What to Expect from Season 2 of the Fallout Show
Vložit
- čas přidán 21. 04. 2024
- Amazon has officially green-lit Fallout Season 2! From deathclaws to super mutants, New Vegas to Mr. House, here's what to expect in Season 2.
Oxhorn's Shop: oxhorn.it/oxhorn-shirts
Subscribe!: oxhorn.it/youtube-subscribe-to...
Become a Member: / @oxhorn
Support on Patreon: / oxhorn
Join Ox's Discord Community: / discord
My Twitch: / scotchandsmokerings
Twitter: / oxhorn
Facebook: / oxhornpage
My Shirts: oxhorn.it/oxhorn-shirts
My Fantasy Novel: www.cloranhastings.com/
My Gaming Rig: pcpartpicker.com/list/xk6zGG
My Editing/Streaming Rig: pcpartpicker.com/list/dt7jsZ
#Oxhorn #Fallout #falloutonprime - Hry
We need a brief moment of Lucy in trouble in a gun fight and lets say a quick visit from a mysterious stranger who helps out
people who not played the games will be so confused
@simbasquest1 everything doesn't have to be explained just a fun Easter egg for fans of the franchise
@@Jaklas1979 yea i think the same thing allso an alien spaceship should randomly fly past to in one of the eps
@simbasquest1 i think a crashed ufo, barely noticeable in the distance, would be a better fit. I think itd be hard to have a flying ufo fit naturally into a scene, but if its inconspicuously placed in a pile of junk in the distance so you have to look for it, the immersion isnt ruined imo.
@@simbasquest1 bro people who play the games are confused about the mysterious stranger aswell. My girlfriend would ask me who the fuck that guy is and I would simply say no clue he just pops up and kills people every so often 😂😂😂😂
*minor correction: the Ghoul doesn’t sew HIS finger back on. He sews Lucy’s finger on. He now has Lucy’s finger.
This is in reference to him saying it's their first honest "exchange"
@flyingwhale7176 but of course. The way the waste land is lol
👍
By the end of the series he will have collected body parts from each faction leader and gain a special Perk from it
@@Dankboi68 true bloody mess
"Broke up with my girl last night. She left the cap off the toothpaste. You know who does that? ''
A Synth.
"Hey! No one in diamond city is a synth, now go back home people!"
the drug that healed the BOS guy could be the one in Fallout 76. Healing Factor Serum can almost instantly repair damage, but it's causes the subject to mutate.
A flask of green serum which, when consumed, will cause the player character to develop the healing factor mutation. This mutation will increase the player character's health regeneration by 300% but reduce the effects from taking chems by 55%.
That would explain his foot repairing and the arrow not killing him.
It could also be some hyper irradiated form of Hydra from Fallout New Vegas. Hydra restores limbs and would be a common drug in the Mohave.
Healing Factor Serum has only really been seen in Appalachia
So, the thing with the Squire becoming a Ghoul: my brain immediately went to Hancock from Fallout 4. You find out in his companion story that he isn't a radiation ghoul; he took an experimental drug!
That also gave him the best high he’d ever had.
That was my thinking. Swan also wasn’t dipped in a vat according to his notes so there’s obviously other ways.
Eddie Winter also did that to survive the apocalypse in his own bunker in Fallout 4.
However, with Hancock and Eddie it sounded more like a secret government/corporation made drug. The stuff Thaddeus got from the "Snake Oil Salesman" was much more of a homebrewed concoction. How quickly it turns ya into a Ghoul seems slower too.
Granted, you could argue Jet has a similar set up in Fallout. Being old world meth with new world flavor (Brahman shit).
So, maybe the guy figured out how to make it on his own/found out about it and reversed engineered it?
The show has taken some liberties with how ghouls work in Fallout already. So this might be another alteration. Otherwise, it could be a homebrewed FEV concoction, or something new the show is introducing like the drug that treats ghouls starting to go feral.
I think he is going to become a super mutant
Considering he threatened the med guy with a gun at that point, so it may have been an elaborate f*ck you back to him.
WE NEED TERRY CREWS TO PLAY TABITHA IN S2!!!!!!
LMAO THAT’S MESSED UP
That'll be cursed. Add elements of his Expendables character and well.....
David Morrissey would be good as an enclave general. He was good at playing the governor in the walking dead.
If they ever cast Virgil, it’s gotta be Dave Bautista.
YES YES YES
The raiders probably were tranquilized by the people of vault 33. Lucy was shooting the raiders with a tranquilizer gun. And if you notice in some scenes you can see a yellow box on the walls of the vault with tranquilizer guns in them.
Between Lucy's tranq gun knocking out some of the raiders, and the fact that is was established early on from Lucy's introduction that the vault dweller's undergo regular combat training, the show does a reasonable job explaining how they would manage to capture some of them. The only reason they did so poorly at the onset was that they were caught unawares.
Did you notice, Lee Moldaver looks younger in the Shady Sands retrospection than in pre-war times? Here's an idea: She is NOT Miss Williams, the woman before the war. Instead, She is one of her clones, presumably brought to life every time the last one dies through the last 219 years. This way, we may see this character in season 2.
Good idea
That would work. It's odd we didn't see a conversation between Cooper and moldaver in the present. Could be that it would reveal that info too soon
Gary....
Clones work, but its not the first time we've seen people pre war lasting this long without becoming a Ghoul, Sole Survivor from Vault 111 with cryo, entirety of Vault 31, and Kellogg, who used cybernetics to stay basically immortal, and Mr House, kind of
She's a Synth!
The finger the Ghoul sewed back onto his hand was actually Lucy's finger that he chopped off of her, lol.
Really? How didn't I notice that?
Which was utterly stupid.
then how did she get it sewn back ?
@@aldunlop4622 why tho?
@@ivydowling75she got hers out the old and rotten finger drawer from the organ harvesting mr.handy
The Fall of Shady Sands can be taken like the Fall of Rome which took over 200 years. Something 'falling' doesn't mean it was destroyed instantly, it means it began a period of decline. See also the fall of the Soviet Union from 1988-1992.
You mean Caesar was right?
@@hollieginoza7935 Ave! True to Caesar.
This show exploded because it is so different than what we have on TV now. I feel though they kept the Fallout quirkiness to a minimum but will dial it up in Season 2 :).
I hope Norman plays a significant part in Season 2. He kinda became a fourth main character in Season 1.
100% he's the main character of the vault 31-33 story with his own sidekick and villain 😂😂😂
He's our eyes in the vault basically
Well, they wouldn't have the problem of the actor aging between seasons. I mean, he's obviously a full grown adult right now. I think the actor is like 30 yrs old. I was all "Lucy's younger brother? lol"
He was a far better character than Maximus
He was honestly a great surprise of the show, didn't expect to like him much but ended up liking whenever he was on screen
I'd say a more logical reason for no super mutants or deathclaws is because both would have been thoroughly purged from that part of California by the NCR.
or moved to Jacobstown.
@renaigh Hopefully Jacobstown is still around in some fashion
The actual "most logical reason" is they needed to keep the show on budget.
Yes, also the fact that both mutants and death claws are well primarily in the east coast so fallout 4.
After the master’s death most super mutants left the boneyard and wandered the wasteland. So that’s anothe reason.
I always said "the Fall of Shady Sands" does not mean "the Fall of the NCR". The NCR is huge and even though they were HQed in Shady Sands, they can move. President Kimball easily could have flown out to Vegas from a different city. The NCR in New Vegas could have been kept in the dark on purpose.
well assuming Kimball wasn't killed at the hoover dam mission
What I want to see in season 2, since this show is going "gory" is I want to see the pre-war transformation of Bud from being a human into a brain on a roomba. Like how does that process work? What could motivate someone to make that kind of sacrifice?
Being stuck in a vault alone without food would do it
What makes me curious is why he's much smaller than a regular robobrain. Why not a Think Tank robobrain instead? I mean, he's a partner of Big MT so that's actually a possible thing to do, rite? I just think that his roombabrain body is far from efficient
They had a super mutant bounty poster when they bring the ghoul into the governmint
Neat, I totally missed that and thank you for pointing it out.
