Imam al-Nawawi and Ibn Jawzi held a more nuanced view about Bid’ah, but if you dare say it in front of the Salafis, you better beg for your life not to be snatched away by one of them.
Wahhabism?? Whats wrong with them?? They are sunni just as you are sunnis?? What ia wrong with your mind?? This is not the way of the Prophet to demonize some of the believers? Are the maturidia and asharis are the only people from who you can find pios Muslims ❤?? That genuinely believes that the only authority in religion are the Noble Qur'an & Sunnah with the understanding of the 2 blessed generations after the time of the Prophet??? Imam abul hassan al ashari came later on in the history of Islam, centuries after the salaf... What is the creed of the Majority of Muslims? Before imam hassan al-ash'ari?? ?? These famous scholars of our history are humans like us, they are not angels or prophets. They aren't infallible... So stop demonizing the other sunni schools, and historically asharis gain prominence after the siljuk muslim empire rose to power in baghdad. I am a lay Muslim and i love all the sunnis... Athari, ash'aris & maturidis... They are all valid schools of islamic theology and i just wanna remind you that Allah, Glorious and exalted is the Absolute and penackle of mystery... We can never fully understand His being these are all ijtihad of our scholars.... What we know for sure is that our Lord, is One, Unique and absolutely perfect in all manners...
I wasted 25 years with the Salafis, now I'm going to learn the Ashari, Matureedi and Athari/Hanbali Aqeedah and expose them. I need to get a hold of books and lectures in Arabic and English that explain the rationale and reasonings behind their approaches.JZKL.
I followed the salafi and their aqeedah for maybe 10 years. I used to just accept whatever explanations they gave to the qns i had. For exanple, they say you can't make taweel of Allah's attribute but when i come across statements from the companions or tabiin that seems like taweel, the salafis will say to me that they make taweel only if the salaf made taweel or they say it's not a verse about Allah's attribute. Things changed when I read luma of Ibn qudamah without the sharh from any salafi scholars. I realised that ibn qudamah didn't believe like what i believe. I used to believe that Allah have a hand and the hand is a body part unlike any other body parts of the makhluk because they say we need to affirm its literal meaning but this was not what imam ahmad believed. What was also strange was that every aqeedah book that i asked about, they say that the author is not salafi in aqeedah. These made me want to find out more.
My teachers would appreciate the way you summarised the refutation however they do not watch videos is why I ask you to please compile this video as a book.
Assalamu aleykum wa rohmatullah wa barokatuh! May Allah ﷻ reward your efforts, my dear Brother! In early 2000s when i was young and suffered lack of knowledge about the deen i almost fell to the trap of this sect, Alhamdullilah, He guided me to the right path of ahlu sunna wal jamaah and i stick firm to hanafi/maturidi school which is common in Central Asia. Unfortunetly, many young men from our area first fell to the trap of "wahaby-salafis" next fell to the trap of takfiri-jihadis and ended up in ISIS. I have no doubt that the promouters of wahaby-salafi sect are aligned with the secret services of the kuffar always willing to cause division in ummah and weaken it.
I thought I was seeing things and thought I was watching brother Abu Mussab until I realised this content is the complete opposite. Subhanallah it’s as if you are both twins in appearance. May Allah guide Abu Mussab back to the path distant from the wahabi group ما شاء الله بارك الله فيك خي و هل كلام كتير جيد 💙
Da^wah is important for non-Muslims. But people forget about da^wah within the Muslims, to keep them from deviation from ahluSunnah. This video was needed. Truth stands clear from falsehood.
By Allah i was pivoting towards wahabism but one day it was a maulid and in my country too was a 3 days festival where people go and commit all sorts of sins , zinna, drinking and music then a salafi scholar from my country said it's better to go to such festivals than celebrating Mauled...i was shocked by such utterance i started to make my own research and by now wahabism is something which is so hateful to me
30:51 Some interesting quote that was mentioned by ibn hajar and other scholars. I will try to keep it short you can look it up: …فَقَالَ لَهُ ابْن كثير أَنْت تكرهني لأنني أشعري فَقَالَ لَهُ لَو كَانَ من رَأسك إِلَى قدمك شعر مَا صدقك النَّاس فِي قَوْلك أَنَّك أشعري وشيخك ابْن تَيْمِية…. Google translation for non Arabic people: ….So Ibn Katheer said to him: You hate me because I am Ash’ari. So he said to him: If there were hair from your head to your feet, people would not believe you when you say that you are Ash'ari and your sheikh is Ibn Taymiyyah….. والله أعلم Allah knows best May Allah have mercy on our scholars.
