Beastars Wouldn't be Nearly as Good in 2D Animation
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- čas přidán 6. 02. 2020
- Given Studio Orange's reputation, I don't think the title is that controversial, but I still wanted to dive into what I think Beastars does so well and how CG lends its strengths to those elements and ultimately makes for an incredible story and show. Of course, we have no idea what a 2D adaptation would have looked like, but I think it would be hard to compete with what we got. But let me know your thoughts and enjoy!
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#Beastars #Anime - Zábava
Who would win? The entire Yakuza or one horny wolf man and his vegan therapist?
The horny wolf and the buff panda
Correct
That shit came outta nowhere lol
these comments are sending me
@Jenn Jenn He's fine. Watch the show
Wait a minute, some of the characters were 2D?
Literally never noticed...
Morally Conflicted Tortoise same
Bruh no way it's obvious on the first episode...
@@adeldell8275 nope, wasn't until they pointed it out here...
Guess I'm just not very perceptive
I was more focused on the story honestly
Same
Beastars kind of freaked me out because there was such a weird sexual undertone from the beginning, and then I found out that was the point.
You have a lot of likes, but no comments.
I just want to say that i am first. >:]
It seems to me that there are odd undertones of other innate things or cultural things here.
Obviously the instinct that this animal naturally would eat me given the chance is a deep undertone of this world.
It's a stand-in for the conflicts of cultures, religions, essentially who's going to eat who (literally in this show, figuratively in real life).
I didnt notice anything at the beginning but yeah
Dum Dum no one cares
The second episode when she started stripping had me just as confused as legoshi. And I'm not an innocent internet loser.
the op being in stop motion was such a powermove man
It's so good I love it
It's so different and I love it so muchh ✨✨
Damn straight, the way the music plays to emphasize when it's him hunting her and when it's them dancing.
Outstanding move
And that's called JAZZ
i literally forgot that beastars was 3D halfway through
me too haha, it just felt normal
I stop giving a shit after the first 5 minutes...
o k me too
I knew it was 3D but tbh if it’s done well, I love 3D anime much more than traditional 2D anime
@@andyzavala2349 could you give some examples of CG anime done good? Before Beastars I searched a bit (I'm interested in 3d animation) but I found that there was use of CG in anime done very good, but not even one entire anime in CG. TIA
The "I'm not a furry, but..." Anime.
Damn good show.
At first I thought “this is kinda weird” but then I watched the whole thing in a day and I think it’s amazing. Not that being a furry is a “bad” thing but I ain’t a furry
edit: ok, maybe I am
Jesse Snow the only reason they are furrys is to drive the plot
at first i was confusing but I honestly give that show a 10/10. it was so addicting and It took me like two days to finish
No its not a furry show its a "anthropomorphic animal anime"
Fr. I am *_heavily_* attracted to Legosi and I hate myself for it.
Some people say it’s overwhelming when there are so many special affects (when legosi smells, senses, or hears something) but that is actually almost exactly what it would look like if you could see what wolves can smell.
also i think that they are missing the point haha, it is *meant* to be overwhelming because it is a representation of what legosi is experiencing yk?
Sherrin is a dumbass ye :p
For me it's like jingeling keys in front of my face
So basically what they were doing was to make the audience FEEL what the wolf was feeling, like the overwhelming nature of the smells.
@@swindr8486 Hello twin 🌝
The “Sexual tension between a wolf and a deer” anime
sexual tension between a wolf and everyone else
- the furry fandom
@@xinlidai1642 Two dogs? Who is the other dog beside Jack?
@@ernovincze2900 made a mistake in counting characters, I think I counted jack twice
@@xinlidai1642 Or counted Juno as a dog rather than a wolf, maybe?
@@ernovincze2900 oh yeah that's what I did.
For those wondering how they got the 3D to look so "toony" it's done through shaders and good lighting.
Cell-shading probably
Cell shading looks beautiful
*cel shading but yeah probably, it looks great too
Have you seen the trailer for Lupin the Third??
And good modeling too
berserk really lowered everyone's expectations of 3d anime but LotL and Beastars really show that 3d isn't bad as long as the studio pulls their head out their ass
Kengan Ashura too, the fighting scenes probably wouldnt work as well in if they were in 2D
@@Verdia some of the fights did also look kinda 3d in the manga
+Oscar Pine Also Berserk shouldn’t have landed in a company that normally makes moe anime and make it be responsible for one of the most hardcore mangas out there lol
Don't forget lupin 111!!
Don't forget Dorohedoro
Beastars, The "I think I downloaded the wrong Zootopia" series
The wrong one?
@@DanielLopez-ob9jz VERY
Sorry, you misspelled the word "wrong"... It's written "right". Like in "the *very right* Zootopia..." ;-)
@@buckofspades1795 sorry for replying late? But still why? Beastars is more well written than zootopia and the world is much more fleshed out so why would this be the wrong one?
@@DanielLopez-ob9jz everyone keep your mouth shut so the joke isn't ruined
The “help I’m attracted to a socially awkward wolf” anime
help i'm attracted to a panda vegan psychotherapist
Honestly, I find "help, there's too much sexual tension between Legoshi and Louis".
help im a furry for louis and lego si
Welcome to the club
@@WinterPains True
It would be agonizing to animate if it was 2D, judging from the manga's artstyle.
Indeed, and this is why we shouldn't support 3D animation.
