Winds of Winter Theory: Captain Kingmaker
Vložit
- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Hello everyone! Today I'm going over my theory as to the captain of the Myraham's role in the Winds of Winter and #asongoficeandfire as a whole.
Be sure to subscribe if you enjoyed this video! What do you think? Is there anything I missed? What do you think of #houseofthedragon so far? More #asoiaf content is on the way!
Thank you all for watching! I'll be back with more theories next week, in a collab video! Art in this video is by TheMico! Art in the thumbnail is by Zippo514 (the Euron piece) and Cristi Balanescu (the Jon Snow piece).
My Twitter: / quinnthegm
Blog post tracking Robb's Will: cantuse.wordpress.com/2014/08...
00:00 Kingdoms in Disarray
00:58 The Myraham
01:26 Theon's Voyage
02:13 King Balon's Succession
02:41 The Kingsmoot
03:50 The Captain's Return
04:10 The Captain's Report
04:47 War Council
05:11 Spreading Information
05:41 Where is Robb's Will?
06:47 The Plan
07:07 Knowledge of the Will
07:38 The Will's Location
08:01 Returning to the Isles
08:19 An Ironborn Precedent
08:56 Nullifying the Kingsmoot
09:16 The Battle of Ice
09:38 The Greyjoys' Path Forward
10:16 Theon's Potential Heir
11:06 The Winds of Winter
11:39 Bound By Fate
12:05 Or
12:17 Conclusions - Zábava
The voice in Aeron's head is probably Euron arranging his own coronation
I really like this idea!
thats some Eren Jagger level of manipulation
Euron could be using a glass candle
I thought this also.
Or Bran/Bloodraven
If I was Robb I would entrust Lord Mallister with the will too, he is the most capable Riverlord by far and one of the most competent in general. He destinguished himself in Roberts Rebellion, the Greyjoy Rebellion and his guerilla warfare against Jaime's army and later linking up with Robb's troops enabled the Battle of the Whispering Woods to happen as it did. Later he also excelled at the Battle of the Fords and Battle of the Camps. Probably Robb's best agent aside from the Blackfish.
I agree most loyal Riveralands house by far really brought a lot plus he would of been close too Ned I think his father and brother some family member were killed during Roberts rebellion by the mad king same as Neds brother and father their was a Mallister with Brandon
The captain of the Myraham hiding Theon's baby (his daughter's son) from Robb after Theon and Robb ended up at war with one another would also be a great parallel to Ned hiding Jon (his sister's son) from Robert.
maybe the captain doesn't feel the baby is safe enough with him, since both rivermen, iromen and northmen hate theon greyjoy. if they go to Jon he could be the one to hide the child in this "promise, Ned" situation.
This gives me the vibe of that clip of glidus and schwift
“dont you rememebr rennifer longwaters? The high undergaoler of the red keep?”
“No?”
Rennifer Longwaters will end up as King.
Can you link that?
@@syndicalistcat3138 glidus' video "FAKE ASOIAF THEORIES" at roughly 23:19
We can always rely on Quinn to hit us with some banger new theories 🙏
Biased propaganda
"Treating their subjects with about as much grace as the man on their sigil" 😂🎉❤
Fandom:”Theon is suffering”
GRRM:”But I thought you wanted Theon to suffer?”
Fandom:”Not this much”
You're overestimating fans compassion.
Speak for yourself I personally don't think there's enough punishment
Yeah even if they flayed him alive, i would not think it would be enough
A lot of people have theorized that the Captain's daughter was pregnant. I really wouldn't mind the kid becoming the next Lord Greyjoy (yes... I know that would be difficult).
Theon could retroactively claim her as a saltwife
@@warlordofbritannia Theon's an asshole, but he was kind of screwed over at least from the age of 10. I hope he get's something out of his ordeal. Getting a son to continue his line and rule would be good, although I'm not sure that it's going to happen.
This was brilliant! I'd completely forgotten that character even existed. My only question in terms of the possibility of nullifying the king's moot would be that it'd still involved opposing the scary man with all the bloodmagic and possible kraken. If power resides where men believe it resides, Euron would first have to lose some face and be proven not quite so powerful as he might appear
Literal who would win: atomic bomb Vs. Coughing baby
It would definitely subvert expectations if Euron's mass sacrifice goes off like a wet fart, resulting in the iron islands turning back to Theon for rulership.