Their answer to this is telling, because they say it was merely a joke... but it does not follow because if what ibn Kathir first said (because I am ash'ari) was the joke, then the answer makes no sense as it fails to grasp the joke in the first place, and "if there were hair from your head to your feet" means he did not have that many hairs, or the "إِلَى" is not proper. If only the answer "if there were hair from your head to your feet..." is the joking part, then it is an implicit admission that ibn Kathir is indeed ash'ari, and the joke comes only from the respondant. Either way, this dismissal by way of saying it is a joke is invalid as it does not disprove what it tried to.
Jazakallah Brother. In my opinion, the reason Wahhabism spread is because of the lack of knowledge nowadays. So, if you can make more videos collecting all the statements of previous scholars of the 4 madhabs throughout our history on matters that wahabis disagree with as matters of creed, that would really help show what following wahabism actually entails.
No. You dont study the 4 Madhabs and Jurisprudence(Fiqh) on CZcams or the Internet. These subjects are not for the layman but for the students of knowledge. The problem with Wahabis is they dont want to study under a shaykh or enter an Islamic University. They are lazy. They rather read a couple books and claim they are "shaykhs" now. Same just like MIAW, he wasnt a shaykh of anything, he didnt specialize in any Islamic science and has no ijiziya. If you want to learn Jurisprudence and the difference between between Madhabs then study under a qualified shaykh or enter an Islamic Uni. You look stupid seeking DEEP knowledge on CZcams.
I’m not really hardcore Salafi *I was before* or a hardcore Ash’ari or a hardcore Maturidi. Each great salaf from these three schools of theology all had interesting and great perspectives which I love to learn about. Of course it can be right and it can be wrong but to call certain groups that follow a understanding by calling them “deviants”, “innovators” etc that Salafis use never sat right with me
👍 Unfortunately more prevalent within the pseudo salafi movement in, which itself is testament to the movement itself, but the deviant term is also thrown by laymen more than scholars from all manahij. It’s unfortunate though because the average layman probably has the right intention and genuinely wants to seek the closeness to Allah and fears the punishment of Allah, but at the same time our nafs get the better of us and we want to prove that we are more intelligent/correct
Don't follow an Imam!! Follow the Quran and Sunnah directly. When I did that, the results differed from their Sheikhs, so they told me I'm wrong. I said but I took the Quran and sunnah directly and followed it just like you said. They said, "You have to follow the Quran and Sunnah in accordance to OUR SCHOLARS!" Which proves that not only is their call to Quran and Sunnah is false and in reality Taqleed of their scholars, but they are (or are trying to be) the 5th Mazhab of the Ummah.
Sheikh, i just want to say thank you for defending and exposing the reality of the Salafis. What they are doing is tantamount to a corruption of the religion and your work is so important to safeguarding our Aqeedah
This is a brilliant, academic lecture. But the title is not appropriate. Please consider changing the title to a more academic one. Jazakum Allahu Khayr!
Asalaam alaikum. Very concise and clear refutations. Alhumdolillah keep up the great work. It is much needed especially for the youth who are being lied to.
@@jack-xf8qmevery faqih is an expert in hadith but every muhaddiths are not faqih.... they were so busy in narrating thousands of hadith....the had little time for fiqh.....because of that you will see their fiqh and fatawa are not famous....nobody follows their fatawa in majority of case.
@@uzzy_787every faqih is an expert in hadith but every muhaddiths are not faqih.... they were so busy in narrating thousands of hadith....the had little time for fiqh.....because of that you will see their fiqh and fatawa are not famous....nobody follows their fatawa in majority of case.
by the way the first 3 ahadith doesnt speak about scholars particularly, is speaks about jama"a and sawad al ala'dham, and 'awam, all of that means the majority of muslims, not specifically scholars of aqeedah.
