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Lots of love for the Atari

Appreciate the support, thank you. If you have a Rytm, the project is available in the description so you can unpick it. 💜

No worries, glad it was helpful. You have a Rytm or similar? How has it been for you?

Cheers, nice one. Plenty of stuff on here. Hoping to get some new videos up soonish.

Cheers. No worries, glad it helped work be more bearable.

Cheers, glad you like it 🧡

No worries. Cheers 🧡

Thanks, glad the face is ok haha! Ah nice, yeah it can be worth sticking with if you can manage it. The Rytm just keeps on giving.

@@ExpectResistance Looking good ! The control Ins / sampled LFO's you demonstated once refreshed my perspective to working with it.... In any case, I've had the AR for about half a year now... learning quick i presume. But still hasn't gotten there... in other words, still struggling but super exited to finding my own working method / flow... Also hard for me to work with sound on a daily basis... I wonder how is it for others.

Nice! Yeah it takes a while. I definitely can’t do sound work everyday, although if not making sound I’m typically prepping, thinking or researching. It all helps though, even a rest day and playing PS5 or something 👍

Ah nice. I’ve not tried the A4 yet, sounds really good though. 25 days and counting.

@@ExpectResistance Yes.. Really really excited. But tbh, I spend so much time in manuals. But it always ends in having more overal knowledge about the devices. And it's like you stated, how I hated sound design. The moment I feel like it's time to introduce a synth to my wash machine, they start delivering the unique stuff.

@@ExpectResistance I've recently started Interconnecting hardware in the studio. It started by having insufficient inputs to the computer. Now I'm purposely creating drum sub mixes to be processed in other synths and back. I never used my synths as FX units. : /

Manuals are useful, although i always forget to read them. Hoping it all finds your sound ok For sure, there is so much mileage to be found in different connections and routing. I’ve been really enjoying using the computer for fx and realtime processing recently. Great fun

I’ve always looked for a different sound as not the biggest fan of the reverb honestly. However, it’s a good question and the one that immediately come to mind is from ex Elektron designer fors.fm/romb All the Max for Live devices here are very cool i think. I would like something similar to how the delay feedback works tho in software. I might have a dig and see what i can find

@@ExpectResistance Romb is cool! I think the Elektron reverb sounds really nice in headphones, good stereo image I think. The delay is special too!

It’s not bad. I find the length/size being connected to the stereo width a little limiting at times. I wish i could have those two separate.

It’s not bad although i wish the stereo width and length were separate parameters, as i find that a little limiting at times.

No worries, it’s pretty fun.

Hey Stefan, that’s very kind of you. I’ve been pretty hesitant showing my face but very happy i have done finally. My name is actually Martin, Steve Albini is a producer i mentioned in the video, we both wear glasses though 🤓 Super happy to hear the projects are helping you out on the Rytm, that’s super satisfying to hear. After people spend £2k on the Rytm, the least i can do is share some ideas with people so they don’t get stuck/frustrated like i did. Lots more to come. The DT2 does look pretty awesome i gotta say. A mate of mine tours a lot with his DT1 and he does some pretty nice stuff with it, and i love the smaller form factor, so have often been tempted. The new updates on the DT2 seem pretty exciting, super curious. I wonder of we will even get a Rytm 3? It better have an eq and sample cropping and more extreme pitching. Also better punch in the sound like the old Akai’s would be awesome too. Thanks again. Need to visit Berlin again one day. Nice place. Cheers

yeah and another one or two lfo’s would be great. And i would appreciate one Quick Performance Knob for every of the 12 Pads or at least for all 8 voices:)

Yeah totally, I would definitely prefer knobs over the pads as well. More LFO’s is always good. I did explore some wonky work arounds using internal audio routed back into the external inputs to have additional LFO’s, it’s not 100% but definitely works well enough.

Total accident when i found it. Just had it running out mono and knocked the dial while dusting. I was like wtf! Why didn’t i think of this 😂🤦‍♀️

Hey. You could just pick the stereo or an individual one if you wanted, so no you don’t need that all. I’m not sure how well this plays with the Mk1 so if it works well that would be great to know from you. 👍

Cheers, Mike Parker sounds are so good. Big fan.