Or the Miriam could just get ka-boomed
@@zaepham357yeah but subverting expectation to subvert expectations isn’t the style of GRRM. I do think however that Euron is a fraud and is far less powerful than he seems, however he is a very good fraud. He could bring kraken to the surface but probably don’t summon nor control them. I think he’s just a smart guy with a lot of knowledge that he pass as magic
@@zaepham357 or he does "summon" a kraken and it just murks euron right away lol
Its so rare and refreshing to see a theory I’ve never heard of. Great Vid
Fun theory-storming, but the problem I have with all such theories, such as “King Jon Snow” & “Princess Sand Snakes” from the show, is it would be near-impossible for any of Seven Kingdoms to accept bastard-status nobles as liege lord paramounts. Theon didn’t even take this girl as a saltwife; they barely respect Theon’s legitimacy. I’m not sure GRRM has a concrete plan to dislodge the monsters he’s installed as rulers over the different regions of Westeros
Orys Baratheon was a Targaryen bastard, and yet he became Lord Paramount
I really think Theon is going to have an arc where he rises harder and stronger and 1v1s Euron on top of a krakens fishy head
George likes to leave himself lots of open ends in case he wants to do something with it later.
yeah, guess you could say that as a gardener writer, he just loves having his characters plant their seeds everywhere as well. the 'seeds' grow, he trims the family trees a bit, causing issues of succession, meaning more plot and more profit. he's figured out the system!!
*A crazy random theory I have:*
Let's remember that Euron has a magic horn capable of dominating dragons and learned many things through dreams, just like Bran. Perhaps waking dragons (something Melisandre says, I think) is a metaphor for the horn Euron will use, which will cause the Wall to fall and this whole event causes Jon, a dragon, to rise again, but alongside the Others. In the third or fifth book Jon Snow dreams of being in ice armor and using a flaming sword. I believe that the dragon that Euron will dominate will be Jon, and Jon once dead and come back to life can become something different. ''Only death can pay with life,'' Melisandre once said. And GRRM has said that whenever one of his characters dies and returns, a part of him is gone forever. Perhaps Euron and Jon have that connection that will bring the Long Night, and Jon will side with the ''enemies''. Let's remember that Stark blood is ancient and magical, it is the blood of the First Men and the Night King was probably a Stark. Maybe the end isn't a heroic Jon, but a Jon accepting his old blood and embracing the darkness.
I…wow. I’ve never heard this before but now I can see it happening
The only thing is eurons horn is for binding dragons and not for the wall, remember he blew it at the kingsmoot
I believe Jon will come back with Bloodraven at the helm. Before Jon died, it's implied that he Warged into Ghost. It's also been implied that Ghost is one of the many agents of Bloodraven.
We also know that if you warg into an animal before you die, you slowly lose yourself over the animal. We also know that warging into humans is an abomination. But Bloodraven doesn't care. He killed men who were protected under guest right.
Knowing all of this, we could theorize when Jon warged into ghost, the clock started. Allowing Bloodraven to do what he needs to do as Jon and Bran are essential to his plans.
The only question is, how much control will Bloodraven have? Warging into humans isn't as simple as a wolf. They will fight it tooth and nail. How strong is Jon's personality, and how long will Jon be dead?
@@alexcampbell9397 The real horn is with Samwell. The horn that will wake the giants. Euron's horn is another. And Euron is on his way to the Citadel, the same place where Sam is. Euron will probably attack the Citadel and have the horn that will wake up the giants, as well as discover the secrets that exist there.
Very good! Man it's such an incredible series how people like yourself can come up with new completely plausible theories years after the last book.
Didn't even hear if this theory before....and I love it.
Quality as always. I wonder if George in his process of Winds is like " oh yeah that one ship I almost forgot the myraham.. bloody hell another plot point to tie up"😅
Oh that ship is getting seized by the Ironborn for sure. It's just.... Which ones? Rodrick the Reader would seize the moment for example. This could lead to Asha stepping in as regent for her brother's (likely male) heir. An alliance could be reached with the North by handing over the will too.
as much as I like this idea, I don't think Rodrick is near oldtown is he? I thought he stayed at harlaw
I like this. The Myraham first carried an offer from Robb, now it carries Robb's will.
Loved the name of group A and what it stands for. I hope group B gets to meet the high sparrow.
The depth of this story is amazing
Such a great theory. I wish the Myraham and its Captain all the best but I am a bit worried given Eurons attack on Oldtown.
Great upload. You do a great job of condensing all these plot lines in a cohesive & entertaining video. Poor theon!
I had totally forgotten about that character 😂
This is the best new theory I've heard in ages! Thanks bro!
This is some 400 IQ Pepe Silva level theorizing with coherency.
