The whole IS lineup is the automotive avatar of a mid to late 30s guy who is in shape but he's not pretending to be a professional athlete. It's about staying fit in the long run and not running up a ton of hospital bills on surgery as he gets on in the years.
@@supremeetnel7707 True as that might be, I still think that in the age of turbo charging, Lexus still producing a naturally aspirated engine is a great breath of fresh air. Old as it might be, it still performs decently well and sounds even better in my opinion.
I love my GSF even more, this is from a guy that only owned German cars his whole life. The car is solid, it have soul. Guys go buy it, I guarantee it will be a worry free experience.
I've given up on German cars. Tired of taking them in early, before work, for service every 3 months when something breaks. Worse yet, the dealers of German marques seem to be staffed by the biggest douchebags I've ever met.
@@jeffbreazeal6293 This car epitomizes the saying Aristotle made famous: "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts". This car isn't the fastest, loudest, quickest, whatever adjective for "really fast" that you want to use. But the way the car is put together and how it makes you feel when you drive it is special. The NA V8 is still plenty fast - but also soooo silky smooth on acceleration from any speed. The styling (to me) is sublime with how its lines, creases and angles are assembled. The car oozes premium quality in almost every detail. It's built different than any German performance car I've driven or been in and I've been in them all at one time or another. It just has a way of delivering super high quality in a really distinctive way. Everything feels precision built for maximum longevity. I can beat the crap out of this car & it'll feel like it did on Day 1 every time. At $65K it was a steal to me.
How are you still loving the car after 10 months? My 2021 leased w205 c63 AMG sedan is coming to an end and I need a new car by May. Been looking at this as a replacement. Since you had an M5 TTV8 you come from similar territory. You miss the power and torque and autobahn missile? Are you happy with the IS500? Any problems with it so far? Are you ok with the exhaust being… on the quiet side compared to our German counterparts? Did you lease or buy? Thanks!
Used to have o8 isf back in the day, and have a gsf now. I can tell you the engine is so amazing and its crazy fun to drive. Built like a tank , these engines are going 300k miles on an isf. I cant believe how cheap this is
I think Lexus priced it to be a NA V8 alternative to the M340i, C43, S4 set. I would pick a German to drive for a 3-4 years, but Lexus gets the nod for long term ownership.
@@michaelmichael6699 LOL I have a 2020 M340i as well. I would consider a Lexus if I kept my cars longer than the warranty period. I do like that I’m getting over 30 MPG (mixed but with plenty of rapid highway driving) while giving away nothing in performance. On the other hand, the Lexus V8 should run forever. ✌️
I’d take the M340i with that nice ZF 8speed. B58 is a great engine, just give it love. Never mind a DP AND Tune, leaves the Lexus in the dust with burbles and pops. Also M340i has a lot more space in the rear. I’m a previous IS350 owner current G70 3.3t owner , my next car is a BMW. If you don’t care about transmission, go for the Lexus.
First episode I've watched beginning to end in a LONG time. Lexus, thank you for offering a fantastic car! And it's priced fairly!!! You may not get me to buy this, but you have me interested in your brand because of it. Man, this is tasty though.
According to Lexus, it is an m340i competitors and not the M3/M4 competitor because the suspension, chassis, tires, wheels, brakes etc. are all not tuned for that. That is why it is cheaper than the RCF. The RCF has much stiffer suspension/chassis, big brake kit, wheels, tires, cooling systems and sport seats etc. all meant to push the car on the track. IS500 F-Sport is tuned way too soft for the track. That is why RCF costs significantly more
I just picked up my built 2023 IS500 Sport Premium and I absolutely enjoy every time I drive it. It is such a beautiful , Comfortable and Powerful car. Thanks Lexus Racing!! Defiantly a collectors vehicle!
Damn do you work for Lexus or something because your in every is500 post. Also he’s saying the same things I’m saying which is it could have been better… dual clutch
Think about it Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Chrysler, GM and several other manufacturers in America used to produce luxury V8 cars that every day Americans could buy. Even a family wagon was a V8 luxury car.
This looks like a very interesting car! For me it wouldn’t take the place of my weekend sports car but it would be a great daily driver that I could still blast around in while also enjoying the comforts of a Lexus.
Lexus Engineers and Marketing reps have constantly said the targets were the M340i, C43, S4, etc... this was not an M3/C63 competitor in performance or price. It was even said at Sebring when the car was introduced by Townsend Bell. This is a step below F within Lexus
Thank you! They made it clear I from the beginning! So it annoyed the heck outta me people kept negatively comparing it to full M, AMG, V series cars. All the stupid speculation about it being overpriced. Lol
@@redzoom7857 people seem to forget the M340i is a great car. Most people aren't looking for a track car. I'm very happy with the idea of the IS500 as my fun daily driver that I can take through the mountains on the weekends.
I would like to mention something if you don't know yet... 100-200km/h GT-R : 7.x Panamera turbo : 8.x IS500, RCF, GSF: 9.x (These cars are not among the fastest but still VERY FAST!!! Of course, if you check the HP rating) M340: 10.x-11.x
Great review as usual! Sad to see NA engines disappear. Wouldn’t be surprised if these hold they’re value extremely well and actually appreciate when ICE engines become more and more rare. I’d love to get my hands on one of these!
@@MotoManTV Totally agree! Resale value of 90’s Integra Type R’s, original NSX’s, S2000’s, etc. are so strong I can only imagine the IS500 will do the same thing in 10-15 years. Especially if this is truly the last NA V8 engine in a Japanese sports sedan.
Hey DJ My name is Tamara. I work at a Lexus dealership in Southern California. If you would really like to get your hands on one of these, I have two Launch Editions currently available. Let me know if you’re interested and ill share my contact info. I’d be happy to assist with shipping if need be!