3D animation is easy, so easy that it's tempting to abandon 2D animation in favour of it, like what's happened in America. 2D animation takes forever, and costs a lot of money unless you overwork your animators (which you shouldn't), but it's so worth it, and I'm terrified of all anime one day looking like Kengan Ashura because of this
@@marsupialmole3926 it's easy if they did it half-heartedly. Every kind of animations is hard when people did their best to make a worthfull amimations. 3d is judged to be easier because all you need to do is to move the models, but designing the models itself isn't an easy task imo, and they need to put extra care to make good movements and nothing like hair/hands goes through the body or the clothes like it happens in most of Project Diva MVs
@@justsomeonewhowantstoenjoy8222 I'll start respecting 3D anime when 3D anime starts to look like a 3D arcsys game
@@marsupialmole3926 Computer animation is at a point where, if done right, it can be made to look exactly like a traditionally hand-drawn show. Better, even. It's going to take over anime completely in the next few years. But it is going through some growing pains right now. It will be worth it though, as we'll get more nuanced animation and less characters standing stiff-still while only their mouth moves because that's all the budget would allow for.
@@jessip8654 No it can't look exactly like a traditional hand-drawn show. Arcsys is better at it than any other company right now and even they can't quite capture the sheer flexibility of 2D animation. And it is telling that the best looking anime of the past 5-10 ears was Megalo Box, the one explicitly done using the most traditional method and aping the style of anime from the 80s.
I don't disagree that it will probably take over anime, but that's because it's cheap and easy by comparison to traditional 2D animation, not because it can actually do what 2D animation can do
Beastar’s op is such a jazzy bop. I love it
Very Smart Sandwich also the twist at the end of it. Really cool and love the stop motion 😎 tbh I really love any instance in the series that shows a different animation style, really makes it stand out and capitalizes on what message they want to send.
You should look up the original version of the song too. Those dudes are crazy good. That rap is in 3 languages, and I looooove the sax lines!
Same it's too good
Adam Davis 3 languages? I know it switches from Japanese and English but what’s the third language?
@@kittykenma7192 French
Beastars frames their GC so well that sometimes it just looks like a it was 2D drawn with depth to perfection. One of the few examples of a CG series that worked surprisingly well.
Hey, CGI is only "bad CGI" when you notice it. This studio knows how to make you focus on the story, rather than the meme.
@@inkryption3386 Oh no my friend, CG canbe bad even when you don't notice. Berserk is proof that you can see bad CG even if you're almost blind
@@vcamv2354 I think you missed the point. You only notice that something is CGI when it's done badly, hence Berserk being God awful, and Beastars being brilliant.
@@inkryption3386 Oh, in that case I kinda agree. But well, Beastars is amazing and I've noticed it was CGI from the beginninf haha But well, my brother work with animation, editing and cinema so maybe my eyes are already trained to noticing it from watching him work so much haha
@@vcamv2354 Possibly.
*I ain’t a furry ‘cause this is basically Fantastic Mr. Fox the anime.*
Well the intro has the Fantastic Mr. Fox aesthetic
Charmatic _YT wait what
Natalie Hernandez it was a stop motion film about a fox trying to feed his family and getting up to weird shit in the process
It is literally the best movie ever no doubt in my mind
omggg i love that movie, but i don’t find the two that similar, lol
This show took over once bojack horseman ended.
Netflix headquarters (probably): "quick our animal show is ending snag the rights to another!"
@@desirerivalzx3193 much like how good cartoons got replaced by censoring and terrible cg and retoriacle statements.
@Dalan White exactly, also aggretsuko
Why did I think of dragon ball and supernatural .......
Netflix need to keep their furry demographic
“We’re in the ghetto”
RATATATATATATA
AHHH
the translator eventually realized ghetto was the wrong word, and after that it was always referred to as the back alley market
*RATATATAA*
Cringe
Whether we like it or not, every Louis and Legosi scene has some kind of sexual tension. Don't @ me
Silver Hyrule honestly I just started watching it recently *and I wasn’t prepared for them-*
It’s manipulation but ok-
Having just gotten up to date with the manga... No. Louis and Legosi's interactions are not homosexual. At ALL. But a strong sense of camaraderie does form between the two. Trust me, what Louis does at the end of the murder mystery arc really does cement them more as two men who need each other because their goals align in complete sync with each other than lovers. Also it's kind of fucked up and I would be constantly feeling guilt if I were in Legosi's shoes for the rest of my life if I hooked up with Louis not too long afterwards. Even if I understood that HE was okay with it.
They did tho my dude like boi
@@jojomicheldu59 there is one on myreadingmanga
The whole time when I first watched it all I could think of is “I can’t tell if it’s 2D or 3D”
Same
I love how when legoshi gets angry his fur puffs up, that happens in real life with animals it's to make the animal look bigger and scarier, we have it to but we don't have a lot of hair so it's useless for us now.
What left with us is the predator posture when every part of our body is diffracted and our hands look like claws.
... But Hayao Miazaki wishes it was like that 😂 (Think of Mononoke, Chihiro, Or the Castle...)
Goosebumps when you’re scared!
Honestly, I think that something that the manga did that the anime would never get truly right is the paint scene. While not a inherently bad scene in anime form; with the loss of black and white it also lost the factor of the paint looking like blood. Which (tiny bit of a spoiler If not to the scene yet) I think when he nonchalantly smeared it on his face it showed he was willing to do anything to protect haru. Even if it ment he had to get bloody to do so.
Ah, when he see [spoiler] meet [spoiler], he looks angry and squeeze 3 paint in his hand and place it in his cheeks?
I don't agree, I thought it was pretty well conveyed that the paint looked like blood. As an anime only viewer, it was my probably my favourite scene of the show.