I’ve already concluded that Asha is likely to be removed as a superfluous POV now that she’s reunited with Theon. She was intended (in Dance, at least) to keep up with Davos-less Stannis and it’s hard to see where her arc may go if she lives beyond the Kingsmoot.
I've long believed that Theon would be ruling the Iron Islands by the end, based largely on the tale of Torgon the Latecomer and Asha's reaction to the tale. GRRM wouldn't establish a precedent for overturning a kings moot unless it was going to be a factor in the story at some point. Theon's inability to produce hiers hadn't actually occurred to me as a factor, but after this video I'm convinced it's occurred to GRRM.
In fairness, I never noticed any allusion to Theon's possible castration in the books and thought the showrunners changed things just to make it more shocking. Until GRRM explicitly states otherwise, I will consider Theon severely mutilated, but not castrated.
As such, King Theon can still become a reality as far as I'm conserned.
Also, even if he is, he need not disclose it to others and can just rule unto his death and appoint some relative as an heir. By such a point Asha may well have sons of here own, so there's that.
@@bundayeti There's a scene in ADWD where Ramsey orders Theon/Reek to "assist" him in "consummating" his marriage to Jeyne Poole/Fake Arya, which has an exchange of dialogue that implies Theon's castration.
Ramsey: "You're as dry as bone! ... Reek get her ready for me."
Theon: "But my lord... I, I have no..."
Ramsey: "Use your tongue."
Good job in making a video on a theory I've never heard before! (And I've listened to A LOT of ASOIAF videos over the years!)
I think both Theon and Asha will survive the Battle of Ice. It's also possible that they could rule the Iron Islands jointly as Rock King and Salt Queen.
Absolute legend for these videos 😆 on 2nd round of reading the books and it’s people like you that help me understand the underlying stuff that’s hard to see, keep it up bro 🤟💪
Loved the video!!! Good job love and respect to you and everyone watching
I do believe theon has a second kid as he has been known to tumble woman. That could make his claim and future line stay as his sister could use it to regain the iron isles and make them open up their minds more than just pillaging.
second kid?
@@coldwaterburns_ remember the miller Sons? One of them was definitely his
Didn't he kill them in place of Bran and Rickon?
@@orange-dog9504 yes he did. Just saying theon has a thing for leaving illegitimate kids around meanwhile Jon fears doing that as he has no name while rob married the high born girl to keep from dishonoring her.
Most sensible asoiaf theory in a long time. Bless you.
great vid!!! loved hearing u explain this theory :)
Not only do I believe Theon will survive the battle of ice and eventually sit the seastone chair, I believe he will soon become a skin changer, or at least a green dreamer like Jojen Reed. Theon's destiny with the old gods was foreshadowed in the Winterfell godswood when he prayed to the heart tree and heard Bran's voice. Now the old gods are calling him to a weirwood island. And I don't think it's to be executed by Stannis. It's so Bran can awaken the magic of the old gods in Theon before a weirwood as he did for Jon.
The Voice in Damphair's head could be Bran, or more likely Bloodraven. However we cannot rule out Euron himself using a glass candle
Bro we are practically writing the winds of winter for grrm at this point
Love this! Totally forgot about the captain and his daughter too!
Great theory! Really interesting implications
Excellent theory
If Jeyne Westerling gives birth to Robb's heir and Theon also has an heir, the two kids could be raised together mirroring their fathers. Perhaps Theon as Lord of the Iron Islands will foster Robb's heir.
Awesome content! I'd love to see a video with your thoughts on the courtesans!
Which courtesans?
@@QuinnTheGM The courtesans of ASOIAF have always intrigued me. They are treated better than some royalty. In my head I have always seen similarities between the courtesans and the jesters/fools of Westeros, (don't ask me how lol)
That was a really nice theory. I've never even realized it was the same ship, completely forgot about it hahaha
hey this is a super interesting theory + i love your videos + as a non-native english speaker i really appreciate that your videos always have subtitles! kisses bye
That was great, thank you.
Just when I thought I'd heard all the best ASOIAF theories Quinn goes and springs this shit on me! 🤯 This is a brilliant and well argued theory. 👏🏾 And makes too much sense to not be true. Welcome to my head cannon!
Excellent content 👏👏
Not a bad theory but why would Robb trust the Citadel? What would he hope to accomplish by doing this?
