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LG C1 Firmware Update 03.41.00. It's still the best TV in the world. Post here if you see any issues
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LG C1 Firmware Update 03.41.00. It's still the best TV in the world. Post here if you see any issues
I played all my games 3d!
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How to play games on 3d using a VR headset czcams.com/video/RVvaQzwASFs/video.html 8k 3d display coming czcams.com/video/47nlzkVRq90/video.html
Red flag on big LCD TVs. Motion might be terrible. Watch out!
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Red flag on big LCD TVs. Motion might be terrible. Watch out!
Get better blacks on LG LCD TVs with these settings. Dark room gaming on LG 86UR8000A
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If you have a Philips LCD TV check out this video from a member of our community: @EverythingPS5Pro czcams.com/video/xzHflz0ONUk/video.htmlsi=mFuELHdcYAuurE-N
The biggest TV for Gaming. TV size matters but picture quality first: I can't recommend LG 86UR8000A
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The biggest TV for Gaming. TV size matters but picture quality first: I can't recommend LG 86UR8000A
Sony BRAVIA HX820. Motion clarity and input lag for Gaming.
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This TV is like a Giant CRT for Gaming: Sony kdl-47w802a. UFO test: clear at 960 pixels per second czcams.com/video/N6tGrTwKZp4/video.html
This TV is like a Giant CRT for Gaming: Sony kdl-47w802a. UFO test: clear at 960 pixels per second
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This TV is like a Giant CRT for Gaming: Sony kdl-47w802a. UFO test: clear at 960 pixels per second
Universal FG now triples the FPS! LosslessScaling is on 🔥 (not sponsored/review code provided by dev
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Universal FG now triples the FPS! LosslessScaling is on 🔥 (not sponsored/review code provided by dev
Ghost of Tsushima HDR on PC is way too dark. Here's a solution
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I learned about PD80 03 CurvedLevels from @JDSPonYT youtube.com/@JDSPonYT?si=zfZIt2pio0_vZRjQ Summary of things I know about HDR czcams.com/video/bz4gksfm3HI/video.html Download Reshade with full Add-ons support here reshade.me/downloads/ReShade_Setup_6.1.1_Addon.exe
LG G4 might have a deal breaker problem. The best TV of 2024: LG, Samsung, or Sony?
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LG G4 Review @hdtvtest czcams.com/video/F_npypvyO1E/video.htmlsi=VIeFQrMTRHNhbKsB
Samsung S95D vs S90C. Mat vs Glossy finish. First impressions at the store
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Samsung S95D vs S90C. Mat vs Glossy finish. First impressions at the store
Native HDR has to be better than RTX HDR. AC Mirage.
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Best Auto HDR: MajorPainTheCactus Add-on to Reshade czcams.com/video/IcQCUBbju5M/video.html Install Reshade and HDR analysis tool as well as MajorPainTheCactus Add-on czcams.com/video/ODInv2HSO9w/video.htmlsi=7TBZARAF4_vI4lxB Win11 Auto HDR everything Link to the Mod to force Win11 AutoHDR for all Games github.com/ledoge/autohdr_force Explaining Auto HDR Win11 czcams.com/video/DutrXosPVr8/video...
LG C1 Firmware update follows the C4 release. Is LG nerfing your old TV? Post if you see any changes
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LG C1 Firmware update follows the C4 release. Is LG nerfing your old TV? Post if you see any changes
Lossless Scaling Frame Generation keeps getting better.
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Lossless Scaling Frame Generation keeps getting better.
HorizonFW high FPS with FG doesn't look better (FSR 3 FG Mod not working right)
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HorizonFW high FPS with FG doesn't look better (FSR 3 FG Mod not working right)
RTX HDR updated through Nvidia Drivers. Post here if you see any differences
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RTX HDR updated through Nvidia Drivers. Post here if you see any differences
LG C4/G4 professional HDR settings explained. Are they useful for PC or Console gaming?
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LG C4/G4 professional HDR settings explained. Are they useful for PC or Console gaming?
I'd say no to all OLED monitors so far. OLED TVs vs Monitors: This is just my opinion
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I'd say no to all OLED monitors so far. OLED TVs vs Monitors: This is just my opinion
RTX HDR crazy wild colors without clipping🤔
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RTX HDR crazy wild colors without clipping🤔
RTX HDR fine-tuned for OLED Motion(BFI) on LG OLEDs. RTX HDR Middle Grays slider is fantastic
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RTX HDR fine-tuned for OLED Motion(BFI) on LG OLEDs. RTX HDR Middle Grays slider is fantastic
RTX HDR is absolutely amazing, but there's a catch
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RTX HDR is absolutely amazing, but there's a catch
HDR black floor fixed by testing with Fog and HUD OFF. Advance Reshade Toggler Add-on
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HDR black floor fixed by testing with Fog and HUD OFF. Advance Reshade Toggler Add-on
Lies of P HDR fine tuned for the LG C1 120BFI. From Pioneer Kuro to LG C1 OLED Motion Pro High.
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Lies of P HDR fine tuned for the LG C1 120BFI. From Pioneer Kuro to LG C1 OLED Motion Pro High.
Get early access to RTX HDR Gaming with this Mod.
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Get early access to RTX HDR Gaming with this Mod.
LG C1 Firmware Update 03.40.85. Post if you see any issues here.
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LG C1 Firmware Update 03.40.85. Post if you see any issues here.
The truth has to be said about most WRGB OLEDs. I love my LG C1, but it kind of sucks
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The truth has to be said about most WRGB OLEDs. I love my LG C1, but it kind of sucks
RTX HDR Settings for LG OLED TVs on PC. Nvidia needs to fix this problem
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RTX HDR Settings for LG OLED TVs on PC. Nvidia needs to fix this problem
RTX Video HDR! Gamma looks correct! No ICC profile to fix originally SDR 2.2 content necessary.
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RTX Video HDR! Gamma looks correct! No ICC profile to fix originally SDR 2.2 content necessary.
Major Update to Reshade adds HDR Analysis tool. A guide to get the best HDR on PC
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Major Update to Reshade adds HDR Analysis tool. A guide to get the best HDR on PC

