how the tf2 classes and gameplay were designed so well
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*Summary*
Scout, Sniper, Soldier, Medic, Demo: OG
Heavy: Cool movie
Pyro: Anti-lag countermeasure
Spy: "Cool bug, put it in"
Engi: Fight without fighting
Bruce Lee: Be engineer, my friend
_from distance you can hear the sound of buildings being upgraded at inhuman speed_
@@tappajaav And then you hear a zapping noise, followed with millions of other zapping noises in the distance. It was an absolute massacre.
Ooh yeah.
Civilian: so ur telling me theres a chance?
Negative. *dies*
"heavy was also added because they saw a cool movie"
caution, professionals at work
professionalism is toxic
thats how most of doom's ideas came to be
@@cheatsykoopa98 doom is a 99% single player game, you pretty much can't go wrong with those
the demons are not gonna complain about your minigun, your homing rocket launcher, your chainsaw instakills, cause they're not living breathing humans with feelings and a sense of "that's bullshit".
@@the_Red_Star ok but the devs can take inspiration and then balance them. heavy has good medium to close range firepower but he completely lacks in speed and anyone far away can either fight from a distance or just run away
@@the_Red_Star you propably tried to use more iq than u have.
BECAUSE doom is single, they could see a cool movie and decide to add a part to it, as there's no pvp balance.
Assuming nobody was going to work together was a smart move xD
Overwatch has the opposite approach and this is probably why the game doesn't give me those satisfying 'carrying' moments
Hey Toofty, big fan here. Didn't know that you watched Shounic...
Yah Overwatch is a game where there is a constant heavy reliance on your team. This means that when you are going to be paired with a bunch of randoms, there is a good chance things won’t go well. The fact that each team only has 6 players only makes it worse since even one bad player can be a heavy burden on your team.
Imagine making a game with team in the name and then proceed to make it centered around the fact that its players don't want to cooperate with each other. madlads.
Was thinking the same damn thing. So many people playing Support just because the game demands.
I *think* Overwatch compensates with one button win ults that can allow you to carry a fight. Though, that's the only situation I can think of where you are likely to backpack mode a whole team. There's a lot of differences between the games that make solo play in TF2 far more entertaining. TF2, for one, has less hardline rock paper scissor based classes. There are definitely some weaker combat classes, but it's not as drastic as Overwatch. Also there are less absolute mechanics in TF2 (less instakills, stuns, invulnerability etc). In general, you feel helpless in Overwatch far more often than in TF2, which I guess is exactly what you said in a more succinct way. :)
Imagine designing your game around players and individual enjoyment. Imagine your game design choices being made by game designers.
Please don't make me any more depressed.
What's the problem with that? If I don't enjoy a game as an individual I ain't gonna play it, and I don't expect anyone else would if they felt the same.
@@zak9399 I'm implying the exact opposite of what you're thinking. Many game choices nowadays are not made by developers. They are made by the people who want to milk as much money as possible regardless of the cost of the enjoyment of the game.
《 Zak 》 How did you manage to get the exact opposite meaning of this comment?
It can be interpret as negative comment.
"Multiplayer Singleplayer game"
thats the most introverted thing ive heard all day
^
^
I am the main character
you are all side characters in MY story.
Welcome to Titanfall 1
Have you played any MMOs?
@@GiRR007 this is MY world, you are NOT WELCOME in MY WORLD
I always wondered why TF2 felt like you could do your own thing without fear of losing the match.
TF2 feels like some sort of open world where the life exists without you. 24 people with their own complex mini-adventures each spawn.
Singleplayer-multiplayer game
@@AmelpsXettUp until you hear "mission ends in thirty seconds" and all these adventurers come together for yet another final showdown.
"The entire team was an ass and we won't be working with them again."
Does someone care to provide some context to that quote?
Gaben was in a team with 4 spies and 3 snipers and a battle medic
Gaben announcer pack for Dota 2.
it happens when there is a team wipe.
