest is history, we've been there and done that. The following quote from Metaxas:
"On January 30, 1933, at noon, Adolf Hitler became the democratically elected chancellor of Germany. The land of Goethe, Schiller, and Bach would now be led by someone who consorted with crazies and criminals, who was often seen carrying a dog whip in public. The Third Reich had begun."
Metaxas, Eric. Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy (p. 138). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.
For the following, I can only say boy has conservatism changed since the early days.
It was George Santayana who, in his Reason in Common Sense, The Life of Reason, Vol. 1, wrote "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Santayana's quotation was a slight modification of an Edmund Burke (1729-1797) statement, "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it." Burke was a British Statesman and Philosopher who is generally viewed as the philosophical founder of modern political conservatism.
Another reminder from the "Book of Confession" (Presbyterian Church [USA]) introduction to "The Theological Declaration of Barmen", these words:
"In January 1933, after frustrating years in which no government in Germany was able to solve problems of economic depression and mass unemployment, Adolph Hitler was named chancellor. By playing on people's fear of communism and Bolshevism, he was able to persuade the Parliament to allow him to rule by edict. As he consolidated his power, Hitler abolished all political rights and democratic processes: police could detain persons in prison without a trial, search private dwellings without a warrant, seize property, censor publications, tap telephones, and forbid meetings. He soon outlawed all political parties except his own, smashed labor unions, purged universities, replaced a judicial system with his own "People's Courts," initiated a systematic terrorizing of Jews, and obtained the support of church leaders allied with or sympathetic to the German Christians."
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noun (plural trumperies)
attractive articles of little value or use: None of your woolen drapery, nor linen drapery, nor any of your frippery or trumpery. I hate ostentation.
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ORIGIN
late Middle English (denoting trickery): from Old French tromperie, from tromper ‘deceive’...
Thank you! You are exactly right, and so many thanks, Katie and Professor Tribe.
The Constitution declares it so.
It is simple and straightforward.
This interview was so informative!! Thank you both!
I would love a town hall meeting being broadcast, where the Honorable judge, J. Michael Luttig and the Honorable judge, Lawrence Tribe could speak more in depth about section 3 of the 14th Admenment to the American people on prime time television.
I respect both constitutional law scholars. If folks in the audience had questions, they could ask the judges also.
The constitution, the rule of law, our military, and America's democracy are being challenged.
Thank you, Katie, for your coverage and discussion with Professor Tribe.
I'm so glad that America's Republic isn't being challenged
Congrats Katie, et al. I think your daughter waiting to be surprised IS WONDERFUL 👏 I wish you all the best.
Great session Katie & your guest is phenomenal and just in his wisdom on this issue. The threat is obvious. . 👍🏽👍🏽
Easy Peasy🗳️ democracy or dictatorship.
I don't WANT to live in an internment/concentration camp. Does your neighbor or acquaintance?
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@@jannichi6431my neighbors wouldn't want to, unfortunately they aren't bright enough to see the warning signs.
When we chat, we can use Trump's own words. Not being an alarmist here. He passes out a token treat to National Guard today, had to wonder if he's thinking 'losers' or next time he wants a soup kitchen if elected in. The cruel hypocrisy and jokes will be saved for his way to Club member owned Mar A Loco.🤬
Thank you both for a well spoken, factual conversation 👌🏽
I hope this piece is viewed in every high school civics class in the country. Thanks to both of you for a very moving conversation.
Indoctrination propaganda
Whether it’s legal or not is a moot point. It’s stupid and the whole world is laughing at the USA.
The whole world is trying to survive day by day with food and housing. Finding employment and taking care of loved ones.
Better pay attention come Primaries! Rogue party defeat is the only way out of this unconstitutional mess🗳️💙🟦🗣️
Then vote!
Actually, my part of the world is pretty fearful of the consequences if Trump gets back in! And for all the peculiarities of the USofA, the Judicial reference to The Constitution is impressive - as it should be in Constitutional Republic! It's scary to note Trump's campaign references to so many dictators he has 'great respect' for - almost as if he is planning how to apply the same tactics if h wins (or even if he doesn't!) next November!
@@rosssimpson6268 And what part of the world are you from? Because much of Europe and Australia supports Trump. Anyone else...not so important.
How about the speaker? Didn't he take part in organizing the insurrection? Why isn't he kicked out of Congress already?