It can definitely be a tricky one to use and yet oddly not that complex to use. Really pleased this video was helpful, and hope you enjoy using the template. It really opens up the sound capabilities, in a really nice way. I really need to do a video on gain staging, just to explore it more for myself too. No apology needed, rant all you like 👍 and thx for your support 🤍

No worries, very pleased this might work for you. Let me know how you get on. It’s a very enjoyable workflow i find, endless and satisfying tweaking to be had. Enjoy 👍

VCV rack is great. I really need to use it more.

@@ExpectResistance it’s great especially through Rytm’s filter etc. Rytm can sequence vcv rack as well.

Ah yeah thats a good point as it takes away the load of sequencing in vcv rack which is definitely a good thing. I need to try that. Nice

@@ExpectResistance exactly:) with the trigs and probability etc. I use Rytm to sequence ableton and everything else. Such a powerful sequencer.

It’s definitely handy they included that with Rytm. I always love gear that has its own sequencer.

Cheers 💜

11 won't open 12 files, but I just added a template in the description for Ableton 11 👇👍

Oh amazing!! Yeah i can totally see that being an easy win. The 808 is great but that second hand price isn’t so great. How you getting on with the new kit? That’s a-lot in one go but must be very exciting. I was looking at the Octatrack 2 this morning, wondering how it held up against the Digitakt 2. The Eventide fx are so good. Big fan.

@@ExpectResistance Well…i dont know if its sense to recommend Octa over Digitakt. Octa for sure need time and study. Digitakt is very popular here in Italy in young rave culture. Also better fx’s. I prefer octatrack for sure - bigger working space, things you can not find in other gear. Its timeconsuming, complex, confusing, … i love it. Digitakt is easy way to go….But too small for me. … well… Good luck :)

Cheers, appreciate the thoughts. Im definitely curious about the complexity of Octatrack, and can see myself loving extracting everything i can from it.

Edit: So I discovered that Overbridge and Logic Pro don't offer the Side chain options 🤦‍♀ so you can only process out of the Rytm, which is still good but not nearly as powerful as what you can do within Ableton and using Sidechain. I have added a template for Logic 12 in the description anyway or if you are curious to set up your own you can follow this video: czcams.com/video/oWoEQ6YpqAE/video.html

No probs. Was this one ok? Anything particular? and i can put it on the list. 👍

New user of the rytm, need to first find out to setup in ableton and create template, you have latency with overbridge?

@@Fixme_12 no latency that’s noticeable between Overbridge and Rytm as it’s more a controller, although latency through monitoring, i’m running the lowest buffer setting in Live on M3 so i don’t notice any that impact negatively.

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Cheers, glad it was useful. It does seem some glitches are happening somewhere, although hopefully the more I use it, i will find out why. I personally wouldn’t feel confident taking it live yet, not without further testing.

Heey Being a postie is hardcore, it’s so exhausting physically. I remember training so many people who bailed after a few days. Hope your health is ok, it sucks when that happens. Many of my family have brushes with similar, and i have a slipped disc, although manage it. Work sucks, and it’s worse when it makes us sick. 🤍 The Akai S2800 is dope, i still have mine and it still sounds amazing and brings me so much joy using it. I think we probably were crazy spending the money we had to just to sample stuff, but that was our options back then. Good to hear you’re still creating stuff, that’s where it’s at imo, in whatever form. It keeps us happy. My mum and dad had already divorced by the time i got my Akai, but she would have definitely not been into the idea me spending that money. My dad just said “it’s your money, when it’s gone it’s gone”…classic dad talk 😂 Wishing you the best bud. 👍

60 up to 200 plus samples / 0.6 ms up to 2.1ms elektron jitter vs a cirklon with 6 samples midi tx jitter makes a night and day difference. Fair enough the 60 samples a analog rytm produces is kinda accepted (many sequencers don't do better sadly) but 200 samples is unusable for sure. I measured both rytm mk2 and 1 and the are getting worse (up to double the 60 samples jitter) when using the sequencer a bit more intensive. It's a sad thing.