In episode 2, the scientists have a super mutant body on a gurney and they are transporting I somewhere.
They were wheeling a dead one out of the labs at the enclave before the scientist escaped
looks like he escaped from enclave and then enclave put poster everywhere to find him
Government*
About the Water chip here's my wish.
Betty alerts Budd in Vault 31 about both the chip and Norm's sudden disappearance.
Budd then tells her about what Norm did and the two let him out. But at a cost to Norm.
Betty decides to punish Norm by forcing him to seek out a new water chip as a convenient cover up for his banishment.
Not a bad idea - maybe have him exit through 31's vault door which exits into a cave filled with giant rats? :)
I like it. Nice callback to Fallout 1. ties up a loose end, and Establishing vault 31 asa node in a trade route helps that community open up to more than raiders.
I think Norm will do something with the cryopod computer he was approaching at the end of the season that will get him out of his predicament. He's already been shown to be ruthless in thought, though cowardly in action, and when you corner a ruthless animal. I think he'll "hack" the computer and hold the remaining frozen Bud's Buds hostage or something.
Shouldn't Vault 32 have a functioning water chip? At least until/unless the populations of the split 32/33 vaults grow, one chip should provide enough water.
@@jarink1 probably does, but I don't think they were designed to serve 2 Vaults at once.
Even if they were both connected.
The captured raiders are the raiders that were injured in the big fight scene.
We saw Hank and Steph kicking ass, and the whole vault population does train with firearms and fencing and physical education... they aren't entirely defenseless.
I think another reason why they didn't include death claws and super mutants because aside from maybe the Ghoul, I do not think the characters would have survived that encounter, they need more experience in the wasteland first before they're ready for that battle.
Ive seen a really cool theory about the “New Brotherhood” Elder Cleric Quintus wants to make… imagine this, It was Legion Remnants after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam that synthesized with the Western BoS. At first it was probably just an alliance of circumstance. They both wanted Revenge on the NCR. By working together It’s how they got so strong on West Coast again. It’s how they have a Base on the Utah Salt Flats (Legion Territory) in episode 1. As the BoS they remove advanced technology from everyone else, they are forced to adapt or die. The Red and Gold BoS Banners, the Latin names…the Cultish Clerics. Quintus even calls his forces a “Legion” not a Chapter. When Elder Cleric Quintus says “we used to rule the Wasteland” he is talking about Caesar’s Legion losses along with the Western BoS losses. The “New Brotherhood” he talks about making? It’s the fulfillment of Caesar’s dreams. *A synthesized Legion.* The 88th Tribe. With Cold Fusion now in their possession, California shall be their Rome. Pax Romanus
That's likely, the fact loyalty is more important to Quintus is a red flag no pun intended. The brotherhood values honor and bravery, not loyalty, unless it's to the brotherhood itself. Danse is a beacon of the excellence and if you watch the show back there are no proud knights or paladins. They seem more like a frat boy party with guns and senseless joy over their advancements
@@TheVoltdenatsu and you can still rationalize that the Legions desire for martial and physical prowess is still being kept up. You have to earn using power armor and lots of BoS soldiers fight in just uniforms. Plus by hoarding advanced technology, they force the Wastelanders to adapt or die, like the NCR, which I be Quintus was eager to finish off.
man i hope. this plot sounds so intrigueing. a direct continuation of new vegas
That could be interesting. Especially considering the Brotherhood in NV probably wouldn't care for this version of the Brotherhood. Regardless of the elder. McNamara is too nice, and Hardin is a stick in the mud. So if they show up, I imagine there will be disagreements. Though that assumes they survive the events of NV.
The BoS and Legion working toghether isn't that crazy.
BoS doesn't want anyone else to have technology
Legion believed technology made you weak.
Legion is honestly the only alliance BoS could make without being a hypocrite.
The Caswennan is an alternate name sometimes used to identify King Arthur’s ship, more commonly known as The Prydwen. So calling it the Caswennan may have just been a funny little wordplay to keep the ships identity secret during production.
Woah
That is actually the reason, they confirmed it a week or so ago
It was the Prydwen, East Coast went out to support the West.
That makes Prydwen's survival canonical... and obviously not under Danse.
@@TG626 Danse was never in command of the Prydwen. I mean technically speaking, Lancer Captain Kells is the commanding officer of the Prydwen during Fallout 4. But I believe you were referring to Arthur Maxson who was the Elder of the Brotherhood using it as a Flagship for his Expeditionary Force.
Dude if you pay attention to literally like one of the first lines within the BOS it says “our friends from the commonwealth have informed us” meaning that they are still around confirming 1-2 canonical endings for 4
I was talking with my friends and I came up with the idea to have Danny Trejo reprise his role of Raul, and kinda have him be the story teller of what happened to New vegas after the game ends
I smell what you're cooking and I want a helping of that.
- Count the number of raiders disabled by Lucy with her tranq gun onscreen - I assumed that's who we saw in the cell.
- I'm guessing wildly that shady sands split from the NCR, following a new elected leader named Moldaver, giving us the "first capital" note and the "fall of shady sands" note instead of "fall of the NCR."
The ones in the cell was indeed the ones she shot(well the few she shot, like the girl who was about to kill her brother was locked up aka she was shot in the face lol) the rest probably lost their 1v1s/got jumped by other residents
Yeah, with the number of combat oriented vault clubs these dwellers are bad asses.
They have the skill to take down the Raiders, but there were 2 problems with the first being that they’ve never actually trained for combat, and the second is that they hole heartedly did not expect it.
You can train in martial arts as a hobby but that doesn’t mean you’re first reaction is to use those skills if a battle breaks out, and the raiders came in pretending to be wedding guests and waited long enough to make sure the dwellers didn’t suspect anything. It happened very fast and the dwellers had no chance to react and get their footing, but after the initial shock the dwellers started fighting back and winning. The only ones that actually posed a challenge after the Dwellers started fighting back were the soldiery ones with Muldaver.
That makes sense. The NCR as of New Vegas was quite corrupt and had a lot of problems. Moldaver's group was probably a more idealistic/radical/populist faction that believed themselves to represent the "real" NCR. I don't think they were separatists because they still used the NCR flag, and the entrance of their base said "New California Republic HQ". They were probably in conflict with the actual corrupt NCR government, which is why their troops were nowhere to be seen in the area, and why Moldaver had to use raiders instead of actual soldiers to take the vault. The official NCR probably moved their capital away from Shady Sands after Moldaver's radical faction took over the city.
The more I think about it, the less it makes sense for NCR to have collapsed from the destruction of Shady Sands (especially with it being the original capital, meaning it wasn't when it was nuked). Losing one city, that had only 3% of the NCR population, wouldn't collapse the country. So either they had Hank nuke every NCR city (which would be a VERY big deal...wiping out so many legacy locations from the original games), or the NCR is still around and just pulled out of SoCal once their communities there were gone. Maximus says NCR didn't work out but he's a newly minted squire; he doesn't know jack.
@@arthurwigglesby8590 it could have been a combination of factors. like NCR was busy recovering from their situation in new vegas so when shady sands got nuked, they were still consolidating. they barely had time to respond and figure out something was wrong. at which point, NCR could have fractured a little internally. not enough to bring down NCR, but enough that NCR could not easily respond to the sudden swooping in of the Brotherhood to snatch up some survivors and leave, before later coming back in in force to take out the NCR base there. I imagine though that with mauldevers death, chances are the Brotherhood and NCR are going to find themselves on a collision course. because the promise of cold fusion now being Stolen by the Brotherhood is going to likely kick NCR into war with the brotherhood. it could be that the ghoul and lucy ends up running into enclave remenants and members of NCR in their pursuit of Hank. meanwhile... NCR starts prepping to retaliate on the brotherhood as well as New vegas starts to itself recover from the aftermath of its own devastating clash.
honestly we might get some drug trip moment or areas of confused perspective where things like the mysterious stranger or Zetans appear. Lucy probably is going to be contending with those as she continues pursing the truth and hank.
