2021 Ski-Doo Expedition Sport 600EFI 1 year review
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2022
- Sharing my thoughts on the Expedition Sport 600EFI after 1 year of ownership and 1400kms of riding.
Original 'First Impressions' video: • 2021 Ski Doo Expeditio... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I really like your videos, well explained and good demonstrations too. Your a good driver too! the sled seems to perform very well and i like the way you can carv with it and keep it on its side. A+ 👍
Thanks! Carving is a lot of fun, but it was difficult to do in the low-snow conditions when we filmed these shots. We had to find little pockets of powder that had accumulated on the lake. Even then, I was carving in 3" to 6" of snow!
Good rider: Thanks again, but keep in mind that you're only seeing the bits of video I wanted seen!
Great review. Thanks for the detail
Thanks for the great insight
Sir, Ski doo needs to hire you full time to narrate and test their sleds. You are better than many that do this for a living.
Ha! Thanks! If you know anyone at Ski-Doo, feel free to pull some strings for me! And, also, subscribe!
I agree with this statement
Great review. I have 600km on my new sport exp. New to riding so mostly trail riding. Still learning off trail stuff. Lots of snow 3 hrs north.
Thanks! Sounds like your in the Timmins / Cochrane area. Believe me, I've been tempted all month to trailer my Expy up there!
Off trail: It's critical to learn how to get the sled 'on edge', or to 'carve'. Make sure to learn with a buddy: I've had the snowmobile tip over and pin me down while learning to tip the machine on its side to corner. But once you're comfortable with it, you can pull U-turns in deep pow like nothing!
@@mop1471 yes that is what I want to try, not used to the tippy feeling when in a ditch or going off banks on angles, will figure it out, hopefully without trouble lol yes Timmins
I remember getting my Scorpion Whip 440 up on edge in deep powder on Lake Nipissing in my youth. But last year, as a middle aged man getting back into the sport, I was a bit hesitant about it. After a season of practice, it's starting to feel natural. I'm almost good at it. At least when turning to the right -- still working on edging to the left.
I recommend starting on a flat surface, like a lake. It minimizes the variables and lets you get a feel for it without any surprises. Caveat: if you're on a small amount of snow (< 4 inches) over slippery glare ice, the track will slide out on you if you try to bank the sled. Make sure the snow is 'bonded' to the ice before trying to bank the sled.
Luckily, our Expeditions are a little bit narrower than typical trail sleds, making them easier to carve!
My son and I are thinking of making a 'getting started' video for beginners to learn how to get their Gen4 Ski-Doos on edge.
@@mop1471 lol i am past midle age and never rod before; so this is all new; any help would be great; going fishing tomorrow with couple friends so maybe will try this stuff on lake
Then you damn well deserve your first new Ski-Doo! Congrats, man!
The 600 efi is probably the most potent powerplant your going to find in an entry level machine and ski doo has probably the best reliability as well
I'm very happy with mine. Sledaddicz were recently testing the top speed if their 850R and 900 Turbo, and were seeing 175kph / 185kph respectively: czcams.com/video/6dmjEOsoSbM/video.html. This relatively cheap 600 EFI, mounted in the long Expedition frame, has reached nearly 140kph. And it has enough power to wheelie anywhere. No complaints at all as a rider.
I am torn between the Expedition Sport and the Tundra LT. May I ask why you picked the Expedition Sport?
Your videos are great btw. Very informative. Thank you.
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In my case, I have maintained OFSC trails only 200 meters from my yard, so a lot of my riding is done on trails. However, I do enjoy venturing out into crown land where there are no trails. So, I need a very competent off-trail sled that will do well on trails too.
Tundra is an awesome machine. Its narrow ski-width lets it zip through narrow gaps and makes it easy to tip it 'on edge'. The pogo suspension allows for a smooth belly pan, so it'll ride up on top of untouched powder with ease. It's an unstoppable off-trail machine. These very features that make it so good in deep snow and through forests compromise the on-trail performance.
On the other hand, the Expedition is wider than Tundra, but still narrower than a trail sled like a Renegade. Expedition has a trail-style double-A-arm front suspension for reasonable trail handling and that long 154" track for flotation when I venture off-trail. The Expedition is a compromise, sacrificing the Tundra's unmatched deep snow abilities for some trail manners.
Expedition Sport also includes the 2-up seat, which is a $1,000+ option on other models. TBH, I really don't use the 2-up seat very often. But the one time another rider's sled was stranded, she was super happy I had room for her on my Expedition!
It really comes down to where you plan to be riding:
Off trail only, adventures in deep snow, through forests? Tundra.
Mostly lakes, ice fishing, towing, accessing a remote cottage? Scandic.
Occasionally on groomed trails, but you need serious off-trail abilities? Expedition.
Some trail, some off-trail? Backcountry.
Mostly trail, but going off-trail sometimes with friends? Renegade.