Thanks tor watching the video. 🤍 I think every sequencer i have ever used has different timing and different feel, Elektron included, although the Elektron was pretty shocking synced. I typically use the 909 or Atari, or just the laptop. I think timing as more options to a different sound than it being a good or bad thing, slrhwhen syncing stuff it can be a bit annoying. I ain’t gonna time it though, if it sounds close enough i’ll work with it. Sometimes i don’t even sync them. 😂 Although i typically don’t use the Rytm synced with much or controlling much, just as stand alone or as a processing tool. The Cirklon is great from what i have heard, but i guess it’s a more premium than Elektron. I would expect it be better for sure. I would love one. The Rytm is crap as a sequencer for other devices, so i just use it on its own mostly. If i want solid timing, i’ll use the Atari and an Akai, maybe a synth of two. It’s very audibly tighter compared to anything i have used, which is nuts considering it’s so old. I think my expectations of sequencer timing is always it will be a bit wonky, and it’s one of the reasons i have so many sequencers. I think of the flaws as creative features personally and use them for how they work. Something that’s rough and i try to use it that way, something that is tighter i use it that way. Still, everyone has their preferences, which is what makes tracks sound different. If everything was the same, and in some cases music has got very samey, it would get boring. Good to know someone who is a keen timing type though. I will pick your brain i’m sure in the future. Actually, have you ever done tests with the Atari 1040 STE? Curious. 👍

Thanks, appreciate it. I need to do a proper video on it sometime. I used to use the LFO to do this but there is an easier way. So each note you assign the corresponding value from the sheet to your velocity. You want to then turn off your velocity modulation mapped to volume, so each note is full volume. Then you can use those velocity’s to control whatever you want in your modulation menu found in your settings. So this means if mapped to a lowpass filter, the high notes will be bright and the low notes filtered. Of course you can flip it, or have the velocity modulate any parameter in the modulation menu. I think from memory you push down on the top encoder to select a different setting.

@@ExpectResistance Thanks for sharing the details. I came across an Elektronauts post where it was discussed that 1 unit on the velocity mod matrix with 2 assignments to the filter cutoff translates to 1 semitone. Hope that is correct? It'll be cool if you could do a video on this sometime :)

For sure, it’s on the top of my list as i use it all the time. Expect one next week 👍

Awesome. Just recorded it, so will upload it in a sec.

No problem, glad they have been useful. It wasn’t videos for the Nord Modular unfortunately, it was a blog, audio and patches. The blog is no longer active but it’s all archived on Github: github.com/sm-ll/mono-log.org/wiki

@@ExpectResistance Thank you very much! I'll explore this with my micromodular

Sweet. Loads of free patches and audio on the Bandcamp. I need to do some videos some when. It’s such a great machine.

Hey thanks, appreciate the kind support. We do actually have a Patreon, but it’s purely for supporting through money as some people that works for them, and I’m not a fan of pay walls. You don’t get anything more than anyone else, but it’s there should you be interested. www.patreon.com/horizontal_egoless_anarchistic_music_label/about Im actually waiting for some extra studio camera supports and plan on doing more videos, some music like before, some chatting like the new ones, and some that are more how i use something. I’m not sure exactly what the format will be but I’m thinking focused on one area at a time, fx, distortion, Overbridge, keyboard tracking, sound design etc Do you have any suggestions? I’m up for hearing anything you think might work. Cheers

It seems the TR8S is like the old R8 drum machine, which by today’s standards of interface is probably pretty tricky. Not used the TR8S though but never felt 100% convinced, especially the sample part seemed really bolt on. How are you separating your sound design?

@ExpectResistance well sort of the opposite of what you describe in your video. Crafting sounds for 30 minutes to 4 hrs. So I'm doing my sound designs on other synths. Then, sampling or loading up the sounds I have made and using them in that form. For example, I take an analog drum machine, sample the kick 4+ times, and then map it to velocity or random. Rather then try and craft the kick in the machine.

