How to DESTROY Whitney in a HGSS Hardcore Nuzlocke
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- How to GUARANTEE Beating Whitney in a HGSS Hardcore Nuzlocke
Hardcore Nuzlocke generally considers the first 8 gym badges for a nuzlocke because the latter 8 are too easy, which is why I didn't include it.
My second time making a nuzlocke video :), let me know if you like this stuff and I should keep doing it
the tldr is find a way to guarantee a particular pokemon
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In the original Gold, Silver and Crystal I just used the Fury Cutter TM that Bugsy gives you. It gets stronger against the Cleffairy, and then OHKOs the Miltank. In the remakes, yeah... It was a bad time.
Which is funnily enough the same strat speedrunners use, since they need fury cutter for Bayleef anyways and is more reliable than rage.
In the original ghastly was an automatic win v.s miltank as no scrappy and curse will kill miltank since they have to rollout to hit ghastly, slight less reliable in hardcore as ghastly might die to rollout but not super likely dont think.
whitney has a clefable in gen 2
By Gen 4 there's good fighting type moves, which were lacking in the early gens
@@Flygonnerrs she doesn't, what do you mean?
Videos like these are honestly some of my favourites. No fluff, no filler, straight to the point, and amazingly made. Keep it up! :)
just wait till freezai gotta sponsor,still gonna watch tho
@@souleymanediawara7714 I wouldn't be mad if he had sponsors, he deserves to get some money for the effort he puts
>no fluff
bro i just set featured in sponsorblock at 1:50
@@mr.cauliflower3536 what are you on about? Try and use more words.. Nobody understands what your trying to say.. 🙃🙃
@@mr.cauliflower3536 I'll check back later. I get the notification where you probably explained it, but cannot see the reply no matter how many times I reload the page.
I learned recently in my nuzloche that Exeggcute is a decent counter to Miktank as well, with access to Leech Seed and high defense which can be boosted higher with Reflect.
To my knowledge this is the only Pokemon with access to Leech Seed before the level cap of 19, and due to Miltanks naturally high HP stat you will be recovering off a lot of the damage she inflicts every turn.
Exeggcute can be found headbutting trees on Route 34, 35, and 36 to name a few, so you can guarantee it as well before Whitney with similar planning.
Plus Exeggutor is fairly strong in its own right, thx for the advice.
People don't realise that Exeggcute has higher defense than Gyarados, Trevenant or Seismitoad
People don’t use it Bc getting a leaf stone in johto is impossible
One of SilphSpectre’s runs showed me the power of Exeggcute against Whitney.
@@TwoBsTwoTs One NPC on Route 34 (Picnicker Gina) can sometimes call you telling you that she found a Leaf Stone, and once you talk to her, you’ll get one.
Plus, there’s also the Pokéathlon.
You can poison Heracross very easily by just fighting wild nidoran in the patch of grass right outside the south entrance to the national park. They can have poison point and will likely poison you after a few contact moves.
Edit: just remember to bring plenty of potions so it doesn’t die on the way back to the gym
I'm pretty sure you won't faint from poisoning in Gen 4.
In fact, doesn't it heal the poison when it reaches 1HP?
@@astaldo Ok then the poison goes away making this strategy pointless
@@astaldo thats starting in gen 5
@@fluffybabyyodasuwu4829 No it starts in Gen 4.
When i fought Whitney, it felt like a Totem Battle; it took my whole team to defeat it.
First I paralyzed it with my Flaafy
Then I lowered its accuracy and attack with my Quilava
Then I Leech Seeded it with my Sunkern
After that I just let my Togepi go soak up the EXP and happiness
I love it when static and t-wave combo to negate that stupid lum berry! Was legitimately surprised to hear about a sunkern tho. Props.
1:28 oof the hydrocanon out of metronom. that not only OHKO that geodude, I'm pretty sure it dealy psychic damage to the real life player
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Are hardcore Nuzlockes actually difficult if you know what you're doing?
Depends on the game you play. Black 2 is notorious for having a very tough early game because Cheren's team can wipe the floor with you if you get a little unlucky with encounters.
It depends, I know in Oras if you do low level caps wattson is very difficult as you have to face a level 21 magneton with only level 19 pokemon, you miss out on a lot of key evos, and you can't rely on ground types because of confusion
In vanilla games, absolutely not. If you try your hand at romhacks, they are. But even then, after gym 3 or 4, most of the games are still a breeze if you keep a lot of pokemon alive; the E4 is the only threatening thing there.
