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Great to hear my videos are helping like-minded enthusiasts! Which Sea-Doo do you ride? I’m thinking about getting one.

I can't seem to find that in my user manual. Mine says to pull the adjuster with the engine running to 'fog' the engine with oil before storing it for the summer. What page of the owner's manual calls for the oil adjustment?

@@mop1471 They list it as an item in the maintenance schedule table. I would have to look at my manual to see which page but it might be different than yours anyway. You should have that same table though.

I only go through 1 or 2 jugs a season, so I choose to use the Ski-Doo XPS oil recommended by my dealer. My son uses 2-stroke oil from Canadian Tire and it seems to work fine too, but it’s only a few bucks cheaper than XPS oil.

@@mop1471 thanks,, same, i never used anything else other then xps full synthetic too,,, just wondering in case i have to use other oil

happy to help!

Since the 2021 recall, it really hasn't been a problem for me. Ice scratchers really helped a lot during that first season. I do occasionally get warnings if I'm filming, but that's because I'm stopped, idling a lot and driving very, very slowly (10kph.)

@@mop1471 I’m just figuring them out after looking into them I’m gonna get myself scratchers and wetter water whatever that is to me it feels like more work keeping an eye on the temp having to dip into snow here I was trying to be careful going slow staying on packed trail but here I was harming my sled and they don’t idle anymore I used to keep em running while hauling wood after dark now I’m in the dark in the bush I live where I couldnt take it in for recall I’m stuck with it here when people break there stuff that’s just it even my aunts and work ski doos brand new broken I’m glad I’m getting some money out of mine atleast I’ve seen people saying they had problems of the bat but had warranty people don’t know about them I’m feeling mine out the gas has to be close to full all the time to helps cool and I think water gets in there since they have to dip in snow when I open my gas cap it just pops up so it’s sucking

Thanks! Only problem this year was lack of snow. Trails around me (Northern Ontario) didn't even open this year. Trailered to Quebec for a week, but wasn't able to make content on that trip.

We had an interesting snow year down here as well. My 2021 expedition 600 efi sprung an exhaust leak on our trip into the cabin last weekend. What’s your miles or kilometer count on yours so far? Just wondering how your maintenance has been / any more repairs then the ski etc? Thank you and if you ever make it down to Yellowstone National park or the Tetons be sure to look me up!

I wanted to document the by-the-book storage procedure. Popping off the front bodywork is no bit deal, takes about 5 mins with a bit of practice.

It has ice scratchers, and they work well: czcams.com/video/7PkPPeE5xvI/video.html

The heat exchanger extends pretty far back, but not right to the edge. Since the 2021 recall, overheating really hasn't been a problem at all. It'll happen if I'm moving at low speeds and stopping alot (which I sometimes do because I'm filming these videos!) Never overheats during regular riding.

I've never tried! I'll look into it in my area.

@@mop1471 thanks! I have this same machine, and your videos have been hugely helpful to me. Please make more!

The boat is super-fast and very low maintenance. Low draft as well. But challenging in rough waters.

@@mop1471 Thank you for your reply : I would imagine in rough waters - It is not my intention on getting into big swells but I have seen this little 150 speedster like this czcams.com/video/jUobe-jhkDI/video.html

It floats on top. Very weird when you stop off the running board and fall so deep in the powder you have a hard time climbing back on to the sled, which is still up at the surface!

This one’s a 2021, and it was an all new engine for that year, so I don’t have knowledge of the 2020 models.

- The Orange wire is connected towards the rear of the vehicle (pin 8 on the switch if labelled, rearmost pin otherwise.) - The Red wire is connected in the centre (pin 6 on the switch if labelled, middle of the 3 pins otherwise.) - The Orange/Violet wire is connected towards the front of the vehicle (pin 5 on the switch if labelled, frontmost pin otherwise.) I hope this helps!

Thanks for the note! More vids on the way for sure! I’m afraid it might be awhile because there’s almost no snow at all in Sudbury, and we have rain forecast for this week!

@@mop1471 same story in Kenora area. I'm dreaming of a brown Christmas :(

The Expedition is a bit narrower than trail sleds, which helps a bit. But mostly, you need to start the process by steering away from the direction of the lean, find the balance point, and hold it there. Once the sled is up on one ski, it’s just like riding a bike!

This service is for RF DESS keys only. I don’t think Ski-Doo was using the RF system in 2007. Take a look at your key: if it has metal contacts inside, then it’s not RF.

