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Beautiful conscious great minds, beautiful conversation. Hopefully humans will become aware of the need of the hour. In my country india great leaders like Dalia lama's wisdom is practised by the mighty Indian armed forces, catholic nuns and priests schools, results have been proved. Indian values culture traditions will be proved by people who have power and mystical wisdom to help at this crucial and critical times. Love and peace to all. I have seen Dalia lama's wisdom at Tashi Namgyal Academy school.

GIDDY. THANK YOU for putting into wordstrings what I want to be able to say out mt mouth-hole when someone asks “so, how are things?!”

Just came across this. Really excellent, informative, and essential conversation. Thanks so much.

This interviewer is a twit.

Our course was set , when we mastered the use of fire.

The definition of religion is that to which we are bound. People who do not have a religious perspective are at sea and are prone to latching onto anything that grabs their imagination whether based on anything that is fundamental or not. Those who have a religious perspective, not balanced with reason, also have a problem. We need a balance between reason and feeling, as an emphasis on either one alone is not reality in its totality and presents a distorted perspective of reality.

Why do people like this pollute CZcams with incoherent driven so they can sell books? Save your money - read ancient writings like Tao Te Ching, available free online.

Hope your cat is okay Iain!

Gosh this guy is so articulate. What he was saying for me is so profound. We humans are on the wrong path of existence. I feel we are on a path of our own demise! Capitalism is such a destructive force.

Reminds me of The work that reconnects, from systems analyst Joanna Macy (Coming to Life} and others. She calls the next stage - if it is not to be collapse, The Great Turning. Something different we do not yet quite know but we can start to build now.

Niels Bohr also said, "what we think of as real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real."

Good stuff

In the reality im being sent our imagination isnt ours and neither is intuition. Every idea, thought, and gut instinct is lined up to create a specific outcome that whatever thing we are has no control over.

"I look/Around a world where I seem nothing, with/Thoughts that arise within me, as if they/Could master all things". from Cain, a drama by Lord Byron.

Angels discussing humanity. ❤

Fantastic conversation.

When at University some decades ago l sensed something sadly lacking in the intellectual endeavour. I was a mature age student so had some life experience and had read quite widely. I was familiar with Jung and decided that I would like to not only read but experience that process. When l made enquiries within the psyc. Dept. I was literally laughed at. None the less I found a Jungian therapist and that changed everything. Now an interesting dream from that first year clearly revealed that l was, in it's images, surrounded with media and because of this my vision was impaired. Now this was over 40 years ago. Now it was undermining then, what is it now. I would answer that by saying full on brainwashing. We can talk about this forever and not bite the bullet, and experience the pain of transformation. Jung said, and is correct people will do anything other than look within. This change that so many are speaking about is painful and personal. It's a process where we reach beyond the conscious ego to the deep Self. We end the chatter about and connect to what is real beyond the numbing of mass media, entertainment and date l say education. Dancing in the flames as Marion Woodman framed it in her book of that title. By the way the same people who laughed at my enquiry lined up to a Symposium we ran at the University some years later. Things had changed but oh, so, slowly

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There comes a time when, from some great reservoir of distilled water, the water becomes so transparent yet liquid, so apparently lacking sophistication while at the same time actually lacking sophistication. So tastless, yet wet. 🙏❤️🌎🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵 Goya saw through things in his artistry as they were with his paints hidden as one aquires eyes to see. Jackson Pollack, modern art, he cracked the egg open and penetrated with new eyes with an entire new way of painting. Capitalism devours with grinding forces of greed. Yes, we need a new way of living together without conflict and chaos with new leadership with a moral compass. What that is, one has to have awareness with insights and wisdom. Free Palestine is a new beginning. The birds have vanished into the sky, and now the last cloud drains away. We sit together, the mountain and me, until only the moutain remains. Li Po With deep appreciation again for being able to hear this conversation again. Indigenous cultures have much to teach our world. We hear their voices as they continue to march with colorful bird feather and paints of their cultures. The continuous efforts to save our nature , rivers, our oceans, filled with mammals, starfish, coral reefs, forrests, jungles, our elephants, lions, smallest creatures, the nectar of flowers, one hummingbird keeps the ecology alive in Costa Rica. Thankful to all the people in varies fields in marine biology, sciences, begin with Jacque Cousteau and all others who have deidcated with their specialized degrees care for our world. Plus , all those who create the documentaries that allow the world to see what is important to save our planet.

