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My board could be bigger for sure, it's short compared to the new ones, but I got it because it fits in my car roof box and I'll suffer in order not to have to put it in the car or on racks haha. Volume wise it's about right for someone my size, but my balance for SUP is not good and I could definitely use more volume if I could get it. I'm about 61kg and it's 100L so it should be good, but I can barely stand on it and I sink the nose all the time. But yeah, I was almost downwinding! So stoked, I honestly thought that moment was a long way off, but in the river conditions make it almost "easy". It gave me a lot of confidence, I know i can do it now. Thanks for the support man, hopefully we both are cruising downwind soon!

Yo man, I'm hoping I can freefly soon, so stoked! My wing seems wild when flagging but I'll get the hang of it. My 880 is so hammered from hitting rocks prone that it whistles like crazy! I try sanding but it's pretty bad.

⁠@@FluidFoildamn you too 😅my foil is almost like a saw chipped from everywhere

I don't think it was quite a stinkbug. I was able to kneel on the board with it underneath me but the nose still up out of the water, and grab the wing handles. I didn't have any trouble with it at all, which was pleasantly surprising. Thanks for the comment!

you are right , it's a sign getting throwed out of the water during bump riding. the ha880 seem more adapted.

Near Shelton Washington in the South Puget Sound.

Thanks man! I was lazy with the video and just threw it together with the wrong format. Short would have been better. I made this channel because my brother wanted to see what I was up to so I'm just putting up my learning process and being a beginner. It's pretty liberating just embracing my beginnerness, i'm enjoying sharing it. The downwind thing is a long ways off for me but I figure I should start building the skills. It's hard to force myself, I'm just not a SUP guy and would rather prone paddle, but I'm forcing myself to work on it so that someday I can surf out in the open ocean. I know you get it man, thanks for your comments as always!

It's outside of Shelton Washington in the South Puget Sound. Thanks for checking it out!

It's in the South Puget Sound, outside of Shelton Wa. Thanks for checking it out!

It's not a 360, just a Gopro 11 with the max lens mod to keep the horizon level.

haha I totally agree on teh 1675, it does not react to the input that my feet put in like other foils do. it's kind of annoying, but time on it has made the situation better. I use 1.5 degree shims on pretty much all my stabs.

@@OCEANBOUND1 with the Armstrong board you can add backfoot, but with flat bottom board you have to add front foot for Armstrong i think, on the progression project forum i put a pool with a calculator of tail rocker for people to share their data and help each other to have mixed gear. i will be curious to see how much degree Armstrong board have on the tail. cant link directly the url it's gonna be automaticly filtered. Im gonna make a video about it soon.

Yo Youdig! I appreciate your input on foil placement, I've started playing with mine now a bit and for sure it's got me confused about the best way to go. I've been watching a lot of vids of people with the same board as me to see where there feet are on the top deck. I've noticed I do stand a bit back from where some others do, so I'm looking forward to seeing how adjustments suit me. My shim is 2 degree and I have found I like that type of shim regardless of board or foil brand. I've tried Uni and Armstrong and with both I like the 2 degree shim. I have only tried it on three boards so far but on all of them I prefer the shim. KT, Armie, and Infinity prone board all felt better to me shimmed. I think it's just preference for board angle. I was watching the latest KT vids and Kane is using a similar shim even on his full brand new KT foil and KT board kit, which sorta surprised me but then he did say he just likes to ride nose up for level flight like you would on a surface surf board. Makes sense to me. I agree about the 1675, it's a beast! I like the lift though, and in this vid I really could see the early lift getting me going when I struggled a bit with smaller kit. Thanks for the comments man, it's great to get your input!

@@FluidFoil you think it's a preference but im pretty sure with the armstrong board you will have a lot more front foot naturaly just by moving your foil in the track . You can really go overboard with the front foot , and the same for goes for the backfoot. too much front and you are killing the speed of the foil and the ability to go upwind, too much backfoot and you will ride in a awkward position and make the foil very hard to ride at speed as you will get more and more backfoot and so on . For me while watching your video, you are just a little bit font footed not much so it's perfect like that . Usualy we can get used to everything, but remove your shim for one session and you will be shocked and wonder how you were riding like that before, i know because that exactly what happen to me riding with no rake shim with my new board. Maybe the kt foil gear is naturaly backfooted overall , it's can happen too ! some foil behave really differently. When i was using armstrong on a gong i was riding with a 2.5 degree shim so not this far from your setup !