@@gegethedog note that the "is an ass and we won't be working with it again" comes from gaben himself, he made a statement on a dota 2 caster 2GD after the latter went a little bit overboard with some jokes at an event in china
Any reason why he keeps putting gaben quotes at the end of videos? This isn’t the first time
@@eccentricjoe8786 gaben is the Lord
Pyro was made to help laggy players?
So THAT explains why fire hitboxes used to be bigger when your connection was worse
Wait, was that really the case? :o
@@ThePC007 It was in the past, yes. I believe it was jungle inferno that patched it out, fixing the janky fire hitboxes.
Pyro kinda evolved past being a crutch class anyways
@@meyes5671 I mean, it still is if you don't use the newer weapons.
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Every class/character based game needs a crutch character. The only problem with crutch characters is when they don't fall off at higher skill levels, which thankfully Pyro kinda does.
@@arstulex honestly my favorite thing as pyro is cross map flares. So satisfying.
It warms my heart to know our cute little Pyro mann was always actually about WM1 and hoping for the best, even if it's not neccesarily about skill.
something we all knew deep down. now if only reddit would accept this instead of denying what pyro is... or worse, asking for buffs.
@@the_Red_Star Not saying I disagree, but there's a pretty big difference between OG Pyro and current TF2 Pyro, namely airblasting and class loadouts.
Still, I don't think the Pyro should ever be removed or anything, because I do not see Team Fortress as a competitive game, even though it can be played that way.
And pyro mains will still whine when you call them shit for this reason
@@yoloRetardSwag you call them shit because you keep dying from them, get good instead of blaming a class mate
@@yoloRetardSwag gee I wonder why did you call them shit, oh wait you got salty cuz you don't have enough braincells to counter a phlog with BB or Vacc
Holy shit, so those Pyros that rubberband all over the map are the truest forms of Pyro
I like the fact that there are only 9 classes. Having 4-5 characters that all do the same thing slightly differently is a chore to keep track of. Simply having the class capable of changing loadouts to match the style/approach the player desires is better than trying to introduce a whole new character to solve this problem, and even better is having the ability to change these loadouts anytime you please, instead of waiting until your character dies or until the game ends.
Well, loadouts can only be changed when touching the resupply lockers.
@@lev7509 shhhh
having 9 characters who have extremely specific purposes that only they can do makes things so much simpler and streamlined
In TF2 it is meticulously done that if you are a good enough player, you can carry your team to victory. Be you a sticky-spamming demoman, a competitive soldier, a professional medic surrounded by first time players or even a gibus spy with dead ringer/cloak&dagger on the last stage of goldrush, pushing the cart to victory, for the enemy team was too busy spawncamping your team. This is why TF2 works so well.
Man just imagine your team doing well and all then a fucking God sniper joins the other team and just fucks your team's ass yeah That's sad.
uuuh no i completely disagree.
if you systematically carry the game alone that's cause the opposition is simply incompetent. even the best players by themselves are easily shutted down with the right cheesy strats, which are plentiful and don't require any elaborate coordination. the fact übers are necessary to make pushes through chokepoints bearable just shows that even in chaotic pubs (which is like the most basic tf2 gameplay ever) you won't do much alone and get steamrolled if your teammates don't keep up.
where i get you tho is that the game's skill-based aspect is indeed spot-on enough to be called great.
@@MetalX34 There are games I've played where I've been good enough to slow down the enemy team rolling us after joining the server quite late. Once the team had a bit more breathing space, the rest of the players were better able to play their part and we'd end up reversing the momentum against a team that maybe got a bit complacent. So yeah, you do still need at least a handful of players in your team playing their part to pull off a win, but it's also true that a player can singlehandedly change the game.
@@sahanavic7841 making a decisive play at a moment or another isn't the same as carrying tho.
you created an opportunity and your teammates took it, then they played their parts. in other words, you weren't alone except at the very start.
point being that if tf2 excels as a skill-based game on an individual scale, we shouldn't blow things out of proportions. a lot of interactions in this game are skewed even in the context of a teamfight, so imagine if you gotta do it by yourself. you can make epic and influential plays but hell from my experience that's not particularly inherent to tf2 in the slightest.
a good enough player can't always carry a team all the way to victory. BUT a good enough player always gets to have fun and kill shit, whether he wins or loses.
and that's good enough.