Thanks for your highly informative review. I'm #1 at my dealer list for one of these. Also have a 2021 IS 350 F Sport (bit of a Lexus fanboi after many problematic German cars and a Yamaha fanboi from my motorcycling days) which is an absolute blast to drive, but just needs a little more oomph. Honestly, 40-50hp/80-100TQ and the Lexus 10-speed Direct Shift, and the IS 350 would be all we need. Will keep the 350 when the 500 gets here because it is that good, and will be great for my daughter in 6 years when she can drive. BTW the Dynamic Handling Package in the IS 350 F Sport also has the Yamaha-sourced Adaptive Damper. FYI Yamaha also developed the 5.0 V8 and V10 for the LF-Afor Toyota. Liked and Subscribed.
I know I was ine of those that bitched and moaned about your initial estimates and was close to the premium trim level. I took your advice I got one. I tried a year and a half ago, but I was only able to get one 3 weeks ago. And I got it in Moulton Pearl 🧡. I absolutely love it. I wish I can share a picture via CZcams comments. Keep doing great videos 👍🏼
One reviewer described it as the second coming of the E90 M3 : similarly NA V8, purely RWD. Not a hardcore track focused car but sublime to drive on the streets/canyons.
lol I just got rid of my E90 M3 out of sheer frustration and wallet pains. 82k on the odo and about $12k in a year trying to fix horrible gremlins...complete random loss of all power just the first of several super annoying things that I was dealing with. I definitely bought someone else's problem and sadly for the next guy that now owns it same thing for them lol. this IS500 will be my next sedan, looks perfect
Great video bro! Lexus is a Lexus its about experience not how fast you can drive how aggressive cornering you can do! Lexus is all in one! Nothing like a Lexus :)
I love my ISF and a lot of F owners seemed to cry that the V8's going into an F sport, But I think it's fitting that the last hurrah of the V8 goes into an F sport because that means the next F cars are going to be something crazy and special again. In 2008 well well over a decade ago they they evolved their lineup and they're brand with the F moniker and where they've come from to where they are.... it's cool to see this. This really does demonstrate that trickle down effect.
Dude, nothing has changed just a 5 point oh with some tweaks! Yes, a decade the Japanese have been yanking fanboys chains and still not delivery much more than before.
I wouldn't say it's that good. A dodge charger scat pack which is comparable being a sedan with a naturally aspirated v8 is a better deal. Brand new they start around $42k. The scat pack has 13 more horsepower and over 60 more foot pounds of torque. Yes the lexus is going to be infinitely more reliable and classy looking but it should be cheaper for what you're getting to a comparable vehicle.
Your discussion on pricing made me wonder if manufacturers calculate how much consumers will pay as distinct from what is a reasonable price that still leaves them a profit.
I think that IS 500 worth every bit of it's price tag. The car looks stunning, especially in this blue color. The fun factor is huge and I can care less about latest gizmos and gadgets. Great sound from naturally aspirated V8 and Lexus legendary reliability is something you CAN NOT find in its German competitors these days. Build in Japan is simply the best. Their dealer network is awesome too. Good to mention that this car will maintain its resale value better than any other car in its class. Hats down for Lexus offering this car on the market👍
I really hope Lexus doesn't kill this wonderful engine. They can easily tune it to 500+ hp if they added stronger internals. The only thing that's stopping them from doing that is the EPA, especially under the current draconian administration.
If we’re discussing wish list items…. Toyota, get the manual from BMW, put it in this car, and make the NA v8 powered, small sedan that Cadillac should have made with the CT-4. I’m fine with a Toyota developed manual as well. BUT that partnership is already established and the rev range & torque figures between this V8 and the S58 (M3 base) are pretty similar so this could be glorious!
Seems like a great value, but do we compare this more to the 340? Less power, but better dynamics and more usable space? After all, most getting a sedan do care about that rear seat, which is right in the IS. Love the color and thanks for the review.
@@clubracer6 I find that the crap you experience with a BMW is simply not worth it. Like a girlfriend who is hot but robs you of your bank account and emotional sanity.
I own an 07 328i manual. Major repairs (not maintenance) include the holy Trinity of gaskets - oil pan, valve cover, oil filter housing - water pump and thermostat, window regulators, plus assorted trim pieces. Basically you add $3600 -$5000 depending if you do some odd the work yourself. It's a good amount but it's not fatal. I've owned it for 11 years and still really like it. Dollar cost averaging those repairs means it's not too, too bad. Looking at them individually- yeah, it's a bit rich.
The only thing keeping me from getting one is the lack of AWD. Where I live there's snow 6 months of the year, and even with winter tires RWD doesn't cut it.
It’s weird that it doesn’t, considering the other IS models come with it. But to be fair, RWD with good snow tires will work for 95% of buyers. How much snow do you get?
@@TML34 tons. I use to drive a RWD 540i. But even with winter tires, there just isn't enough traction. Constantly fighting oversteer and even fishtailed a couple times. And can't forget the number of times I've gotten stuck and had to shovel my way out.
Thanks MotoMan! At last...Wow...the real sauce. I am looking forward to a drive and considered purchase. Hopefully, once the cars arrive they will be good inventory...It will make all the difference! This was indeed worth the wait.
Great first drive review MM. I’m glad Lexus read the discussion you and I had about pricing on this vehicle. They got the price spot on IMO. Very comparable to the M340i on pricing and leaving the higher price point for the full fat ISF with a 600HP NA V8. If I’m reading MM’s tea leaves correctly, the full F will probably be priced at the same level as the M3. I will definitely be ordering one of these as soon as I can get my dealer to allocate one to me.
You will love it . . . As you could tell by the episode, these speak to me . . . Don't know if they are going to commit to anything with more performance . . . but if they do, it will be a function of these being a complete sales home run.
Don’t hold your breath on an N/A V8 from Lexus making 600hp cause you’ll die of suffocation. If there is an F version of the IS, it will either use a slightly more power version of the current V8 the 500 has, a tuned version of the TT V6, or a TT V8 that Lexus has yet to release, but is in the works.