Mellokhai I’m in the middle. As someone who saw the anime first, I got that it was supposed to be like blood, but the manga definitely conveyed it better
the clours kinda conveyed for me how mixed he feels about Haru. Either as prey or as his crush. I liked that scene in Manga and Anime very much.
This mirrors how I felt when the Chimera Ants of HxH's 2011 anime had blue blood as opposed to the red blood I imagined while reading the manga
If my friends ever find out that I watch this. They’re gonna kick me out of their friend group
Yeah same
Totally, except my friend that is a furry who recommended Beastars to me in the first place.
Then you need better friends. Not trying to be mean, btw, I just think that'd be messed up.
I just told my furry hater friends to watch this. I hated furries before, but after watching this... Damn? I'm so drawn in.
If you like Mickey Mouse or literally any cartoon with an anthro animal,technically that makes you a furry. So just let them know that and let it sink it. It isn’t even bad at all.
This anime is so aesthetically pleasing to the eye and has a beautiful story to it
I saw "We're in the Ghetto"
I went Ratatata.
SKRRRAAATATA
same lol
8:14 lmao I was about to comment the timestamp and ratatata but then I saw yours
Exactly what I was looking for in the comments
Chelsea :V OMg sameeee brooooo XD
I was assuming the scene with the stuff flowing through legoshi's veins was to symbolise adrenalin, like it was his brain making sure he had energy/speed to "kill and eat his prey". I can see how that could be easily misinterpreted but I think that's the angle they were going for.
Stabby Stabs i feel now it’s good but in the beginning it was misleading because I thought he had instincts or like powers or a curse while others didn’t
I dont see how people missinterpreted it.I felt like they did a good job establishing that carnivores have their feral instincts, and when Legosi smelled prey, that was a good way to show his instincts taking over.
I kinda knew that it was their instincts taking over (thanks to saberspark lol), but I didn’t know if that visually happened on all carnivores, or it was just emphasis in legoshi’s case
I only think of real things that can happen so much that I didn't even think twice about my answer to the red veins thingy being instinct.
When I first watched it I thought the fountain had some sort of spell or drug and he was being infected/transformed by it. It becomes clear that that's not the case, bit I definitely agree that it felt misleading
"The anime where louis and legoshi are in a gay relationship"
"BiTe mEh"
Me: °o°
@@_fjxp_ WHAT KIND OF HERESY IS THAT!?
Haha they are both disaster bi's
The firigin manga screams "ALL THE 4 MAINS ARE NOT STRAIGHT" stronger than the anime
Lone fr louis and legoshi have so much sexual tension in the manga 😭
One thing I find strange about the art style of Beastars is how different the eyes are of the various characters. Legosi, Aoba and Bill have these large white eyes with tiny black dots as their pupil, no iris. Louis, Juno, Els and Jack have what you'd call the stereotypical "anime eyes", with large, colorful irises. Haru and the Mayor have small dark eyes with no visible sclera, looking more animalistic. Finally, Gouhin has no visible eyes at all (though there are probably also small black eyes in the middle of the eye spots. I don't find any logic in what these different eye types represent.
In case of Gohin adding eyes would just mean extra work for the animators. In Haru especially her animalistic eyes are there by choice to make her look more fragile/adorable. Same goes for the Mayor who supposedly got the plastic surgery for that exact purpose.
srsly, legosi braking the mirror at 0:12 is my most favourite scene in the anime. It looked soooooo good
Yea I really like how they interpreted that
my favorite is the hotel scene right before Haru tries to get eaten.
I agree i wish S2 was out already
Reminds me of MGS5
Sevastian Gomez it’s gonna come out in 2021 ☹️
Not gonna lie
I couldn't imagine Beastars to be in any other Artstyle once I watched the show
The 3D Artstyle fits Beastars so well
I can’t WAIT to see how they animate some of the stuff that happens in the manga
Ikr! Like the chapter where *something* happens to that anteater dude... I can't wait to see how they animate that. You know the part I'm referring to right?
@@zeonmoo192 i freaked out when I read that. Poor dude but atleast he got his arm nerver back
Please no spilers
I just want to see my boy melon 😭
Killua Zoldyck big same
Honestly the 3d was so immersive that I didn't even realize that it switched between 3d and 2d sometimes until I saw this video.
Weird. I never thought that Legoshi's instincts were anything other than just a visualization of his nervous system stimulating.
I think a lot of people who were slightly confused probably saw zootopia first where the premise doesn't include that carnivores actually crave meat. I personally had that issue and after a bit it resolved itself once I had a bit better understanding of the premise
Because it happens so early in the series, I see how some people can mistake it for something actually magical happening. It's at a point in the series where it's not established yet that magic doesn't exist in this universe.
i just-
i gotta say beastars is so good
like i can’t express how i feel about it
but i’m
obsessed?-
Big moood 😤
Right!
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Same. I finished the anime and I just felt empty after that. Guess I'll go read the manga now.
I’m obsessed too , I red 173 chapters in 3 days xD
that one panel: "we're in the ghetto"
my mind: gRATATATA
me too 😂
I'm imagining Legosi's transformation into his instincts be like, a sudden black mist as he stares at his prey, it zooms in on his eyes, and then suddenly the Switch snap sound effect happens and his eyes instantly turn red, with a subtle yet noticeable black aura around him, panning out to show a shot of him staring down at his target.
