Why Was Garchomp Banned in Competitive Gen 4 Pokemon?
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- Why Was Garchomp Banned in Competitive Gen 4 Pokemon?
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0:00 Why was Garchomp Banned?
4:35 Why Isn't It Banned in Gen 5?
5:58 Is Garchomp Good in Ubers?
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Gen 4 Garchomp walks in a bar and the bartender suddenly gets really nervous because there's no counter
You copied this comment from false swipes video on gen 4 garchomp because it is the top comment. That’s sad, very sad
@@MrMonkey2150 yeah cuz I watched that video like 2 years ago or whenever it released and it came to my mind because it was funny as hell, I thought I might as well share it with more people so they laugh too. It's not "very sad", shut up
Any false swipe reference is a good reference
@@MrMonkey2150" um actually you copied all of that off the English dictionary so your even worst 🤓"
@@mischievousfish kid it’s late, go to sleep otherwise ur mum is gonna get angry at you for using her phone
It is worth mentioning that after a single sword dance on Attack + natures could 2 hit KO every pokemon in the game.
I’m pretty sure you’re right, even some moms behind reflect up still which is astounding tbh. And even can check fairy type w either STAB or slap on Poison Jab. Gets OHKO by max ATT+CB Weavile, or Scarfed Glaceon/ice type if it’s Yache Berry. How do you say no to this pkmn 😅
“All the attack in the world doesn’t mean anything if you get outsped and 1 hit killed”
The fact that you showed rampardos here gives this statement even more meaning
Imagine if Garchomp got Dragon Dance. What Kyurem-B had done to get itself banned, Garchomp would do it even better.
DD Haxorus has been already tearing everything whenever it gets a boost. Imagine Garchomp - the better version of Haxorus - could do that itself
Garchomp doesn't learn Dragon Dance?
@@NitroIndigo it doesn't
It has Skill Shot now. That would compensate its lack of D Dance
When I say Skill Shot, I mean "Scale Shot"!
If you've played any significant amount of gen 4 ou pre-ban, it's more a question of how it was ever legal than why it was banned.
Deo-s was busted too.
why?
@@dude99844 too fast, good coverage and very hard to revenge kill cuz it outspeed most of the scarf users
@@dude99844 its Swampert that hits harder but with 102 speed. The thing to remember here is that whil DP meta arguably have higher speed threshold than PT due to the beyond 100 speed mon being better(Gengar have 75% Hypnosis for example) 100 speed is still way too central of a speed tier of gen 4 so having your speed above it genuinely make every pokemon feels like theyre literal sonic
Back then, every team was Garchomp and 5 Pokemon geared around taking down your opponent's Garchomp. The phrase "overcentralized" got thrown around a lot.
@@Frank_Erz It was overcentralized. You had to use niche Pokémon sets on your team just to revenge kill Chomp. And then there was always the chance it wouldnt work anyways because of Sand Veil hax.
Oh boy I remember the forum discussion (not on smogon) about the "it has no counters" issue. Can't say how many times I read people mentioning ice shard weavile not knowing what a "counter" was. It was very unorthodox at the time to a non-wobb non major legendary to be banned, but this guy was really busted. Haban berry chomp was my favorite in early OU!
Worst part was revenge killer Weavile could miss under sand or get caught by a yache berry.
You ended up needing to dedicate a minimum of 2 team members to "handle" common chomp sets. If you factored in the rarer sets (sub & mixed) **HALF** your team was somewhat responsible to KO'ing chomp.
@@hugmynutus
Well actually weavile can break through yache berry. An ice punch from weavile can OHKO it through yache if I am not mistaken.
@@ricktam2841 You're correct, if Chomp didn't have any defense EVs (and it didn't, because not going full ATK/SPD would have made it worse in the Chomp mirror), full EV Choice Banded Ice Punch dealt 101.1% minimum against Yache Berry. Still doesnt change the fact that Weavile could never safely switch-in, bar some crazy Scizor U-Turn read that still had a solid chance to just kill the Scizor before the U-Turn.