That is correct, a single 1/4” spacer didn’t raise the mount enough for the gas can to clear the ridge on the lid of the cargo box, so I made a second set of 1/4” spacers for a total of 1/2”. Of course, now that I know this, I could re-make the spacer out of 1/2” material, but too lazy ;)

sorry for that, YT muted that section due to music copyright or something. But thanks for letting me know!

works on RF DESS keys. I’m not sure, but I think a 1998 key would have had the metal contacts inside, so the RF Dooplicator service would not copy the 1998 key.

That 2-pin connector is the rear passenger heated grips wiring harness. The Expedition Sport includes the harness from the factory, but does not include the rear heated grips. Since the harness was factory installed, rear heated grip installation was made easier than it otherwise would have been!

I hope you love it! A close friend ordered one with the 600ACE for this season, so hoping to make some good comparison videos between the two engines in the same model of sled.

I've never had ski-skins on this Expedition, but I've tired them on a Tundra. Different experience: the skins won't sink at all because they're super-wide. The DS2 will sink, which can be helpful in some situations. If you intend to tip your sled on its side to get through difficult terrain, DS2 is better. If you're going to keep your sled upright, with both skis on the ground, ski-skins all day.

Yeah, sorry about that, the background music caused a problem with youtube, and my options were to remove the video, or just mute the portion with the song. Not ideal.

I've really been enjoying the 600EFI, and it's a great value for a 2-up sled. While you're doing the rear heated grips, you might as well get the rear heated visor connector too. Otherwise, you'll have to take the whole handle apart again to do the visor plug later.

@mop1471 Thanks for the advice, just have to find one now , a place near gravenhurst says they'll be getting some in , and put one aside for us

The dealer here in Sudbury keeps a good stock of the heated grips, and I would imagine most dealers do. Good luck with the install: it is a bit of work. Take your time and double (or triple) check everything before cutting the plastics (I nearly cut the switch opening in the wrong side!!!)

DESS is inevitably far more complex. I rather like that my 600EFI has a plain old key ignition.

If your '15 Summit has the RF DESS key, then yes, it will work. You can identify the RF DESS by the plastic 'ball' you snap your key onto. If it's all plastic, they you have RF DESS. If it has a metal ring and a metal contact on the top, then it's the original DESS (not RF DESS.)

Oh my! The good news is that your 600 EFI has a 'classic' ignition switch, meaning there is no expensive 'chip in the key' or anything expensive like that. A new ignition switch would have to include a key - how else would you operate it! First step is to try to dislodge whatever is jamming the ignition. I would try using a strong magnet, which may extract metallic objects stuck in the ignition. If that doesn't work, very fine screwdrivers or picks may be inserted to try to clear the obstruction. If you can't dislodge whatever is in there, then replace the ignition switch. It's just an old-fashioned key switch. My '21 Expedition's ignition switch is part number 515177063 and costs $59 up here in Canada. You'll have to remove the upper bodywork to gain access under the dash panel - this may take you a bit of time if you've never done it before, but it's really not that bad (see my video linked below.) Once you remove the body work, there will be a connector on the back of the switch to remove, and a nut holding the switch in place. Remove those, put your new switch into the dash, replace the nut and connector, then reinstall your bodywork and you should be as good as new. Removing the upper bodywork: czcams.com/video/qsRA-84wsU0/video.html Let us know how it works out!

Good question. I'll look into it. I'd like a recoil starter as a backup, so if it's offered, I'll make an install vid!

Just checked with my dealer: Yes! They offer a pull start kit for 600 EFI! It’s $260 up here in Canada. Might pick one up - my 600 EFI has never let me down, but I’d like a pull start, just in case.

@@mop1471 nice, looking forward to the install video, have a ace, dont like the fact that I can not pull start when needed. Might have to go with a 600 efi if it works out.

Fuel and Oil consumption documented right here my friend! czcams.com/video/oaB36RJx6lo/video.html Extreme cold: if it doesn't start right away, hold the throttle open and try again to avoid flooding the engine. It hasn't let me down yet. Coldest day so far was about -36°C.

Let me know how it works out. I'm planning to do a series of suspension adjustment videos next winter, and your feedback would be helpful!