Two debates had already occurred between Shaykh Abdulrahman Hassan (ARH) and Asrar Rashid, who was also an Ashari. It was an orderly debate that elucidated a lot of points. With all due respect for both participants, they conducted themselves in a respectable manner and it was a treat to watch. In Abdulrahman Hassan’s video titled the “Disturbing Reality of Asharis,” from which you take the name of this video in imitation, ARH pointed out how Asharis do not take the Quran at face-value, that when there’s a discrepancy between the Quran and what makes sense (i.e. logical reasoning), Asharis give precedence to logic. In other words, if something in the Quran doesn’t make sense, then it has to become reasoned into making sense. This is a severe misjudgment, regardless of where you stand. ARH’s description of this Ashari method of interpretation of the Quran showed itself in both his debate with Asrar, as well as in another one of your videos; in that video you said it was “circular logic” when we as Muslims say Allah the Most High exists because He says He exists in the Quran, and then we go on to say the Quran is from Allah the Most High because Allah the Most High exists. Everyone says they follow the method Salaf and the Righteous Predecessors, but the Ashari methodology is clearly not that.
ARH lost the debate😂 You cant take him seriously when he says there were max 21 Ash'ari scholars in the last 1200 years. He couldnt even answer basic questions when they were negotiatiating terms for the debate.
"ARH pointed out how Asharis do not take the Quran at face-value, that when there’s a discrepancy between the Quran and what makes sense (i.e. logical reasoning), Asharis give precedence to logic". Show me one Salaf that took "alif laam meme", "alif laam raa", "yaa, seen" "haa meem". all these words at face value literally making a meaning from it. so what is the next step that makes most sense and it is safest path. leave the interpretation/meaning to ALLAH. That is imaan leave what doesn't make sense to Allah the ALL WISE.
The interpretation of the Quran is with Allah the Most High first, and then the Prophet Peace and Blessings Upon him second. Everyone else’s opinion that does not coincide with those two is utterly useless. The religion is not for us to interpret how we decide and see fit. As for those Words in the Quran that you mentioned, I am not nearly enough aware of the scholars’ opinions on either side. However, the debate between ARH and Asrar Rashid, two knowledgeable scholars, would be a much better place to get an idea of either methodology, although I don’t think they ever talked about those Words in their debates. Regardless, I think the Ashari mythology does not stand up to scrutiny by a knowledgeable scholar that follows the Quran and Sunnah properly.
@@davidtaylor3544 One of the scholars of Quran (tafsir) were asharis liks al Qurtubi, As Sujuti and Hadith scholars like An Nawawi, Ibn Hajar and Bayhaqi. The irony is that salafis still to this day use their works🤣
@@davidtaylor3544 brother the interpretation of certain verses is left to Allah and only the prophet knows and fully understands the Quran. we laymens cannot because the Quran is such a miracle that no one can produce anything like it. one of the miracles is the fact that you can have thousands of 'correct' interpretations as evident by the different tafsir's by many scholars. no scholar says my tafsir is the right one or my Hadith interpretation is the right one. our job is really that simple to read the many tafsirs out there and most if not all will have a lot in common in interpretation. if you by all means understand the Quran in your correct way and have the ability to produce your own tafsir go ahead. yet be careful because groups like the kawarij and takfirs also produced their own tafsirs. and their tafsirs we know is wrong. so that's way the Quran isn't a game it takes careful dedicated time and full trust in Allah to guide you give the correct understanding. however this only applies to you if your up for the challenge. we laymens put our trust on reliable scholars who have been historically evident as being trust worthy and sincere in their works so we can learn from them. if you want to go down your own path of isolation and not follow any scholar and study and interpret the Quran and Hadith to your own understanding you go do that. but don't tell muslims to separate themselves from learned scholars. the pious ones at that too.
I red once that the Wahabi movement was created by Great Britain (during their imperial invasions) as a way to change Islam, don't know how true that is.