Komentáře

  • @AyeshaAyub-px1ef
    @AyeshaAyub-px1ef Před dnem

    Forget colour luminance and numbers. The krp is the closest thing to reference.

  • @madeinwieert
    @madeinwieert Před dnem

    I have a C1 65 inch, bought end of 2021 during the last lockdown here in the Netherlands. Normally my budget is 500 or 600 euro for a tv. But now I thought maybe we get another 40 lockdowns so let's buy a nice tv. And today I am still very happy with it. No regrets at all. When people visit me and watch something on it, even if it is like a movie on 1080p, they say, wow your tv is sick. The quality is great. So yes, very happy, think I will be for maybe another 4 or 5 years.

  • @mine_raidz1514
    @mine_raidz1514 Před dnem

    How would i use this for like google chrome or opra gx or something, im having this color banding problem with movies im trying to watch on my tv and nothing has been able to fix it. But im not quite sure how to use this fix on something like a browser

  • @ThatPheel
    @ThatPheel Před dnem

    I have a S90C and my Nvidia app RTX HDR slider only goes to 800 nits when the S90C can reach 1000 Nits peak luminance. I have tried CRU and it didn't fix it. Anyone know what to do?

  • @ThatPheel
    @ThatPheel Před dnem

    Can you use this with RTX HDR?

  • @Deltax5
    @Deltax5 Před dnem

    Ok. The option under prevent input delay keeps changing back to standerd. I don't know why. IDK what i did OLED motion pro isn't highlighted in game optimizer, maybe a setting i changed. It kinda makes the picture look weird now on high. Only did the turn off auto dim thing in the settings. Mostly the rrating settings i used..

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před dnem

      Make sure the HDMI setting is set to PC mode and Picture Game Optimizer. When OLED Motion Pro is being used, prevent imput delay will go back to standard

  • @shai-lin7836
    @shai-lin7836 Před 2 dny

    Hey just wanted to ask if you ever experienced any issues with the lan cable for the c1. On my side it seems to work for a couple minutes then disconnect and after another few minutes reconnect. Seems to keep doing this all the time.

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před dnem

      I'd make sure that the same cable plugs into a PC and works well, just to rule out. I've never use that connection on the C1

  • @ZeppelinManGaming
    @ZeppelinManGaming Před 2 dny

    Thank you good Sir this was useful

  • @CrawliestCotter
    @CrawliestCotter Před 2 dny

    Im using an lgb9oled. The 200 nit 30 icm from the dylanraga's github (linked in description) worked for me! Just had to make sure to set my sdr brightness to 30 (in windows hdr settings).

  • @user-pv5tp7zk4s
    @user-pv5tp7zk4s Před 2 dny

    Okay! 👍

  • @naththoau
    @naththoau Před 2 dny

    If you look at the person move the arm down with a hand, I saw missing motion in IPS that is skipping meanwhile Plasma almost didn't miss skip. Plasma has more superiority in motion than LCD can produce. But now modern monitor has improved so much though today so motion might be better than what it was before years ago.