Ya, If Sam is the one who finds the letter & If it names Jon as heir, he'll try to get the word out but still, the maesters are going to do whats best for the measters. And the North is in even worse shape now then when Robb was alive, so why would they care or want to help? I just don't see what Robb would be hoping would happen by doing this
To the question of why he would entrust such an important document to a commoner: it's the easiest thing in the world to make a merchant sea captain into the most loyal of followers with the stroke of a pen. Little appendix at the bottom of the will: "This document was signed and witnessed in wartime, deep within enemy territory, and its safe delivery entrusted to Captain Whatsisface of the Myraham. Should this will be brought intact to Oldtown as decreed by the King in the North Robb Stark, this man shall be compensated for his bravery with a castle and lands on the Eastern shore, and the title of Master."
Will? Title. No will? No title. Most bulletproof incentive scheme there is, even established lords have less incentive than that to remain loyal.
I really like your logic, I wish I’d included this in the video.
The kinda forgot joke at the end was hilarious
Such a good theory!
George 100% didn’t suggest this but i’m 100% here for it
Aye but GRRM laid down all the information allowing the possibility for it to happen. Its a great theory.
Good Theory and a Great Video. So we have 2 Possibilities who could have the Will, this Captain and Robb's widow. But who says it could not be both? What if Robb made 2 Copies? One he gave Jeyne and one for the Records in Old Town. I mean why should the Lords of the North believe Jeyne, She is the Daughter of Sybill Westerling, who made a pact with Tywin Lannister and was complicit in the Red Wedding. If Jeyne travels North to bring the Will to Robb's loyal Men, who says they believe her? We don't even know if Maege or Galbart will be with her and furthermore, we don't know if Howland Reed is friendly to Jon, Okay, he is Lyanna's Son, but he is also Rhaegar's Son and if Jon really comes down from the Wall and says he was freed from his vows from a Kinslayer (if Shireen will be still burned by Stannis that is something that will play a Part) who wants to be King, Howland could all tell who Jon really is because he wants to make sure Rikkon will inherit. I think the Will could make things Complicated.
excellent video
There are thematic reasons to support the idea. The captain's daughter should qualify as a mermaid of sorts, while Theon is definitely a grayer (literal not figurative) version of himself.
The curious arrangement of the environment around Theon also suggests a potential rhyme to the past. Theon seems set to be a sacrifice. The croft is also beset by a storm of sort. Those options are fire and tree. What remains is some version of Theon taunting the Strom God and getting a response that might be beneficial to him. Likely an action by Bran, but one that would be interpreted by on lookers as he shouldn't be sacrificed. Maybe
great vid
holy shit, my man, you've been busy cooking
Damn this is so good.
I don't know what it is but your fill in pic for the Captain of that ship might be smiling. But you can see in his eyes he has seen the darkness.
How does Randyll Tarly play into all of this? The man is a force of nature.
Great video! Is difficult nowadays to find fresh content
What if George finished Winfs and Dreams but because we been on his head about them he got them set to release posthumously, just so we have to continue waiting
You make me laugh. Thank You.
Cool theory but I think the will is being taken to Howland Reed... Robb knows that Howland was his father's most trusted man... I think Robb's will and the knowledge of Jon's true parents will make Howland finally leave seclusion and seek Jon to let him know everything
whowa....love it
I think the chance of the kingsmoot being overruled because of some technicality like Theon not being dead yet and there being this infant heir has about as much chance of changing anything as Rob Baratheon's will had of making Ned regent. This isn't that kind of story.
What map are you using in this video?
Euron will take over everything!
Yay, another reminder that I will never be able to read WOW. But great video nonetheless.
Cause you're dying or cause you don't think it's coming out?
@@myujmes I think it’s never coming out. This series is older than me. I don’t think that George is finishing anytime soon. But hey, I could be wrong.
@@Elhombrequemurio I hope you are wrong, but I've been having similar thoughts
I think we’ll get Winds, but Spring? That’s a whole other season…
@@warlordofbritannia It truly is a dream💀
Catlinn was naked in the river also. Where could she have been keeping that will?? Lmao
The baby will be sacrificed in the battle at oldtown for he has kings blood in him
Lady stone heart no question
Why did you switch from calling it the Myraham to the “Miriam”?
The Miriam 😁
Theon deserves some redemption
That c=sea pun
Imagine Aurane is legitimized by Daenerys, become Aurane Velaryon? A solid, knowledgeable seafarer is what she needs to even begin to challenge Euron. And that's only to start with
Howland Reed is likely to lead Arya and Catelyn and possibly Jaime to the north
I thought each group had a copy?
The will makes catlyn lady of winterfell imo
Only in ASOIAF can you have a theory this crazy sound so real, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT! GEORGE HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY RIGHT THERE AHHHHHHH (Sorry, i haven't taken my winter meds recently)
Isn't it implied that theon had a bastard son in clash of kings. He was banging the millers wife. Then used the kids corpses to pass off as bran and rickon.