If you can recapture the word moral you can recapture any word - sacred spiritual

What a gift to humanity!

I really loved this presntation Michael. One of the things you brought out so well was this resonance between music and movement/dance. The dog vid was magic! On a personal level I was reminded of a few precious times when music, community, song and dance have all combined to produce an amazing psycho-spiritual experience, that was both transformative in the moment and had long lasting after effects. The experience was of a kind of coming home at a deep soul level, there was a sense of familiarity or return to something long lost or hidden. With it came a physical feeling of ease and lightness, like weights had been lifted off me. The effect was one of renewal and of being restored. Since that time I have been on a search to find more of this phenomena. Your presentation provided an excellent analytical frame work to help explain what is going on. Like you I see this a very useful practice for spiriual growth both on the individual and societal level. Thank you

Such an amazing dialog here! Thank you

21:55 The answer is given in the Kabbalah.

History is so important

Wonderful talk! Thank you! Including the soundbite was a crucial point for initiation, I found. The point is, initiation still is a challenge today, even with all music available to us at a click. It might even be more difficult today, I don't know. Back in the day I had to go to the library and listen through tons of music that didn't speak to me until I found what does. This is very difficult to pull through alone. Just listening to someone talk and share the experience of music-making itself, like Lonnie does here, I think makes a big difference to the possibility of initiation: czcams.com/video/HjiZWzeMl1w/video.html

Thankyou so much for this beautiful conversation. Zak's article brought me here and Exceptional State YT channel brought me Zak's link to the article.

This is such a great conversation that addresses an important issue to do with presence at a concert or while listening to music. br. Phap Linh Is my favorite presenter these days at the Plum Village virtual presentations So I had a nice stumbled upon this podcast. To understand more the connection between art and meditation would be so beneficial. I hope there are more of these , thank you the piece was beautiful as well.

3:56 attention as a moral act. 3:58 the McGilchrist maneuver

We need the skills to time a direction of movement through the space between the things that we know are around us - to find something new - that once we see it - we wonder why we didn't see it before. The skills for Wow moments.

I don’t really care what any particular person BELIEVES. You may believe that there is an old man with a white beard perched in the clouds, that Ultimate Reality is a young blackish-blue Indian guy, that the universe is eternal, that Mother Mary was a certifiable virgin, or that gross physical matter is the foundation of existence. The ONLY thing that really matters is your meta-ethics, not your meta-physics. Do you consider any form of non-monarchical governance (such as democracy or socialism) to be beneficial? Do you unnecessarily destroy the lives of poor, innocent animals and gorge on their bloody carcasses? Do you believe homosexuality and transvestism are moral? Do you consider feminist ideology to be righteous? If so, then you are objectively immoral and your so-called “enlightened/awakened” state is immaterial, since it does not benefit society in any way.

The Beautiful God does NOT need or want any circumcision.

I'm glad Ian has spoken out about wind turbines. Something I particuarly dislike is offshore turbines that you can see from the shore. Once you could look out to sea and see no works of man, only untouched nature. Now you look out and you see these vertical stalks poking out of the sea, like bars in a prison cell. Everywhere you look, you are surrounded by mans folly.

On occasion I believe I have had second sight. But it only occurs when I am doing something that is mentally challenging, and for a prolonged period. Could it be that in everyday life we are not challenged, and therefore do not excercise our mind. And when we do excercise our mind, then the analytical process just isn't enough to solve the problem, so we must recruit the other methods that the mind has, and therefore we develop a second sight.