Now, if everyone was a field of rice, we would all be burnt down by someone with a lighter.
or eaten by sparrows and other pests
Or napalmed.
That's why people say the pyro is the most overpowered class in the game.
*cough * PYRO *cough *
that's why pyro ransacks casual
Games designed organically by the people who played and knew them best.
It was fun while it lasted.
God I miss it so much
Hollow Knight, Celeste, Darkwood...
Just go play indie games.
man...
@@crimsonlanceman7882 Dishonored, Prey, DOOM 4... Well, just ID and Arkane in general. They're awesome.
They aren't at the forefront as much anymore but they still exist.
one thing i love about tf2 is the pure chaos that comes with it. big matches with player that know and don't know what is going on. Level skill can be anywhere and you can pull off mamy different things in many maps. Micspammers here, people who are chatting there, friendlies the other side and tryhards the opposite way. Bunch of random crits or pumpkins anywhere. the ability to fly with some class and do crazy shit or other amazing things that doesn't necessarily mean you have to fly like trickstabbing, airshots, hitting as pyro the degreaser detonator axe combo, blowing 3 people up with the caber, stunning an enemy the otherside of the map with the sandman and killing him with the flying guillotine (good times), remember the taunt kills compilation that some dudes liked to upload? jumping around and creating teleporters in strange places. also some bugs and glitches even if game breaking were fun in a way.
so this is trying to explain the pure chaos i meant and i find myself comfortable usually in trade servers messing around with no objective, halloween maps and especially mann power maps with grapples and power ups enhance that chaos pretty well.
IMHO trade servers are edgy.
Perfect comment
the "singleplayer-multiplayer" concept explains why as an introvert I really enjoy playing TF2 and think to myself that I'm contributing a lot to the team even if I'm not talking with them
That's also how some MMORPGs are designed, to have many people in the world while you can do your own things
One thing I liked about TF2’s design was that, while teamwork was a big focus, they didn’t focus on it *way* too much
Most classes work well on their own, and does a nice job of fighting solo, so if a few of your teammates suck, it doesn’t ruin the entire team, but if there was too much of a focus on teamwork, those few people who don’t know what the hell to do will screw the whole team over because they won’t do their job right
But at the same time, teamwork can add this extra layer of strength to the team that could give you an advantage over an uncoordinated team
It struck this perfect balance, where you don’t *require* teamwork, so there’s no over reliance on other people, but it’s still better than going full-on Rambo on the entire team, so there’s this big level of depth in the combat
Instead of jumping in solo like a one-man army, get the scouts, soldiers, pyros and demos to attack, get the heavies to draw their fire, get the spies and snipers to kill important targets, and get the engineers and medics to really reinforce the entire siege
That’s something that I thought made the game special
hilarious that the pyro was originally created because it made hitreg *easier*
"I'm sure it's far from perfect" talking about one of the most satisfying things to achive as medic and what makes the class so fun to play...
The only thing as fun as pushing to victory as a medic by ubering someone is being that person who is ubered.
I've got 0.5 second delay on my satellite internet and in my 10 hours of tf2 I played pyro, it worked as originally intended.
This makes me appreciate TF2 much more
True ogs remember when this was privated
i.imgur.com/BPXjoaE.png i just had to restore his bald glory :'(
Its fine
@@shounic lmao
my dad told me about him playing quake and team fortress so I got him playing tf2 and he had a lot of fun
man, hearing shit like this really just makes me smile. thank you.
@@pineappleplaguedoc :)
was he good
@@cosmiceyness idk lol
This is such a pure comment, just...take my like already
You know, it’s nice how much effort they put into making sure everyone was happy.