@@ricktam2841 also to add on xhat the others said, weavile is pretty bad in dpp
People would then hit you with Cloyster calcs that showed it could live 2 hits with about 5% left and KO and they would say that was a real counter.
Garchomp is what happens when Gamefreak decided that it was finally time to slightly minmax their Psuedo Legends from all-arounders or mixed attackers to a terrifying Lightning Bruiser. They gave Garchomp the highest HP and Speed of the Psuedos in exchange for worse attack, special attack and defenses… with the Attack stat still hitting 130 though. We should thank the stars it relies on Swords Dance to buff since if it got Dragon Dance, everything just dies (like how a few ROM hacks have shown)
It has the lowest attack of all pseudos at the time tho. Not like it matters lol
@@Rarest26 Oops accidentally wrote attack lol
and then GF decided to give it a speed-boosting STAB move, now we have something potentially scarier than DD chomp
@@davidjimenez3822 scale shot is always a 50 base power move with my luck. But using ss with mega garchomp in national dex is fun
The mistake was giving it 102 speed.
another point that was sorta danced around in the video is the fact that Garchomp only had Sand Veil in Gen 4. Nowadays, evasion abilities would always be banned, but Rough Skin remains an option on Garchomp (and as said in the video, Garchomp is now freed from Ubers). Evasion RNG skews people's perceptions quite a bit, so perhaps Rough Skin being available in Gen 4 could have saved Garchomp (though I have my doubts because of how vital that glorious 102 speed tier is)
He did say unlike today, sand veil and items like bright powder had a different perception back then and weren’t enough to justify a ban by themselves.
@@sohn7767 aka they werent morons
@@sohn7767 which is accurate, but doesn’t quite paint the full picture as described here.
Not entirely. Frosslass only has Snow Cloak in Gen 4 and is still allowed.Mostly because Hail just struggles THAT BAD to reliably set up cheese with her in Gen 4.
Sand Veil was just a bonus on top of a laundry list of reasons why G4 Garchomp was so good.
@@fawfulmark2 well yeah that's partially because abomasnow sucks as a hail setter, whereas tyranitar is a very common (and good) pokemon in general let alone a good sand setter
A max attack Garchomp with a Swords Dance boost was able to 2HKO every single Pokemon in the DPP OU tier. The definition of a counter is "A Pokemon that can switch into an attack, survive it and then KO its opponent in return". The only OU Ice type that could OHKO a Garchomp with a Yache berry was Choice Band Weavile with Ice Punch. And now try to let Weavile survive a +2 STAB Outrage coming from a 130 base attack stat.
counter sash
@@StaciaHime A Focus Sash will be consumed when you switch a Pokemon into an attack, which means that you can't use it to survive another attack the next turn.
@@StaciaHime Sash won't reliably save your Weavile, Gen 4 introduced Stealth Rock and Scarf Garchomp outspeeds Band Weavile.
@@StaciaHime Imagine running Sash revenge killer in a meta with permanent sand Ttar and mons dedicated to getting up rocks.
@@aalamvirsinghdhaliwal1701 no point trying to argue with verlisify type fans. None of these dudes play showdown anyway
The fact that anything weaker than a Modest Specs Ice Beam from Vaporeon or Empoleon (or Banded Weavile) can't OHKO Yache Berry Chomp is evidence of it's brokenness
Landerous called and laughed at the idea of being OHKO'd even if it doesn't have a berry.
@@undercoverweeb cool Gen 4 contribution
@@greeeb. cool toxic comment ur so cool 🤓
@@themonoloco8245 the video was literally about him being banned in gen 4. Its called being off topic and irrelevant to the comment. Empoleon isnt a gen 5 pokemon either btw.
Like of course different gens have different bans and different power levels.
@@themonoloco8245 How was greebs comment toxic? The word “toxic” is a buzzword now and has lost meaning, this is a prime example.
Garchomps stats are pretty much perfectly distributed, with nothing wasted.