This is my question too. They are listed by name in the amendment and shouldn’t hold office. They are also a menace to democracy every day they are still there.
My complaint too! I wish the DOJ would appoint a special counsel to investigate these House members who are truly involved!
Absolutely, sometimes I feel Voters and one man show Biden are the only caring peeps in USA!
There was nit insurrection....only corrupted politicians
Anyone can run for President. Not every aspirant will be entitled to assume the Presidency.
When I grew up, I was told that anyone can become President - and that message was aspirational. Since November 2016, it became a warning.
82 yrs and still quite astute and sharp intellectually,age is definitely not a barrier for anyone in any field.
🤗 That was excellent and simple clarity guides the way. He is a national treasure!!! Thank you both so much.
What is with the other judges letting trump stay on the ballots!!!???
I think that everyone knows but none want to go on record of ruling that the emperor has no clothes. (Or, for those who don’t know that story, they are afraid what will happen to them if they rule against Trump.)
Lack of courage
Cause is up to the people, not the judges or judicial system
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE vote everyone!
VOTE BLUE!!!!
thank you both , lets hope we have our judges and courts work like they should ,,, wish i can predict the future,we need to rid ur united states of the extremist in our government and land and work together as one strong country, by the people and for the people
I’m not sure any commentator predicted that the judge would find that Trump did engage in insurrection, but that a President can’t be included in the term “anyone” in the 14th Amendment.
Nor can he be excluded therefore he is included.
Yup
14th amendment doesn't apply to president...no matter how hard you wish it would..he is not SUBJECT to it's constitutional authority.
There's that pesky "Specifically Enumerated" clause in the Constitution getting in the way again.
The Constitution specifically enumerates three (and ONLY three) qualifications to run/serve as President. As a previous President, there is no possible legal argument that Trump doesn't meet those 3 requirements. Insurrection is a FEDERAL crime. Without being accused/tried/CONVICTED of insurrection by a FEDERAL Court, Trump is NOT an insurrectionist and the 14th Amendment is irrelevant. STATES cannot convict you of insurrection and the Supreme Court agrees:
Ableman v. Booth, 62 U.S. 506 (1859) State courts cannot issue rulings that contradict the decisions of federal courts.
What a great interview. Thank you so much.
Lawrence listening to you my blood pressure always seems to go down. THANK YOU!!.💙🌟💙🌟💙🌟💙
Another wonderful constitutional master class thanks to Professor Tribe.
Excellent interview!
Is it legal or not? That is the question, but another question is just as important but no one is asking, namely who will stand up to Trump and enforce that legal 14th Amendment?
SCOTUS. Then Biden can expand the Court to a dozen after being ripped off for so long. No one talks about Kennedy in Trump's no gone 'Rise Garden's Duetsche bank once again.
NY lawsuit going on now.
I would have to say what I saw live and or on tape on Jan 6th tells me, YES the 14th does disqualify him from HOLDING any office. I suppose if he wants to waste time and money running for an office he CAN'T HAVE, that's up to him. And if people are stupid enough to vote for him, it just shows how many stupid people we have here.
It’s scary to see Polls that still show so many characters supporting a former insurrectionist president. Why would ANYONE even want Trump’s name on any ballot, including the Primary? We CANNOT afford to lose our democracy and allow Trump a second term as a dictator. We need to get out the Vote BLUE message now!
Trump has ABSOLUTELY disqualified himself from ever serving in civil office again, both because of the Constitution and common sense.
Hope you will address this question again, since the judge decided the 14th does not apply. Thanks!
It should have prevented him from being a candidate. It was passed for that exact purpose. The judge made a...bad decision and the only reasonable inferences about the motivation for that bad decision...are all suggestive of bad things. Well, we know there are some really incompetent and/or complicit judges.
Laurence Tribe = True American Hero.
Professor Lawrence Tribe gave a very insightful interview. Thank you so much, sir!
(IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY OF THE CHARGES OF INSURRECTION) THEN HE IS INELIGIBLE TO RUN AGAIN ! FOR ANY OFFICE IN OUR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC! GOVERNMENT!
We have no form of any Democratic republic...go read up on our history...oh yeah and stop being wrong!
Anyone who thinks its guilty until proven inncoent should have their right to vote revoked for life.
During the civil war when this clause was used , non of the insurrectionists were found guilty but we're all barred from ever holding public office.