They could have put a better interior in here and a manual transmission and this car would be a home run! How do you offer a $60k Lexus without leather interior, a sluggish transmission, an old infotainment system and a CD player? A lot of missed opportunities here for Lexus to have really made a great car, unfortunately.
Great follow up to the tech review. I made a note on my calendar for Aug 10 to check the press release and watch the videos when the embargo would be lifted. Hopefully we'll be able to buy this car without some ridiculous dealer markups.
Wow that price is insane 😍 in a good way obviously. Wonder what the price will be in Norway 🇳🇴 I fear that due to taxes it would still be priced ~100k 😓
BTW, I'm a Lexus tech and have seen the Yamaha damper things and I highly doubt they do anything. They are bolted right an very stiff parts of the chassis, like the front and rear reinforcement bars. So there really won't be mush body flex were they are.
Great review Sir, really enjoyed it. I like Lexus but at least in the UK, the majority of them seem lacking in power and a bit on the boring side - now this changes things significantly but can it b bought over here? Nor sure.
Will be my next car if... there’s NO dealer mark up! This is basically the price of a loaded is350. Also the same price as a similarly equipped m340i, c43 and s4. Assuming I can buy one of these at MSRP I’ll be buying one. Was dead set on a new Supra for the same amount, but I’ll take a NA 5.0 V8 before it’s gone for good. Great video!
I am done with BMWs. My 2016 M4 has been nothing but trouble and now that warranty is expired I am pouring $$$$$$ into this stupid BMW. This will be my next car. Called Lexus dealerships this will be hard to get early next year.
But, when or how could we buy one? I mean, as with most cars, they just don't exist....and when you think they do, they are just a mirage and actually have already been purchased by someone else.... you can't even build the IS500 on the Lexus website!
Just stumbled upon this review - fantastic overview and great technical breakdown of its performance bits! Originally ordered a 2022 BMW M3 Comp xDrive in June but still waiting for delivery 9 months later 🙄 The Lexus IS500 intrigued me since it was announced and I started actively looking for one in Jan 2022. Most Canadian dealerships started getting theirs (already spoken for) with one selling for an $8K markup, claiming it was a bargain. Somehow, the car gods felt pity on me because shortly thereafter I found a Launch Edition at a dealership for MSRP. It's been a month now and I'm daily driving it with winter tires! What to do with the incoming BMW though...
@@nefarious_saint I like the car, but have had to adjust my expectations. I had 2 previous Lexus IS models so I'm accustomed to the brand. But many first time Lexus buyers were unhappy with this car and sold it. It's NOT a performance machine, but a comfortable GT cruiser that celebrates the last NA V8. The handling is soft and it eats up brakes. So I can't recommend this car to most performance enthusiasts unless you have something else for that purpose
@@nefarious_saint For what it's worth, I still took delivery of a 2022 BMW M3 Competition xDrive so that more than meets my needs for a true performance machine. The IS500 provides a good counterbalance of comfort and old school analog driving experience.
@@Kimchiguy79 my lease is ending in April. I need a replacement. Been looking at is500, m340i (should probably look at m3 comp but price is high) rs3, ct4 black wing maybe? All cars are different but within the same price range. I’ve had a 2006 IS 350 for 14 years before it died. Then got the AMG. Before that I had an evo x GSR. I know all the cars are different but… I love the way the is500 looks, however drove a new is350 lately and hate how it drives. I imagine same thing but bigger engine? Love the AMG but can’t keep it. Been in the shop for 70 days since I got it 🤣 Is your m3 reliable ish? I don’t track my cars but drive aggressively when situations permit and do light canyon runs. Any advice?
it's a shame the rest of the car can't keep up with the motor. It just has too much old tech in it at that price. I'm sure it will be fun for most, but I just can't justify the purchase. with that said it will be more reliable than an Audi or Bimmer
Here's the rub. 10 years from now, this glorious V8 will not be produced any more. You have 4 choices, the GSF, the RCF, the LC500 or this IS500. Which one do you bet the farm on and collect? I'd go LC500, but kudos to Lexus for making this legendary V8 so affordable in the IS
Not hard to determine . . . history tells how the values will break down. It's always the convertible, followed by the 2 door, followed by the crazy powerful 4 door. Only exception are super rare and odd ball limited runs. They sit above the convertibles. Look at the values of any series of muscle cars from the 60s and that logic will apply to these.
IS-F GT with a 600hp n/a V8 would be more rarer than an affordable LFA, but if they're still committed to it before electrification, make it at least competitive (unlike the RC-F, which if a refresh is due should look like the IS with two doors instead of four) with BMW or Cadillac's V division. And I'm still wishin the LC F becomes a real performance flagship someday.
Engine sounds awesome, styling is sharp and Q Ship like but not heard one reviewer really extol the handling virtues. Makes me wonder if a top trim $53k G70 is a better handler.
The IS500 isn’t really providing that value I was looking for, but I could see it being worth as much as it’s priced if you’re drawn to the novelty of an n/a V8 being stuffed in a smaller sports sedan. Everything else seems “meh,” honestly, and I was disappointed to hear that this basically drives like any other IS in the line up, but with just more power. The other hurdle I imagine will come up is once these hit the lots, the dealers are going to want to tack on an additional 10-15k, maybe even 20k, if you want to snatch one directly off their lot.
It was always going to be priced along with the competition they named, C43 and 340i. So ur estimate, causing people to whine in the comments, was way off to begin with.
11:09 If you wanna drive fast. Go to the track to learn how to operate fast. Then take those skills to the street. I do that with my Ducati. Your such a better driver/rider for it.