My main concern for the show was that an Enclave scientist defected and stole the cold fusion, the brotherhood then spends time hunting down said scientist but doesn’t seem to give a shit that the Enclave is still around.
They have many enemies, and the technology is clearly powerful and dangerous, that's why it's priority... for now.
the enclave is just about destroyed at this point isnt it? hes held captive by the brotherhood but chooses to give cold fusion to the NCR
I guess it's not the whole Enclave as we see in Fallout 2, more of a Remnant, like the one in New Vegas but more active.
@@agentnukaz1715 As far as we know, there is a base out in Chicago that might have perfected controllable super mutants. I also don't remember if Bradley-Hercules was destroyed or disabled at all.
That being said, you think the Enclave is going to let Cold Fusion disappear from their grasp? The Prydwen's days are numbered.
In Fallout 2 they also did jack shit about the enclave and that was the whole damned contingent of them, BoS and Enclave's rivalry is less intense than what people think XD
I like the idea that this show is tying up loose ends and bringing the seperate wastelands together. I’m convinced that while the next season takes place in New Vegas that Hank is truly headed to the Enclave outpost in or around Chicago. There is a lot to explore between Vegas and Chicago. Including but not limited to Caesar’s Legion in and around Arizona, a BoS Bunker in Montana, The Midwest Brotherhood in and around Chicago, The survivors of New Canaan around Salt Lake City (as well as the Zion tribals), The Khans (depending on the chosen cannon ending) who could be in Idaho OR allied to the Followers as a “mighty empire” across Wyoming. And while most of these wouldn’t require a whole season to explore so could be covered in an episode or two they are the more major factions we know about and it could flesh out what’s happened in these areas in the last 15 or so years. I think it would be a really cool way to do the show very in line with the wandering adventurer player characters from the games who almost always wander off after the story is complete.
If you remember, Lucy and Vailt Security were armed with tranq guns and they all shot a few raiders. Which those would be the raiders who were imprisoned.
Raiders were a means to an end, only a distraction, never meant to leave with them.
Exactly
great writing.....
Clearly.
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009 Well, it wasn't a dumb idea by her but the fact they memoryholed the raiders into that room, which had been makeshifted into a prison cell on the spot by the dwellers while others somehow kept the raiders at bay, IS great writing by whomever did this and a stellar reminder of noth Amazon's and Bethesda's storytelling.
The miners in Fallout 2 became super mutants even though they weren't dipped in FEV. I believe contact with FEV is enough to turn someone based off that, right?
Yes, and it can aerosolized
It also contaminated the water supply of Huntersville in FO76
Yeah I find the assertion that something called the Forced Evolutionary "VIRUS" you have o be dipped / immerse in a vat of to work. Now, it may not be an airborne virus but can still be transmitted by various bodily fluids like most colds and flus.
I think the Vault population is actually bigger than we've seen. The guy reporting on the drinkwater problem is one of many working while the conference is taking place. According to fallout wiki vaults have between 100 to up to 1000 people.
19:45 - THANK YOU. I haven't seen anyone talking about this yet and I'm so glad you did. Moldaver's character COMPLETELY flips by the end of the season and I don't see a justification for it AT ALL. It's one thing for her to target the Overseers and the people in the know, and it's one thing for her to be working with the NCR. It's a COMPLETELY different thing for her to be working with psychotic raiders at the start and have such a ferocious reputation that the shopkeeper in Filly warns Lucy away just at the mention of her name.
I loved this season, but Moldaver was a REALLY weak part of it for me. It's like they smashed 2 characters into 1 and it didn't work for me at all.
I guess the only justification is that she wasn’t really all that good even given her portrayal. Maybe it was more of a self satisfaction venture as opposed to truly helping those in need. It’s the juxtaposition of wanting so badly to obtain the thing that helps, while doing everything so wrong to achieve it that the mere mention of her name is a curse. Now I’m wondering, what was her plan to get the device in the first place? What if the scientist never ran away? Would capturing Hank still have been that important to get into the vault for? And I’m still confused on how they got the mother’s pipboy to get into vault 32 in the first place
@@extremeencounter7458 I'd definitely believe that she wasn't as "good" as she wanted to seem, but also her ultimate goal was free energy for everyone, and she was with the NCR - it just feels so completely antithetical to her character to have been with raiders and murdering innocents.
As for the Pip-Boy though, we do actually have an answer to that! The ghoul with Moldaver at the end was Lucy's mom - clearly she found Lucy's ghoulified mom and got the Pip-Boy off of her. When the overseer told Lucy's brother that she'd buried their mom, that was a lie.
"Miracle Drug"
I have an answer in a form of a question, remember the Cabots from Fallout 4?
glad I'm not the only who thought of them.
Did the supply of Lorenzo's serum dry up after 2277? Did the Flame Mother lose access to the serum after FO4? Maybe that pressured Moldaver into action and/or lead to the Fall of Shady Sands.
Even if it isn't specifically the Cabot drug, it's an example of there being mystery drugs with wild effects that never specifically named all over the wasteland
I mean it could easily be whatever hancock took to become a ghoul he took a drug and it ghoulified him
Yes. Very possibly this.
Or… I actually assumed throughout most of the show that it was simply Radaway or Rad-X.
It would also make sense in that it is NOT a “cure” as Oxhorn is suggesting…
It just prolongs the ghoul from becoming feral.
What would do that…? Taking absurd amounts of Radway so your brain doesn’t continue to rot from radiation.
Come on Oxhorn, Moldaver is a synth. She has the original Moldavers memories implanted.
That or she's a clone
@@A13jandr0169 I can't remember if the clones in Fallout had memories of the original person. But definitely an opinion.
In vault 4 there was a synth. She had glowing blue eyes like one. But moldaver is possibly an FEV mutant, I explained that the drinking of blood is likely moldaver drank the blood of FEV tainted supply and she became a ghoul/vampire. Synths having a relationship with an aged ghoul is just highly unlikely, it's more like we see a synth of moldaver later in the show.
Up until this point, Synths were really only in east (The Capitol in 3, Commonwealth and on the Island in 4) due to the institute. That's not to say the institute didn't pick up and head west, much like they did between 3 and 4. Unless there's multiple locations operating individually, that aren't mentioned anywhere (as far as I know). But none of that is provable unless we find hard evidence in game or in whatever other media is considered canon, such as the show now.
So basically, based off of what we have seen in canon, it's more possible that she was cryogenically in stasis, this is a cloan technology that her company was working on before or under Vault Tec (which could lead to the origin story of the cloaning experiment vault full of Gary's) or a possible stable FEV experiment. But that last one is a bit of a strech over the other few. I personally don't know of any examples of where someone used FEV and at the very least didn't become a giant, green, hairless sasquatch.
My bet:
She actually was working with the communist Chinese (she was leading that anti-VaultTec thing pre-war) and they had stolen some cryogenic tech. Had her frozen due to how good of an agent she was for them. Also explains how she has the listening device pre-war, as that is definitely spy technology. She also ages as much as Hank does, meaning she likely unthawed around the same time he did. The game has yet to explore remnants of the Chinese invasion force in the US, so there's a narrative reason to return to Moldaver's past.
I'm pretty sure that they're just saving super Moody's and deathclaws to stretch it out in later seasons of Fallout and on top of that you know they probably want to make sure they get a effects company that can do the kind of quality effects that fans are going to expect from such iconic parts of the Fallout universe
I’ve watched all four videos about the fallout show you came out with and I think we are misunderstanding the year on the chalk board. It says “fall of SS” and then a arrow to a mushroom cloud. The bomb isn't dated. Meaning “the year” was the start of the fall. The reason, it got bombed in the first place.
I don't know why this is confusing. Also, Maximus was there when the bombs fell and Lucy was there before the bombs. If it happened in 2277, they'd both be about 30 and they're clearly not.