All we have is speculation which supports this idea, from the shared interest between both the British and the Saudis (from Ibn Abdulwahhab's time) in their eagerness to remove the Khilafah of the Ottoman Empire; the last standing Islamic Caliphate, as well as the lengthy and detailed testimony of the British spy that was sent to Saudi, along with the current leader of Saudi MBS saying that Saudi has funded the spread of Wahhabism at the request of the west, and other things like leaked classified documents showing it was an effort of the government. See links below: Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the Middle East www.sunna.info/antiwahabies/wahhabies/htm/spy1.htm The Birth of al-Wahabi Movement and its Roots irp.fas.org/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf
@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim LOL, wallahi you immature jahils are so beyond predictable, it's hilarious. For the record kiddo, the wahhabis themselves used the terms "wahhabi" and "najdi" in THEIR OWN BOOK TITLES when referring to their little cult. The fact that you are unaware of this truly goes to show you're still an infant and that I'm wasting my time even replying to you. And LOOOOL promotes a madkhali like Shamsi who barely knows Arabic or English 🤣🤣🤣🤡. You jahils never cease to entertain wallahi. May God guide you.
No doubt it is true. The british and kow usa are protecting the saudi kingdom which in turn supports the salafi ahaykhs. The saudi kings and wahhabi scholars both help each other. Watch bro hajj videos on najdi dawah about abdul wahhab and his criminal background. Lawerence of arabia even said the saudis are being supported by other british spies. The massacre of basra in 18th century by the saudi/wahhabis were found to be using british weapons this is from an Ottoman source the muhadeen who liberated basra from the filthy saudi/wahhabis!
Salafi's reject the idea of Mazhab and claim to follow Quran and Sunnah directly. This contraditcts the very foundation of having a Hanbali (or the other 3 Mazhabs) Hanbali's like the other school of Fiqh accept Ijma' as a source of Jurisprudice (after Quran and Sunnah). Salafis seem (at least in practice) reject that idea. There are differences in Aqida. More signifcant is that many Salafis seem to reject other opinions and schools in Fiqh and Aqidah, which the Hanbalis don't. **That means even if Salafis would equal Hanbalis in Aqida and Fiqh (which they don't), when the Salafis reject other Madhabs and Aqidah schools, than they become clearly different form Hanbalis. ** Also Salafis reject Tassawuf completely, Hanbalis do not. And the most important Point: Salafis by their ideologoy do not like to be associated with a certain mazhab, aqeeda, manaj, etc. That means there might be Salafi Scholars that accept Mazhabs completely, while others call people who folloow Mazhabs Kufaar. Both are of course extreme cases. Because this ambiguity with Salafis, but not with Hanbalis, they become something completely different. Also Hanbalis are accepted and embraced by all Sunni scholars as part of Ahlus-sunnah-wal-jamaa'a. Salafis are not. Very often because of the fitnah they create, but also because of the ambiguity. (You can't accept that you don't know). In conclusion: Salafis and Hanbalis are completely different things and can actually not be compared (e.g. apple vs oranges). Some Salafis might be pretty much Hanbalis, others might have absolutely nothing to do with it. Hanbalis are definitly Sunni. Salafis very often not due to their differences in Fiqh and Aqidah, but mostly due to their rejection of other schools and the ambiguity of their own fiqh and aqidah. Salafis claim to follow Hanbali madhab because they know that they cannot pray, fast, give zakat without following the authority of any of the four imams as all other valid schools of Ahl us Sunnah Wal Jamah are extinct.
Akhi, What's you proof Salafis reject Madhab? Salafis say follow the Madhab, the Sxholar based on evidence on an issue, but don't follow any Madhab blindly. Even Madeena Uni teaches all different madhabs , but the priority is the evidence
@@zainhanifmiah No Salafi rejects Madhabs. We respect, honour and take ilm from All four Aimma and all others past and present. But we do not blind follow any Imam. We follow Madhabs based on evidence, just as the Imams have said to not follow their opinion if it contradict evidence
Nauuzubillah.. Uthaymeen has A LOT to answer in front of Allah in the Day of Judgement ! May Allah safeguard us from the Salafism sect and mindset and keep us upon the aqeedah of the *JUMHUR* of muslims.
@masudsaleh5155well, well, well. so who was Uthaymeen ? Hadith xpert ? Fiqh expert ? Aqeedah expert ? or just a small fry who propogate aqeedah of Taymiyyah and Ibn Wahab and not the aqeedah of salafus soleh ? This video is as clear day sunny day exposing him. He has A LOT to answer in akhirah !