I remember all the arguments made back in the Gen 4 OU days, about how Chomp's bulk is better than freaking Swampert, an actual defensive Pokemon! I initially and quite naively thought he was manageable at first because I would run Ice Punch on my Metagross who wouldn't be OHKO'd by non-banded EQ and then OHKO back with IP and later when Latias was unbanned I ran a Scarf Latias which revenge killed Chomp, DDMence and DDGyara.
But it wasn't till I reached the higher ladder that I truly understood the horror of this beast. Yache berry prevented any sniping with Ice moves and Sand Veil made everything shaky unless you removed the Sand with your own weather. That Sub SD Set with Salac berry well and truly had no counters after a SD and Salac boost, you set that up late game and it's all over. Garchomp really set a precedent by being the first non-legendary to be banned to ubers.
Wobbuffett was banned before Garchomp because of Shadow Tag in Gen 3. There's the fact it could OHKO or 2HKO everything in OU with Life Orb and SD too. Of course, it can't run everything all at once (SubSalacSD falls short on power early-game but late-game, it's got more than enough power to clean everything up, ChainChomp or MixChomp can beat physically Defensive Pokemon easier but struggles against Cresselia, foregoing Yache Berry for a Life Orb or another item means a risk of losing to Ice coverage etc) but fact it also had a chance to beat its various checks for various sets due to Sand Veil and Sandstorm being so prevalent made that less of an issue.
@@ShiningJudgment666 Ah right lol I forgot about Wobba! Yeah he was in fact the first non-legendary to be banned. But I guess he was banned more out of a technicality due to Shadow Tag and his niche to guarantee at least 1 kill or setup, he wasn't threatening at all by himself and certainly not to Stall teams. Chomp on the other was capable of slaughtering entire teams if you weren't well prepared for him. Chain Chomp and Mixchomp were all extremely threatening and with the LO as you mentioned it over-centralized the metagame. It almost required running 2 checks with Ice type coverage and or STAB Ice Shard which at the time was limited to only a handful of mons!
Gen 5 would have been perfect if it wasn't for the crit mechanics.
@@NotGord there's a lot more wrong with gen 5 other than crit mechanics.
@@NotGord sleep comes to mind
I love how you manage to make short videos that are so densely packed with information, and yet they're easy to understand even for someone who's very unfamiliar with the metagame.
It's crazy how gamefreak can make some Pokemon so perfect in basically every way such as here. They could have easily left garchomp some actual checks by not giving it fire blast, or limiting its options by not giving it any set up moves like swords dance.
At least it wasn't given dragon dance.
Great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Was waiting for this video. This was one of the most debated topics back in competitive Gen 4/5. Really accurate review of the tiers overall.
It really wasn’t in Gen 4. Pretty much everyone agreed that Garchomp needed to go in Gen 4. It was 5 where it was a bit more controversial
Cause it was a dragon and it stole 2 speed points of hydreigon at the annual pseudo legendary meet up while it was still a trainee
Hydreigon was still terrifyingly threatening at the end of Gen 5 thanks to getting Superpower in BW2.
@@ShiningJudgment666 yeah I was just making a joke that it’s weird garchomp has a 102 speed stat and hydreigon has a 98 speed stat.
Now that I've gotten into these videos and am seeing so many "Dragon type had no counter" explanations, I'm really curious how powerful the Ice Type could have been if it resisted at least dragon.
The closest thing to a counter to Garchomp in Gen 4, was Avalanche Swampert, which no one used. And still swampert could die if yatche berry was present. Also, sand veil is a bs ability, so glad it got banned.
Scarf Cresselia with Ice Beam. Could come in on anything (EQ or SD are free) bar a boosted Outrage and outspeed and Ice Beam but it would need to be Modest (269 Special Attack minimum is needed for an OHKO) and it still loses to Yache Berry or a Sand Veil miss.
@@ShiningJudgment666 Kinda funny how many checks/counters end in "unless chomp has a yache berry"
@@emmetstanevich2121 Yep. Basically. And Sand Veil can allow it to hax its way past checks.