@@andyholland2130 honestly, everyone else made me confused and question it. I thought it was pretty simple too. Haha
When the interviewer in that IGN video mentioned we didn't really find out what was up with Moldaver, Jonathan Nolan said "we didn't, did we?" Total codespeak for we are going to find out in season 2, they know she is still one of the biggest questions for viewers after the season 1 finale. He (or Todd) also said they don't think we've seen the last of the NCR.
But she died so it wouldn't make sense to speak of her again. Unless there's another one of her which could mean that she's a clone hence why she's been alive all this time and why "everyone knows her".
@@joebenzz With how common pre-war flashbacks were in season 1, I think it's absolutely safe to say we'll see at least one more interaction with her and pre-war Cooper Howard given where we left off in the finale with him spying on the board meeting. And while characters in 2296 likely won't have reason to discuss her at length, I also think it's absolutely in the realm of possibility to hear at least mentions after her death given what she just accomplished in the finale.
I want to know if she was frozen or cloned. How did she live so long?
@@joebenzz the guy huncho that frees the Ghoul from the grave. Refers to Moldaver as a "witch." So I think that would make sense.
The director Nolan said the NCR is alive and well, shady sands is just one place. It was the Prydwen and it is the east coast brotherhood that came to reinforce the west coast chapter. You can tell this by the east coast brotherhood flags and the west coasters asking "why are they here and what model of power armor that?"
Moldaver I think was using the raiders like mercenaries like the gunners to get in the vault and get Hank for the code, she isn't a raider but NCR seeking the cold fusion tech. She didn't care about setting off an explosive and trapping some of the raiders in vault 33.
They probably moved to San Fran, actually, it'd be a damned cool series finale to have something like "The battle of San Fran" be it's last event or smth like that, just saying.
@@Nobody-zl3kk Yes I got a feeling actually they will set fallout 5 in San Francisco area. They have given a few hints about the city like in Fallout 4 like Kellogg's past.
As a big fan of Minutemen, please please I want them thrive in Commonwealth.
Alive and well *for* *ten* *years*…
You’d think they’d still have… an army, and ranks… and currency… and chain of command… *if* *they* *are* *still* *intact*… even in decline they sustained a nation the size of California, surely there’d have been some organised stragglers.
That’s completely ignoring the fact there is no news about NCR remnants, nor of anyone (and there’s a lot of people) for a 10* year period claiming any part of California… nor news of any major battles (news of Helios one, Hoover dam and the divide spread pretty quickly, why wouldn’t stuff closer be any different?)
Even a Hearts Of Iron 4 mod that takes place in the same universe (old world blues) does this in the form of “newspapers” for major events (the NCR/Legion war, the unification of Texas (infinitely more interesting then the show by the way) etc).
If a *grand* *strategy* *game* *mod* can grasp the concept of *MAJOR* *EVENTS* being news worthy *across* *the* *wastes* (granted it happens instantly because of the nature of the game but still), surely the writers could too right?
Oh also… I’m sure it doesn’t take 10+ years to fly across the United States in a blimp… or with vertibirds… the only explanation would be they heard nothing from lost hills… but then… why wouldn’t they send teams to check sooner?
@@janetd5121 why not the East Coast again?
I want them to explain why Coop is different from other ghouls. We've already seen other ghouls go down from a gunshots very quickly but in Filly he just stood there & took multiple shots without slowing down. He's obviously different as his face isn't as decomposed & he's apparently immortal like beyond the standard functional immortality of standard ghouls.
My theory has to do something with his wife . We still don't even know what he did after he found out that conversation .
well Thaddeus took an arrow to his throat and survived like it was nothing, I think Cooper is pretty normal for a Ghoul all things considered
I don't think the use of "Fall" was to deceive the audience about the time line of Shady Sands. I think it was how the survivors saw it. Or maybe a little bit of both. But we should always assume there's an in universe reason before assuming the only purpose was to deceive.
I kinda hope that Moldaver was a synth. An ex institute scientist transfered to a synth body, who traveled to the west coast to restart research.
In the first episode I had thought that Wilzig and CX404 were synths. Then I realized that Wilzig was just a cult member.
21:02 I think the raiders imprisoned are ones who were incapacitated during the chaos. Lucy had a tranquilizer gun from the armory. People were fighting back against them. It's definitely possible some were knocked out and not killed, then locked away when everything was over before they woke up.
Exactly... you can even compare during the Vault fight scenes, most of the Raiders that were tranq by Lucy, are the prisoners in the Vault later.
Idk how oxhorn missed this, mega brain
I felt like Moldaver enlisted the raiders for tactical reasons. She need a distraction and muscles to overwhelm the inhabitants of Vault 33.
Raiders are expendable, well-trained NCR troops are not; especially with their reduced numbers. While the raiders were tearing the vault dwellers apart, she and her crew blended into the chaos and focused on the Overseer.
21:11 if you notice in the beginning of that same episode that Lucy is showing off the skills and training that the vault gives them, marksmanship and hand to hand combat being the most important here, not only that but there were many tranq guns that the raiders ignored after taking the armoury, so it’s not like the vault dwellers were defenceless, just caught off guard.
The outro of episode eight shows a billboard for "The Tops Hotel & Casino Cryo Suites".
Wow. That could be a very important observation, there. Perhaps cryo chambers were common than the previous games suggest. Could this be how Moldaver is alive since pre-war? Or was her life extended somehow?
@@texasman1836 If cryochambers were used on multiple vaults, then clearly its a somewhat widespread technology, at least within the corporations with the need to know.
@@cognitivedisability9864 I agree. And the different types of cryo beds that we've seen suggest that it's been available for a while.
That was stupid!
@@texasman1836 I figure that Moldaver was in one of those suites, and was awakened by a battle at New Vegas that shut the power off. That's how she meets the NCR, and thus how she makes it back to LA leading NCR remnants.
I''d say the 2277 date was refering to when the NCR probably chose to relocate the Capital to somewhere else, like Vault City. Somewhere further away from the Mojave as a redundancy plan that was pushed by the President at the time after the First Battle of Hoover Dam. So that in the event that Caeser's Legion managed to defeat the NCR at Vegas and make an attempt to invade California, they'd have a LOT more ground to cover in order to take down the NCR's leadership in the worst case scenario of a Legion invasion of California.
Thus the Fall of Shady Sands wasn't refering to its literal destruction. But its fall as the original Capital City of the NCR.
Agreed but it would be significantly decrepit and a shell of its former self; probably limited to just a corrupt and decadent regional power.
Or it could have collapsed entirely and there’s fragments of the old government all over the west coast.
Fun fact: this location is actually the Brooklyn Army Terminal in Brooklyn, NY (woohoo). The location was used in the 1st & 2nd World Wars for troop and supply shipments to Europe. I like to think that the Enclave scenes took place at that location, in NY, in the FO universe. There has not been any canonical confirmation on the status of NYC and its boroughs (such a Brooklyn). So, it is a possibility. From what it sounds, the Commonwealth BOS ONLY received intel on Wilzig.
I think a lot of fans are missing that Vault-Tec only *conceived* the idea of dropping the bomb first. It doesn’t actually mean that they were able to initiate the process. The entire scene is basically a think tank.
Which could be why Janie was outside her secured vault when the bombs dropped. They also have to explain why Coop was separated from Barb at the time as well. Which means there was some sort of “fallout” between her/Vault Tec and Coop if he was broke by the time the bombs dropped.
Coop in a way for this series is like Captain America, he’s the centripetal force that has the longest standing history with Vault Tec. So it’s most certain that Vault Tec’s revelations will come through his perspective.
I think the FALL OF SHADY SANDS in 2277 refers to its removal as the capital of NCR. Hence why the sign has “FIRST CAPITAL” written on it.
First Battle of Hoover Dam would've played a role in its decline in the Republic
I did see some parts of an interview were the 2 major heads said, they did not want to spend all the big fun stuff in the first season (speaking of Deathclaws and Supermutants, clearly hoping for another season) and that they hope to work more with Moldaver. Considering Moldaver is dead, that sounds like lots of looks into the past.