Depends on the game, they can be tough if you play BW2 Challenge Mode or USUM
Try emerald kaizo
In normal Game Play Bayleef is surprisingly useful (it's very weak to unwanted Crit(. Especially if it's a female one, since it allows to negate Attract.
Bayleef has two amazing moves by that point: Reflect and Growl. They can also heal themselves with Synthesis. Reflect simply cut all physical damage by two, and Growl diminish Miltank's Attack even further. So eventually, excluding a Crit, it will eventually do barely any damage.
Sadly Bayleef can't do much damage, the best option would be to try to hit two Poison Powder (since it has a Lum Berry on the Remake). But switching on your team powerhouse is a better option.
Clearly not as efficient, but since it's one of the rare time Chikorita really can shine, it's worth noting.
The only thing its useful for is walling Claire's Kingdra.
@@LeonRedfields that too.
As I love the Chikorita line, I almost always pick it. Then I laugh at the people who complain about Whitney
When I played HGSS, my Meganium was able to single-handedly clear Claire's gym and one of Lance's Dragonite with level cap. That line can do more than what you expect from them
True, Chikorita is useful exactly on the two toughest fights. Kind of a bummer how picking it makes ww2 look like a walk in a park compared to the Bugsy battle, if you don't have a rock type, of course.
Man, I wish Heracross was this good in the original Gold and Silver. Back then it just learned a million normal-type moves since apparently Game Freak had a fetish for the normal type back then.
Ahh, gen 2, when Heracross's best Fighting move was Seismic Toss...
I really love this new type of content. It's a fresh breath of air
In my HG Nuzlocke, the Clefairy's metronome turned into Blast Burn... but luckily, my Nidoran survived with 1 HP. For Miltank, I sent out Gastly and used Curse, but forgot about Scrappy, so it died to Miltank's next attack. It took Heracross and Croconaw together to take it down.
Your content is fantastic regardless of category you're covering. As a long time player, starting with gen 1, I enjoy your analysis of all aspects from the strategic viewpoint.
I enjoy the way you script your videos, you have a no nonsense, right to the point introduction, and the way you don't condescend people new to the concept, but break it down matter of factly, and then get to the main idea early on.
You are the best pokemon video essay writer and presenter CZcams has, Keep up the good work dude
Cool idea to tell about more than just showdown. Very creative
Love these nuzlocke vids! Keep up the great work :)
Loving these nuzlocke videos! Came for the competitive analyises and I'm loving the new stuff just as much, if not more!
The nuzlocke videos are really useful. Love your content Freezai.
seeing whitneys clefairy use Hydro Cannon with Metronome was Worth Clicking For
Love Hardcore Nuzlocke vids! Keep up the great work
might we see a freezai HC Nuzlocke? would LOVE to see that! i imagin it beeing really interessting to see how your way of thinking and knowledge about pokemon translates in such a challange!
I really like this new type of content
Keep it up!
Thanks for the video. I'm doing a hardcore Nuzlockes of HG rn and wish I used this strat for Heracross. I used the Machop to beat her, but it took some luck!
I've literally been playing my soulsilver just a couple days ago and I actually got the cute charm glitch legit. Great timing would love more hgss
Me, the guy who used Bayleef to stall the shit out of that cow: What's happening with the cow?
This is similar to why I grind for Sawk in BW; not only is it a significant Pokémon to me, it's extremely solid for the area/level you get it. Even with a basic Fighting/Normal/Ground/Rock movepool (barring tutors and trading), it's powerful enough to carry you through the game!
Great video. Considering how problematic Whitney is due to Johto's awful level curve, videos like this are very helpful to make her much more managable
Heracross is a wonderful Pokémon. One of my personal favorites. I dream about how broken it would be if it got the move Agility to use alongside the ability Moxie.
Your content is come of the best Pokémon stuff on CZcams.
Loving the nuzlock content!
I have used this strategy in all my HGSS Nuzlockes. Heracross is such a great Pokemon and it is an autowin against the 3rd and 4th gym
Shadow Claw is so clutch before Morty
@@stellarknight04 togepi can also KO all of morty's pokemons as ghost type dont affect normal types and togepi's extracenssory is super effective.
please keep making nuzlocke vids, for HGSS in paticular, though I would also like to see B2W2 nuzlokce stuff too
That metronome hydro cannon almost made my spit out my drink
Man loved it thanks
I was about to start a Sacred Gold Hardcore Nuzlocke, so this is great!!!
In Sacred Gold Whitney has a team of six...