But IDK, I thought I'd be the type of thing that'd make your heart drop a bit, I'd happen so fast but not to fast to where the viewer doesn't know what's going on. Sort of like a light switch, with an ominous look into the dark for a few seconds. Besides, I'd be easier to animate, meaning I'd cost less. I'll do a rough animatic of my idea once I have time.
Exactly like what i imagine, black aura is more familiar thing that resemblance shift of personality in anime.
Yeah i talk about you gon.
One big thing about why 3D is helpful for this show: Ever notice how animators barely ever draw a point to the teeth on characters with sharp teeth? They only ever really draw it when they want them to look frightening- whether humanoid or more animal-like. I can only assume that's because it's annoying to draw so many edges, and especially to draw them realistically. But in Beastars? They don't have to draw them each time, and that's especially important for Beastars, because they not only draw each point but the way the teeth are shaped and laid out is VERY realistic. It would be a huge hassle to draw each time, and I think removing the aspect of such realistic, predatory teeth would be a small but important detail missed. When you have to stare at their teeth the whole time, being so shamelessly menacing but yet so harmless while being in the hands (or jaws, haha) of a good person.. that alone gives a feel for the vibes of the whole show. It reminds you that although the character you're looking at is a (normally) harmless and kind-hearted individual, they are still a predator, and it shows- whether they are acknowledging that or not. Their vicious teeth are basically symbolical of that.
That's a great point. Never even thought about that.
@@MrDestroyedSoulx It's something I really admire in Beastars. They don't water things down at all. If your teeth are intricately designed to kill, then your teeth will always look as such. It doesn't matter if you yourself are not a menacing person (much like Legosi,) your body will not change to fit your lifestyle.
Legosi is kind, understanding, gentle, and shy.. he is anything but menacing, or bold, or dangerous. In personality, that is.
But his body is a wolf. Something menacing, bold, and dangerous. This show doesn't try to change his appearance to fit his personality, at all. To do so would kind of defy the point of the show. It'd imply he's somehow different from other predators, and that's why he's kind! He isn't scary, he isn't even capable of harm! Look at him!
But no, he's just like all the others, even down to his behavior at his core. He, such a non-violent person, is even a dangerous one. He himself nearly KILLED a person, not because he wanted to, but because his body willed him to. That's what it is to be a carnivore in this world. No matter WHO you are, WHAT you are shows first. It's up to the people around you to try to see past it, rather than to pretend all is well in their world and pretend carnivores can be just as approachable and non-threatening as anyone else.
They cannot. All they can do is accept them for who they are, whether their teeth are made to kill or made to graze.
...To summarize, Beastars is faithful to the world it has set up. It makes no exceptions. If you are designed to kill, your body and mind will always show it to some extent. If you are designed to run and to hide, your body and mind, too, will show it. And I love that. I've seen one too many stories that try to be deep by starring a character of some sort of 'dark' race, only to tone down their appearance and behavior to look more friendly.
@Ty The Great Just because 2D CAN do something, doesn't mean it's easy. It would take insane patience just to get even the teeth at this level of detail in every frame.
Beyond that, there's also lots of effects 2D just cannot do, so that first statement isn't entirely true either.
And there's nothing inherently bad about the way CG looks. The only reason people dislike it is because it's not common, so it feels awkward at first. Then you get used to it, and suddenly you don't care anymore.
@Ty The Great Do you really think the animators would take the time to do something that difficult? The difficulty level IS relevant. Why? This is a TV freaking budget. They're not going to spend that much money to get the point of a carnivore's teeth so detailed. And if they for some reason did, they'd have to... that's right, cut the budget in other areas. They'd have to sacrifice movement in favor of stiff characters like they do in anime where the characters wear elaborate clothes, or maybe have the characters randomly turn 3D anyways the moment they have to actually move for once.
You're imagining a world in which whatever can be done, will be done. But this is not that world, so that's irrelevant. They have a BUDGET to follow.
Beyond that, again, 2D can NOT do anything 3D can. It can do basic things, but there's certain types of rendering that 2D literally cannot do. Like a realistic fire. Does Beastars have realistic fire? I doubt it. But that doesn't matter, because it still makes your statement false.
And beyond that, "the CGI sucks" does not explain, in any way, how the CG is actually bad. Do you just dislike cel-shaded rendering? Because I am willing to bet that's why you dislike it. Which is an EXTREMELY subjective stance. I can't think of anything in the animation that is objectively 'bad' or 'cheap,' or anything like that.
@Ty The Great Fair, doubt either of us would convince each other of anything anyways lol
As I said opinions on animation are.. pretty subjective. So not much we could do about this I guess
You know whats weird? I have the mentality that if CGI make it seem like it was in 2D then its done really well. I have only seen this with beastars and dorohedoro
I really liked it with the Disney movie Tangled back in the day as well
I guess combining the fluidity of 3D and the cartoony-ness of 2D really makes the animation very appealing.
Klaus is the opposite, its 2d animation that uses 3d characteristics
dorohedoro has some good scenes but some look like pure ass. Some scene with shin and noi look so bad its ps2 graphics all over again....
@@kenker_ape i believe that but i still stick by with what i said, thats just my opinion. Plus i got a ps2 very late when the graphics for a lot of games were getting better so i likely wouldn't notice bad scenes with shin or noi
i love how they mixed different kinds of art styles besides the 3D !! this is the first 3d anime i actually like! because *consistency*
Try land of the lustrous, it gives off just as much wholesomness and epicness in both designs and animation, also made by the same studio as Beastars
@@Cris-qn2ii ooh thanks for the tip, I'll check it out 😊
Though to be fair, the 2D parts are actually hilarious.
