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Yes - a case that is very sad all around! there was a lot of evidence regarding Rutherford's insanity - it is interesting the jury only took five minutes to find for him. We think the evidence of the wife's extra-marital activioties also helped Rutherford - affairs by women were taken a dim view of. We believe the children stayed with their mother. She changed her name to her maiden name whilst she waited and tried, and waited and tried, to get a divorce. Then, she moved away. We think, but we are not sure, that she was still social! There is a picture (possibly of her - but not sure) in a woman's golf competition in the late 1920's. There she is referred to as MS Rutherford (but we could be wrong - the picture is not very clear). Thank you, as always!🙏

Thank you! very glad yu liked! have an awesome weekend!🙌

Interesting point! 👍yes, we wondered this too! It may be because this was in the throes of war? The UK (as did all the countries involved of course) lost so many men - he was an army medical officer at the front - maybe there just wasn't time to action this? We do not know - very good point! You are rght though - even in the Uk it would very def have been something that would normally be brought up. 🤔

Thank you - most kind! 🙏 practice, practice, practice....😉

Thank you - glad you enjoyed! It is a convoluted story this one - made all the more infamous as it involved important personages. Both men were highly decorated. Seton was one step below Knighthood. Rutherford undoubtedly suffered much during the war-he was at the front. It was said he was "different" after his experiences there. Alice clearly underwent some kind of awful event with Rutherford as she goes frorm very loving letters to definite wantig a dovorce in a few months. She refers to physcial and mental torture from Rutherford -we do not know what that was and rutherford was not telling. Sad all around for both parties, and of course, the roll out impact on extended family and friends.😔

ooooh! Connection?🤔

I was thinking 🤔 the same thing

Excellent point!👍And yes, they actually did! There were two incidents. One was a rugby injury in which he was kicked in the head. The other injury was on the front where he was buried under shell fire. We do not know what injuries he sustained from that, but it was said that he was "different" after the event. The defence gave a lot of evidence supporting the insanity plea - that was taking a chance as they rarely come through. The difficulty of course is the conscious decison he made and the time it took for him to find Seton (not in his usual barracks as that was unavailable), trace seton, find seton, all the while bringing a loaded gun with with him. This was not a snap decision. However, the jury were really sympathetic - probably aided as well by the confessed other relations Alice was having (very dim view of adultery by women). Sad all around. It took the UK quite a while to better understand the lasting psychological damage soldiers underwent from the war.😔

Thank you - very sad all around this case. It was surely preditated - do not think people in those days went around with loaded revolveres. He had left his bag at the station. The defence put on a strong case regarding his insanity plea - a risky move as they rarely come through. rather tragic all of this for all parties. 😔

Thank you! 🙏ooooh! Good point! Would it have been considered a crime of passion? Hmmm! The defence stressed that he did not think she was havng an affair with Seton, because otherwise it would have been considered premeditated murder. But of course he did. Not sure if she was actually having an affair - the maid did not see anythingng untoward.Hmmm. 🤔

@@newsofthetimes I think Rutherford blamed Seton for the breakdown of his marriage and losing his family!! My theory is that Mrs Rutherford confided her woes to Seton, who tried to help her!! Unfortunately, Seton's "reward" for his efforts was to get murdered!! Was there anything going on between Seton and Mrs Rutherford?! I highly doubt it!! I think the Rutherford pair were VERY unhappy in their marriage, and Seton was caught in the crossfire, figuratively as well as literally!! I wonder what happened to the Rutherfords' numerous offspring?!🤔🤔

yes, it really was. We have no information on the children. Rathr shocking that it took her years to finally get a divorce. Sad for him spending ten years in Broadmoor.😔

Quite right! He gave little away in court - it was all through the eyes of her letters to him. The defence stressed that he did not think she was having an affair with Seton, because if he had admitted that that was what he thought, the murder would have been considered premeditated. 🤔

It took a long time for this to be understood. The soldiers of ww1 underwent unimagnable horrors. 😔

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Yes, it seems completely unjustified, doesn't it? we think it is because as they could not come up iwth any real motive, they went with the defence that he was so stupid he thought that strychnine really did cure drunkeness. Unusual to be let off so lightly! Thank you, as always!🙌