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 2 dny

      LCD tech being sample and hold natively van only be as good as it's refresh rate and it needs to be 240Hz (and content 240fps) to match and beat Plasmas (if GtG is better). However, LCDs can use back lick manipulation to match even CRTs. Watch this Sony kdl-47w802a video

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 2 dny

      czcams.com/video/N6tGrTwKZp4/video.html

  • @byrgenwerth2097
    @byrgenwerth2097 Před 2 dny

    Bro are you considering getting a soundbar? I got a brand new samsung q990c which many considered the best for around $600 and it's normally like $1.6k. It just takes immersion to the next level, especially with the rear speakers. I cannot listen to TV speakers ever again. It's crazy how much better it makes the experience. Add that to my 77" samsung qdoled and it doesn't get better. Its heaven bro, Im telling you.

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 2 dny

      Sound makes a huge difference, I use a 1999 receiver with 4 speakers and it sounds very good. I might upgrade the speakers now that I'm leaving in a house far away and I can make a lot of noise😁

  • @RogueStatusX
    @RogueStatusX Před 3 dny

    Can someone explain why when I move the slider in Windows Calibration App, once it goes past a certain point the slider disappears and all i see is the square and I have to guess where the slider is to grab it with my mouse and move it again?

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 2 dny

      It's a bug. When that happens, go back by clicking the arrow you can't see, and it'll get fixed.

    • @RogueStatusX
      @RogueStatusX Před 2 dny

      @@plasmatvforgaming9648 jesus, thanks again gawd!

  • @sengir
    @sengir Před 3 dny

    SDR and 720p amazing! 😂😂

  • @GPU.
    @GPU. Před 3 dny

    good work!!!!!!!!!! so i play bfi 60 for bf42, on my lg cs 65ins on pc en its a bit dimm, dark, so my settings are on vivid, dinamic toone mapping on, brightness 100 , contrast 100, bt.1876, hdr on, and find it still dark,dimm, so i set bf42 in game britness to 60, but it reduced the hdr effect a lot!!! to get my brightness, are there any other options, you talk at 24min, that pc reshade, is this a option to look in to it?

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 3 dny

      Yes, you can enable Module HDR ON on the service menu for more SDR brightness to use BFI. Otherwise use Dynamic tone mapping Mastering Peak Maxcll to match the Maxcll of the HDR content. With RTX HDR you can get the best results increasing the overall brightness without washing out the colors too much. We also have MajorPainTheCactus Add-on

  • @Phoenix-zm5gv
    @Phoenix-zm5gv Před 3 dny

    Ariel how can I make games sharper, I am using currently ai picture pro combined with super resolution 27 medium AND hear me out man, its not wild ON ps5, since most of the ps5 games are upscaled and some look very blurry, especially games with Taa and bad upscaled picture. But to use ai picture pro I need to turn off vrr and allm, ai picture pro and super resolution are tied to sharpness. Ai picture pro is upscaling some of the textures. So yeah, currently rolling with this but I want to know your opinion and any recommendation (if needed) I also adjust sharpness depending on the game, and I tested a lot clarity settings, super resolution low, med and high. I really wish that some of your friends that have ps5 or you just tested ps5 in the store, I don’t know man, maybe one day. For pc users man, you are a saver / an angel. You are the one who saves hdr gaming community on pc. Thank you man, sorry if the comment is too long 😕

    • @beammeupscottsp7952
      @beammeupscottsp7952 Před 3 dny

      Which lg do you have?

    • @Phoenix-zm5gv
      @Phoenix-zm5gv Před 3 dny

      @@beammeupscottsp7952 I have LG C2 55 inch

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 2 dny

      If it looks good is good. I don't know what else could be done. At this point, you know more about the sharpness setting that me

    • @beammeupscottsp7952
      @beammeupscottsp7952 Před 2 dny

      @@Phoenix-zm5gv if you're on the C1/C2 ai picture pro helped boost sharpness but you had to turn off allm which is a no go. On the C3 and higher sharpness worked really well and upscaled much better than the previous models, the default setting in game mode on the C3 was 25.

    • @Phoenix-zm5gv
      @Phoenix-zm5gv Před 2 dny

      @@beammeupscottsp7952 on my tv it is same, but it is still not enough for most of the ps5 games, since they are not native 4k and they do not have advanced upscaling methods like pc has. In addition, I disable vrr and allm because without them processing is much better, so this is kind of like pick your poison. What settings you use yourself ? Do you use 25 for all games? I try to adjust sharpness for each game individually

  • @mehra6712
    @mehra6712 Před 3 dny

    Looking forward to more content, could you please share your current 22 point calibration, and also your 2 point calibration?