Kinda surprised by all the m3 talk. Even before pricing was released Lexus had made it pretty clear this is meant to be a 340 competitor not an m3. If it were they’d have called it the IS-F. Anyway I totally agree that we all have no excuse for not buying this. But…somehow we will all have excuses and then complain when it gets cancelled in 2 years
@@normt430 true but I prefer a more daily driver oriented car with a nice v8 like this. Much cheaper than an m, s, AMG, blackwing competitor as well. Be hard to choose one of the competitors 6 cyl turbos over this for similar money
@@richardh3587 We're in the same boat. The IS500 sounds like the perfect daily driver for me. If I wanted a track car I'd buy a Mustang, Gr86, 350Z, or Camaro SS. I hope Lexus sells plenty of these.
@@normt430 LOL....by all means, enjoy your Blackwing, AMG, M or whatever.... you are on every comment saying the same thing. Many of us will get the IS500 and be perfectly fine with the performance of the 2UR-GSE.
We don’t do nothing about it, because car enthusiasts don’t buy new cars. We typically buy used cars and constantly mod them because we usually don’t like nothing new.
The MK8 Golf R (with the dual clutch) can hit 60 in about 4.0x seconds... And it barely has over 300hp. This car would be probably hit 60 in the sub 4s range with a ZF dual clutch.
They need to put a proper manual transmission in these. There are only *THREE* sedans in the new US market with a front-engine rear-wheel drive layout with a manual transmission. BMW M3, Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing, and Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing. And two of these three are limited production runs. Such a shame. #SaveTheManuals
We have 3 cars with V8 naturally aspirated engines, only 1 Audi with 3.0T supercharged engine running 333 HP. You can guess the least exciting engine is the V6. BUY A V8 BEFORE THEY ARE ALL GONE!
10 yrs from now this will probably be the only car in it's class to still be running.
This will be worth more in 5 years than any euro in its class
The whole IS lineup is the automotive avatar of a mid to late 30s guy who is in shape but he's not pretending to be a professional athlete. It's about staying fit in the long run and not running up a ton of hospital bills on surgery as he gets on in the years.
The fact that Lexus is still making beautiful naturally aspirated V8s is just incredible
It’s the same old v8 they’ve had for years.
@@supremeetnel7707 True as that might be, I still think that in the age of turbo charging, Lexus still producing a naturally aspirated engine is a great breath of fresh air. Old as it might be, it still performs decently well and sounds even better in my opinion.
@@supremeetnel7707 And that's a good thing.
The End....
@@danielzwanink7714 you'll love that piped in V8 sound...through the speakers.
This car is my newest aspiration... naturally.
Oh you!
I love my GSF even more, this is from a guy that only owned German cars his whole life.
The car is solid, it have soul. Guys go buy it, I guarantee it will be a worry free experience.
The only thing you have to worry about is the gas prices. I hate EVs and hybrids.
@Nezumi Speed That is called MATURITY and dispels the belief all cars give problems. Enjoy.
I've given up on German cars. Tired of taking them in early, before work, for service every 3 months when something breaks. Worse yet, the dealers of German marques seem to be staffed by the biggest douchebags I've ever met.
I rented a 2018 GSF for 1 day and I totally fell in love. I did not want to return it.
One of the best reviewers. No nonsense. Unbiased. What we carnuts want to know. 👏
I got off my a$$ and bought one last week! Went from a turbocharged V8 in a BMW F10 M5 to this NA V8 in a Lexus IS 500.
And your thoughts?
@@jeffbreazeal6293 This car epitomizes the saying Aristotle made famous: "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts". This car isn't the fastest, loudest, quickest, whatever adjective for "really fast" that you want to use. But the way the car is put together and how it makes you feel when you drive it is special. The NA V8 is still plenty fast - but also soooo silky smooth on acceleration from any speed. The styling (to me) is sublime with how its lines, creases and angles are assembled. The car oozes premium quality in almost every detail. It's built different than any German performance car I've driven or been in and I've been in them all at one time or another. It just has a way of delivering super high quality in a really distinctive way. Everything feels precision built for maximum longevity. I can beat the crap out of this car & it'll feel like it did on Day 1 every time. At $65K it was a steal to me.
How are you still loving the car after 10 months? My 2021 leased w205 c63 AMG sedan is coming to an end and I need a new car by May. Been looking at this as a replacement. Since you had an M5 TTV8 you come from similar territory. You miss the power and torque and autobahn missile? Are you happy with the IS500? Any problems with it so far? Are you ok with the exhaust being… on the quiet side compared to our German counterparts?
Did you lease or buy?
Thanks!
Used to have o8 isf back in the day, and have a gsf now. I can tell you the engine is so amazing and its crazy fun to drive. Built like a tank , these engines are going 300k miles on an isf.
I cant believe how cheap this is
I think Lexus priced it to be a NA V8 alternative to the M340i, C43, S4 set. I would pick a German to drive for a 3-4 years, but Lexus gets the nod for long term ownership.
That is exactly how they priced it, a base IS500 starts at 54grand
I work for Lexus and currently drive a 2021 M340i I can’t wait for this to start arriving to the dealership so I can trade my m340i for it!
@@michaelmichael6699
LOL I have a 2020 M340i as well. I would consider a Lexus if I kept my cars longer than the warranty period. I do like that I’m getting over 30 MPG (mixed but with plenty of rapid highway driving) while giving away nothing in performance. On the other hand, the Lexus V8 should run forever. ✌️
I’d take the M340i with that nice ZF 8speed. B58 is a great engine, just give it love. Never mind a DP AND Tune, leaves the Lexus in the dust with burbles and pops. Also M340i has a lot more space in the rear.
I’m a previous IS350 owner current G70 3.3t owner , my next car is a BMW.
If you don’t care about transmission, go for the Lexus.
First episode I've watched beginning to end in a LONG time. Lexus, thank you for offering a fantastic car! And it's priced fairly!!! You may not get me to buy this, but you have me interested in your brand because of it. Man, this is tasty though.