Jazak Allah ya akhi. Can you also review salafi videos like you did with abdurrahman hasan? Like assim al hakim or other big salafis that are active on social media. We need people to refute there fatawa and creed that they attribute to the salaf and the ijmaa of the ummah. Maybe they should call themselves ahlul ijmaa, the way every opinion of them is suddenly ijmaa.
What was clarified throughout the video was that Islam has held the agreement on the principles in Aqeedah and have not been differed upon. Other things that are more minor details have been differed upon because there is room for it in Islam, no issues if you believed one over the other such as in things like whether you believe Allah has an attribute called a Hand that is not a limb (some scholars), or you believe that was a metaphor (other scholars) doesn’t change the fact that both understandings include a negation of body parts and limbs for Allah, which is the principle that’s been agreed upon- that Allah is not a physical entity. The principle is agreed upon, the other stuff is okay to differ on and Islam has room for that just like the differences within jurisprudential issues
What disagreements on fundamental aspects are you talking about? All of Ahlul Sunnah agree on the "fundamental aspects." They wouldn't be Muslim if they didn't. Not sure what point you're trying to get at here. "disagreements on fundamental aspects" comes from a relatively recent creation: the pseudosalafi cult.
@@snakejuce Sunni and Shia are practically 2 different religions. You also find disagreements in regard to what is shirk. Tawussul and istighatha, is the Quran the literal speech of Allah, does Allah have a body, is music allowed, what is bidah, has the Quran been preserved. You can name anything you will find disagreements or 100 different opinions. Can you name things all Muslims agree with?
@@UmarElhashmi nah, just audio only so can listen in the car or have the audio playing with the screen off which you can't do when listening on CZcams. The audio only format is better for longer recordings imo. May Allah bless you. But do what is easy for you.
Alhamdulillah, a great explanation! may Allah keep you steadfast sidi shaykh. By the way I have sent you a DM and would appreciate if you had the time to respond when possible inshaAllah
We do follow Qur'an and sunnah upon the salaf. We do not deviate from the Qur'an and sunnah. Which the Asha'irah and Maturidiyyah have struggles doing. aka (Doing ta'weel, or tafweedh or claiming kalam nafsi.) The Ahlul sunnah wal jamaah is the ahlul athar stated in a narration.
ta'weel and tafweed are from the salaf, so whats your point. and state me the narration that ahlusunnah are ahlu l athar, remember to make sure that it is from the prophet saw.
I remember my teacher said "Some wahabi believe God has literal two hands and both of hands are right hands. It's like someone said your face is like a dog but it's not ugly and it's a face of beautiful dog. They know it's imperfection for human being if human with two right hands but be stubborn to attribute some physical defects to God and wrap it up with the words 'Beautiful not like creation' or 'Befits His Majesty'"
I mean it is literally in the Quran and Sunnah, explained like that by the prophet ﷺ. Do you love? Do you see? Do you hear? Does Allah love? Does Allah see? Does Allah hear? Do you exist? Does Allah exist? Can you compare these attributes of yourself with the ones of Allah? Is it now a defect in his seeing that your seeing is defective? No, of course not. The cognitive dissonance to accept all the sifaat except for what you consider bodily parts. No Salaf ascribed weakness or deficiency to Allah and even if it is clear that he has hands in the text, there is no deficiency instead for the feeble minded
@@Bilal-ys6df- you are comparing the love, hearing, seeing and existence of humans to the Love, Hearing, Seeing and Existence of Allah SWT!!!??????!!! Don't you realise you are committing kufr by doing so? These are NOT the same! Our existence is totally different from Allah's Existence. Our seeing, hearing, loving is totally different from Allah's Seeing, Hearing, Loving. Allah SWT has no need of ears, eyes, heart, arms, elbows, hands, fingers, legs shins, feet. When such words are used in the Texts in regards to Allah SWT, they are as used by all human languages - figures of speech /metaphors /idioms. They are mutashabihaat. Not to be taken Literally.
@@Bilal-ys6df We know what is "literally" in the Quran. We also know that certain things are NOT taken literally. Do you also take this literally? “Everywhere you turn there is the face of God.” 2:115 It's remarkable how deviant the wahhabis are, all while claiming that ASWJ are the one's who are deviant. There is Ahlul Sunnah, and then there is the pseudosalafi cult... a cult which has NOTHING to do with ASWJ.