Yes! Though those kids are dead.
Where this theory falls apart IMHO is in its assumption that the Kingsmoot can just be "undone" by an heir of Theon appearing. But that is never going to work, because the Ironborn don't care much about rules or legality, if they did, they never would have accepted the Kingsmoot in the first place as it hadn't been held for millennia.
They care about strength, and they follow whoever can give them the most, and that person is Euron, as he has proven already with his raids on the Reach and soon Oldtown. No ironborn is going to change his mind because a baseborn infant of a dead prince who was Balon's heir once turns up.
Also, Euron has just been introduced, so to end his reign already in TWOW would be a waste of a great character. He is one of the characters I'm most certain we will see survive until the Dream of Spring.
My thought isn’t that Theon’s heir appearing will suddenly solve things, it’s more than Asha could advance the heir’s claim as a potential regent.
@@QuinnTheGM I don't think that would make her position any stronger than it already was during the Kingsmoot. Since that point her position only got worse, Asha got defeated and captured by Stannis, while Euron got victories in the South.
I can see a potential heir to Theon play a role only if Euron is defeated and the Ironborn are conquered, and the conqueror forces the child upon the ironborn as their future lord, a puppet ruler loyal to the conqueror.
I think Euron will be dead by then. It will be a battle between him and Bloodraven/Bran and since Bran is fated to be King by the end, logically Euron would have gotten what was coming for him before then
God please this was would be cool as shit if Theon had an heir
I think if someone has Robbs will, then its blackfish.
The weaterlands got burned in clash its not untouched
Yo, what if Euron marries Stone Heart? Then Stone Heart is the actual heir to Winterfell and Euron the new Lord and King in the North?
Euron already is King of the Isles & North
Catelyn aka Stoneheart is more likely to strangle Euron than marry him.
She has no love for the Iron Born especially since Theon supposedly murdered her darling boys.
Myraham sounds like miriam who was Moses sister, a prophetess, and later Mary had a form of the same name. So the girl on the myraham having Theon’s baby is a Jesus parallel
Pls dont insult my house like this
Euron takes the W
I feel like a lot of people forget that TWoW won’t be the end of the series. A Dream of Spring is still on the way
THEY AINT COMING OUT WHILE MARTIN is alive
Sorry don't have time to skim comments. But Cat was tossed into the river naked, the lady wouldn't have dropped anything in the water after death
Why do you think that the story will go in this direction? if you think it will have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention
“Robb tells us he is not doing that.”
Bruh this is George rr Martin we are talking about. TRUST NOTHING!!!
0:28 terrible map of Westeros, just look at the iron islands just to start. Kings landing is not in the right place and there’s more I can’t zoom far enough. 2/10 wouldn’t recommend
Bold of you to think Euron will be defeated
Also, if I remember correctly, I believe Jason Mallister is currently under house arrest at Seagard by the Freys. Maybe the Myraham never left port?
Bran will be King by the end (this comes from George himself) and there is _no_ way Bran/Bloodraven would allow this maniac to continue running loose the way he has been running loose.
Logically, Euron would be dead or suffering some gruesome fate before then
@@gerardjagroo I agree, something is bound to happen, but ASOIAF clearly doesn't go the way readers want or expect. As an example, I agree that Bran will be king, but a king of graveyards, corpses of kingdoms. ( I haven't read nor will read any of the sample chapters from TWoW so I may indeed be missing some context)
clearly Theon will die and Asha will pretend to be Theon and claim the throne.
I kfeel like Euron at the kingsmoot is like Trump in 2016 😂
Cat is robb's heir in his will. my theory goes an extra mile, robb wanted CAT to marry Jon. We see theon baby in 1 of Sam's chapters, at the citidel.
IN the first book first Cat chapter Cat is thinking about producing another baby, We also see cersei father wanting cersei same age as Cat marring another younger man, If Cat marries Jon and have a kid(or not) there is no reason for the Lannister's to keep sansa (or arya if robb/cat still think they have her too). They the lannister would have a useless hostage with a young 30 year old woman who might be able to still have kids and her much younger 15-17 year old husband who can easily rule should she die.
Also CAT is the only unifier to the North and the Riverlands.
The captain is a malister man
Y couldn’t the freys have it or it just got destroyed without anyone knowing it was the will
I don’t think the Freys have it, otherwise we would’ve heard via Merrett’s POV or via Jaime in Feast. Could’ve gotten destroyed, but that’s boring.
@@QuinnTheGM ok