@@youdigsurf Awesome feedback man, thank you! I will try without the shim sometime and see how it feels. I also am ready to downsize my board so that might change things a bit in the future, I struggled with the DW board in Hood River as the waves were so big and short period it was hard to get going when I came off foil. Thanks for the input, it's super helpful!

Nice! I'll look forward to hearing your thoughts. I was kinda surprised, I thought I would feel more strongly about the slower speed of the 1675 but I really appreciated the easy lift and they both are so user friendly. I definitely have a use case for both when winging, and since the flat water paddle up is a goal I think I'll be using the big one more than ever. That said, the 1350 is a great light wind wing, I am finding it to be stable and fast, it's definitely helped me work through my jibes. It'll be interesting to hear how you feel about them from an advanced perspective. Thanks for the comment my friend, hope you have an awesome week!

and you are holding the wing in the lowest power way! move your hands to the back of the handles and you will be able to scoop the air quite a bit better

Thanks man! I was surprised I was able to get going, it was incredibly light. The gear is making a big difference, but of course now I'm wondering what the biggest HA would be like in these conditions. I also am tempted to try the big DW foil to see if I can point higher. The 1675 is awesome for getting on foil with no power but it definitely feels sluggish compared to the other foils. The search never ends! Thanks for the comment, hope you are getting some lately!

Thanks Youdig, I agree that the big wing is a pain,especially since I'm really short. It's always so light and variable here that I figured I'd get the biggest of everything, (DW board, pump foil, 8m) in order to maximize my opportunities. Hopefully as I go through the summer here I'll find a balance between huge wing and foil that works for me and won't always go right to the 8m. I'm glad I brought it this day though, I edit out a lot of waiting around for a gust and with a smaller wing I'm afraid I would wait a lot more. The shim is huge, but man it makes an enormous difference for me. I'm still all the way back in the tracks and feel like I'm constantly struggling not to breach. I think a lot of it is that I am really light weight at about 130lbs so it's hard to keep the foil down. The plate shim definitely helps me and for me the attitude of the board is more natural when shimmed. I feel like it's similar to riding a surfboard with the nose a bit higher than the tail when you are trimmed correctly. Thanks for the comment my friend! Hope you are getting some good days and making progress!

@@FluidFoil not much surf foil here so im dockstarting a bit but i got some nice session free flying with the wing and it’s really cool when the surf is not good ! Oh wow i had the issue with too much backfoot you have the exact contrary of mine haha 🤣 crazy how armstrong foil went from backfoot to front footed with the new mast and stab, maybe you should try to get regular a+ mast and a hs232 stab , in the meanwhile if you didnt do it , you can shim your stab too to get more backfoot blue and red regular shim from amstrong give backfoot. See you buddy yewww 🤙

Thanks so much for checking it out man! The DW board definitely has it's pros and cons, I'm hoping that eventually I'll be that comfortable on a smaller board, but for now I am stoked on how versatile this DW is.

Awww man, I posted my last video over 2 months ago now and haven't been in the water since, unfortunately. Life has been getting in the way lately, but hopefully I'll be able to get back to it soon. Thanks for the kind words!

I'm running the speed 180 stab and sometimes the 140 dart. I do think the 880 is the best foil I've tried so far, I found I improved instantly once I got on it.

@@FluidFoil thanks mate, I think we are of same level of skill. Waiting on my Gen 2 foil drive to arrive

Hey man, thanks for the kind words! In my experience I've found that a smaller foil was far easier for me to manage during the early prone learning stages. I found the bigger foils were really hard to control on the quick speed burst of take off and were really hard to control directionally due to the large span. When I dropped down to the 880 things got so much easier. I have much more control on take offs and can decide when to bring the board on foil. Unless you are riding incredibly low power waves, I'd recommend going with a smaller new Armie HA like the 880. I now think that size is a bit big for me on average waves but would likely be great for you at 190lbs. I just bought the 580 if that helps you gauge size. As for the mast, it's the only Armie mast I've tried so I can't really comment on the difference, but from what I hear there is a difference and I imagine if you went from an 85cm A+ to a shorter 79 APF there would be a marked difference in the overall system rigidity. I do think the stiffness is a fairly significant factor in how much control you have over the whole rig, I'd say it's worth it to get the APF if you can. Hope that helps man, and hope you are getting some water time.