@@emmetstanevich2121 Garchomp was indeed banned because of the Yache Berry set. With Yache Berry, anything weaker or slower than a Choice Banded Jolly Weavile cannot OHKO Garchomp, but with a SD up, Garchomp can 2HKO every single Pokemon in the game (a +2 Jolly Chomp can 2HKO freaking Lugia in Uber). This just means that once Chomp got a SD up, nothing can switch into it, since Choice Banded Weavile got OHKO. Garchomp would always force at least an 1 for 1 trade, and if its checks were sufficiently weakened by its teammates, it could really 6-0 teams, which was too BS for the OU tier.
I fondly remember that an argument was brought up to NOT ban Chomp is that it would be too weak in Uber, but then when it actually got banned, it could really compete with the likes of Groudon, can break through even Lugia (Lugia started running just enough speed EV just to outspeed Chomp and fire off an Ice Beam, which is not even an OHKO even without Yache Berry btw, and Stone Edge gives Chomp a chance to OHKO Lugia back)
my man freezai watching big yellow videos for inspiration 100% here, no way the timing on covering garchomp is coincidental
I remember start playing competitive pokemon around this discussion, dragon/steel core was so powerful back then
Congrats on 50k subs freezai!
I love this short, informative videos
Garchomp was the reason i always had an ice type on my team. it dies to 1 ice beam, unless its holding that yache berry.
I liked using a timid Frosslass with Choice Scarf personally.
STAB does make a difference. A non-STAB Ice Beam user needs 269 Special Attack minimum to OHKO but that loses to Yache Berry and bulkier EV spreads make it less of a guarantee.
2 extra speed, mega attack, decent sp attack, bulk, and sand veil.
I dunno. I always felt safe whenever see Cythia's Garchomp mega evolve.
4:16, garchomp has every stat higher than or equal to flygon.
thanks for making these videos!! If you didn't, I would never know why these pokemon are banned! I would have to comb message boards and all I would get are snarky opinions. thanks for sifting through it for me and all of us!
It’d be really entertaining if Freezai ever made a guest appearance on FSG or w/ the agency/Joey
That is the reason why Garchomp in Gen 4 is sometimes referred to as the "Uber killer".
Yep. It can beat Lugia with the right set. Lugia had to change how it played as a Defensive Pokemon but it could still lose. Timid Lugia could lose to Scarf Garchomp with Stealth Rock and Stone Edge but did well against other sets as long as it packed Reflect. Bold Lugia was kind of the inverse. It could do well against ScarfChomp but gets outsped and loses to boosted variants.
love your videos freezie ♥♥
Too bad that its mega evolution hindered the stats that differentiate garchomp from the other ubers for two generations
Imagine instead of deducting MChomp's speed they deducted it's SpAtk and gave those additional SpAtk points to Speed. It would be unstoppable.
@@aalamvirsinghdhaliwal1701 that would make garchomp a poor man's eternatus
@@aalamvirsinghdhaliwal1701 i-i mean zacian
mega chomp was cool for a few mix attacking sets thanks to the higher special attack (same spattack as Kyurem-Black), and lack of LO recoil cutting into its bulk. It would also work a lot better at luring defoggers like lando and rotom-w due to the mega stone working as a bluff for a z-crystal
@@blastfreezer8785 Hell nah. Ideal MChomp (-10 SpAtk and +40 Speed, instead of the converse which is actual MChomp) would make it have 170 Atk and 142 Speed. This fucker would rule
the roost in Ubers and would single handedly give TTar a niche to help set sand for it to abuse Sand Force.
Amazing video. An instant classic
I have heard this story many times but it is still worth watching this video.
i love the gen 3 music in the background. gen 3 is the best pokémon soundtrack. it’s just absolute perfection
„All the Attack in the world doesn‘t mean anything if you just get outsped and KOed!“ - Shows a Rampardos getting outsped and KOed. Nice one, I see what you did there ;)
fsg tears
I've been looking for a good explanation of why Yveltal has risen to be one-of, if not the best pokemon in current Gen 8 ubers (with Zacian gone). I didn't think it was particularly noteworthy in Gen 6 or 7, what changed? Just a video idea I'd like to see.