Trail only? MXZ
Trail only, but with a passenger? Grand Touring
Mountains? Summit / Freeride
How about the fuel consumtion? I use a Tundra 600 EFI - 22 and I think it drinks a lots of fuel so I need to carry extra fuel a lot. With my Etec 600 engines, I never had that issue.
Here's a link to the 'Fuel Consumption' video: czcams.com/video/oaB36RJx6lo/video.html
The Expedition 600 EFI has a range of about 230kms. I don't typically go that far in a single trip, so it's fine for me. It burns about half as much fuel as our 2002 Grand Touring 600, about 20% less than a Yamaha 1,000 4-stroke and less than my buddy's 800 E-TEC.
I am really liking this sled for my girlfriend. I have the 2020 Expedition Extreme 850…..absolutely love it.
That 850 has nearly twice the horsepower of the 600 EFI. And with the extra traction of the wider track, it must accelerate like a beast!
so with that link bag on the tunnel you cant use the backrest?? mine just turned a yr old last week 3500km so far..i dont like the dimmer switch or hand warmer switch locations!! other than that i wish the ski stance was wider ..it can be tippy!
3500km: Congratulations! I wish I was able to ride as much as you!
Switches: I don't mind the hand warmer switch so much because it's never urgent that I adjust it. But switching to low beam is very time sensitive, and only required when there's an oncoming snowmobile -- exactly when you don't want to take your hand off the brake or handlebars!
Backrest works with all LinQ accessories as they come from Ski-Doo. However, in my LinQ mods video, I modified the 62L cargo box with aluminum reinforcements so I could add my 11L LinQ fuel caddy on top of the cargo box (you're not supposed to carry the fuel caddy up there because it's too heavy.) With my fuel caddy on top of my cargo box, the fuel caddy interferes with the backrest, just slightly.
Here's the section of video where I add my mods and test it out: czcams.com/video/jE1imoQvfyw/video.html
Again, the backrest interference occurred only because I modified it to do something it's not supposed to do.
@@mop1471 i only ride weekends i still work full time..
Do you use ski doo synthetic or synthetic blend oil the book says synthetic blend my sealer says synthetic e-tec oil
I use the Ski-Doo XPS 2T E-TEC full synthetic as directed by my dealer. My son insists it's all the same stuff and buys the Shell 2T Snowmobile oil at Canadian Tire for his 2002 Grand Touring 600. Both sleds run great.
I’m also from Sudbury, and I’ve watched most of your videos. Seeing as in most videos you are lake or trail riding, I’m curious to know why you chose to get a wide track 154” sled with a narrow 36” ski stance, as opposed to a trail sled like a Renegade. This year I bought 2 sleds, a 22 Renegade Sport and a 22 Expedition Sport, both with the 600efi. I’ve come to hate the handling of the Expedition compared to the Renegade, as well as the terrible fuel mileage compared to the Renegade. I also hate the way it’s geared and clutched. My wife also refuses to drive the Expedition, do to it being tippy. I was going to sell it and order a 23 Renegade to replace it, but instead bought the RAS X front upgrade kit to widen it to 42”. I actually regret buying this sled. Should have bought 2 Renegades.
My Expedition came with the 42” front suspension. I didn’t think the 36” was even available on an Expedition! Trail handling is fine, but not as good as my Grand Touring.
The long track is for off-trail adventures. Still trying to figure out how to film these: with so many trees around, the drone can’t be used, and even an action camera clamped to the Ski-Doo keeps getting struck by trees / branches, which is why most channel content is on lakes and trails - just more practical to film there.
Before buying, I had taken a 2010 Renegade off trail and got it crazy stuck, which is why I went with the 154”. To be honest, I didn’t realize how much more capable these machines have become! I probably would have been fine with a Renegade or Backcountry, but I do enjoy knowing my Expedition will go through or over anything I point it at!
Follow up: I just checked the '22 Expedition Sport spec sheet. Your sled should have the same 46.5" overall width as mine, when the skis are in the 'wide' setting. (44.9" in the 'narrow' setting.) If your 2022 was delivered with the 36" mountain sled front end, you may want to talk to the dealer before paying extra for another front end.
Source: 2022 Expedition Sport Specification Sheet:
www.ski-doo.com/content/dam/global/en/ski-doo/my22/documents/specs-sheets/en/SKI-MY22-EXP-SPORT-SPEC-ENNA_PDFx.pdf
@@mop1471 I’m referring to “Center to Center”. I was mistaken. I measured the Expedition from center of both ski legs and I am at 38”, where it is supposed to be. My Renegade however, same measurement is 42”. Even at the widest setting on the Expedition, you can barely achieve 40” center to center, and it isn’t ideal, because the steering geometry is all screwed up in this setting. The control arms themselves are almost 2.5” shorter than on the Renegade. Steering geometry will be better, as well as shock angle, and have a wider stance without putting excessive pressure on the inside of the skis. Kit is ordered, should be here Friday, will be on the trail by Saturday. IMO they should all come with the 42” control arms. A simple google search shows I’m not the only one with this complaint, and putting a 42” RAS on an Expedition seems to be a common upgrade. I don’t know why I had 36” in my head. Maybe I was remembering the stance on my old Summit.