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Great points! The Elizabeth thing - there must be more to this and Victorians found it perplexing to. She was queried hard, and her husband and child visited her in prison, but no further information came out. Bizarre. Hunt - yes, we see the connection! Also, equally bizarre person... We like doing these smaller stories too, as we think it gives a better glimpse into Victoiran life. Not everyone's life is a headline, but it does not make those lives any less important or worth hearing about.😉 Thank you, as always, for your wonderful support!🙌

😁 We wish you a really lovely weekend and week to come! thank you! yes, both stories are almost worse as they appear senseless. strychnine is a terrible way to die...😔

Yes, it was an exceptionally light sentence wasn't it? Strychnine is a terrible way to die...It seems he was very convincing that as he did not gain financially, nor did he know the people, he did really think that he was helping people to cure their hangovers. possibly, his previous good conduct had something to do with it too. As for elizabeth - also very bizarre! Who kills for furniture? There was allegedly no hard feelings between them! Tow rather "off" stories!😉

No we were very surprised too! It seems his defence was very convincing that he had actually truly belived that strychnine was a hangover cure. There was no financial motivation and he did not know the people and he did not hang around to watch them die, so the jury had a hard time understanding what motive he could have - other than the one the defence offered which is that he was an idiot who thought he would be helping people. *sigh* Sad and profoundly unnecessary.😔

'Morning! 🙋‍♂️ Umnmm, trio? we only have the two channels: News of the Times and Chronicles of the times....Thank you very much for your kind comment and support!🙌

Thank you. Yes, that utter lack of respect for human life was shocking back then too! Although both stories were "small" stories, it had an impact that people could kill for furniture or just randomly. You are right - really sad. 😔

Thank you - we thought the very thing! 👍 Both stories were somewhat "off" as well as by using the more rare strychnine. Both received a lot of press (in the back pages) specifically for the same as you mention - no one could conceive of murdering for furniture or randomly. Hunt's considerably lighter sentence seemed to be due to his convincing everyone that he really did think that it was a cure for a hangover. Ummm, we do not think we would be that easily persuaded......🙄

Good morning American cousin! 🙋‍♂️Thank you so much for your kind support! 🙏 We will take a look at the channel you mention! Thank you! Timewise - we are the centre of time! GMT! Yes, we put them up at midnight gmt. thank you agan for your very kind support! Ummmm, can you send us the link to the "history rich " channel - we are not finding it here...just some music we are too old to appreciate. 😉

Thank you - very glad you liked it! 🙏We enjoy doing some of the smaller stories too as in some ways they seem more representative of life at the time. Murdering someone for furniture is a bit of a comment. 😉

Thank you for your kind support!🙏

Our very great pleasure Nadia! Both stories were slightly unusual and strychnine was not nearly as common as arsenic. Elizabeth - so odd! The story was considered so shocking to take someone's life for furniture. Hunt - just so odd! He did not stay around to see them die and there was no finanvcial gain - he did not know them. Strange...🙄

@@newsofthetimes I reckon Hunt wasn't "all there", hence him defending himself in court, even when his friends had actually PAID for a defense lawyer!! 🤔🤔

@@nadiabrook7871 quite possibly! It certianly was the action of someone not completely there....🤔

@@newsofthetimes I mean he told his victims he was a "half doctor"!! You're either a medical student or a fully qualified doctor, but NEVER a "half doctor"!! Remind me - did Hunt get the death penalty?!

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How kind! Thank you! 🙏Very much appreciated. 🙌🙌

hmmm - that is interesting! 👍 Leave it with us - we will see if we can fish out any cases using hemlock and will give you a shout out if we do! The Wimbledon murder used a rare plant based poison - not sure if you have seen this? czcams.com/video/sKb4x_rgWao/video.html It baffled the scientists for some time!

AHAHA!! (What do floral designers think about, as they compose their art....)

@@user-fj4mo9xz1c 😁 Now we know! We will be looking at local florists with a fresh eye....😉

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Great point!👍It sortt of makes you loik at those around you with a bit of circumspection!😉Yes, she was certianly creepy! it is the children which is so incomprehensible. And her dispassion when discussing her crimes....🫢

yes, no one on this side of the pond could understand why she had not received the dp! 🤔A count of 11 or 12 and involving children! Husband number two was definitely financial gain. It did not take her long after he had made his will in her favour. Having someone as a burden upon her seems to have been a trigger for her! Thank you - glad you liked!🙏

Thank you - glad you liked! 🙏A really interestng case! We are speculating - due to the vastness of the country, maybe that is why she was not picked up sooner with all the deaths? We only say this because of the number of times the neighbours bring in the police.....having said that, England was reeling from the crimes associated with Mary Ann Cotton around the same time!🤔

Judge Jesus got her in the end.