@@stellarknight04 I know, she has 6 Miltank!
Thank you for this heracross is my favorite pokemon
Absolutely kino content as always
It's always bugged me (just a little) when someone says "sparrow" instead of spearow (spear-row). Honestly, the names should be swapped since Spearow hides its fear with aggression and Fearow has a beak that looks much more spearlike.
But spearow is more like a sparrow.
And fearow is more fear inducing than spearow
@@adamkaris This is also true.
Good observation.
I also think that Psyduck and Golduck had their names changed. Golduck has matured its psychic powers and its jewel is believed to grant psychic powers to humans. Psyduck being yellow fits makes the suffix gold being a better fit.
@@matheuslopes3304 tfw golduck isn’t psychic type
"Sparrow" is a "Pokeymon"
I love these knew nuzlocke videos
Just lost my nuzlocke to whitney, honestly it felt like a kick in the stomach. I thought that Nidorino's double kick would have been somewhat decent but the damage was awful, it swept my entire team thanks to attract which blocked my attacks basically every time, and I'm still very salty about it. Gonna use your guide to fucking destroy her in my second run, tysm!
I’m liking this hc nuzlocke content
I really like the nuzlocke content!
Hey Freezai big fan of the videos and it’s crazy to see how long your content has come. Could you do a video on why there isn’t an OUBL?
I mean, Ubers used to be just OU's ban list and nothing more formally, but I hear ya.
The thing is, Ubers isn't formed like regular tiers. Regular tiers are formed through usage and BL is formed through bans from lower tiers, so an UUBL for example means "not used enough to be OU but too strong for UU". Ubers on the other hand is defined as "too strong for OU". To be in a BL a mon has to be too strong for its lower tier but not enough usage for the next higher usage based tier, but since there is no usage based tier over OU, that means that Ubers essentially is OUBL.
Great breakdown but it’s the second one for HGSS. I *_love_* these games but others like Platinum and the Gen 5 one also have cool strats like this.
I'd love to see you run a Renegade Platinum nuzlocke
Video Idea: Baton pass was Legal in gen 2-4 competitive Pokemon. Here why.
"i fear no man, but that thing... it scares me" both miltank and heracross fit in this context
I used to wonder why I never had trouble with whitney when I played SS now I remember I specifcly grabbed a heracross before tackling her gym
I remember once I bought the fire blast tm in goldenrod department store, taught to quilava, and ohko'ed the miltank under blaze
thank you from all nuzlockers
I got a Jolly Guts Heracross in my first SoulSilver nuzlocke, and it was easily the MVP of the entire run to Red.
oh man, childhood memories of Whitney's Miltank in Pokémon Gold... I feel old
Managed to land a Heracross as my azalea town encounter in my latest hg run, and quickly realized how absolutely busted it was lmao.
I’m on my fifth attempt of my first nuzlocke right now and Whitney has taken me from 0 or 1 deaths to restarting four times in a row already. My only other deaths so far have been one intentional sacrifice and one crit Ember from the Magmars right outside the city. I was only able to get the trade Machop twice thanks to bad encounter luck-the first time she flinched every single turn she was out, and the second time she got to attack once before being crit by Stomp.
Two of my starters have been OHKO’d by Stomp crits (one of them on turn 1 😭). On my best attempt I had a Nidorino that got two defense drops off with Rock Smash but the Miltank just heals and it’s all for nothing.
I’ve written out pages and pages of strategy ideas using Static, wasting her Lum Berry as early as possible, Flash, Leer, Synthesis, Encore, having multiple high crit chance moves on the team, defense drops-but none of it means _anything_ when I’m going 4, 5, 5+ turns in a row without being able to move at all. And Miltank seems to crit with stomp a LOT. 3 times in an 8 turn battle where my Razor Leaf hasn’t crit once yet? 😬
I’m incredibly frustrated and now I just don’t think I’m attempting this battle again without the Heracross encounter. I haven’t gotten it yet but maybe if I start using dupes clause something will change. Thank you sm for this!
I've literally never lost to Whitney across multiple playthroughs of hgss. Haven't hardcore nuzlocked it before tho, might try that in the future
Man I love heracross. That cute bug carried me through most of legends arceus
1 - Farm speed EV
2 - Insert POISON for GUTS
3 - GG EAZY
Dunsparce can also beat this fight if you do glare and serene grace headbutt strats, especially if you give it sub and roost and beat clefairy with a sub up
50k soon!!!