Ah, okay, that makes sense. When I first started riding the Expedition, I found it 'tippy' (although I never did tip it over.) Once I started putting miles on it, and getting used to it, I started to trust it a bit more and it never let me down.
It's true that I can't corner as fast on my Expedition as guys on dedicated trail machines. But, unless I'm riding with real speed demons, I can keep up just fine. The narrow ski stance makes it easier to get the sled on edge, which I'm almost good at now!
I rarely trail-ride for the sake of trail-riding. I use the trails to get me to an untouched lake, or some crown land where I want to play. In those situations, the narrow ski stance is a benefit.
I'll be out this Saturday filming for more videos, likely in the Moonlight Beach / Perch lake / Lake Laurentian areas. If you see me out there (blue coat / orange pants), fell free to flag me down -- I'd love to get footage of the two Expeditions side-by-side, to document your suspension changes!
how the heck are you leaning that sled without standing up????? I can barely get my 09 to lean unless i throw my entire body weight into it. Its exhausting.
The Expedition is a bit narrower than trail sleds, which helps a bit. But mostly, you need to start the process by steering away from the direction of the lean, find the balance point, and hold it there. Once the sled is up on one ski, it’s just like riding a bike!
Any problems overheating?… say driving on a ice packed trail. Like how long would you be able to go on that
The temperature does need to be managed when riding in low-snow conditions. If there's 1" of powder, the coolant will sit around 50°C to 60°C and the sled can run for hours and hours without the rider ever worrying about the coolant temp.
In 1,200kms of riding, I've only experienced three coolant alarms: two while road-running on asphalt with small patches of packed snow/ice, and one on a low-snow, hard packed trail.
I believe the 2022 version of this sled has the wide bodywork, so you could get the fan-cooled radiator installed in a 2022 and never have to think about coolant temperature.
The ice scratchers are a huge help with this as well. Since installing tunnel ice scratchers, I've had no coolant warnings. Ice scratcher trail test video: czcams.com/video/Rs1hykh4pYU/video.html
@@mop1471 so when the coolant alarm comes off…. You just let it cool off abit.. or go drive/look for some powder
First thing I want to make clear is that I'm not riding around worrying about the engine temperature. It's almost never a problem. When this video was shot, on a lake with 3" to 8" of powder, the coolant temp was very low the whole time. Didn't even think about engine temperature.
But, if there's no powder on the trail (or lake, or road), then the trick is to manage the coolant temperature before the alarm goes off:
The gauge cluster has a temperature bar graph on the right edge. Usually, it'll sit around the middle of the graph, maybe a bit above the middle when trail riding and a bit under in powder. If it starts getting up near the top of the gauge, I'll start looking for some powder. Dunk the track into some powder on the side of the trail and the temp gauge will drop back to the middle within a few seconds. Take a look at the gauge cluster in this video to see the bar graph along the right edge of the display: czcams.com/video/Rs1hykh4pYU/video.html
If I get a temperature alarm, and there's some powder nearby, I'll just drive into the powder, maybe blip the throttle to spray some powder up into the heat exchanger. The alarm will stop beeping and the temperature will plummet within a few seconds.
But, if I'm road running and there's no powder around, I will pull my sled to the side of the road and shut off the engine to avoid damage. Then, I'll pack some snow from the snowbank onto the top of the tunnel to cool the heat exchanger until the snow stops melting - takes about a minute. At that point, I can start the engine, but the alarm will sound again because the coolant in the engine is still hot - takes about 10 seconds for the water pump to cycle the cold coolant in the heat exchanger to the engine, then the alarm stops and I'm good to go.
In any case, dealing with high temp can be as easy as hitting some powder. And worst case, pull over and pack snow on the tunnel for a minute.
This problem was completely solved by watching the temp gauge in low-snow conditions and using the ice scratchers.
Nice….. im really considering buying one. For hunting purposes. And there isnt any fan cooled ((preferred)) around where i am. Just liquid cooled machines but whatever…. they have this exact sled you have. So im eye balling it atm.
You found one in stock? Wow! Is it a 2022?
How long is the break in period?
I didn't log the break-in milage exactly, but I seem to recall it being a few hundred kilometres. The gauge cluster will tell you how much break-in is complete on startup / it'll give you a number between 0 and 100 representing % complete.
@@mop1471 I was gonna get myself a 2023 exp sport, but I seen my dad eyeing the Expy LE 900 ace so I went ahead and bought that for him, maybe next winter I’ll get myself a sport. Also I love your videos! Great explanations and input
Your dad's going to love the LE!
When you're shopping for another, keep in mind that you can get an Expy Sport 900ACE also. It's about 75lbs heaver than the 600EFI, but has 10 more horsepower.
Nice sled got this for a family sled gets the job done
We bought a new sled (this Expedition) and an old one ('02 Grand Touring.) I'm so impressed with this Expedition, we're looking at getting a second!