Anyways, Garchomp is one of the most loved and infamous Pokemon ever, and I am here for it. Great video!
It walls Calyrex-S
it was very notable in gen 6 and 7. it's A tier on the gen 6 ubers viability rankings and S tier on the gen 7 one (it's the 3rd most viable mon in gen 7 ubers)
but to answer your question? it is the best calyrex-shadow switch in that's also splashable and has good utility in defog and strong knock offs which massively benifited from gen 8 removing megas, z moves and arceus forms. yveltal checking the second most broken mon in the tier being caly-S forces it on every serious team and causes it to be the best mon in the tier
Yveltal was always a top tier pokemon. In gen 6 its great movepool, stats and typing gave it slots on many teams; it was a great response to mega gengar and many forms of arceus. In gen 7 its main rival darkrai, previously the only dark type better the it got nerfed so bad it might as well of been deleted from the game, which made yveltal much better, now its top 5 in ubers. In gen 8 Ghost Calyrex is the best offensive pokemon in the tier, only fearing dark types and since yveltal is the best darktype, boom 80% useage; plus yveltal's other rival, dark arceus got deleted just like darkrai the generation before, so theres even less competitors for your dark type slot on a team.
I honestly wouldn’t mind if you didn’t upload daily if it meant longer, more informative videos like these
Can you do a video with moves that are commonly used or straight up busted before but now completely irrelevant and nigh useless? I think it would be an interesting topic especially with how absolute menace Wrap is in Gen1.
"All the attack in the world does you no good if you just get outsped and KO'd" while showing Rampardos was clever
0:09 the last part is the most important. Yeah, who cares about Caterpie's awful stats and laughable move pool, I wanna use Caterpie because it's BADASS!
Little late, but baton pass chain into it works for other stupidities for me
Good vid Freezai.
Good analysis on this topic, even though I don't personally agree with its ban due to Garchomp not being able to outspeed certain things and outrage was still a risky move to click and spam.
“What is garchomp?”
A land shark
National dex, sword dance, scale shot Garchomp always get me :(.
I'm detecting a severe lack of unaware clefable in your team diet
@@protonjones54 Except Clef dies to 2 Chomp Life Orb EQs after Rocks.
@@protonjones54 Yeah, one Pokémon
@@thecriticalghost4626 marvel scale milotic & multiscale dragonite also counters gar pretty hard
@@acekun6493 yeah but most people don't have orb on gar, and if they do then rocks won't always be up (maybe someone defogged already). I never come across this situation
unrelated but i think it’d have been incredibly funny if gen 5 gave chomp another broken ability like sand rush or intimidate
An guess before seeing the vid sand veil was op or the sets un predictabillity or luck to defeat sand veil?
Played a lot of gen 4 competitive when I was in high school and the gen 4 games were new. I remember Marriland had popularized SkarmCressBliss and used Garchomp often as well. I remember getting so burned out on OU on Shoddy Battle, I wound up playing UU more towards the end of gen 4 lol. Garchomp was just a beast in the sand. Didn't help that sand was really popular around then. Then gen 5 cane out and the meta changed to weather wars and I stopped playing competitively then.
1:13 that title goes to the the gen 8 pseudo legendary Dragopult
1:19
Bro you don't gotta do Ramparados dirty like that....
Because it's a fucking beast with perfect stats spread for the perfect (at the time) typing
I can only imagine the jaws theme during the early days of gen 4 ou
And now in gen 8 it gets a speed boosting move in scale shot. A 25 base power dragon move that hits 2-5 times and raises speed by one stage while lowering defense by a stage. This means it's able to keep up with newer gens faster mons and remain relevant.
And THERE HE IS... there's the boi! Cynthia's ACE in the whole. The TERROR of casual and competitive players alike.
What else can I add here? Lol. Garchomp practically has every good tool under the sun, is fairly fast, hits hard and is surprisingly bulky... Oh and Sand Veil is a thing so THAT gets a bit messy...