Greg mentioned how music presented by the Nazis became a spectacle rather than the sacred entity which all music lovers know it was never intended for. But a music lover will never be fooled because they are attuned to the subtleties of expression. They can hear if truth or deceit is being sounded. One day we will learn that it is only through music education that we can know if we are being shown truth or fiction.

Excellent example of the power of music to induce metanoia in the gospel church scene of the "Blues Brothers" movie. I'd add that the unity of the multiplicity souls synchronized in a celebration and song offers an avenue wider and more profound than music alone. A tuning of souls in a common outpouring is a powerful transformative force. Thank you for posting.

Love, love, love this initiative Michael. Looking forward to much more in this direction. Lead us into a delirious dance.

"You shall know the truth and the truth will make you free." - Jesus of Nazareth. In the here & now reality of being you Michael, you are moving your limbs without the need to be consciously aware of 'how' your nervous system orchestrates that behavior. Yet you wrote that mind is synonymous with consciousness & talked about reality in way that clearly demonstrates your epistemic confusion about the nature of language & the nature reality. And if you must use movies to try & convey what you 'think' you're trying to say about humanity's obvious need to change our non-consciously orchestrated behaviors, in the context of the truth that sets us free, remember the push comes to shove line in the movie A Few Good Men, "you can't handle the truth!" The truth that humanity's still evolving consciousness sees us as little more than semiconscious talking heads with no idea 'how' we actually do being human or why the 'appearances' structure of the Christ narrative is a universal story about the the reality of being-in-time.

The English-speaking world has finally gotten its (perhaps improved) Henri Bergson.

Agood conversation. A shame to hear the nimbyism when a real issue arises like a wind turbine where Iain lives. The awe and wonder of seeing human engineering and nature working symbiotically is amazing. Iain I am sure flies and drives around using energy in others local environment.

It sounds to me like Ian is describing his fantasy land, trying to pretend it's deep and scientific, and Rupert is more than halfway playing into it. Whereas he should be saying, "this is just inconsequential BS."

I've never been so glad to be an idiot when I hear this man.

Made it to 18:30 and can't keep going. I have no idea what an "experiential world is" or how an organ can produce one (ex nihilo?), but even if I just pushed through all that, and even if I granted that brains or hemispheres of brains can attend to things (which they certainly cannot).... The fact that he thinks "they attend differently" clearly and obviously entails that "they produce different experiential worlds" means his way of thinking/reasoning is completely foreign to me. I have no idea how to make that connection, so I don't think I'm going to be able to follow the rest of this.

To describe this organization just from watching this video: Its about collaboration and destigmatizing the natural emotional reactions that emerge when faced with different ideas. Allowing ourselves to be uncomfortable and express why that is in a space where it is safe to do so. Safe as in, humility without persecution or ostracization. You are fully allowed by the group to be your true morally driven self. The group is seen as an organism striding toward civic cohesion through dialect.

I steered the story myself from a working class impoverished area ignored external events . Set personal goals . Lied to get pay increases job to job stating paid more than I was , travelled world saw culture belief systems for myself didn’t rely on media with all its propoganda ,, selected friends and family wanted in reality dismissed rest didn’t communicate with them , was frugal consumed less went for minimalism after having everything I needed big car etc , joined no clubs religious or otherwise and worked less , now feel nothings changed in my ress as city I’m still growing more fulfilled and still doing service as I feel fit for others who genuinely I feel are in need otherwise I don’t care for others . I’ll see my reality out till I die as it’s static and positive ,

Thought the intentions are well meaning it’s still a reactionary process. You need to create a non binary foundation grounded on self evident truths that transcends all people. Consensus building should be the goal by finding the common good with in people to become more open minded and less dogmatic

☀Katie Teague is a human and awesome

Good to see Illic get a mention.

Hi so at 17 minutes in the reflection about moving into practice and the different skill sets needed being more relational. I was wondering if this process was informed by group formation theory ? I’m sure it probably was ? Forming norming storming performing? If not google institute of group leaders

Im curious...is this bohmian dialogue? Have u heard of Tayria Ward phd she knew bucky fullminster personally...and she is an indigeneous /comparative religions/jungian expert...