According to Lexus, it is an m340i competitors and not the M3/M4 competitor because the suspension, chassis, tires, wheels, brakes etc. are all not tuned for that. That is why it is cheaper than the RCF. The RCF has much stiffer suspension/chassis, big brake kit, wheels, tires, cooling systems and sport seats etc. all meant to push the car on the track. IS500 F-Sport is tuned way too soft for the track. That is why RCF costs significantly more
Definitely on my short list right now. This is a car I can easily see keeping 10 years or more.
I just picked up my built 2023 IS500 Sport Premium and I absolutely enjoy every time I drive it. It is such a beautiful , Comfortable and Powerful car. Thanks Lexus Racing!! Defiantly a collectors vehicle!
This car will be in my garage. Deposit down 6 months ago, just waiting to sign on the dotted line! ❤️😍
Congrats, hope there's not much markup.
@@RAZGR1Z Me too!
Damn do you work for Lexus or something because your in every is500 post. Also he’s saying the same things I’m saying which is it could have been better… dual clutch
@@storm-shadow1237 😉
My salesman said they'll get the Launch Editions first and then Premiums. Its starting to get real. I want it before winter 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
Think about it Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Chrysler, GM and several other manufacturers in America used to produce luxury V8 cars that every day Americans could buy. Even a family wagon was a V8 luxury car.
This looks like a very interesting car! For me it wouldn’t take the place of my weekend sports car but it would be a great daily driver that I could still blast around in while also enjoying the comforts of a Lexus.
The color is beautiful!! This and the lighter interior makes the car. Thanks for the pricing breakdown MotoMan
Yes, this Grecian water color, the Ultra sonic blue and the Infrared colors are gorgeous!
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@@eleanormassaro5195 this one is ultra sonic blue.
I bought one, partly thanks to this video. Thanks, @MotoManTV, for inspiring me to do the best dumb thing I've ever done. I am obsessed with this car!
Lexus Engineers and Marketing reps have constantly said the targets were the M340i, C43, S4, etc... this was not an M3/C63 competitor in performance or price.
It was even said at Sebring when the car was introduced by Townsend Bell. This is a step below F within Lexus
Thank you! They made it clear I from the beginning! So it annoyed the heck outta me people kept negatively comparing it to full M, AMG, V series cars. All the stupid speculation about it being overpriced. Lol
@@redzoom7857 people seem to forget the M340i is a great car. Most people aren't looking for a track car. I'm very happy with the idea of the IS500 as my fun daily driver that I can take through the mountains on the weekends.
I would like to mention something if you don't know yet...
100-200km/h
GT-R : 7.x
Panamera turbo : 8.x
IS500, RCF, GSF: 9.x (These cars are not among the fastest but still VERY FAST!!! Of course, if you check the HP rating)
M340: 10.x-11.x
Great review as usual! Sad to see NA engines disappear. Wouldn’t be surprised if these hold they’re value extremely well and actually appreciate when ICE engines become more and more rare. I’d love to get my hands on one of these!
I am thinking these will outgun the resale - percentage wise - of similar Mercedes and BMW.
@@MotoManTV
Totally agree! Resale value of 90’s Integra Type R’s, original NSX’s, S2000’s, etc. are so strong I can only imagine the IS500 will do the same thing in 10-15 years. Especially if this is truly the last NA V8 engine in a Japanese sports sedan.
Hey DJ
My name is Tamara. I work at a Lexus dealership in Southern California. If you would really like to get your hands on one of these, I have two Launch Editions currently available. Let me know if you’re interested and ill share my contact info. I’d be happy to assist with shipping if need be!
Thanks for your highly informative review. I'm #1 at my dealer list for one of these. Also have a 2021 IS 350 F Sport (bit of a Lexus fanboi after many problematic German cars and a Yamaha fanboi from my motorcycling days) which is an absolute blast to drive, but just needs a little more oomph. Honestly, 40-50hp/80-100TQ and the Lexus 10-speed Direct Shift, and the IS 350 would be all we need. Will keep the 350 when the 500 gets here because it is that good, and will be great for my daughter in 6 years when she can drive. BTW the Dynamic Handling Package in the IS 350 F Sport also has the Yamaha-sourced Adaptive Damper. FYI Yamaha also developed the 5.0 V8 and V10 for the LF-Afor Toyota. Liked and Subscribed.
I know I was ine of those that bitched and moaned about your initial estimates and was close to the premium trim level.
I took your advice I got one.
I tried a year and a half ago, but I was only able to get one 3 weeks ago.
And I got it in Moulton Pearl 🧡.
I absolutely love it.
I wish I can share a picture via CZcams comments.
Keep doing great videos 👍🏼
One reviewer described it as the second coming of the E90 M3 : similarly NA V8, purely RWD. Not a hardcore track focused car but sublime to drive on the streets/canyons.
lol I just got rid of my E90 M3 out of sheer frustration and wallet pains. 82k on the odo and about $12k in a year trying to fix horrible gremlins...complete random loss of all power just the first of several super annoying things that I was dealing with. I definitely bought someone else's problem and sadly for the next guy that now owns it same thing for them lol. this IS500 will be my next sedan, looks perfect
hope not. the e90 is useless around town. sold mine due to the absolute woeful lack of any usable torque
Great video bro! Lexus is a Lexus its about experience not how fast you can drive how aggressive cornering you can do! Lexus is all in one! Nothing like a Lexus :)
Slowest a$$ in the segment too!
One of my dream car. I recently just bought the 2017 Lexus IS200T. This car will be my next used car in a few year
Worth. Every. Penny.
If I could afford one I would absolutely buy one right away. Unfortunately, it seems that reality is limited to just being in my dreams.
I love my ISF and a lot of F owners seemed to cry that the V8's going into an F sport, But I think it's fitting that the last hurrah of the V8 goes into an F sport because that means the next F cars are going to be something crazy and special again. In 2008 well well over a decade ago they they evolved their lineup and they're brand with the F moniker and where they've come from to where they are.... it's cool to see this. This really does demonstrate that trickle down effect.