​@@audreyricci6383 Jesus didn't judge

We found it really bizarre as well! So did the English press and public! However, no doubt Victorian prisons back then were not very fun.....🙄

@@suemcgregor9248 True. There one instance when Jesus told a woman that he didn’t condemn her. Obviously he did judge her as he told her to depart and “sin no more.”

English papers and press could not believe it either! She would not have stood a chance in English courts! Thank you - really glad you liked it. 🙏

Yes, it is bizarre. 🤔 Poisoners are their own type of coldness and evil. She and Mary Ann Cotton had overlaps on their time lines. We find it so bizarre how dispassionately she speaks of her crimes. Did you catch the Manchester news cynical comment about 3/4 of the way through? Thank you - really glad you enjoyed!🙏

Thank you - she was something! 🙄It was a hot topic in Victorian times - who was worse - Mary Ann Cotton or Lydia Sherman. And also lots of trying to understand why and how this was happening with women. Interesting. Thank you - really glad you liked. 🙏

@@newsofthetimes OOOOOH, I would say that she and Mary Ann Cotton were as bad as each other!! I also can't get over the fact that the supposed "ignorant" Lydia was intelligent enough to plan her escape from prison to the tiniest detail - and ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED - albeit not for very long before being recaptured!! She was certainly a VERY cunning individual!!

@@nadiabrook7871 Yes - we agree - we are not so sure about the term "ignorant" She was smart enugh to get herslef married three times, get money from that and get away with 11/12 deaths!🤔

@@newsofthetimes Exactly!! Plus, she murdered everyone in her path who she considered a "burden"!! That in itself is an indication that Lydia was no fool!! 🤔🤔

@@nadiabrook7871 Such a selfish selfish woman!!😔

Sorry - our orignal reply did not take! The YT Aai has been jumped up and can be quite restrictive for a crime channel. 😉This story is a favourite of ours - you are right, the doll is very creepy!🫢

Wow!! A walking hero! That is a tough job! One of our staff has an honour's degree in psychology - tough job - hence now history researcher. 😉

Interesting you should say that! We have this theory that at least one of our mysteries that remained offically "unsolved" was based on another unsolved case a few decades before! The Ramsgate Mystery from 1893 czcams.com/video/1mjH8qmy6NM/video.html seemed to us to be the template for the mystery of Julia wallace czcams.com/video/5Ds4pU-FnQg/video.html some 50 years later! Hmmmmm 🤔

Yes, we have done that one ages ago! Let us know if you would like the reference. 😉

'Morning! So, we fiollow the papers! For good or for ill! And in this case, we followed the Scotsman, (rather than any of the London papers) -we do try to stay regional with each story. We are aware, from previously, that quite a number of other variations exist including who was the "naughty child", but again, that was documented in the trial coverage. Thank you for your feedback!🙏

Hiya - one of our team lived not far from Broadmoor. In the schools in the area, one had to give permission if one would allow one's child to walk home in the event of the alarm. Also, you could hear the alarm every day at 10.00. So, Broadmoor was referred to as a Prison for the Criminally Insane. When it was started (we cannot speak for now) it was certainly way ahead of its time and looked at mental illness, despite the violence of its inmates, as an illness. So its approach was not to demonise its prisoners. And yes, the inmates were prisoners - to get into broadmoor one had to have been found guilty of a crime - usually violent, but not always (in its early days). People could not place thier mentally ill family member into Broadmoor - it was via a court of law (with some few early exceptions as it took on the spillover of the other asylums). We actually have done several epeisodes on boradmoor if you are interested! Thank you for your feedback!🙏

Excellent question! We are hampered not only by the time frame (1810) but also the cultural differences. We know of breaking people on the wheel. We covered this in our bizarre execution episodes (ummm, could be this one czcams.com/video/5EW4vgOlIyU/video.html or this one czcams.com/video/N5-8-0qqq0E/video.html ) In general, our understanding had been the use of an axe was the usual punishment. Interesting question - we do not know. Sorry. 😔

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We apologise - it looks like our comment didn't take. things have been a bit tetchy today on yt...he was a cad. we feel certain he would have continued if he had not been stopped.😔