Fun fact: The same year that Garchomp was banned, Super Smash Bros. Brawl happened, a game that was also brought to its knees competitively by an OP character. D:
I have a theorymon Idea: How good would have been Garchomp in Gen 3 OU with Rough Skin as his ability (and without gen 4+ exclusive moves like Draco Meteor)?
I mean its just a better Flygon at that point, and gen 3 Flygon's in OU
@@shako4907 not sure if it is strictly better by gen 3 ou standars.
Garchomp has some notorius advantages like a much stroger eq/rock slide, the better speed tier and better bulk, but it has similar special attack and it lacks levitate, which makes it much harder to fit on certain teams that rely on many spikes immune pokemon. Banded sets also have a weakness to dugtrio if you kill something with rockslide, but that is more specific
@@hiei49 And of course, gen 3 means no physical dragon-type moves (and outrage hasn't been buffed yet), although I don't think chomp's complaining about STAB earthquake off a base 130 attack.
garchomp is what made me quit competitive pokemon. Only got back in gen 8. Apparently I quit just a few months before the ban too
Even with the Fairy type now existing, the fact that Steel is the only type to actually resist Dragon (without being immune to it) is really dumb…
Anyone else here to reminisce on the good days for The Chomp?
Fortunately, this guy doesn't get dragon dance. Haxorus gets this and when it can set up, it's incredibly threatening. Garchomp would be incredibly broken
The thing is, Garchomp now has access to a move called Scale Shot, which is a Dragon-type move that raises Speed at the cost of Defense, and Scale Shot + Swords Dance is generally regarded as being better than DD Chomp would actually be
@@grunkleg.3110 not really true since defense drop from scale shot leaves you extremely vulnerable to priority and scale shot can miss and only get 2 hits which usually fails to get a ko. Scaleshot can also be blocked by fairies.
DD is definitely better than sd/ss.
It still wouldn’t be broken, if garchomp got flare blitz though (makes sense since it’s a fighter jet Pokémon lol) then it would definitely be broken. Lifeorb chomp with dd,flare blitz, eq, and either outrage or aquatail (to smack lando) is pretty much unwallable bar physdef unaware clef
@@shahmirm7226 Important to note though, in 2 turns, Scale Shot + Swords Dance Garchomp gets +2 Attack, +1 Speed, and damage, while Dragon Dance would either mean +1, +1, damage, or +2, +2, no damage dealt. You just bring Garchomp in after you get rid of your opponent's revenge killers or use Garchomp's natural bulk to survive a hit from them, and you can go to town
Running SS means you’re basically forced to run SD, as well as it’s other drawbacks like inconsistent power or accuracy. DD frees a move slot, giving it more flexibility.
@@grunkleg.3110 for chomp, +1 speed and + attack in 1 turn is much more impactful than either +2 attack or +1 speed with a shitty attacking move.
Also like the other commenter said, with SS you are forced to run SD.
Meanwhile, even on a DD set you can afford to run stealthrock since edgequake is perfectly fine coverage
I remember playing Platinum and absolutely destroying the elite four with a single under leveled Garchomp. As soon as it evolved at level 48, it can take down the entire elite four by itself. No other Pokémon were needed. It was at that moment that I realized that I had definitely outgrown the difficulty level of the main storyline.
"Garchomp has no weaknesses"
Gen 5: say hello to Landorus-T with Hidden Power Ice
I played Gen 4 extensively pre-ban and Garchomp was ridiculously centralizing and on every single good team. On top of everything mentioned here, you could lose the entire game to Sand Veil hax because sand was basically guaranteed in Gen 4. He nearly ruined an otherwise great meta pre-ban.
Cosmic Power Deoxys was REALLY lame too.
Gen 4 garchomp walks into a bar. The bar tender is scared because there’s no counter.