Dude, nothing has changed just a 5 point oh with some tweaks! Yes, a decade the Japanese have been yanking fanboys chains and still not delivery much more than before.
That engine just sounds awesome. I think they nailed it.
Not so sure the of the V8 sound through the speakers though...
@@normt430 You can turn it off in the options.
The price is seriously good.
I wouldn't say it's that good. A dodge charger scat pack which is comparable being a sedan with a naturally aspirated v8 is a better deal. Brand new they start around $42k. The scat pack has 13 more horsepower and over 60 more foot pounds of torque. Yes the lexus is going to be infinitely more reliable and classy looking but it should be cheaper for what you're getting to a comparable vehicle.
@@dieseldouche7735 dodge interiors are so boring and trash and outdated,but ur right the lexus is still pricey
I've had my IS500 for almost 2 months. I love this thing. There are faster cars but that 2UR-GSE makes it up with a beautiful noise
Your discussion on pricing made me wonder if manufacturers calculate how much consumers will pay as distinct from what is a reasonable price that still leaves them a profit.
Are you factoring in the +$20,000 dealer mark up? That is the discount on a NSX right now.
I think that IS 500 worth every bit of it's price tag.
The car looks stunning, especially in this blue color. The fun factor is huge and I can care less about latest gizmos and gadgets.
Great sound from naturally aspirated V8 and Lexus legendary reliability is something you CAN NOT find in its German competitors these days.
Build in Japan is simply the best. Their dealer network is awesome too.
Good to mention that this car will maintain its resale value better than any other car in its class.
Hats down for Lexus offering this car on the market👍
I don’t get why people comparing it to m3.
It’s already stated it’s a direct comparison to m340i m sport.
I really hope Lexus doesn't kill this wonderful engine. They can easily tune it to 500+ hp if they added stronger internals. The only thing that's stopping them from doing that is the EPA, especially under the current draconian administration.
And reliability concerns..
Altezza is back baby
If we’re discussing wish list items…. Toyota, get the manual from BMW, put it in this car, and make the NA v8 powered, small sedan that Cadillac should have made with the CT-4. I’m fine with a Toyota developed manual as well. BUT that partnership is already established and the rev range & torque figures between this V8 and the S58 (M3 base) are pretty similar so this could be glorious!
Seems like a great value, but do we compare this more to the 340? Less power, but better dynamics and more usable space? After all, most getting a sedan do care about that rear seat, which is right in the IS. Love the color and thanks for the review.
340 will stop working after 60k miles. this car will run to 300K with no issues.
@@OMERDULI A great exaggeration there. If someone maintains it very well there’s no reason it will not go to the same mileage.
@@kok111188 like in any good relationship, The extra maintenance and care is worth it if you find what you are truly looking for.
@@clubracer6 I find that the crap you experience with a BMW is simply not worth it. Like a girlfriend who is hot but robs you of your bank account and emotional sanity.
I own an 07 328i manual. Major repairs (not maintenance) include the holy Trinity of gaskets - oil pan, valve cover, oil filter housing - water pump and thermostat, window regulators, plus assorted trim pieces. Basically you add $3600 -$5000 depending if you do some odd the work yourself. It's a good amount but it's not fatal. I've owned it for 11 years and still really like it. Dollar cost averaging those repairs means it's not too, too bad. Looking at them individually- yeah, it's a bit rich.
The only thing keeping me from getting one is the lack of AWD. Where I live there's snow 6 months of the year, and even with winter tires RWD doesn't cut it.
Agreed. If they gave this AWD and allowed you to decouple the front wheels like an M5, they’d probably sell 3x what they will now
It’s weird that it doesn’t, considering the other IS models come with it. But to be fair, RWD with good snow tires will work for 95% of buyers. How much snow do you get?
@@TML34 tons. I use to drive a RWD 540i. But even with winter tires, there just isn't enough traction. Constantly fighting oversteer and even fishtailed a couple times. And can't forget the number of times I've gotten stuck and had to shovel my way out.
Goofy car being a kia but the Stinger has AWD and the same 0-60 around 4.5
It does have LSD at least
Thanks MotoMan! At last...Wow...the real sauce. I am looking forward to a drive and considered purchase. Hopefully, once the cars arrive they will be good inventory...It will make all the difference! This was indeed worth the wait.
Intrigued to hear what the dealers do with these . . .
@@MotoManTV Me Too...My prayer is no addendum stickers! If the pricing goes crazy wrong...My interest may change!
Great first drive review MM. I’m glad Lexus read the discussion you and I had about pricing on this vehicle. They got the price spot on IMO. Very comparable to the M340i on pricing and leaving the higher price point for the full fat ISF with a 600HP NA V8. If I’m reading MM’s tea leaves correctly, the full F will probably be priced at the same level as the M3. I will definitely be ordering one of these as soon as I can get my dealer to allocate one to me.
You will love it . . . As you could tell by the episode, these speak to me . . . Don't know if they are going to commit to anything with more performance . . . but if they do, it will be a function of these being a complete sales home run.
Don’t hold your breath on an N/A V8 from Lexus making 600hp cause you’ll die of suffocation. If there is an F version of the IS, it will either use a slightly more power version of the current V8 the 500 has, a tuned version of the TT V6, or a TT V8 that Lexus has yet to release, but is in the works.
They could have put a better interior in here and a manual transmission and this car would be a home run! How do you offer a $60k Lexus without leather interior, a sluggish transmission, an old infotainment system and a CD player? A lot of missed opportunities here for Lexus to have really made a great car, unfortunately.
The intro was on point 💯
Great follow up to the tech review. I made a note on my calendar for Aug 10 to check the press release and watch the videos when the embargo would be lifted. Hopefully we'll be able to buy this car without some ridiculous dealer markups.
Thanks for coming back!
Would definitely look to buy this if there was an AWD option, sadly Canadian winters are rough to RWD vehicles.