Simply put, we honestly have no idea how anthropomorphic animals would really move, so our brain accept this as quite possible. Thanks to this, "real" body language is through the roof. Also, i think the way how it stay true to manga + some improvements and ideas, is quite nice.
And ye, the beast mode is kinda, "artistic" i would say...
I'd admit, I was really against Beastars getting a 3D adaption purely based on Paru Itagaki's original art style. I didn't think it would translate well.
Orange did the right thing I made their own style while also respecting the original pages. While you could say that some of that respect is loss with a particular scene (Bill gun) not appearing or entire scenes being replaced with a different environment. I can appreciate what length Orange went to make Beastars a noteworthy anime experience!
*by making their
I need to stop relying on auto correct.
Whenever the Bill gun scene is brought up I never hear anyone question the part of it that I can't find a good answer for, how the hell did Bill learn of Louis' past by just visiting the Black Market? The only other person who knows is Oguma.
@@CaptViewtiful98 Good question, I don't really know how to answer it other than two suggestions:
1: The most unlikely, there's a livestock document available in the black market similar to the mayor's. I doubt this particularly based on the dialogue Louis shared with him.
2: Bill visited the broken down building but again this is flawed, nothing about the building explicitly states that it was a made for livestock other than cages.
@@CaptViewtiful98 Don't forget the mayor, but the real question was who did he get that info from? Either there was a rumor that the new candidate Beastar was actually a livestock, going around the Black Market or something else.
I know it looked so well old school comic like and almost like those kid books back in the 80s wich was really cool since it was great contrast with the narrative and theme
“You were looking at the left side of the screen... right?”
Me, With The ability to use Lazy Eyes: Yesn’t.
Before i started watching beastars i was like “oh so its just animals having sex”
Now that im watching beastars im like “oh so its animals having sex but with a story line”
While I kinda agree, I also think the story and characters were so well written it still would be an incredible story regardless of the animation 😁
Berserk...
One punch man season 2
Seven Deadly Sins season 3
you can read it online ! just search for some scan website, the story is worth of your time ^^
It was mentioned already but yeah. Berserk is an incredible story but the poor CGI ruined the experience for some.
2:00 I feel so foolish for never noticing the 2d switch for the minor characters! of course, that would make so much sense! and it felt slightly different watching it lol. the 3d-2d style is so consistent
Just goes to show how good the 3D animation really is. Like, before this video pointed it out, I thought the show was 100% CGI.
Minus the opening, Haru's sex forest, & Rouis' backstory. Because *_obviously._*
I noticed that the animation with other minor characters was similarly different from the ones that moves with their entire body ( legoshi, haru, louis, etc...). At first, i doubted my observation, but the more i took a closer look at, the less i doubted, and was puzzled of what it was.
Turned out it was 2D but only for the minors, i should've figured it earlier, but hey! I don't know alot about animating.
I love this art style so much. I thought it was weird at first but it really grew on me. It's one of my favorites, really only being topped by the art style in devilman crybaby. It looks so cool to me
I'm really confused if the correct spelling is Legoshi or Legosi-
Legoshi
In Japanese, the old system of translating the "si" character into English was to spell it "si." In the Hepburn system, it is spelled "shi" because it actually sounds like "shi" when Japanese people say it, as in "Hiroshi," or "shimata."
@@wow-ww7pe
So are both correct or should the newer one be used?
This is the weirdest version of zootopia I ever seen!
Try the Russian version. So much child inappropriate stuff despite being _exclusively_ aimed at children and no one else. But neither children nor parents cared. It was too fun to try to.
@@0deadx21 where might I see this Russian version?
@@quesocoatl21 The Soviet cartoon _Ну, Погоди!_ which the past 50 years of generations of children from Eastern Europe and Russia grew up with and fondly remember.
@Ooohbopbopboppadoohwah _Nu, Pogodi!_ It's English title is, I guess, _Well, Just You Wait!_ All the episodes are on CZcams. The vast majority of the world prefers to call the cartoon by its original Russian name, due to convenience and how iconic it sounds.
Animal crossing*
I love the subtle stop of Haru and the slow movements of swiveling her ears forward mimics how rabbits do in the wild!
I thought Beastars was an amazing character study and overall great show, I was hooked from the beginning
oh boy, it's not done
The reason I loved this anime was the variety of styles, 3D, 2D, 2D with watercolor style and the stop motion intro.
Random person: Animes are bad in 3D, its strange
Beastars and JoJo Openings: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
@SaphiraSeraphina Yes
@SaphiraSeraphina ya sure? I mean theres also Kengan Ashura but i also think that it depends on the viewer.
I think it has a style that translates well to 3d mostly because they are animals. Traditional anime characters look off and i almost wanna say boring because its just big eyes nose and mouth with plain clothes. Or its detailed mechs and suits with a very plain looking character. So its just kinda jarring to see that change. Jojo could work in 3d and does pretty well in the games because of how detailed the characters are so the model doesn’t look stagnant.
I am one of those people. I got 3 episodes into Beastars and had to stop watching because the animation was driving me nuts. It’s not that it was badly done, it just doesn’t look quite right to me.
@SaphiraSeraphina JoJo ops 1-3 Are in 3D and its pretty well :p
8:11 where in the ghetto. ARATATATA ARATATATAA-
3:59 EXACTLY!! With everybody movement, expression, and gesture Legoshi makes will make the viewer fall more in love with him! Because of the amazing animation used to create impactful reactions, I have never seen anyone who didn't LOVE Legoshi!!!