5:01 That heavy's playing call of duty in tf2, that spy's playing MGS in tf2, that medic's playing WoW in tf2, you're playing bloons tower defense in tf2, and it all comes together to make the real TF2 experience
This video is well made and I am commenting so the algorithm picks it up.
Same
i agree
Drive those interaction stats up
I agree
For the algorithm
I thought this was going be a shitpost of high caliber from that thumbnail and title, but in the end, it was a really informational video with lots of cool graphics. Look at those 3D models on the screen, moving around so smoothly, so nice!
Scout, Sniper, Soldier, Demo, Medic: “Teamwork, except not”
Heavy: “Cool movie, put it in the game”
Pyro: “Lag bad, aim hard”
Spy: “It’s not a bug, it’s a feature”
Engie: “What if we made this FPS game more appealing to fans of Bloons Tower Defense?”
lol bloons td came out after TF1 ur so dumb xdxd
Good profile picture.
as a BTD fan, I agree with what you put for Engie.
Funniest part is they later added the engineer monkey to Bloons tower defense, based off the engineer :)
6:33 I distinctly remember Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare 1 & 2 had exactly that problem regarding their version of the teleporter. In the gamemode Gardens and Graveyards/Turf Takeover (which is essentially Garden Warfare's version of attack/defend with varying numbers of points and special objectives as the end like a payload) there would be a teleporter that spawned in one of a number of preset locations, and it would be up to a player on the attacking team to build it so their team could spawn really close to the point. Problem was, this was restricted to a single class (The Engineer in GW1 and also the Rose in GW2), so players would switch to that class, build the teleporter and switch back. It was especially bad in GW2 because the Engineer was borderline unplayable in that game and the Rose was cancer (GW2 did not live up at all to GW1). Luckily they fixed that in the third game, Battle for Neighbourville, which got rid of the teleporter system and gave reworks to a bunch of classes (mostly the GW2 classes, all of whom had some sort of major design flaw as compared to the GW1 classes).
@Jack Hudner While I have my own opinions on the latest entry, I’m glad someone out here is giving the GW series some of the attention it deserves. While I partly agree on the teleporter being a case of “someone else will do it,” building the teleporter as Engineer would give you a fair amount of coins which could accumulate into a high amount if the game continued for a long time.
The addition of the teleporter seemed to solve two issues: the painful distance between the attacker’s spawnpoint and giving attention to the flank routes. The high-priority teleporter would draw out defenders to destroy it and slow the attacker’s advance, which gave flanking a purpose and concentrated battles into areas that weren’t just the capture zones. The back and forth dynamic of building and rebuilding teleporters could distract the defenders from the actual objective, allowing the attackers to capture it while they’re away. But still, the teleporter wasn’t a perfect solution, as it left the Engineer as a class with a job and no real reward. He could make a difference if someone chose him (just like Medic), but there was little incentive for it when compared to the much more attractive combat classes.
@@TheLaurapalumbo I never played past the first game (one of my favorite TPS games), is it worth it to get back into the series?
@@elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee no. save yourself. the latest entry is just.... bah. i dont wanna explain it
PvZ GW1 also solved medic's problem:
Who will heal?
Who will rez?
Everyone could heal to half of hp and everyone could rez everyone although Sunflower/Scientist did it faster and better
Replying to a 2 years old comment is bussin. Teleportres in those games are not really that important, they just give you a slight boost at capturing the point. Engineer is honeslty a strong class on its own, and because of his mobility abilities it doesnt feel like a chour that much. Rose was nerfed
"pyro was added to help players with slow network connections"
LMFAO
Certainly explains why I noticed I trended towards Pyro while living in Sub-Saharan Africa 🌍......................🇪🇺
God that's fucking embarrassing, there is no reason to main pyro after that statement.
What???
Ironically, TFC!Pyro was revealed as female in the main TF2 comics.
@@PigGuy2301 ????
That's actually amazing
my favourite classes are engineer and pyro. I'm not really good at aiming and when I played TF2 as a kid my internet was very poor or I had fps lag, so those 2 classes became my go-to
pretty cool to know that a player like me was the intention behind those classes
5:17 - that's me getting beat to death!