Could you do a video on how to play voltorb flip? I legit have no idea how to play it and the videos I’ve seen on it have not been helpful. This was a sick video!
Inconsistent luckfest, I love this expression
Whitney is the reason that I have a "No more than two mons" policy before I beat her gym. Any more than 2 and you spread the exp you can get a little too thin, but with two you should be nice and properly leveled in a casual playthrough. I have a similar process when trying to make Firered easier, but its more for clean progression when working my way towards the elite four than for Misty or Serge.
Dunno of you'd be interested but I think videos analyzing the pvp scenes of other games like Pokemon GO/Unite would be interesting.
Like for instance, in Pokemon GO there are three main leagues, Great, Ultra, and Master League divided by the total CP of a Pokemon. Due to how pvp works sites like Pvpoke can determine how overall useful things can be. For example in Ultra League, Registeel is ranked as a #1 overall Pokemon due to the sheer amounts of 1v1s it can win.
Freezai and Pokemon Challenges Nuzlocke collab when
ayy, my homie Heracross. nice.
Here's a really easy way to beat Whitney: Dunsparce. The only other two pokemon that you can get in Dark Cave is Geodude and Zubat which are really common in places like Union Cave, Slowpoke well and Route 46. And, while setting up on Clefairy is risky, it's not at all hard to get 6 defense curls on Clefairy (especially if you put Clefairy to Sleep with any mon with Sleep Powder from Ilex or Gastly's Hypnosis), use Glare, use Rage to get a few attack buffs, glare Whitey's Miltank twice (once to get rid of Lum Berry) and she's yours for the taking
You really want to get your zubat encounter in dark cave.
but if you get crit once by miltanks stomp its over cause dunsparce doesn’t get reliabe recovery in gen 4
@@thepidgeyturtle793 But headbutt is like a 3-4 Hit KO if you get enough rage buffs. So yes it isn't guaranteed, but it's very likely
I always caught a female Geodude before fighting Whitney, that's how I figured out this fight as a kid playing the original Gold and Silver.
I've been reading the comments, and I'm surprised at how civil they are, despite the topic. Not what I expected.
most recently i would just use a graveler with magnitude and rock polish in the face of clefairy
it pretty much beats miltank clean at +2 speed
Edit: i guess it still depends on metronome rng but even then if clefairy has to use metronome to counter the strategy i dont see that as a true menace
plus clefairy isnt super particularly bulky
You can also encounter heracross in the route across the gate from the first route
I see you’ve tried your own HGSS nuzlocke, mister youtuber man?
How’s it going?
Strange.Never have i ever got stuck at Whitney in any runs.I still use a casual Quilava with Flame Wheel.
Heracross is Pokémon perfection clearly
if you feel like Reseting a ton I find a female Chikorita has a good matchup vs Milktank. Guaranteed encounter and depending on your Nuzlocke rules can even get setup moves from the game corner. Kinda overkill vs one mon but its a reliable option.
Tip: I don't know if there's a better pokemon for it, but ledian is actually useful for the elite 4. Will is a bit to risky for it to be consistent, and I had a counter for koga so I didn't try it there, but basically, ledian is a good support for swords dance substitute baton pass, and it gets early bird, making healing with rest better. Bruno can basically do nothing to ledian with his lead, and for Karen, thinking back if ledian was faster I could've probably set up directly against the umbreon, but what I did was lead with my miltank to bait out her gengar. Which can basically do nothing to my ledian because it's moveset is garbage. I don't know if any pokemon is really a better option for the elite 4, but as a point on that hardcore nuzlocke, let me just mention that I really should've prepared for Lance better. Only dragonite died but it was still a big risk
How do you get a dragonite vs lance in a hardcore nuzlocke?
Idk about HG or SS but in the original G/S I never had an issue with her Miltank. I played it for the first time like 10 years ago so knew all the memes, was expecting it to be very hard and then it was super simple
I haven’t struggled with Whitney and in my last two Johto nuzlockes got lucky because in one I had a Fearow and the other a Dunsparce and clafairy used metronome and both times it was swagger, and both times I broke through confusion immediately. I can’t remember what Fearow used to one shot Miltank but Dunsparce was building up Rage and two shot it
Fearow is above level cap though, so it isn’t viable in a hardcore nuzlocke
@@spegasparce1389 true, but Dunsparce I believe was level 18 so that’s justified
All this talk about heracross is just reminding me of the one I lost in Rock tunnel from self-destruct geodude
I know I don't do nuzlockes as there not much harder than normal runs to me, but if it counts I just use the gift spearow, It can beat whinty alone around 90% of the time with any support to cover its set up
You can't use it because it is level 20 so it surpass the level cap.