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 3 dny

      I'll share it when I get it done again. I'll also share iPhone 15 white balance match calibration.

    • @mehra6712
      @mehra6712 Před 3 dny

      @@plasmatvforgaming9648 I'm an android man personally, but ty so much regardless!

  • @Phoenix-zm5gv
    @Phoenix-zm5gv Před 3 dny

    Nice work man! Best hdr channels out there😊

  • @GFClocked
    @GFClocked Před 3 dny

    I feel like Ariel is a brother of mine, i wish he actually was. ❤

  • @brunogm
    @brunogm Před 4 dny

    Comments for the Algorithm. Lives needs comments after they end to up in the recommendation

  • @brunogm
    @brunogm Před 4 dny

    Nice!

  • @alex-gg5yr
    @alex-gg5yr Před 4 dny

    Apprriciate your work man, i dont know if this is the place to ask, but where would your recommend for me to learn about migrating to the us? Ive been searching around but with no clue whatsoever, im still a student and im really taking immigration seriously.

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 3 dny

      I can only tell you my story. I became a musician of international level to get out of Cuba. Landed in New York to perform, stayed for a year (Cuban adjustment law) and got my Green card. After 5 years, I became an American Citizen

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 3 dny

      I'd say, study and become someone who can contribute to this country and somehow they'll open the doors for you

  • @Phoenix-zm5gv
    @Phoenix-zm5gv Před 5 dny

    I am so frustrated with plaque tale requiem, it looks sooo blurry and I am playing in favour resolution mode with motion interpretation on. Yes I changed sharpness, super resolution, ai picture pro and so on. It just looks too blurry.

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 2 dny

      And the game gets so much praise from big outlets about it's graphics. The problem is that 4k OLEDs reveal the defects more. Try a Plasma and you'll see the blurriness isn't as bothersome

  • @Phoenix-zm5gv
    @Phoenix-zm5gv Před 5 dny

    Ariel what should i do on ps5 to fix game, what you would do?

  • @quaticus
    @quaticus Před 5 dny

    #bigtimewrong

  • @Shadowkil7er6
    @Shadowkil7er6 Před 5 dny

    I've had my LG 55in oled c1 about 2 years now ,l play my Pc and Xbsx , Ps5 and still looks great to this day!!

    • @nikchris69
      @nikchris69 Před 3 dny

      Why wouldn’t it look great ‘to this day? It’s only two years old, not 10

  • @felixmitchell7888
    @felixmitchell7888 Před 5 dny

    my LG CS 65 is the king tv lol

  • @armylrs2391
    @armylrs2391 Před 5 dny

    You don't honestly believe that LG C1 is the best TV in the world do you?

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 5 dny

      I appreciate what this TV does best, but of course, it isn't. The underlying message is love what you have.

    • @armylrs2391
      @armylrs2391 Před 5 dny

      @@plasmatvforgaming9648 That's a good mentality to have. I really think you should consider stepping away from OLED and giving mini LED a try. You can buy the 65" Hisense U8N for $999, and it literally goes blow for blow with the Bravia 9. Go to Rtings compare and put in Bravia 9 and U8N-you'll be amazed at what you see. The Hisense has 1600 local dimming zones and a 260,000:1 contrast ratio. Black level is so close to OLED that you will hardly notice a difference when engaged in content. It can also hit over 3600 nits in specular highlights and maintain 1,000 nits on a 100% window. Your C1 cannot even hit 1,000 nits in specular highlights! My point is that HDR performance is so vastly different between OLED and mini LED that it might as well be a completely different format. I have a Samsung S90D QD OLED in my bedroom, and when I saw HDR on my U8N, it felt like I was seeing real HDR for the first time. It is just such a different experience. Also, color gamut and color volume coverage are vastly better on mini LED compared to OLED, so color production is also way better. The whole experience is much improved. You get excellent performance in both bright and dark room environments with outstanding brightness stability and peak brightness capabilities-features that OLED tech lacks.

  • @BRIANSTECHTHERAPY
    @BRIANSTECHTHERAPY Před 6 dny

    Love your energy, brother! How about a comprehensive video on full RGB vs. limited ? Also, TV vs. PC control panel. Auto in the brightness tab, the image can look super dull or crushed.