I think Overwatch failed to look at these elements when they took some inspirations from TF2. Overwatch is so heavily team-based, that it's honestly ridiculous. Not only does the team need to communicate, and be in harmony with each other, but each player on the team has to act as their role (as in healers stay purely healing), and know their role (knowing how to defend as a take). The team also has to have a shot caller, because otherwise you just have a silent team who doesn't know a character is behind them wiping the team, or doesn't know their overstepping past the payload.
It's also interesting to see that every class in TF2 is practically a DPS, with the exceptions of maybe Heavy (because he seems to be more of a tank) and of course Medic. And then when you look at Overwatch, there's far less players playing both Support and Tank because they aren't designed to be as fun, but a chore that needs to help the team.
I'd say the heavy is a dps as well, he just needs to get in the face of the enemy.
I think the more fun tanks would be Roadhog and Orisa, since I tend to kill more with them over just supporting my team.
This is so true, this is the reason why toxicity grew in overwatch, its not because of the bad people who came and play overwatch, its how teamwork is so emphasized in the game
You just basically described League of Legends, Dota 2, and Overwatch.
Except medic and spy lol heavy is strongest class in 6s hes banned basicly
Every time you get the the section about how the team was balance around not being too relied upon, the problems of overwatch echo in my head. Strange how new games takes a few steps forward yet also a few steps back.
@jocaguz18 hurr Durr overwatch bad
@@elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Aww, look at the cute fanboy!
@@elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee yeah yeah we get it you think Overwatch is a perfect game with absolutely zero flaws and the toxic players just showed up one day, shut up
@@mlgiyel3021 didn't say that
@@elllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Lol you waited a year to give no contribution to the discussion, nice job.
Then everything changed when the spaghetti code attacked...
It's funny that 4 of the original 5 classes are the main comp classes.
All 5 are tbh cuz Sniper is pretty commonly played in comp
The last leg of the video about why the designed the medic the way they did gave me a whole lot more appreciation for older, chokeir maps like dustbowl. This might be a tad extreme, but I believe that 90% of the problems people have with most of the maps in the game actually stem from the players, and not the map design. Sure, there are a bunch of particular design elements that seem to repeatedly cause problems, but maybe, just maybe, players would enjoy the maps more overall if they actually worked as a team.
I mean, maps with one small choke point aren't exactly interesting to play compared to most new maps that add some extra routes.
Welp, chokepoints encourage the defending team to all go demo/soldier and spam, or engie and camp, while the defending team can go full tryhard and cooperate with 3 medics, the sheer amount of knockback will ruin their efforts. So only way it's "the fault of the player" is because the RED team doesn't suicide by all going spy/battle medic lol
Regardless of what Robin Walker said, I think they still tried to emphasize teamwork with the original maps. Look at the original 2fort, there are ZERO healthkits or ammo packs in the bases, only in the spawn rooms. This encourages people to go Medic or Engineer and help out their team as they're trying to storm the enemy fort. Just going in there as Soldier only gets you so far, because you'll run out of HP and ammo pretty quickly.
And the same goes for maps like Dustbowl, which is pretty choke-y. Then again, those maps were designed around grenades, and Sentry nests are much easier to take out with a well-timed grenade than having to get a Medic with Übercharge.
@@GermanPeter I wrote a whole essay bashing Valve's game design in this comment originally, but... Whatever, point is, grenades are good, I wish they would bring them back, and I agree with your assessment.
99% of players don't work as a team, and don't find it fun. it's a lot of work and it doesn't guarantee payoff unless all your teammates also work with _you_. it was said in the video and we all know it. that's why team reliant games are always said to have toxic fanbases, like league and overwatch.
"We fixed the need for teamwork by making a bunch of different classes that fill certain rolls and can't fulfill other rolls, needing teamwork"
Fuckin brilliant
anyone who tries to put the team back into tf2, a game that was designed around people not working together, hats off to you
mad soldier
A video to watch after I turned my essay in 30 seconds before it was due, nice
Lico5512 based
Where was the last Gabe Newell sound clip from? lmao
I think it was from Dota 2, they have an Gabe Newell announcer, and that's one the lines(or meme) that got into the bundle
It's a reference to when Gaben called James Harding an ass on reddit.