Makes total sense. I generally use other gear when making sounds outside of CZcams videos and preparing for live currently. It’s just quicker, but, have got to the point now of incorporating the Rytm more into the general workflow via overbridge, and seeing where it can get to. So much more to explore, it’s really pretty endless which is great.

Totally. It’s an ongoing process for sure and we evolve in all sorts of ways in life so it makes sense our approach to making music will as well. CZcams can be a great resource, but it’s a lot of information and not all of it is useful or suitable for us. It often seems to easy to simply say experiment and try stuff, but being able to actually do that well and navigate al the noise can be really tricky. I am always a little skeptical when some packages up a top 5 steps to do x. Seems like they are trying to sell me something. 😂 Glad it’s useful, cheers for watching.

It’s crazy expensive and i agree, loads of great options for way less that are as good if not better. Were it not for the multiple outputs i wouldn’t have bought it myself. I really like the smaller footprint of the Digitakt/Syntakt, weighs way less too. The Model Cycles is pretty amazing as well, way cheaper. It does stuff i can’t even get close with the Rytm. What do you use currently?

The Digitakt is a completely digital box whilst the Rytm is a kind of analogue box. They are both completely different from one another although the Rythm is expensive there is such a lot you can do with it, but again it depends how you work if you opt for the old school work flow pre DAW you can really develop some colour from multiple machines, if you were to edit in a DAW you can really achieve some beautiful results.. with all of these machines you have to think outside of the box to get the most out of them.. I’d say maybe push for a rytm and a digitakt remember you don’t have to use either as an exclusive drum machine if you don’t want to and judging by the cost of old Roland gear I doubt you’d be disappointed.

The Digitakt is a completely digital box whilst the Rytm is a kind of analogue box. They are both completely different from one another although the Rythm is expensive there is such a lot you can do with it, but again it depends how you work if you opt for the old school work flow pre DAW you can really develop some colour from multiple machines, if you were to edit in a DAW you can really achieve some beautiful results.. with all of these machines you have to think outside of the box to get the most out of them.. I’d say maybe push for a rytm and a digitakt remember you don’t have to use either as an exclusive drum machine if you don’t want to and judging by the cost of old Roland gear I doubt you’d be disappointed.

Yeah i agree, i find any box i own there is always something more to find, and the Rytm is no different. I’m hearing lots of positive things about the Digitakt 2, especially being smaller and digital has an appeal. Still, I’m in no hurry, very much enjoying what i have with loads more time create in unusual ways, especially with Overbridge. Cheers 👍

@@ExpectResistance looking forward to your Overbridge vid 😀

Nice one, appreciate it 🤍

Glad it was enjoyable. Ahh interesting, never heard that expression before. 👍

Indeed. I had to run the system program to align them, i forget what it’s called but it was part of the OS1.70 upgrade. Took a long time as i had to do my twice, the first made a mess of the sounds for some reason. The pads are very hard, i totally agree. I tend to use the trig buttons or if i do use the pads to put in sounds i always have the velocity set fixed at 100% and then adjust afterwards. Trying to hit 100% either breaks fingers or the desk collapses.

„the desk collapses“ 🤣

@@ExpectResistance That was my biggest disappointment in this expensive device. And for those pads to be the main feature highlighted by their animated colors and sizes is a major letdown. I had a Novation Circuit Tracks and the pads on it were absolutely fantastic for 25% of the price. The AR is a premium device so this was a shocker.

The pad on the Black Mk2 have bene improved. The response is much better,. If you have the chance to try one you will spot immediately

For sure, they definitely got that wrong. Twice actually. I have often wondered how hard it would be to get some new ones made. I can imagine some big chunky pads like the old Akai ones would be great.

Nice one, much appreciated. Have the Overbridge video in the works so hopefully very soon. Cheers

Nice. They all look very appealing honestly. Elektron are shipping some great tools for sure. The Syntakt is guess is a good mini version of the Rytm and Digitakt. Cute looking machine for sure. Cheers

Cheers 🤍

Time flies when making noise on the Rytm, but great times for electronic music gear for sure. We are spoilt.