@@alejandro_rodriguez_99 ah than onix it is
Have you seen LuckySevenDX's HeartGold Nuzlocke? Clefairy OHKO'd his Croagunk with Psycho Boost.
I would love to see you do a nuzlock in a ROM hack
yeah i was playing renegade platinum and got an adamant guts heracross from honey trees and it unfortunately immediately died against gardenia
Tbf I just used the baby pokemon with charm that THE GAME GIVES YOU
Also route 34/35 you can catch a nidoran, both learn double kick and they beat Whitney
Good video! btw spearow is definitely not pronounced exactly like sparrow the animal, like what would be the point...
Man I never struggled with Whitney cuz I'd always buy the Fire Blast tm from the mall and just kill that thing in 2 hits.
My favorite Pokémon is heracross so this pleases me
I just ran through Emerald version and use the repel trick to guarantee a Skarmory
Ok now do one on the first gym of black and white 2.
I went through Fire Red, Emerald, Platinum 1 run each and for some damn reason ive wiped twice in heartgold (Will & Whitney)
Never lost to her GIGACHAD
Mouse cursor at 2:16 I'm telling Nintendo.
my Strat right now is beat clefairy with female geodude, then swap to ghastly to hopefully avoid stomp, sac it for curse and then stall with geodude. Edit: never mind it has scrappy.
My main strat is get a Geodude and use rock smash. It never failed, and even if it got attracted I could just use protect on it's replacement to stunt the Miltank's rollout and abuse it's lowered defenses for an easy ko.
You can get infatuated even if you use Protect
@@stellarknight04 I am implying I either swapped or let it die, "I could use protect on it's REPLACEMENT". I never had to use the backup strategy though. Personally I don't value Geodude much, it's kinda dead weight after Whitney in HeartGold. So if it died to win the battle, I would be fine with that.
@@hunterotte9555 unless if you're not doing a Ground Only Nuzlocke, you can just sac it
@@stellarknight04 never tried a monotype run, so I wouldn't really know.
@@hunterotte9555 I did 2 runs one of which is what we were talking about, and the other one was the Normal Only run.
Certain encounters in monotypes can be life savers like the 50% Water Absorb Wooper I got (because I let the rival pick Totodile) and Sandshrew, which in my opinion can probably Solo the entire game if you're patient enough to give Atk and Sp investment, and access to Swords Dance and Substitute in Goldenrod. Set up against Clefairy and sweep with Dig or Fight-Type Natural Gift, Shadow Claw Morty's team, Aerial Ace Chuck's team and by this point you probably get Yawn Quagsire which helps immensely.
The Normal Type run was decent, a lot mid niche Pokemon except Taurus and Miltank. And then some real powerhouses Post-Game like Snorlax and the Togekiss you'd be able to evolve.
If you took cyndaquil smokescreen is your best friend against miltank
I had Sand Attack and Flash on all 4 of my attempts of this so far and it really hasn’t helped much yet. Once she lands one Attract, it’s over whether or not you risk switching out into a Stomp. On the attempts where I got a little luckier with her missing she still just heals if you get any decent damage off.
Lowering accuracy _can_ help but it doesn’t make this fight exactly manageable!
I usually just one shot kill with fireblast
Heracross is such a goat
How it would be if there was an object like flame/toxic orb, that instead of burning/poisoning, it paralyzes the user?
why would anyone use that
Paralysis is useless compared to poison or burn. It halves the speed of the Pokémon and has the chance to make them unable to move. Those traits are undesirable compared to the damage from poison and burn. For Pokémon with abilities like Guts, Quick Feet and Magic Guard (which utilize status conditions) burn and poison is infinitely better solely because the don’t hinder their speed and they are guaranteed to move.
@@pixel3042 It wouldn't even be used for Fling because Light Ball can do that.
1:23 lmao
In most speedruns Whitney is considered deadly not because of Miltank but because of Clefairy's Metronome.
I just made an attempt of this battle today and while my Bayleef was out, Clefairy got Heat Wave, then Heal Order, then Icicle Spear with Metronome. It’s dicey even for non-speedrunners 😭😂
I don't remember for sure but I thought I disabled milk tanks rollout as my strategy
edit: yeah you can get drowzee on route 34 and then use disable to prevent a rollout sweep. this was my strat as a kid not for nuzlocke
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