So basically, they made the classes able to survive individually so that you don't need to rely on bad teammates to win? You can be succesful on your own.
"Entire team was an ass. We won't be working with them again."
What a great window into their design philosophy.
I agree with the “they want someone else to do it” just like overwatch everyone wants and needs tanks but when given the option like in no limits you have a team of 6 dps
Everyone's been in that situation where you get an insane killstreak and don't die the entire game but then hear "you've failed!"
normal online fighting game teams: crap we have a f2p. WHAT ARE YOU DOING GO THIS WAY!
tf2: awww look at the little f2p he's making a sentry on his own!
this was really interesting and informative thanks for making this:)
One of the most menacing things to happen in TF2 is a band of 3 soldiers all with different banners charging right at you, one with a katana, one with the black box, and the other with a shotgun for their corresponding banner
Shotgun?
Are you sure about that?
*Shotguns with their corresponding banner* please read this slowly and as loud as you can. Lmao
These days its allways: "We want to make THE MOST IMMERSIVE, GROUNDBREAKING, INNOVATIVE, REWARDING, FORWARD THINKING, PLAYERFOCUSED, COMMUNIYT DRIVEN, BOOTS ON THE GROUND GAMING EXPERIENCE "
Back in those games:"You how about we recreate that cool character from the movies? Lets do it"
It's because games back then were made *by gamers*, not committee, so they would know what was actually cool and funny and interesting about a game
Really nice vid, like always buddy!
I love your infographics and every single end commentary
You’re videos are very well made, i like to listen to them
Good video. I’m intrigued to see where this channel goes
Thanks for your work shounic. Love your dry humor
your videos are really great keep it up
I remember back in Team Fortress Classic, the Medic could poison enemies with the same medkit used to heal teammates.
Great video! Thanks for uploading!
i'm new to your channel but damn, every video is a banger. +1 subbed
2:45 early version of dragon's fury
It was nice seeing the old team fortress models again. I remember servers running 2fort3 and 2fort4, and not trusting 2fort5 since 'that doesnt exist yet', good times.
Compared to 2fort5, how different were 2fort3 and 2fort4?
@@ultr4nima Oof, it was a long time ago, I think the ramp room changed a bit, and the water route got a tunnel straight into the ramp room. I don't remember 5 much, we treated it as unofficial at the time anyway. Not long after we found an extreme/ultimate mod for TF that added all sorts of mad stuff, like throwable sentries and merv-mervs that just kept exploding :P
@@Davesoft That sounds insanely interesting, I wish documentation regarding QWTF was more prevalent 'cause at the moment we only have basic information, old forgotten videos & word of mouth. Everytime I hear anything about Quake TF chances are I'll learn something completely new about it
With that, and a little bit of fairy dust, you can get a player to endure 10+ years of being queued on the team you just know will lose, for having 2 less medics and 5 more spies than the enemy team, so that they still occasionally win thanks to Pub Push Power
Oops random bullet spread & crits were added
They did a good job on balancing this game tbh and Robin Walker was pretty much on point with what he said about the classes. When I was feeling a bit lazy but still want to contribute to the team? I choose Engineer. I want to pick off important classes such as medic, highly skilled player or a stubborn engineer spot? I chose sniper. I wanna be sneaky and one hit kill classes using some intelligent game play? I use spy. I have played TF2 for more than 8 years and I still find myself coming back to this game every now and then. It's a great game and always will. I just wish they will spend more time developing this game further because it has so much potential.
7:23 time stamp for "the entire team was an ass and we won't be working with them agin"
Interesting how they implemented the Medic without considering how he should feel good to play as a single player game like the other classes. He and the Heavy have become the "I hope somebody else picks X" classes like the beta Demoman was. The Medic problem was only solved by making him so overpowered that it doesn't feel like a drag to play him.