I've been loving it! Honestly I sized it at 7' because that's what fits in my roof box, fortunately it's exactly the size recommended for my weight and skill on the KT site. That said, if I was more interested in pure SUP downwinding I think I would have preferred one a bit bigger. I am finding it really challenging to stand and paddle on this board, but folks much larger than me do it so it's all me. As for just light wind winging and prone, man, it's perfect. I wouldn't change a thing. I didn't expect to be using it for prone, and I feel like I probably should ride my smaller board more to get my pumping up to speed, but the KT paddles so incredibly fast. It's really nice in the line up for someone like me who spends more time paddling than pumping. For winging it's incredible, truly a game changer there, and I love the size. I would buy it again exactly the same all things considered.

Thanks man! The mast shim is something I picked up from hearing Kane DW speak about it on a podcast. He explained he likes them because it feels more like the attitude of a surfboard or other surface craft, in that a surfboard doesn't plane flat, it planes nose high so your front foot is higher than your rear when you are trimmed and planing. As you can see I'm just learning, but I can say that the mast shim made an enormous difference for me in feeling like I could get over the foil and stand comfortably over it. Prior to the shim I was always feeling like I had too much front foot pressure and I think it was just my brain not wanting to let the nose drop far enough to trim the foil appropriately. It instantly felt great with the shim, I think it's definitely worth a try, although finding the longer screws can be a bit of a challenge.

That's awesome Henry, I was waiting around out there a lot today and really should have grabbed my paddle and practiced myself. I am terrible with the paddle and standing on this thing is so frustrating, but I really want to get there. Good on ya for getting after it!! We will get there!

Haha thanks so much Youdig, you get me! Before the session I was like "maybe it's too much". It was too much lol! It's so funny how little wave power we need on the foil, I definitely was surprised by the size out there. It looked smaller from the bluffs! I just cut up some octopus traction into strips to make those rail savers. I put it on the short board mainly to improve grip when duck diving since the high volume short board is kind of thick and hard to grab compared to my normal short surf board. On the DW board I did the same for the same reason but it works great as protection from the paddle as well.

Yo J thanks for stopping by! Yeah man, prone is my thing since surfing is my first love, but I envy your wing skills and hope to get proficient at both as I go along here. You get such awesome swell rides on the wing, I can't wait to get there myself! So yeah, the 2° shim is something I picked up from Kane speaking in a podcast. I started foiling this summer winging on flat water and have been learning alone, so haven't really had anyone IRL to show me the ropes. So from day 1 on foil I always felt like I could barely keep the foil from breaching, no matter what set up I was on. I always have my masts all the way back in the tracks, regardless of board or foil brand (I've tried 3 brands and same on all) and I always felt like I needed a ton of front foot pressure. Then I heard Kane talking in an older podcast about how he always shims his base plate because it feels more natural to him. He describes that if you come from surfing or wake sports or wind sport when you are planing on your board the board isn't level. Your front foot is higher than your rear. That really clicked for me, I figured all of that front foot pressure I was feeling was my natural inclination to try to trim and struggling to point the nose down enough to glide the foil. As soon as I started using the shim my problems pretty much went away and all of a sudden I was easily getting my weight over and in front of the foil instead of just barely hanging off the back if you know what I mean. It made a huge difference in my progression and pumping, and it feels more natural to me on both of my boards and with both Armie and Uni gear. For me it was a game changer, but now that you are balanced on your foils it might not be a plus for you? Thanks for the comment man, I love watching your sessions!

@@FluidFoil sorry I lost track of this one. I'd love to see what happens if you tried no shim later this season to see how it feels. as long as I have mast track to play with in either direction, I can usually fix it. when I started with the 1675, it had SO MUCH front foot pressure so I moved it from 8 back to 2 and 4. worked for a little while. then I ended up moving it back to 8 and even beyond... somehow my body has started reacting differently to it. so def worth revisiting if you ever have time! enjoying yr channel bud, keep it up!

Thanks so much man! I feel like I'm making some progress but I am anxious to get better. This spot is near San O, and honestly to get better I really should be going there instead since the waves are much more mellow. Thanks for the comment and kind words, hope you are getting some waves!

Thanks man! I was inspired by your text notes in your vids to do some of the same. Running aground was so frustrating, and hilarious! I'm glad I was able to convey some of that, I am guessing every prone foiler can relate. Thanks again man, let's get those 2 for 1 pumps!

This was the north end of Capo Beach, pretty much Doho. I just watch surfline and when Doho shows 10kts I'm there. I'll be in the area for a few months, hopefully we'll cross paths.

Yo, thanks Henry! Hope to see you in the water someday!

@@FluidFoil where are you. I’m in Lake Hodges.

Hey there! It was great to meet you, thanks so much for making me feel welcome. Hopefully we will get another chance at a session soon. Thanks again!

Thank you! I weigh about 140lbs/63kg.