That’s awesome. It can definitely be a shock when dropping a whole load of money on something. When i got my Mk2 i think it was one of if not the most i had spent on any music gear. Great boxes though. If you’re taking yours everywhere, that sounds like it’s worth every cent.

Mk2 is now up to $2k US. Ugh...

Haha! Yeah you’re totally right. “Why can’t i do power chords on this violin??” 😂 Those old videos really caught me too. Ransom videos is a good way to describe them. They had a sort of either you like us or f**k off vibe to them, which i really appreciate. Kind of a cross between Robocop’s “i’d buy that for a dollar” and the Max Headroom film. Amazing. I too couldn’t afford those early Machines. I spoke at length with a music friend in Malmö who had some, he would get so excited at the possibilities. I almost talked myself out of getting the Rytm until my partner Lucia sent me a photo of one she was with when in a music shop and she was “you have to get one” so i dug deep, landed a shit job and saved up. Was shaking when i hit buy. Glad i did though.

Glad you enjoyed it. It was super useful for me to reflect. Seemed like a fitting thing to do after the experiences. Freaks are the winners. 🤍 In my case, unlike most other gear where i experiment, the Rytm was a whole load of baggage and assumptions on my part and a general struggle to get the sound i wanted and more fails than wins when i did experiment. When i think across all the gear i’ve used, anything that i have used on it’s own, I’ve almost always had eq/fx and/or with lots if routing. The Rytm is probably my first all in one workstation, kinda, but missing some key parts i was used to. But ultimately i think i just got myself lost as to what i am using it for and why i was using it, instead of just using it and seeing what happened. It was like homework, where i studied hard, hated every minute of it, i felt i had a moment i found something only to fail in the exam again. Super valuable experience for me to come out the other end and feel pretty happy and positive about it now. Great box and it’s owner is a little better skilled now haha

Totally. Time reveals more and more. It’s a great box.

Niice. A4 looks/sounds like a great box. Hope to try one day.

I also have the AR grey and i like it more than the black. The only positive point of the black is the improved response of the pads. I don’r finger drum so i don’t need this improved feature

Ah i didn’t realise the black one they improved the pads. Do you know if it significant? I wonder if it’s just a rubber and i could buy a replacement for my grey one?

@@ExpectResistance they did an hardware tweak- i tried it at the London Pedal Expo- it is significant

They were not specific about the improvement- i noticed it straight away, and i asked them when I was st Elektron stand and they told me about the change; i understood ours cannot be improved. I assumed it has a cost implication. Best is to e-mail them

Cheers, appreciate it. It ended up going long, as so much to say about it. Thanks for watching 👍

Hey, 👋. They are great headphones for sure. They translate so well. The padding fell apart unfortunately but my partner made some quirky thread replacement for me. 🧶😂

too much talk about this online without any explanatory demonstration of the effects and differences

The gain staging is a hidden gem for sure. I totally agree with everything you say there for sure. I’ve seen many of you live videos, i need to come watch you do what you do one day, you clearly rip the Rythm to pieces, very cool to see/hear.

@@RadekPilich for sure, there doesn’t seem to be many i agree. I will be doing way more than i already have, with a closer breakdown and look at these little areas of the box, alongside jams like before. What would you like to see?

@@RadekPilich yeah, I can get how it's frustrating to see ppl point to "magic glue" and that you just have to stick with it. Can be bit hard to explain stuff like that out of context tough, I was thinking may be some longer form videos or stream where a kit is made from scratch and all choices are explained would work well to demystify where and how you can affect the sound on AR

@@ExpectResistance Thank you! Haha yeah I've been using it for a long time now to a point where I don't want to learn a new synth because I know ar so well, just don't want to have to go over that hump with another synth unless it's worth it. If you wanna see me play and hang out I'll be playing on 13th of June at Amp Studios, Old Kent Road. If you have a gig I'd love to come over to yours and see you perform