Wait, this is 3D??? I just thought it was very well-done 2D!
i mean it’s quite noticeable
I need to watch this series but Netflix is holding out on us.
Kissanime is a great place to watch it :)
Animekisa. tv is also a good site. Go for Fembed server
rat you are wise beyond your years.
animedao is the best site to watch anime, u can watch it there. its adless. :)
Twist.moe is also a donation based anime site so has no ads and its very good :> I personally like the ui of it
Me : *first time hearing that Beastars is owned by Netflix*
*looks up Beastars on Netflix*
Netflix : *New* 2019....but we don’t actually have episodes for you to see
Me : *IT’S 2020!*
Auly Hearts i know right
Auly Hearts Ikr
The rights to show it are only available to Netflix japan at the moment which sucks. Its probably gonna take a minute before the USA Netflix gets a hold of it.
Zamia Ramirez heh, I’m not even going to see it then. I got Nordic Netflix which kinda sucks
Not to expose myself but i turned to the dark side of crime to watch it lol
I honestly didn’t even realize it was 3 D for the first five minutes of the first episode. 😂
Yeah me to 😆
Whenever the CG characters are on screen they seem to have some sort of invisible outline, that somehow makes the characters pop.
I think the 'Savage' instinct switch was purely stylistic. In a more recent episode, the same overtaking if instinct happens to Legosi, and it is in front of people. There is no reaction from them, and no questioning either. So, I assume it is purely representative. I did, however, think it was a bit much.
typical Magical Girl transformation shenanigans
me too. while reading the manga i've always imagined how it would be like if animated; highlighting the changes in Legosi's features (baring fangs, ears perked, etc.) would be enough for me
I've only watched the anime, but considering Legoshi's instincts play a significant role in the story, I'd say the nervous system and flare-up animations served well in showing said significance. However, if they were to improve it, I can agree to an extent, as they could've used body cues like muscles tensing and expression shifting instead of the signal animation. The red flare-up can still stay though, as without it his instincts wouldn't have been quite as heated or noticeable to the general audience even with help from different, more dramatic camera angles.
I believe that his instincts explosive energy shown in the anime was just enough, although I get where everyone's coming from, but in the anime the characters communications and actions were portrayed within there own minds majority of the time, leaving me to believe that the berserk scene was perfectly displayed in showing just how hard it was for him to suppress these dark sides of himself, and how it tore through him as he fought to keep his instincts at bay all from his point of view on the inside. And as we all know he purposely tries through out the season to seem weaker than what he really is knowing just how dangerous and monstrous he really can be. Which gets you to love the characters a little more knowing through text and visual content just how they struggle to want.
Lester Seale it was a stylistic choice in which I believed was actually really well done. His savage instinct burned throughout his body like fire in these cases and it served well to represent how overwhelming it is for legoshi. I appreciate the insight of this comment though, it’s opened up a new perspective:)
I don't know why, but I absolutely ADORE the split camera shots (or the parts where it tries to emulate the manga's pages). I've always loved these kinds of shots, being able to see two or more characters in completely different shots at a close up and all animated at once instead of awkwardly standing there is amazing. There is just so much emotion oozing from those scenes, even when they aren't meant to be tense. I can tell the animators had a passion for what they did, and they made it as good as they could (imo).
I loved the detailed, flowing movements that made the characters appear real. Also you can feel the love and attention the creators put into the show flowing from every scene. They really tried to create something new and unique and you could really tell.
i was only really aware Beastars was 3D in the first, like, three minutes of episode 1. i didn't even realise someone of the minor characters were 2D until you mentioned it in this video. it was done so well and so seamless
One thing about the scene where Legosi's instincts suddenly take over (the "Lavagosi" scene): In the anime this transformation-like sequence plays and Legosi went full predator mode. And in the manga there was no sequence and Legosi was still able to soliloquise. He was slowly carried away and the panel you showed was just the moment where Haru began to run and his body started to move on its own. Not only gave the Lavagosi sequence the impression that he was controlled by something supernatural, it also changed the way predatory instincts work in the show.
Another and super obvious thing is just the line-count. Furred animals are just so work intensive. Remember the mandrill dorm mother who yelled at Legosi for breaking curfew? Her animation was horrible and this is what would happen if you tried to animate so work intensive characters. They would have had to change the art style to something more cartoony to make it easy to animate by hand. I'm so happy that Beastars was made in 3D, so we could keep this approach with a semi-realistic art style.
I think that "the Lavagosi scene" was unnecessary and still confusing. In the manga, Legoshi starts running towards Haru because she started running first, this is just a canine's instinct. In the anime, they did this styling and it felt like something supernatural, especially with him squirming.
Gladius_15 maybe that’s what the company wanted to convey to legosi’s persepective of what his relation to his primal instinct.
It's like with Eren vs the Female Titan in Attack on Titan.
In the Manga he just whupped her ass, he kept calm.
In the anime, he goes fucking berserk and, similar to Legosi's feral instincts taking over, had red, lava-like cracks.
Seems like just a way to make the scene 'cooler'.
It’ll be fun seeing everyone’s reaction to finding out who his grandfather is.