Not all of Canada, in Vancouver we get little to no snow, we dont need AWD, and I am definitely considering one of these!
Wow that price is insane 😍 in a good way obviously. Wonder what the price will be in Norway 🇳🇴 I fear that due to taxes it would still be priced ~100k 😓
Its actually going to be sold in north America only I believe anyways.
When you find out, let us know . . . and break it out pre and post tax.
@@MotoManTV not sold in Europe.....
MotoMan gets it. He is my spirit animal CZcamsrs. Speaks the words I am thinking. Good vid, man.
I've been looking forward to this video for months! Wonderful car and video! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This car is special asking price no problem! I'll take the exact one reviewed here!
God I want this car, Badly, great daily. Finally a car that does everything I want.
BTW, I'm a Lexus tech and have seen the Yamaha damper things and I highly doubt they do anything. They are bolted right an very stiff parts of the chassis, like the front and rear reinforcement bars. So there really won't be mush body flex were they are.
Great review Sir, really enjoyed it. I like Lexus but at least in the UK, the majority of them seem lacking in power and a bit on the boring side - now this changes things significantly but can it b bought over here? Nor sure.
All i need is money to buy this right now!
And true story about your intro!
Lexus just launched a W204 C63 or E90 M3 but 10 years later.
Will be my next car if... there’s NO dealer mark up! This is basically the price of a loaded is350. Also the same price as a similarly equipped m340i, c43 and s4. Assuming I can buy one of these at MSRP I’ll be buying one. Was dead set on a new Supra for the same amount, but I’ll take a NA 5.0 V8 before it’s gone for good. Great video!
I am done with BMWs. My 2016 M4 has been nothing but trouble and now that warranty is expired I am pouring $$$$$$ into this stupid BMW. This will be my next car. Called Lexus dealerships this will be hard to get early next year.
Where you able to get one?
@@DLPTonyATL Not yet..
*reliable
Thing is you could buy a used CTS-V Sport for around $35k. Same 0-60 and similar HP
This car with a ZF gearbox would be a no brainer. An AWD option would be nice as well, although yes I get the appeal of RWD.
But, when or how could we buy one? I mean, as with most cars, they just don't exist....and when you think they do, they are just a mirage and actually have already been purchased by someone else.... you can't even build the IS500 on the Lexus website!
Excellent review it makes me almost consider getting a Lexus NOT fully yet but makes me consider it
I want to buy it but I can't afford it. It's not that easy to just go out and buy it. If that was the case everyone on the road would have this
I already put my deposit down!! Can't wait to get the car.
Congrats.
Yep, me as well over a month ago. Hoping for a launch edition.
Keep us posted on when you get it . . . intrigued to hear real world timing of cars in dealers and in the wild.
@@MotoManTV Will do!
I wish more reviewers knew how to fully disable traction control. The old pedal dance
Probably never gonna see this beauty in South Africa 😭😭😭😭
Just stumbled upon this review - fantastic overview and great technical breakdown of its performance bits! Originally ordered a 2022 BMW M3 Comp xDrive in June but still waiting for delivery 9 months later 🙄 The Lexus IS500 intrigued me since it was announced and I started actively looking for one in Jan 2022. Most Canadian dealerships started getting theirs (already spoken for) with one selling for an $8K markup, claiming it was a bargain. Somehow, the car gods felt pity on me because shortly thereafter I found a Launch Edition at a dealership for MSRP. It's been a month now and I'm daily driving it with winter tires! What to do with the incoming BMW though...
How do you still like the car? I’m thinking of picking one up in May. I’m coming from a c63 AMG 2021 sedan.
@@nefarious_saint I like the car, but have had to adjust my expectations. I had 2 previous Lexus IS models so I'm accustomed to the brand. But many first time Lexus buyers were unhappy with this car and sold it. It's NOT a performance machine, but a comfortable GT cruiser that celebrates the last NA V8. The handling is soft and it eats up brakes. So I can't recommend this car to most performance enthusiasts unless you have something else for that purpose
@@Kimchiguy79 thank you for your response!
@@nefarious_saint For what it's worth, I still took delivery of a 2022 BMW M3 Competition xDrive so that more than meets my needs for a true performance machine. The IS500 provides a good counterbalance of comfort and old school analog driving experience.
@@Kimchiguy79 my lease is ending in April. I need a replacement. Been looking at is500, m340i (should probably look at m3 comp but price is high) rs3, ct4 black wing maybe? All cars are different but within the same price range.
I’ve had a 2006 IS 350 for 14 years before it died. Then got the AMG. Before that I had an evo x GSR. I know all the cars are different but… I love the way the is500 looks, however drove a new is350 lately and hate how it drives. I imagine same thing but bigger engine?
Love the AMG but can’t keep it. Been in the shop for 70 days since I got it 🤣
Is your m3 reliable ish?
I don’t track my cars but drive aggressively when situations permit and do light canyon runs. Any advice?
Look back at the comments, told you. I was spot on the price.
Nice, I would always chuckle to myself when folks were saying this was gonna be 70-80k
it's a shame the rest of the car can't keep up with the motor. It just has too much old tech in it at that price. I'm sure it will be fun for most, but I just can't justify the purchase. with that said it will be more reliable than an Audi or Bimmer
Here's the rub. 10 years from now, this glorious V8 will not be produced any more.
You have 4 choices, the GSF, the RCF, the LC500 or this IS500.
Which one do you bet the farm on and collect?
I'd go LC500, but kudos to Lexus for making this legendary V8 so affordable in the IS
LC will be the collector's item but they all hold their values pretty well anyway.
Not hard to determine . . . history tells how the values will break down. It's always the convertible, followed by the 2 door, followed by the crazy powerful 4 door. Only exception are super rare and odd ball limited runs. They sit above the convertibles. Look at the values of any series of muscle cars from the 60s and that logic will apply to these.