My Expedition was shipped with all suspension adjustments set to the 'softest' settings (the least pre-load.) Try tightening up your front spring pre-load. You'll need to use the suspension adjustment wrench on the clutch cover. Adjust it just 1 or 2 clicks at a time, then test ride it. I found the snowmobile much less prone to tipping with the front springs adjusted tighter. I settled on a setting of 4 out of 5 on the left and right front springs (that's 1 click from the highest pre-load on the front.) Leave the rear springs as soft as possible (only increase the rear spring preload if you're bottoming out.) For me, this dramatically improved handling, stability and reduced darting.

Sorry for that: I had royalty-free music in the video, but YT flagged it. My options were either a) give all revenues to whomever claimed ownership of the song or b) mute the disputed section of the vid. I'll replace this vid with an updated 3-yr pre-season service next fall.

Haha, no, I’m not brave enough to try that!

@@mop1471 same lol,,,

No, that feature is not present on the 600 EFI.

Sounds about right. These groomed trails and controlled speeds were best-case scenario for fuel consumption.

Glad it was helpful!

The rad/fan kit doesn't come standard on the Sport 600 EFI, but can be added by the dealer (or yourself) on the wide body. The fan/rad kit doesn't fit my narrow body. However, I would argue that adding ice scratchers is a more cost effective option. The fan/rad comes standard on Sport 600 ACE and 900 ACE. I only ever have an overheat condition when the weather is warm, trail is hard with no powder, I didn't use my ice scratchers and I'm doing something weird like driving very slowly and stopping all the time to move my cameras.

It'll work, I tested it.

Yes, the hood (or bodywork, as Ski-Doo calls it) are different. The 2021 was the only year they put 'narrow' bodywork on the Expedition, switching to 'wide' bodywork in 2022. The machines are mechanically identical however.

While I like that my 2021 has narrow bodywork, like a Backcountry or Summit, the downside is that I can’t install the optional fan and radiator kit. If you wanted, you could get the fan/rad kit for additional cooling.

@@mop1471 Hey, Thanks for the info I think I will need it for late season fishing and hunting.

You’re going to love it! Next year, I’m planning a series of videos on adjusting the suspension. Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss those!

I got a 900 ace skandic SWT I’m pretty excited.

The 2021 Expedition 600 EFI doesn't have the front fan/rad and it cannot be installed. In 2021, the Expy 600 EFI got 'narrow' bodywork, like a Backcountry or Summit, which isn't compatible with the front fan kit. In contrast, a 2021 Expy Sport 600 ACE (or 900 ACE) would use the wide bodywork and [I think] the fan and rad were included with the 4-strokes. Additionally, it's my understanding that for the 2022 model year and beyond, the Expy 600 EFI got wide body work and could have the fan and rad installed as a dealer option.

Aha, thank you for your insight! Another excellently presented video from MoP!

I think the fan starts at 149f which I think it's too late, I would like to have it start at at least 130f

Have you asked the dealer if they can set it to a lower 'ON' temperature? I'm sure it's all computer controlled, I just don't know if Ski-Doo lets dealers adjust the set point.

Good suggestions. I'm a fan of ice scratchers too: czcams.com/video/Rs1hykh4pYU/video.html

I wish I had better news, but trails are looking pretty rough around here and the forecast looks even worse. I'd keep an eye on the trail statuses. If they become yellow and red, don't bother. If they remain green & yellow, then bring your sled and let me know where you're at so we can go for a ride! TBH, I haven't been on the trails for weeks. I took my wife away for our second Ski-Doo Vacation. About half way to our French river rental cottage, an oncoming rider rolled his sled and collided with us. Luckily, everyone walked away. We were all very sore, but could walk. Other guy's sled was dead and needed to be towed, mine was damaged, but still worked. My wife and I completed our trip, but the following day, her wounds had swollen and she couldn't walk. I called in some help and got towed home. Tried trail riding one more time after that, but there were too many wrong-side riders, so I've only been doing off-trail riding, or boondocking, since then.

@@mop1471 We are staying at Windy Lake Provincial Park, winter camping in a Yurt 1 night and a cabin the 2nd night. Wed and Thurs night coming back home Fri. looking at map the trails intersect in the middle of the lake 1 going to dowling ; then c111d going south then turns towards chelmsford; then another trail yellow going to levack which then goes east tpwards sudbury; if there is off trail riding in those areas my grandson will love it he does powder well i just tried it abit and it is alot of work lol ; if you have a private email we could exchange cells see what happens

Shoot me a message at mop@ministryofpowder.com

Yes. This is the by-the-book Ski-Doo installation procedure.