Onlastar I had it spoiled by someone in a comment section of a review of beastars 😔🤚
Fobp I had it spoiled when I looked up how tall Legoshi was 🤣🤣🤣 (currently reading the manga and I was literally only a few chapters behind finding out)
Of all people it was my girlfriend who spoiled that for me, ofcourse this was right after she spoiled it for herself
JOHNY CASHGRAB welp at that point you just gotta throw the whole girlfriend away bro
Lmao yep
I'm not a furry, Legosi just has a relatable and caring personality(when he's normal and not committing murder)
He hasn’t commit murder tho
That's what happens when you have characters that feel real
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I mean- call it what you want, but he did kill SPOILER
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a shit load of lions getting haru back, probably more later on into the manga when he becomes a cop
@@blake3631 I don’t think he killed them, he didn’t even kill the big guy at top.
@@pay_ber true, the scenes were so bloody I just took it as so. Knowing legoshi, your probably right
The textures on the CGI models blend really well with the 2D background characters to where I didn’t really notice upon first glance. Making everything look somewhat cell shaded really gives them legroom when it comes to hiding any budget cuts done on background characters.
Provably going to be an unpopular opinion, but, while the 3D aspect gave Beastars its own style, it also made it way worse in regards to emotional expressions. Half of what was conveyed in manga was pretty much lost because overexaggeration didn't fit with the general aesthetics of 3D models. And mangaka really loves his goofy faces. So, I think this is actually going to be a step up.
That's a fair counterpoint. But at the same time I think a lot of goofy faces don't hold up even in 2D adaptations. Rarely is the level of detail and impact the same becuase it's just a different medium. Plus I personally think the body language aspect and voice acting can make up for that over exaggeration, but that's just me. Thanks for sharing your opinion!
It all depends on format. Lightnovel, manga, 2D anime, 3D anime, are diffrent formats and don't translate to other easily. Most of anime have around 60% of manga.
You can't turn 2D anime into 3D or 60 fps, and you can't turn every aspect of lightnovel into manga. All those formats are adaptation of other
The mangaka is a woman
@@finklebottommale4548 Ah. Gotcha.
@@finklebottommale4548 You lied to me! The mangaka's a giant chicken!
It's worth mentioning that the manga has more detail that implies a lot more about the characters, especially Louis in the content in the anime covered. The art style also gets significantly improved after not long and unfortunately some scenes were pretty scuffed in the anime as a result. Either way, it's a really good adaptation in the same way land of the lustrous was. Manga and anime both do their jobs very well and both are worth experiencing.
I hope the stuidio does some changes to louis' model
Binged the entirety of beastars yesterday- I was honestly impressed and very intrigued- I am now reading the manga!
A big difference between 2D animation and 3D animation is that 3D is a mathematically perfect rendering between each frame and you can pick up on that subconsciously, its is limited by its own exact proportion, size, scale and movement due to it really just being a rotated and posed 3D model. With 2D animation, each frame is entirely different, you don't really notice how everything changes but you can tell its substantially different than a 3D image thats attempting to appear 3D. 2D is an organic animation where the impression of the artists lines go beyond the literal and mathematical lines that are supposed to be there. Basically 3D is accurate to a fault while 2D is inaccurate to the benefit of the art.
8:16
"I'm in the ghetto! Aratatataaaa!"
I've watched the anime first and read the manga. I am really loving it, and I can't wait for season two to come out. Things are going to get REALLY intense. I really love how good the anime looks in 3D.
(SPOILER)
I cant wait till they animate Louie as the mafia boss, his character becomes 10x better and badass,plus the lions!!! I miss them.
Vainglorious Cadenza I’m hyped to see Melon animated
@@varghorder5806 Me too! Hes gonna be horrifying!(in a good way)
The thing I really like about the Beastars anime is that they know how to use the CGI effectively.
They know it's strengths and it's weaknesses. When something will look better in 2D, they do it in 2D. It really helps to make the show have a natural and distinct feel, as opposed to a lot of other shows, especially anime, that just use 3D to save time/money without really understanding how much worse it can look it you don't do it correctly.
It's just like what you said about the differences between manga panels and animation. They have different intents and limitations, and so you should always be working with and around those, not treating them the same. Otherwise it's like trying to use watercolors the same way you'd use a pencil. It just won't look right.
I especially like when they use 2D for effects around the CGI models. Like smoke or water, it flows so nicely contrasted with the stiffer 3D models that it ends up looking better than if they did the whole thing 2D.
I'm an anime only at the moment, but I have loved the art style of the manga and will probably get into it soon. Especially if we don't get another season for the anime.
CGI should be used to fully embrace distinct and weighty angle like the charge attack in S2 I had to rewind it like 14 times
I've read the whole manga and I have to agree, this story is so good in a 3D show. There are so many scenes I can't wait to see. I hope it gets a few more seasons, not just 1 more. I love the manga for sure, it has its own charms, but the anime is just breathtaking. I love the decisions they made with body language, especially getting to see the fur ruffle. I also love the decisions they made in the show to make sure the 3D isn't jarring. The slight choppiness, the effects like the stretch you mentioned on Legoshi, the way they did the shading and outline. I think the manga panel thing also helps with this, too. It is a strange decision, as you mentioned, but I think it totally works, personally. I think giving the shots kind of a manga vibe also helps with the goal of making the CG not jarring, since most of us are accustomed to 2D anime. I'm looking forward to the future of 3D anime tbh. I miss the artistry that anime used to have in 2D. There are some really good digital animations, don't get me wrong, but I think 80s hand drawn traditional stuff is so pretty. The 3D is also really pretty, at least from this studio, so I'm pretty excited. I'm glad we've finally reached this point in 3D anime.
Wasn't BeastStars supposed to be world wide in Jan
Netflix said "First thing 2020" so... yes most people assumed that meant January. Surprise! First thing means 3 months in.