ORRRR… Moldaver is a synth? 😮😮😮
Moldaver clones!
I want them to explain more about the history and experiments of vault 4, I think that would be interesting.
Obviously the "fall of shady sands" doesn't mean we should automatically assume it's referring to the bomb. It very clearly could be a reference to a major turning point event which directly ignited the sequence of events that ultimately resulted in the bomb being detonated (aka the point at which the bombs metaphorical fuse was lit) . This should be self evident considering the chalkboard very clearly indicates "the fall" and the mushroom cloud as two distinct events. Not to mention the bomb not being dated is a pretty huge tell. That chalkboard shouldn't cause anyone confusion.
Elder Quintinus mentions the "highest clerics of the Commonwealth" when addressing everyone about their mission to find Wilzigg
Yes and add in the east coast brotherhood flags and people asking why are they here and wondering what model the power armor is when the Prydwen shows up, its clear its the east coast chapter sending people to get the cold fusion tech. It is lore in fallout 4 the Prydwen was having power issues with its reactor.
This means that only the Brotherhood or Minutemen endings can be canon.
@@CyberController- Yes and I think the reason they are still in the commonwealth is there are still synths and the railroad helping them, otherwise why not return to the capital. Likely fallout 4 ending is Minutemen ending with destroying the institute and leaving both the railroad and brotherhood still around.
I believe the US before the Great War was broken up into “commonwealths” instead of states so just note that
@@janetd5121 Narratively, it wouldn't make sense to keep the Railroad around long-term. With the Institute gone, it's unlikely Synths will be a focus in any games going forward. In that case, you might as well have them wiped out by the Brotherhood.
As for them staying in the Commonwealth, that's why they're after the Cold Fusion reactor. Ingram says in 4 that, without a solution to their reactor's overheating problem, the Prydwin is stuck at Boston Airport. A Cold Fusion reactor is just what they need to get moving again.
I assumed that Moldaver froze herself. Vault Tec bought out every company she worked for. I doubt Vault Tec made the cryopods that worked because they look completely different from the pods that failed in Fallout 4. I think the stasis pods in Fallout 4 were vault Tec’s design to see if they could do it differently and do it better but failed, and the ones we see in Vault 31 are created by one of the companies Moldaver worked for. If she created or helped to build these herself Moldaver could have had her own in a location closer to where she lived or worked and had a set time for herself to be released from the pod. As for becoming a revolutionary and basically a raider, it could be because she knew it was Henry who dropped the bomb on her town and decided that violence was justified in order to get her cold fusion project running, hoping the resource could be used to benefit everyone and reduce the fighting between different factions by giving everyone something that they needed to make survival much easier
Vault tec didn’t necessarily fail with their cryo pods besides theres nobody to wake them up. The institute sabotaged the cryopods by turning off life support, only left us as the sole survivor in case they needed a ‘backup’
Well in Fallout, Cloning is also a thing. She could just be copies of the original.
@@minyaksayur Technically yes, but cryo is more likely.
My bet is she could have been even in Vault31, as a prisoner. "to be defrozed if research with Cold Fusion needed"... and maybe Rose Lucy's mom freed her.
@@MolnarG007I’m thinking a more likely scenario, since she did have a lot of resources pre war, is that she secretly prepared for the worst and recruited underground. Maybe had something of a network throughout the wasteland of those suspicious with resources. Knowing that Vault-tec’s plan was to recolonize in 200 years, they would in turn do the same when the time came.
@@minyaksayurtrue. She could have also had connections to what would eventually become the Institute so a synth would also be possible but I feel like there would have been some kind of foreshadowing if that was the case when she died. Theorising with everyone is so much fun though. We’ll just have to see
Edge runners refired up Cyberpunk 2077 into one of the best games to date. Fallout on Amazon reignited Fallout 4 into the stratosphere. This will be a theme now.
14:15 Labeling the ship the Prydwen was a mistake. Here is my evidence: The Red Rocket filling station does the same thing. Both the "Red Rocket" sign and the pricing marquee have the same exact letters/labels damaged, and in the same exact way, as they appear in FO4. Easy conjecture: Modeling artists were instructed to "recreate this Red Rocket station / recreate this ship", so the CGI artists rooted around in the game, got all the data points they needed, and did what they were asked. And then nobody went back to fix anything, assuming they even noticed, because it would have been an edit they would need to achieve long after the work was already done.
The Biggest question is: Who did the cleaning of Vault 32? Bud? He's a freakin brain on a roomba!
Vault 31 probably has a janitorial team assigned to cleanups this probably wasn't the first time
@@TheVoltdenatsu well it needs to be a robot team, since Bud said he's the only one awake in Vault 31.
@@Diorm and Betty Pearson, since she's also aware of the vaults mission
@@TheVoltdenatsu true, but I don't see her going to vault 32 when everybody is sleeping to do all the cleaning
It can reactivate the people from sleep, then they go back? Or Enclave people came?
If the Prydwen actually is in this show, that would mean we have a canonical ending to both Fallout New Vegas and 4 as a result of this show lol
It either has to be BoS or Minutemen.
My bets on the Latter.
@@Ulqui_210minutemen are not a threat to bos, elder maxson likely would prefer their existence since they serve to have settlements and supplies while they provide protection. In fact unless the sole survivor sided with raiders the minutemen more than likely spread to the castle.
@@Ulqui_210 If Maxson achieved victory in Boston, they will have so much tech that make Brotherhood even stronger. The way cleric said how Brotherhood became weak makes me suspect Maxson & Prydwen might have perished. The airship we saw might be a new one. I am biased because I am also Minutemen fan boy. I'm so invested i want the scouts triumph over Brotherhood & Institute.
The chalkboard doesn't say 2277 fall of NCR, it says fall of Shady Sands, which at some point is no longer the capitol of NCR (there is a billboard that Lucy see which says Shady Sands is the first capitol of NCR). One could assume that 2277 is the date at which the NCR moved the capitol, probably to the Boneyard, hence the "fall" and decline of Shady Sands. At least that is what I made of of the whole thing.
Suprised Ox didn't comment about the Tops Casino CryoSuites on the billboard at the end of the show
I believe it was clarified that Caswennan is the Welsh name for Prydwen, or something along those lines. In Arthurian legend, they are both names for the same vessel.
Imagine the cast stumbling across a body in quarry junction with a platinum chip in his/her hand.
That implies that courier 5 died which did not happen, just like new vegas being destroyed is not canon.
You want the Courier to be killed off? Damn thats messed up
Theory about muldavor and the raiders.
I think she knew she would need muscle that was willing to kill a LOT of people. but also didnt care too much for the raiders afterwards. I think that she didnt tell them they were going to blow up the door and leave, and instead told them they were staying in the vault. They partied and raided all night, got high, and passed out from huffing brahmen dung (jet). When the vault survivors collected themselves, they found a bunch of hungover or passed out raiders, and locked them up while they were still sleeping it off.
My prediction for season 2 is that Cooper tracks his family down to Vault 0. I know it was ejected from the cannon but it would fit perfectly into this show. Vault 0 was where data from all the other vaults was sent in order to plan the perfect new society, which is now what Vault-tec was trying to do. Cooper's wife said she was trying to get them into a monitoring vault, which is exactly what Vault 0 is.
Cooper's daughter could be in cryostasis in there along with the Vault-tec higher ups and maybe his wife is one of those brains hooked up to the Calculator.
So, listening to the vault tec meeting, a phrase caught my attention. One I've not seen people talk about that much. I believe it's Coop's wife, which refers to the 'Great Game'. Means of gaining longevity, a competition to do so, before rolling into suggesting the vault experiments. It's not the first time we've heard of the great game, as it was described in fallout 3 point lookout, and i believe briefly mentioned in both new vegas and 4's nuka world. A competition to outlast the end of the world and destroy those others playing the game. I suspect Desmond, Dr. Calvert and John-Caleb Bradberton were among the other members of the meeting in the shadows, and this was the seed that began their game. Given we know house was a player aswell. Or at least thats how I read into it. I did find it odd Nuka Cola, who are, at the time of the meet, I beleive the second largest company in the americas, were not present. I could see the arguement they are not a tech giant or research house, but they were, developing super weapons for the military, and having some of the most brilliant scientists on their payroll. What do you think?