Funny how the class created from a bug came to be plagued with bugs affecting its gameplay
6:12 man this is EXACTLY what happened with the Engineer in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, nobody ever wants to build mission objectives and plant dynamites, and no team cooperation means that even if you were willing to you couldn't just go and place the dynamite without getting killed and/or instantly defused by an enemy Engineer.
That's why I liked TF2, there are opportunities for some sick solo plays but also you can't just carry your team if the opponents are at least somewhat competent. Haven't found a game like that since, Overwatch and Paladins feel sluggish, if your team is bad you just get completely rolled over.
Thanks, and have fun!
i really dig these informative videos
Nice last quote from Gabe there
Having played 30-some hours of tf2 the description is frighteningly accurate
One unique thing in tf2 is how you can become friends with enemies.
A recent example, i noticed an enemy sniper behind our lines. With unusual hat. He clicked on my head a few times, i was in optimal range to gib him but...i couldn't.
I followed him while accusing him of being a spy. When he noticed me we did a few crouches to signal peace and went on my way.
You WILL NEVER EXPERIENCE THAT IN ANY OTHER TEAM BASED MULTIPLAYER. I Tried. The unwritten rule is just not present in those game's culture.
Very cool. Glad i saw this video.
Bruh the engi and pyro were literally added if you couldn’t aim, im dying hhshajsjdkfkd
I think it's weird that they removed Demoman's ability to blow up walls because that would make players switch to Demoman to do it, and then switch off right after, but thats kinda what Engineer does.
If nobody on your team is good enough to destroy a sentry, you kins of **have to** switch to solider or demo to destroy it. If not, you just can't really access large portions of the map.
Leaving a comment because the algorithm needs to peddle this
"pyro was originally added to help laggy players"
well that makes sense why i happen to main pyro
So Scout, Soldier and Demo were designed around differences in one stat, Sniper and Medic were added as already established parts of the fiction, Heavy was an "I saw this in a movie once" (more common in game dev than you'd think) Pyro was deliberately built to be a WM1, Spy was built out of people accidentally playing the game wrong, Medic's Ubercharge was an attempt to stop people hating playing a healer class and Engineer was built for people who wanted to be playing a different game.
Half of this sounds like the notes for how D&D designed its classes.
Finally: Team fortress 1
Since you brought up the old Demolition Man, I'd like to mention that one other game has done nearly the same thing - Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory has an Engineer class, which can plant dynamite to destroy critical structures and is required for many maps.
They solved the problem by making him essential in other ways too - only he could build supporting structures, repair vehicles and had a special weapon - rifle grenade launcher.
“So where’d you get the idea for Heavy?”
“Big gun in movie. Good movie.”
I don’t know if the concensus in this comment section is that this train of thought is dumb, but I personally think its brilliant. There is no artificial teamwork, the whole dimension of teamwork is a skill that has to be learned, and it does help tremendously despite there being little built in class synergy. Its like Csgo or chess, where you are given a set of rules and have to figure the game out from scratch.
That ending quote is pure gold.
Really nice video
This is amazing
Great video, commenting so more people get to see it through the algorithm!
It's poetic that the spy and engineer were released at the same time
Man Predator is still an amazing movie. I can't imagine seeing that come out in high school or something.
I love your type of comedy!
Lepa slika
The spy's butterfly effect goes crazy cuz just because of a bug valve earns a lot more cosmetics-money just because there's 9 classes instead of 8, a bug worth million of dollars
What a brilliant design philosophy.
Demo's breach charge sounds so incredibly fun. I wish they kept it for at least some TF2 maps.
Great video
How you made that? (Flat logos and animation) (Minutes 0:13 0:39 0:54 2:19 7:10 )
The programs he used are on the video description
basic video editing
Adobe After Effects
No way is one of the most iconic video game characters a predator reference lmao
best tf2 vid ever maybe ty
and then there's overwatch where your hard capped on contribution and fun by every other player on the map