Beastars is in jail from October to March, that is half a year
In march!
what's BeastStars?
@@typos6649 yeah, he misspelled.
Something the anime does right: the Ghibli Shiver
Beastars season 2 is really gonna shock people. I would recommend reading the manga, the story and character development is so good. One of my fav Manga’s of all time
My only issue is the seriously noticable frame rate difference between the 2d and 3d scenes. It's wonderful otherwise but that was distracting at times.
it would be really to hard replicate the manga's artstyle in 2D anyway so i'm glad they went the CG route and did they're own thing that would make the series stand out a lot more.
Judging from the manga style and some of the 2D hand-drawn bit in the show, I'd say a 2D Beastars can be done properly by talented studios. It's not like it has the most complex art style ever, JoJo or Vinland Saga have even more complicate, detailed style yet were adapted wonderfully. Some sacrifice in details would have to be made, but it's not like the CG art style in Beastars is 100% accurate to the manga anyway.
We never see Beastars being done in 2D so of course the common reason people would use for Beastars being in CG is like what you said. But that just make me even more curious to see what it could have been if it was done entirely in 2D instead.
My friend hadn't watched Beastars up until a few weeks ago. I told them about it and they said they didn't want to watch a CG anime. I recommended that they poke at LotL then for preface, and as of today, they fully caught up on both LotL and Beastars + the current manga chapters.
Beastars presenting the significant characters in CG and the background characters in 2D reminds me of how in Wreck-it Ralph, Ralph and Felix move smoothly while the other characters in Fix-it Felix Jr. move more limited.
The animation of the show also gives me heavy Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse vibes.
I AGREE COMPLETELY.
The way cg is used in beastars is PERFECT
JoJo left out "A rodent!? Like Mickey Mouse?" while Beastars left out Louis-Bill-gun.....
Poor Yuuki Ono (Josuke and Louis' voice actors) those being a couple of my favorite meme scenes featuring that voice actor didn't make it in either respective anime
Yagi di Hoshi the voice of josuke plays louis
Gureto deso
I really like this anime with the style as it is. It's one of the rare good 3D anime and it also have multiple styles showing giving off different feelings.
Thus making it unique.
The fact that the facial expressions and such not looking as goofy as in the manga is not really a problem too, because they make up for it in different ways.
It also makes me think of how we humans see animals. I mean, when we see animals, they don't really look like they're making certain emotions on their face most of the time, it's just how they look like. We know what our pets wanted because of the way they act, not by looking at their facial expressions...or at least I don't, so the animation is already showing lots of expressions I'd say.
You should also watch Houseki no kuni :)
3:02 just wanted to say when you say the power he won’t ever have he’s a red deer not a white/black tail which can be up to 7 feet long and 440 lbs
Yes, but It's shown in the show that he's not particularly strong, and he's even outright said that he's physically weak.
Real life size differences between animals aren't present in Beastars - except when they are. It's not very consistent.
@@ernovincze2900 Yeah it's definitely more based on story rather than biology.
I’m just wondering...
Where do the omnivores stand?
Great video! I'm not a big fan of CGI anime, but if it's made by Studio Orange then...they always make masterpieces, like Beastars or Houseki
Beastars is the second best example how to use CGI, only beaten by Berserk.
I hope you’re talking about the games of 2012 movies, not that visual abomination that was the 2016-17 series.
@@ivancorredera4241 The anime adaptation of course
@@plzcme434 ah yes a man of culture. At true masterpiece
Ivan Corredera pretty sure he was joking
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the first CGI anime that I appreciate more than a possible 2D animation
I think one of the most beautiful shots that only would have worked in 3D was after Legoshi meets his friend at the bus stop and they discuss why they wouldn't eat the man's fingers.
The lights in the back and the reflection are so beautiful.
beastars was incredible ;v; I haven't stopped thinking about it since I caught up with the manga after finishing the anime
Same lol, I finished 173 chapters in one day ;-;
L e same 😔
I think it should've been mentioned that scenes and characters on a first watch through, its hard to tell who is 3d and who is 2d. It blends that well at times. It was only through a second watch through, after hearing about this, that I did notice when it switched or combined.
love your vid! i've met Beastars in the manga and so when i first watched the anime it was quite a shock, but i liked it and couldn't tell exactly why. your vid made me notice a lot of subtle things i couldn't point out, so thanks for that!
honestly i'm a big fan of the manga but i love what the studio is doing in the anime, i think it's a very good adaptation and i'm glad to know this masterpiece is reaching more public.
I absolutely loved the atmosphere in the Beastars anime. I haven't watched it in quite a bit nor have I caught up to it just yet (I did finished the manga) but the atmosphere I got from the 1st episode was what grabbed my attention to the series the first time.
I really wanna see this series, so I'm going to wait for March to come around. I- do not have the best association with Netflix. (Tried to order a bunch of rental movies from them back in Aughts, say, 2008 or so. Movies never arrived and i got billed for the damn things.) So, when Beastars comes out globally, I will watch it with significant glee!
kissanime is an option. Just be sure to have your ad-blocker ready to go.
I h8ghot suggest reading the manga first imo since we still have to wait for season 2 to finally get to the murder solution arc along with the hybrid arc.
Oof i remember when they tried getting into that rental thing and it was when they were still a small company. They have pretty good customer service now
8:11 we're in the ghetto ratatata ratatata
“Despite being held hostage by Netflix...” Best line in the video.
I LOOOVE this series!!!! I just love the dark themes with the instinctual, animalistic depiction in the art style, I wish more people would have the balls to make series like this one