On the part about Coop’s family, yes Vault-Tec had nukes, and yes we see several undetonated Vault-Tec nukes, but I find it highly unlikely Vault-Tec dropped the bombs first. There are several unfinished vaults we can find in the games, and it seems they were at least somewhat caught off guard. It would not surprise me if Vault-Tec dropped their own bombs in an effort to absolutely make sure the surface would be wiped clean of all competition.
Funny thing about the water chip is that it's mentioned before the resettlement of vault 32 and yet no one thought to take their water chip. I think the writers forgot about it.
You’re wrong about ghouls, they do have an increased healing ability. The reason Cooper had to stick his finger was to aid with the regeneration of it, it will eventually reattach to his hand and completely heal
I think it's pretty apparent that is the Prydwen we see. Quintus mentions the highest clerics in the Commonwealth giving them their mission, and that mission came in right as the airship arrived. My take is Maxson or whoever is in charge sent the Prydwen and a good number of knights and vertibirds over once they heard about the cold fusion tech. Afterall the Prydwen would have no reason to stick around in Boston ten years after the Institute was defeated. It's an airship built for offensive campaigns.
I haven't confirmed by actually checking, but I've seen pics online with the letters Prydwen clearly painted on the airship in the show. If not just some extraordinarily sloppy and lazy CGI work by borrowing from the Fallout 4 game, then perhaps it was intended originally to be the Prydwen and they changed the story after the work was already done. Hopefully a clever writer will fix this in S2. bwahaha! I can't believe I said that with a straight face.
@@texasman1836 it's not a reuse of assets because the text is different between fallout 4 and the show
Unusual but not unheard of: sometimes ships get renamed. I know they take pride in their history, but if something happened they want to deny, not in their liking maybe that's why they renamed the Prydwen. Maybe new leader wanted to use the rename as a clear signal to everyone new times, new leader.
@@MolnarG007 which would be interesting if it later turns out that the boston brotherhood mission were destroyed by the minutemen or the railroad, or the institute. the renaming of the prydwen from what it was originally could be a byproduct of the desire to save face. like the brotherhood going "Uhh... No... No... the prydwyn didn't get blown up by savages... it just... um... went to aid our brothers out west... yeah..." combined with maybe a cover story of the fate of Maxon to keep up moral and we suddenly have an conspiracy that maximus can potentially uncover. that the brotherhood is itself falling apart from within. the revelation that the prydwen name was painted over the ship known as the caswynon would be damaging to the elders of the brotherhood as the fate of the Prydwyn would have been an INTENSELY sour spot for them. such a treasure trove of artifacts and prewar assets... lost... because of a sole survivor of a prewar vault.
It's possibly an Enterprise situation @@MolnarG007
The ghouls wife had to be part of the reason he turned into a ghoul. He clearly met back up with his wife after the bombs. As he believes his daughter is with her.
I think the ghoul is a lab rat ghoul, not quite the same as an ordinary ghoul. More of a Harold type of "ghoul".
Makes sense on how he can regenerate and looks “cleaner” then most ghouls we see
Moldavia*not sure i spelled that right* could be a clone to get her to 2296. More likely she was on ice though. Maybe she mastered the tech to make a perfectly human looking ghoul, though i doubt that. Maybe she was close developing it before, one of the companies she worked for was bought out by vault tec. Then perfected it in her own. Again its doubtful, but it would explain the serum the ghoul needs to consume to some degree. Maybe she tried to use the serum on Lucy's mom but she just went feral. So much to speculate on.
@@argontreper8524 Moldaver called herself Miss Williams before the war. Perhaps her real name is Cabot. As in Lorenzo Cabot.
@@texasman1836 hadn't thought about that, could be though.
@@texasman1836 ....nonononon o NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
WE ARE NOT DOING LVOECRAFT THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT!
in all seriousness. I had a goodl augh. Cheers.
I thought about the timeline problem and think i might be on to something. 2277 might have been when Maximums and Lucy were born. 4 years later, her little brother is born and the mom takes the kids and moves to Shady Sands. Dad's like, oh hell no, goes and gets the kids and is like, let's blow this popsicle stand. Maximus survives and as far as he's concerned, the bombs dropped when he was a kid. They wrote 2277 in the classroom because that's probably when they had a run in with Hank and he threatened them.
Pretty neat video covering some things that are hard to make sense of. Personally, I think Wilzig is secretly biggest mystery in the entire show, when you think about it. Because, just ask yourself this, are Wilzig finishing cold fusion reactor and Moldaver kidnapping Hank related events? Both of these actions directly lead to the completion of Moldaver's project, however, there's a significant gap in their relationship (we can assume that Wilzig is probably Vault Tec scientist adopted by Enclave because he talked about cyanide pills as if he was in the room when they were created, while Moldaver was specifically anti-Vault Tec), there's a gap in timing (there's no realistic way for Moldaver to discover that Wilzig had escaped unless he contacted her himself, which, again, needs and explanation on why or how he would that) and there's a gap in motivation (why would Wilzig trust Moldaver with cold fusion reactor, if anything, wouldn't his fellow scientists be ecstatic about him finishing pre-war technology, I am just saying that from the point of view of viewers who don't know what Enclave is, why would general audience assume he doesn't want Enclave to get their hands on technology and why is Moldaver better?). Honestly it makes no sense for Moldaver to go after Hank suppose it was motivated by Wilzig's escape, Hank (or any other potential Bud's Bud) is pretty secured in Vault 33 for her convenience, she should've secured Wilzig first herself. But if she didn't know Wilzig finished the cold fusion mcguffin, then why would she infiltrate Vaults 32 and 33? This is a hole I can't possibly imagine they can plug.
I like how they make the BOS seem like more of a cult. What is confusing though is the BOS seeming to be this immense military power house with plenty of weapons, numbers and flying ships??? We all know that the very small groups of them scattered around the nation had limited amounts of weapons, power armor, no access to flight and most of them could not even contact each other. A lot of the small groups that were left have been completely wiped out or close. It's also weird how the interconnected vaults had no communication for so long. They each had a different main crop and were supposed to be helping each other but yet no one knew for 2 years that 32 was wiped out, there was no food and no word from them? We can assume concoctions like FEV can be ingested. Dipping would ensure quicker results since there is no need for the serum to have to pass through the digestive process and the circulatory system first. I do find it odd that injuries heal instantly and he seems immortal. Neither ghouls or super mutants are immortal. They can absolutely be killed with a shot through the neck. The immortality factor of the ghoul in the show is out of place and concerning to me. The other concerning factor is that ridiculous serum the ghoul needs to take regularly to keep from turning feral. I like seeing the Enclave and the NCR still being part of the world. It's nice to have many different varieties of factions.
I think they were receiving reinforcements and resources from the East Coast, hence the appearance of the Pwryden
About the Brotherhood..... haven't you played Fallout 4? Or at least heard of it? If not, then just be assured, that airship is in the game.
And going by the events established here, the canonical ending could be one in which the Brotherhood won. They already have the Capital Wasteland under control (see Fallout 3) and now Boston too.
@@HenningGu I've played all the games. The Prydwen is on the other side of the country. The canonical ending to what? NV? Not possible. The BOS does not have the numbers for anything like that. They can barely manage small groups and a lot of the groups that are in existence have completely different goals. The group in 3 didn't give a rats ass about tech and were focused on helping people of the wasteland. It was another small chapter of them and after the big fight with Liberty Prime they lost a lot more. The ONLY group that had large numbers and anything under control was the NCR.
The "Fall" of Shady Sands isn't bad wording, the Fall of the Roman Empire was also described by the few Emperors that followed and let the Empire collapse after their golden age, it's just genius wordplay which most don't understand.