IS-F GT with a 600hp n/a V8 would be more rarer than an affordable LFA, but if they're still committed to it before electrification, make it at least competitive (unlike the RC-F, which if a refresh is due should look like the IS with two doors instead of four) with BMW or Cadillac's V division. And I'm still wishin the LC F becomes a real performance flagship someday.
Engine sounds awesome, styling is sharp and Q Ship like but not heard one reviewer really extol the handling virtues. Makes me wonder if a top trim $53k G70 is a better handler.
The IS500 isn’t really providing that value I was looking for, but I could see it being worth as much as it’s priced if you’re drawn to the novelty of an n/a V8 being stuffed in a smaller sports sedan. Everything else seems “meh,” honestly, and I was disappointed to hear that this basically drives like any other IS in the line up, but with just more power. The other hurdle I imagine will come up is once these hit the lots, the dealers are going to want to tack on an additional 10-15k, maybe even 20k, if you want to snatch one directly off their lot.
It was always going to be priced along with the competition they named, C43 and 340i. So ur estimate, causing people to whine in the comments, was way off to begin with.
11:09 If you wanna drive fast. Go to the track to learn how to operate fast. Then take those skills to the street. I do that with my Ducati. Your such a better driver/rider for it.
If you dont please stop, slow your roll buddy.
Great review, thanks!
The CT4-V 2.7T has 380 lb-ft of torque or almost the same as the IS500 for $49K. Then there is Blackwing!
NA vs. turbo.
@@tamasszabo8824 Toruqe vs hardly any...
@@normt430 I prefer the linear power delivery of a NA engine. It is not all about numbers.
@@tamasszabo8824 sounds like someone hasn't driven a screw style supercharger V8.
@@normt430 You are correct.
When my 08 IS F (currently with 356k miles) decide to call it quits, this will definitely be the replacement!
Are you the one on Club Lexus who bought it used with 333,000 miles?
@@gabeh7373 yes that’s me!
You should update that thread because a lot of guys on the forum are curious on how that car is doing with the amount of miles you have on it😎
Kinda surprised by all the m3 talk. Even before pricing was released Lexus had made it pretty clear this is meant to be a 340 competitor not an m3. If it were they’d have called it the IS-F.
Anyway I totally agree that we all have no excuse for not buying this. But…somehow we will all have excuses and then complain when it gets cancelled in 2 years
At least Cadillac Blackwing is M, S, and AMG, competitor. Nothing from the Japanese.
@@normt430 true but I prefer a more daily driver oriented car with a nice v8 like this. Much cheaper than an m, s, AMG, blackwing competitor as well. Be hard to choose one of the competitors 6 cyl turbos over this for similar money
@@richardh3587 We're in the same boat. The IS500 sounds like the perfect daily driver for me. If I wanted a track car I'd buy a Mustang, Gr86, 350Z, or Camaro SS. I hope Lexus sells plenty of these.
@@timw2083 Lexus doesn't make high performance lux sedan like Cadillac or the German's. They rather give you a decade old engine technology.
@@normt430 LOL....by all means, enjoy your Blackwing, AMG, M or whatever.... you are on every comment saying the same thing. Many of us will get the IS500 and be perfectly fine with the performance of the 2UR-GSE.
Can't wait for the 2023 is-F twin turbo v8!!
We don’t do nothing about it, because car enthusiasts don’t buy new cars. We typically buy used cars and constantly mod them because we usually don’t like nothing new.
Ordering one Monday
The MK8 Golf R (with the dual clutch) can hit 60 in about 4.0x seconds... And it barely has over 300hp. This car would be probably hit 60 in the sub 4s range with a ZF dual clutch.
There is no such thing as zf dual clutch
I don’t think I have any excuse not to go and buy one. Lexus, take my money.
Cadillac V is you want to do light duty track days where the IS500 wont be. Or specifically Blackwing for the baller in you!
@@normt430 I have no interest in tracking a daily. Cadillac V doesn’t have an NA V8. This does.
@@michaelbrown9363 yeah, it is down about 200 lb-ft of torque because of it.
@@normt430 Configuration preference is not all about specs. Yes a TT V6 has more torque than an NA V8.
@@michaelbrown9363 sounds like someone hasn't driven a screw style supercharger on a V8?
They need to put a proper manual transmission in these. There are only *THREE* sedans in the new US market with a front-engine rear-wheel drive layout with a manual transmission. BMW M3, Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing, and Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing. And two of these three are limited production runs. Such a shame. #SaveTheManuals
Blackwing...
Yamaha like R1M. Yes they make pianos but they make the fastest motor vehicles too.
If I had the money I would grab one. I got no issue with wanting one.
BRAVO Lexus!
sad thing is its marked up like hell, costs around 80k
So are Sienna Minivans.
Motoman, is Lexs expected to keep the current IS500 into 2025MY with the NA V8?
V8 rear drive. I badly want one
i would buy one asap but they dont sell em here in switzerland! guess i gotta stick with the IS-F
Sir, I drive a station wagon with a manual transmission. Can I buy an IS 500 manual wagon?
cannot afford it, but can dream about it
@MotoManTV can you get Kumo to get with his Lexus contact ask them to give more IS500 information and get the allocations posted up in the system?
We have 3 cars with V8 naturally aspirated engines, only 1 Audi with 3.0T supercharged engine running 333 HP. You can guess the least exciting engine is the V6. BUY A V8 BEFORE THEY ARE ALL GONE!
i would love to buy one but i cant afford 2 car at the moment, plus winter will be a pain in the ass with a RWD so i cant buy this as the only car
the 2020 Supra or IS 500? Please tell me your vote?
OK, love this thing!! Now I am debating trading in my RC 350 F-Sport for one of these ….
I think 500hp would be adequate for a full ISF version
Surprised you didn't hate on the fact the interior was completely black
The GT3 version would be similar to the Jaguar Project 8.