Can we talk about how funny substitute looks in Gen 4 OU showdown like it has his little teeth :)
I remember playing when everything was still beta and banlists changed daily sometimes and you would have to constantly change your moves ,Pokémon and sometimes items and abilities
But garchomp confused me because of sash nidoking or using your choice item mon (tbh every team should have one to cover your teams offensive weaknesses)
Sash nidoking gets immediately popped by any entry hazard or any chip damage. You can't bring it in the entire game and are essentially playing a 5v6, and you cannot even switch it into garchomp since its slower. And even if it worked, not every team is gonna want a nidoking, or a scarfer, and even then, what scarfer? A lot of them get outsped by scarf chomp, so youd need something fast and frail, they can't switch into any move other than SD, you'll likely need a stab ice beam to kill chomp through yache berry (and even then might still fail), and baiting them in and double switching out is a thing. You can just wear them down through stealth rocks, which they're weak to, sand, spikes... and god forbid if chomp gets a substitute you're toast. If every team needs one specific scarfer to ""handle"" chomp and it doesnt even work half the time that means chomp is broken
@@stealthy9156 1 I didn’t say shit about using a sash nidoking So you went on about nothing for most of what was said
And then u also went on about how scarf chomp is faster than other chomps and can’t be one hit even by ice beam because of the yache berry
So you also apparently can run two items on your Pokémon
Also I said a team should have a choice to cover offensive weaknesses. Meaning it doesn’t have to be the scarf that handles chomp…
Like u pretty much ranted nonsense because of u really like garchomp and personally never experienced any problems running him
@@thatgamerguy6449 1"but garchomp confused me because of Sash nidoking" how else am I supposed to interpret this
2 i went "on about scarf chomp" because if you're staring down a gen 4 chomp and don't know its item, and you send in your ice type or whatever, and they get outsped because chomp turns out to be scarfed, you just lost your garchomp counter. If you're using scarf for this scenario, and chomp turns out to be yache berry, you don't ohko it and you just lost your garchomp counter. You don't know their item, they do, and they can just switch into a defensive mon since a choiced attacker who you know will click an ice move is pretty exploitable.
I do like chomp and i run into problems post gen 4, but you're misreading what I said pretty hard. Half the point of the vid is that there wasn't a defensive option to beat garchomp at the time. No fairy, no corv, no ferro, no unaware fairy type clef, and sub+SD takes advantage of too passive walls and good luck stopping +2 attack chomp in gen 4
Please do a video about dugtrio.
This pokemon has been banned on every generation except the first 3 because of its ability.
Why wasn't this pokemon banned in gen 3?
I believe it was mostly a difference in ban philosophies regarding trapping abilities among the powers that be back then compared to now
@@seanscott2677 Dugtrio was banned in gen 4 like 2 3 years ago
The closer reason to gen 3 was moreso its much less impactful and gen 3 meta is set up in such a way that theres an actual team with 6 flier than anything else
@@screwtokaiba yep it did take a while to ban duggy in gen 4. Maybe gen 3 ban is coming at some point
History, gen 3 was smogon's first metagame and it was developed dugtrio playing a key role in the tier, being able to trap and eliminate many top tier pokemon. Dugtrio is weaker in gen 3 too, it doesn't have some moves like physical pursuit (which is what dugtio uses to ko ghost type pokemon who can switch out of areana trap!) and theres no U turn that common pokemon like jirachi can use to give dugtrio free entry, in gen 3 dug has to use the rare dry baton pass or just get in like everybody else by switching in normally (not ideal with its low bulk!). A dugtrio ban would destabilize the tier and cause a butterfly effect that would get many high tier pokemon like tyranitar, celebi, metagross and blissey suspect tested with at least some of them outright banned. ADV OU is a very beloved metagame and nobody wants to flip it upside down
@@kingwailord4143 I love ADV OU too, but IF it is broken, then it should go; "broken checks broken" is never a good justification for keeping something in the tier nor is "this is the way it's always been". That's prob part of why it took so long for Duggy to get banned in gen 4 bc once the ban philosophy changed, DPP was already an old meta and many didn't want to "flip it upside down" so they kept it locked as is for quite a while
Also, the sight of a Garchomp strikes fear into the opponents heart by giving them Cynthia flashbacks
Even if Garchomp is voted to be unbanned from OU, he will become (Ubers), or "Ubers By Technicality". Basically, because Sand Veil is banned by Evasion Clasule, Garchomp will be Unbanned from OU but techncally it will still be banned because of doesn't have a usable ability.