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 5 dny

      Thanks for reaching out brother! Windows HDR color profile or the replacement HDR calibration app profile look washed-out for Originally SDR Gamma 2.2 content. To fix that, I shared an ICC profile

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 5 dny

      This one czcams.com/video/MirACvDvnQM/video.html

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 5 dny

      This is the link github.com/dylanraga/win11hdr-srgb-to-gamma2.2-icm

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 5 dny

      I thought that the problem had to do with Full vs Limited at the beginning, but I was wrong, it was just Windows enforcing this piece wise sRGB over everything

  • @Oliver-hs6ki
    @Oliver-hs6ki Před 6 dny

    Also, if you do a lot of twitch shooters. Try a pansonic viera 2009 or earlier with vga.. or a different plasma that can do 1080p with vga. It can go 1080p and the input lag is the best. Something about hdmi causes more input lag I find.

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 6 dny

      Interesting

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 6 dny

      My Pioneer Elite PRO-151FD has high input lag, although it looks fantastic

    • @Oliver-hs6ki
      @Oliver-hs6ki Před 6 dny

      @@plasmatvforgaming9648 Panasonic g15. Less video quality but feels like crt with vga 1080p,

    • @Oliver-hs6ki
      @Oliver-hs6ki Před 6 dny

      @@plasmatvforgaming9648 Hdmi set to game has pretty low input lag on the 5020FD too and looks amazing. Just a bit more than vga which is close to none it feels

  • @user-st1tr2sk5c
    @user-st1tr2sk5c Před 6 dny

    The king ??? 😂 Let me tell you the kings !!! Are two of SAMSUNG = Q900A 8K* engine + calibrated & updated & the best & one ofcaurse oled S95D* WHY?🤔🤪 8K TV 4.000+nits & oled with quantum dot = QD oled ofcaurse + with mat screen!🫡

  • @Oliver-hs6ki
    @Oliver-hs6ki Před 6 dny

    Finally picked up a 5020fd kuro. Prefer it to my brother's lg c1 oled which I have done some gaming on with a ps5. I dislike the artificial feeling of the oleds compared to plasma. Plasma or crts are still the best to me. For movies, shows, sports too

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 6 dny

      Nice! Those Pioneer Kuros are special, just the craftsmanship puts everything else to shame

  • @playboy275801
    @playboy275801 Před 6 dny

    Can I use these same setting on my ps5 aswell?

  • @jameyt1
    @jameyt1 Před 6 dny

    30k for a monitor? I am in!

  • @NateTheBard
    @NateTheBard Před 6 dny

    Hey Plasma! I told you that i bought a LG C1 66 inches on the last video and i love it! It's insane with motion pro medium and de-blur 10 on 60hz is on FFXII Zodiac Age, with HLG and tone mapping on is really good. It was hard for me to get motion pro medium with de-judder or de-blur, tho i found the solution by turning off g-sync on the nvcp. Movies are really insane on that tv with de-judder and motion pro medium. Im really in love with this tv.

  • @jairomoraes4681
    @jairomoraes4681 Před 6 dny

    Alguêm sabe me dizer se com a 980 ti que é DVI-I (Digital/analógico) eu terei menos inputlag na conexão VGA? Dá pra usar adptador no DVI-I da placa sem perca de resposta! Obrigado!

  • @pleiade3525
    @pleiade3525 Před 6 dny

    Panasonic vt 50 with 2500 hz😎

  • @JohnSon775K
    @JohnSon775K Před 6 dny

    Hey bro is this fix lg c3 game mode dimmer or i can buy s90c? I manily want lg for better uspcaling and motion smoothing for pc gaming rtx 4080

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 6 dny

      No, the C3 game mode is significantly less colorful than The rest. If you want the better colors, get an s90c in that price range

  • @micker9830
    @micker9830 Před 6 dny

    Definitely not the best TV in the world lol. It was a good TV(wasn't even the best back then), but I mean the TVs out today are much better.

    • @plasmatvforgaming9648
      @plasmatvforgaming9648 Před 6 dny

      The underlying message I'm trying to share is love what you have. Many people suffer FOMO with the latest and greatest

  • @PenPineappleApplePen007

    I played through it once since it’s on Game Pass. Game was a bit boring at times, but there were moments that looked good and combat was fun. I gave the game 7/10. Didn’t want to play it again after finishing it.

  • @AexoeroV
    @AexoeroV Před 7 dny

    Black bars dosent count, its the aspect ratio of the game! Even if the games black floor would be 1 nit the bars are not affected. And i think 0.0001 nits wont make a visible difference!