100%. Empires don't fall overnight and like Rome, there is more than one contributing factor.
yeah exactly! Just like someone falling down it doesn't happen instantaneously, it's a gradually decline till you hit the floor. Like the fall of shady sands meaning it slowing started declining before it was nuked by Kyle MacLachlan.
It's also been teased/foreshadowed heavily in New Vegas by certain characters like Ulysses and House that the NCR is headed in a path where they'll end up with the same fate as their old world predecessors that they try so hard to imitate
I just hope we see it happen in season 2 tbh like how we saw parts of pre-war America getting nuked, I'm a bit mad that we only got to see the aftermath of Shady Sands being nuked not right when it happens
Otherwise, no issue with it as it's thematically fitting so props to the showmakers!
Yeah that's what I was thinking, it's not a mistake. People are just not thinking very much about it and just reacting.
@@malif1279 It's not too late to see a flashback of Shady Sands getting nuked
The raiders being imprisoned by the 33-ers might've been those that Lucy had tranq'ed since she didn't kill anyone using bullets.
can't believe he missed this
3:05 Ghouls CAN grow back body parts AND can heal themselves, they just need an obscene amount of radiation. They call the feeling of getting rads "soothing", and explains why a Glowing One is always accompanied by others, and why the blast will heal their HP in Fallout 3. Usually, this can turn a ghoul feral though.
Ox, you should play a role in the show, smoke a cigar that was mentioned in fallout 4. "I know the history. I know the story. How it moves forward? That is a different story for a different time." And sip a wiskey. "Consider me a historian, with a sense of things foward."
A Ron Perlman cameo would be neat. They'll have to adress New Vegas in a good way, would be neat if they called on Obsidian's writers to help. The nod to Interplay in the Vault-Tec ad seems to imply to me that they are respectful of all the devs, it would be a good way to help debunk some of the criticisms.
Agreed, Ox brings up the fact that they really borked up the history of Shady Sands with that blackboard scene. It may well be correct but it's not clear at all and it caused a lot of people (myself included, I have to raise my hand here) to screech about retconning the lore. Intentional or not, they're trying to keep the lore central in the show, so here's hoping they do it right. Ron Pearlman would be a coup, for sure. They also really need to do NV right here. A mistake, or intentional borking of the lore here will get everyone screeching again. (Likely myself included as I do love FO NV).
He will be perfect as a supermutant!
@@3dfreak2000 I was thinking he'd be perfect as someone running one of the casinos in New Vegas. Of course, that's also me thinking his character from Pacific Rim would make a great, shady casino owner following the nuclear apocalypse.
@stevenread1676 they could do justice to NV with a 9 out of 10 show and there will always been NV fans that will hate it because it's Bethesda
Sure want to see Kris Kristofferson too, as the body (oh poor Kris, what a "role to play") of Chief Hanlon. Maybe with some holotape of that iconic voice. Such a haunting voice performance in NV.
Imagine the courier getting a cameo in the fallout TV show season 2
I think people are reading too much into what Todd Howard said. He didn't say Shady Sands wasn't destroyed in 2277; he said New Vegas is cannon and the "bombs fell" after New Vegas, but there is some "confusion" and they had to "tighten" things around this. He seemed to be very carefully choosing his words as well. I think they mixed up the date with First Battle of Hoover Dam and it was too late to change it, so they are effectively retconning the date of New Vegas to 2277, which has no impact on the timeline since nothing else has canonically happened between 2277 and 2281. Fallout has played loose with dates and times before (like what time did the Great War bombs actually fall?), so it is neither a lore-breaking retcon to push New Vegas back a few years, nor is it inconsistent with how the games themselves don't stick doggedly to established cannon.
There are numerous references throughout the show to 2277 specifically, and ages that match up to that year as being when Shady Sands ended. Here are a few:
- The records Norman pulled up showed Hank transferred from Vault 31 in 2271. Hank said he came to Vault 33 to marry Lucy's mother. The purported point of the vault exchanges was breading, so presumably Rose got pregnant not long after Hank transferred, otherwise there would have been some concerns. Lucy says she thought the sun in the vault was real until she was 6, and showed the same flashback we later see is actually Shady Sands. If she were born in 2271, then she stopped believing the sun was real in 2277.
- If Lucy was born in 2271, she would be 25 at the time of the show. The actress was 25 when she was filming the show. Lucy also presents her SPECIAL stats which shows she has had a lot of responsibilities and activities in the vault, including teaching, but says nothing of her grades or anything else to indicate she recently graduated herself. She also seems frustrated with being unable to find a husband, which makes her seem a older than late-teens/early twenties.
- Lucy's brother Norman is younger than her and has already worked, and been fired from, every job in the vault, implying he is at least a few years out of school-aged. If he is in his early 20s, Lucy should be mid-20s. The actor is currently 30, but I think he can easily pull off being early 20s.
- I'll skip Maximus because a lot of people apparently think the 35-year-old actor who plays him looks 19 somehow, so we can just agree to disagree on that.
- Lucy says there was a famine in the vault in 2277, that everyone was quarantined, and that her mother died because of it. That seems like an obvious cover for when Rose would have left the vault with Lucy and Norman, and Hank would have gone after them. The guy with the mustache says he ran for overseer once, but lost to Hank when the famine struck, so it's highly unlikely Hank snuck out again 4-plus years later to nuke Shady Sands and no one noticed the overseer was missing.
- The end credits of Episode 5 (the same episode where we see the Shady Sands Library sign) shows a library book with stamped due dates, with the last date being "Nov 2276" (also, the first due date was "Feb 2189", the year the NCR was formed, which implies the dates aren't just random).
-Vault 4 dweller, and Shady Sands survivor, Birdie says she was 11 when Shady Sands was destroyed. The actress is currently 47, but it looks like they tried to age her down a bit with her hairstyle and I think she could plausibly pass for being ~30, which would mean she was 11 in 2277, but there's no way she could pass for being 26 or younger to fit a 2281 or later date.
- I don't want to keep jumping on the chalkboard, but in Episode 1 there is a shot of Lucy teaching "Our American History" on a vault whiteboard, noting the years: 1776 with a drawing of the Declaration of Independence, 1969 with a drawing of the 13-Commonwealth star pattern seen on pre-war flags, and 2077 with a drawing of a mushroom cloud almost identical to the later chalkboard drawing. This is an obvious symmetrical reference and, notably, there is nothing on the whiteboard about any decline in America, even though the start of the Resource Wars would have been the perfect "decline" to include, and the actual year the bombs fell is used. Lucy's timeline also connects each year with just a line (as is typical in a timeline), but the Vault 4 chalkboard uses an arrow to point to the mushroom cloud after the "fall"/2277 reference.
I think they liked the symmetry of the Great War bombs being 2077 and the bomb destroying Shady Sands exactly 200 years later. I have seen people mix up the date of New Vegas as being in 2277 because of the First Battle of Hoover Dam instead of the actual date the game is set in, so it is perfectly plausible they thought they had the perfect date and everything lined up, until it was too late to change all the things I note above. Neither the chalkboard nor Todd Howard has said the year Shady Sands was destroyed if it wasn't 2277, which would be super easy for them to do unless it is somehow a huge spoiler for Season 2.
Long story short, they put way too much effort into indicating Shady Sands blew up in 2277, they've never given an alternative year, and Todd has been coy about what the chalkboard meant. It is a whole lot easier to just accept that New Vegas was retconned to be in 2277 than to come up with elaborate explanations for why everything I note above doesn't mean that was the year Shady Sands was destroyed. And, what's funny about the whole year argument is it has distracted people from talking about the significant blow the show deals to the NCR as supposedly the most powerful faction in Fallout.
Ghouls do have Regen from Rads.
Awesome video Ox! The main two things I’m excited for is more pre-war flashbacks with Cooper Howard and Learning about the fate of New Vegas. I’m curious to see which is the canon ending for the game. I think they will go with the NCR but the writers might have Mr. House survive the couriers decision. Maybe House had back up power in his machine to stay alive. Plus it would be cool to see flashbacks showing the fall of Vegas.