It looked really cool.
The day Garchimp drops to UU and stays there is the day Pokemon will end.
actually during the zygarde days garchomp was considered a quite mediocre pick. at least now it has a differenciating factor from the Thousand Arrows-spamming snake (Scale Shot working as a speed boosting move for SD sets)
Gen 9 is out soon
That'd be hilarious honestly. A few of the OU typical threats in older gens are still very good, yet they're UU now (Scizor for example). It's crazy to see.
It really asks what we’re they thinking by giving it 102 speed.
banded sand veil chomp outraging in a sandstorm. good times
take me back to gen 4 where 102 was blazing speed
Unrelated but this was a shower thought of mine: why doesn't calm mind remove confusion?
Yes!
god I remember how things were back then, Garchomp made me quite butthurt, especially its damn speed
How I wish this thing got dragon dance. The fact that dd is now a tr and somehow Garchomp can't learn it is just bs
And who was the first non legendary pokemon banned?
Wobbuffet got banned in gen 3 because of shadow tag and wynaut followed also because of shadow tag
They banned mence too near the end of gen 4 out, back when gyra was good
The fact that you think 36% of subscribers is not enough is pretty funny, i don't want to be mean. If you check other poketubers they have a 1-2%.
I think you should really be proud because it means your content is engaging and original, not just good got a single view every now and then. Keep doing what you are doing :)
a lower subscriber percentage is good because its indicative of channel growth. All of the newest up amd coming youtubers who hit a stride with the algorithm have 1-5%. Higher percentage means the ppl who watch keep coming back but it also means the vids arent getting out to as much new people
I remember FSG saying the only thing that can take out and out speed Garchomp was a choice band jolly Weavile.
I respect overrated land shark’s power, but it’s still an overrated land shark
perhaps it isn't so much over*rated* but rather over*powered*
Gen 4 Garchomp makes you wish Ice types actually have resistances.
Lmao the guy at 5:25 is a Rolling Stones fan
it looked too cool
Just imagine if Garchomp got Dragon Dance
My favourite Pokémon ❤️
It's the reason why was the best mon Cynthia have
A (good?) Gen 8 counter to Garchomp is Contrary Shuckle with leftovers.
Bit of a stall, but first turn Shell Smash, second turn protect, third turn Power-Split, third turn protect, fourth turn Toxic, then alternate between protect and shell smash.
Obviously have to make sure their toxic Pokémon are out of play already, but once you deal with a team’s status Pokémon, Shuckle can become unstoppable…. Barring critics hits.
Fourth turn, fifth turn*
I bet garchomp likes coffee. you could say he's a cow for it.
How do i get that sprite with Cynthia and Garchomp? at 2:42
That's a custom avatar, presumably from winning a tournament on Smogon or some room event on Showdown itself
Funnily enough, stall mons work well against garchomp. I understand why he was banned but as a predominantly stall-team player, one toxic from a staller with protect was enough to dispose of garchomp. In fact, a well timed Quagsire castrates Garchomp with the Unaware ability + toxic/protect/recover/ .
I think stall-team players are the same kinda of people that like to watch paint dry
@@tiagocardosom quite the opposite actually. Good stall players are the types of players that try to calculate all possibilities like chess and react to each of them. Unfortunately in high ELO stall is objectively not that great though, because Pokemon is designed to be a kids game
Man, Quagsire DIDN'T HAVE Unaware in gen 4... You're talking about gen 5, when he was unbanned.
@@tiagocardosom it is quite engaging ur on the back foot all the time and lets say u screw up once there goes the game... u have to play pretty much close to perfection on an average MU
Unaware Quagsire? In Gen 4?
Maybe Sand Veil and permanent weather?
1:18 Dragapult:
Yay
Hail to the chomp baby!
Swords Dance Garchomp has no weak
As if we all dont know why this absolute unit got banned.
1:14 dragapult
Garchomp Alone being banned to ubers is a testament to Cynthia’s Champion Status.
Guess: that 2 extra speed
Edit: wow, that's a first