See, I don't think it's much of a mystery how the Raiders in 33 got captured. Lucy has shown how incredibly competent she is (martial arts, fencing, shooting etc). Presumably the whole vault is fit, competent, no injuries, not irradiated etc. Once they were no longer surprised, they took back the advantage. Remember when the raider with the cake on his face was about to shoot Lucy, a random vault dweller kicked the gun out of his hand and took him on.
Regarding Moldaver, I think there are a few of the clues that may point that she was kept in Vault 4. They seem to be worshipping Moldaver as "The Flame Mother," whatever that means, and it might mean that she was key to freeing the vault from the experiments. I don't particularly like this as the explanation, but they did show that...
When are we getting the vault 4 video? I’m excited for it!
I’m no Oxhorn, but what’s the possibility of Moldaver being Free States? Even Wilzig. Sorta working behind the scenes, working people into places like the NCR and the enclave over time.
Free States only appear in Fallout 76, which takes place in Appalachia a mere 25 years after the bombs dropped.
They haven't been mentioned at all in Fallout 1, 2, 3, 4, or New Vegas... meaning that the Free States most likely did not survive the 200 years needed, or if they did they never spread out of Appalachia. Given that the Free States are anarchists their guiding ideology would really prevent them organizing enough to be a major player on the national stage.
@@alexjgilpin I think cold fusion, a completely free and limitless source of power, is absolutely an anarchist move, don’t you think?
It might not be a Free States faction, but I think they’re indicating towards there being many people such as government reps who disagreed with Vault Tecs involvement with the government.
76 is the lastest game, and they’re now exploring and expanding their lore in that game and the show. We see a very extreme end of capitalism, and usually when you see extremism on one end, you will likely see extremism from the other end. And I think they’re trying to delve into that. They’re looking at how Vault Tec got their support, where they got their money, where they got the technology. But also in the meeting during the show, they touch on (but don’t go into) the various companies and their rival competitors. Who was Vault Tecs competition? What exactly is their plan after the bombs dropped? Selling residence in a vault is all good and well, a safe place in a wasteland, but where’s the growth? We don’t yet see evidence or them preserving mining technology for resources for growth. Not to say that we won’t see that they have, because having the monopoly on the only completely safe living facilities, and start offering spaces for lease as well as buy would be a good plan.
I’m getting sidetracked, but given Moldavia did mention all the companies she work got bought out, I think at the very least she had frozen herself. I’m not sure about there being enough organisation and cooperation for there to be numerous free bunkers/vaults. Though there are quite a few people in the wasteland who did not turn into ghouls, have had children, and were not from vault tec vaults…
"The fall of Shady Sands" is not the bombing its just the decline
The most probable answer to the fall of the NCR is lonesome road, as it’s canonical that all DLCs in New Vegas happened
Holy cow, people really don’t know how timelines work, the fall of western Rome didn’t take a day, or a year, it took several years. The use of the word Fall is not a mistake silly, so stoked for the next season!
Thanks for te likes and comments!
Except Shady Sands is a small town, not a vast empire.
To ox I quote" they should of used Decline instead of fall"
Like decline doesn't mean the fall of something 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭🤦🤦🤦
@@sternencolonel7328once again, learn to read a chalkboard correctly
Why didn't they just date the nuke lol
@@sternencolonel7328 Creators and producers of the show confirmed the bomb fell after the events of New Vegas in either 2281 or 2282. The fall of Shady Sands and the nuke were separate events.
I do think the chalkboard was poorly conveying this though
- has a heartbreak over Firefly -
Yeah, that still hurts me as well after all those years.
At least they got to make a movie to bring the story full circle.
I think Moldaver has been alive all this time by cloning herself and transferring her memories over the centuries. It could be a cool way to introduce the clones and would make sense that she wouldn’t take shelter in a vault because she didn’t support Vault-Tec’s ideals. With that in mind she could return in the form of her younger or older self in the form of a clone.
My theory of Moldaver: Buds Buds wasn't just for vault tec management and he never revealed his true intentions to everyone. Maybe Moldaver was part of his plan and was frozen too and she betrayed the vaults to better the wastes. Maybe the experiment of the 3 vaults wasn't "what if management was always in control and management breeding" but was making sure the management always came out on top in or out of the vaults. Definitely hope season 2 elaborates and everything stays canonical. Also 🤞 many more seasons
I have an explanation as for why the NCR’s Forces in the Show looked so worse for wear, with rags and incomplete combat armor pieces and no proper Uniforms, Unique Armor, or Power Armor, or Rangers… the guys at Griffith Observatory are New. They are actually random Wastelanders Moldaver made believe in the NCR! They didn’t have proper NCR armor or equipment because they’ve never met them! They just had some Flags they scavenged, probably from Shady Sands Outskirts. They are more like the Minutemen, a civilian Militia trying to emulate the Legends of the past rather than an official standard army. However, with the death of Moldaver, i think the Vault 4 Dwellers may turn her into a Martyer, and maybe declare Vault 4 as a new NCR City! Before they knew Moldaver was dead, they were probably too concerned with preserving their safety and security, but after her death, they may feel motivated to take a stand!
How about that Shady Sands was abandoned by the NCR when Moldaver took over and only the cultists that were members of the NCR stayed?
I believe that further in the lore we will see a BoS civil war
@Oxhorn 21:10 Vault Security Exist in Vault 33, we Don't see it Often, but if you look at the scene where Chet accidently bisects a raider with a door. The dudes helping him is wearing a Gaurd outfit which means theyd have bullet proof/resist people for a charge.
I don’t really like how the Show implied that the Enclave was “subservient” to Vault Tec, saying pre-war that the US gov was “broke as a joke” and Vault Tec has all the power blah blah… The Creator of the TV Shows favorite Game was Fallout 3, which gives me hope of a future Enclave importance… There is evidence to suggest that during the Sino-American War, the Moon Race was an Armed Conflict. The War Memorial depicts a Astronaut with a Laser Pistol on the Moon, and the Plaque also describes a “Battle on the Sea of Tranquility” that phrase is often used to describe the Lunar Surface. There’s much more evidence for this, as there’s also a Magazine depicting a Soldier wearing a cool type of Space-Worthy Mech Suit with a caption *“US ARMY GOES TO SPACE”* with a Rocket Ship in the Background. And recently and most interestingly, Fallout 76 got a new *“Enclave Space Power Armor”* easy microtransaction bait or an implication that there’s an Enclave Base on the Moon? Ironically, this would fit with the original Van Buren Lore for the Enclave, with them having a Space Station Orbiting Earth and a long-term plan to Colonize new Worlds unspoiled by War and Radiation.
*This is how the Enclave can return.*
Your idea is also somewhat based in semi-canon lore too. In the canceled Fallout 3 by Interplay codenamed Van Buren, the Enclave were trying to build a spaceship to escape earth
Well considering we see the main antagonist book it to New Vegas at the end of the first season, it's pretty easy to guess where the second season is going to take place.
The Commonwealth?
Of course. Boston.
@@fizz_time7003no, actually it takes place in London and they’re running out of biscuits
They need to rectify the issue with Shady Sands location, its lore breaking.
The only way to reconcile it is to make it a new town that the inhabitants named Shady Sands as a tribute to that capital (which had been renamed NCR by the time of Fallout 2).
I think vault tech planned on dropping their own bombs but P.a.m. faked the first bomb warning which set off the chain of bombs being dropped. Which would explain why vault tech was caught with their pants down and had several unfinished vaults. But the series is going to wait until they reach the Mass. Commonwealth to actually reveal it was P.A.M., in season 3, and I think there's going to be at least a few synths in season 3, and a possible resurgence of the institute.
I still kinda think the ghoul medicine is rad away. When cooper is first retrieved from his coffin he’s getting it in an IV drip, in its IV bag it REALLY looks like radaway and I can see how it’s an elaborated featured of the in game item
I always thought it was radaway as well