@@mikhan5191 I don’t know if you read my comment fully. I am saying, we have attributes that are named the same like Allah’s attributes, but there is no comparison. Whatever you can imagine is not Allah, because he is above our imagination. So far we agree. You just throw that principle under the bus when talking about Allah’s hands for example. You apply one logic to love, hearing and sight and one to shin and arms, which is hypocritical. Nobody mentioned that Allah needs anything except for you. He does what he wants
If the quran was preserved like hadiths brother then it would have daif verses and sahih verses. The reality is we must accept the quran is preserved by god and the hadith preserved by men and not conflate them nor give credit to men when it was god who says he will be the quran's preserver.
brother when i bring this matter to a salafi follower that they should stick to the majority of the muslims and not deviate they say that in the quran Allah said majority don't believe( 'And if you were to obey most of the people, they would misguide you from the path of Allah. '). How do i explain to them after they say that? JazakAllahu khayr.
Majority of people is not Majority of Muslims. Cite the Hadith about the Majority of Muslims, and demonstrate that the verse was talking about people on earth and not Muslims, as for Islam, it is preserved through the majority as the prophet (saw) explained. It is impossible for the majority of Muslim scholars with independent research to reach the same conclusion about Aqeedah if that conclusion is inaccurate. As their conclusion represents "what we believe in as Muslims"
I saw a disturbing tweet 7 days ago it read: "it's better for you to be a zaani upon the correct aqeedah, than be an ashari or maturidi who is chaste." The more disturbing part is they all mostly believe this with the exception of a few, except this jahil was jahil enough to tweet it publicly... it has 176 likes and a bunch of retweets. These khanazeer have NOTHING to do with the deen.
@@UmarElhashmi I can't post links in the replies (unless I'm a mod on this channel), or else I would've linked the tweet. It's still up, believe it or not. Disgusting rhetoric. Even some commenters agreeing and making even WORSE comments, it's absolutely wild.
Is funny right? Allah can hear everybody and every person in the world "at the same moment and at the same time" so i can ask "how" is that Possible? The same way he asking "how" can Allah be above? Bro you can not know with your intellect or logic "how" it is or how it works of Allah to be above... Allah also said we send revelation "down" and so on.. It is even in the fitrah that we say Allah is above..
@@AlbaMBBTplease understand that saying God is literally above the heavens as in a direction is limiting God. It's also absurd to take those things literally like saying Allah descends in the last third of the night to the lowest heavens. If you say this is literal then he is always in the lowest heaven because it's always the last third of the night for someone on the earth because the earth is a sphere. But I thought he is above the heavens according to you? It's weird to me.
its easy to understand as for Bi’la Ma’na, A word will not become a word if it has no meaning, that’s the rules of language as per bi’la kayfiyya, it does make sense because some terms or words doesn’t need description like air?can you describe air?NO it’s has no modality to it. , for a description is subject to sensory. that’s why it should be translated into without kayfiyya, that’s it. Salafis always fail in logic and rationality.
The fact that you are this much of a jahil comes as no surprise to most of us anymore, wallahi. Do you truly believe he was referring to the actual salaf, and not making a distinction between the cult of the pseudo-salafis who were a relatively recent creation? It seems you didn't want to listen in the first place lol, you're just making some inane excuse to justify to your ego why you won't.
In Arabic, there is a difference between the words 'salaf' (predecessors) and 'salafi' (person pretending to follow the salaf). In the first 30 seconds, he was speaking of the 'salafi' movement developed in the last few hundred years ago... it's easy to understand ^^
@@al_worshiper6086 so ibn wahhab invented a new movement?, The young man said wahabbies , ahlal hadith and salafis as same which started in last few hundred yrs. Do explain whats this new movement beliefs , madhab, aqeedah etc that is different to sahabas and salaf methodology? As it is easy for you.
Akhee, you said you need an ijaazah to debate or discuss these issues with someone as you are still on a program. Akh why do you speak about these issues then? Is this the way of Ahlus Sunnah?
Akhi. Understand my words. I made it very clear that debate is a subject of its own. It is a skill set. That being the case, in order to indulge in it I want to have the permission of my teacher after having been tested and tutored properly on the skill of debate. I have permission to teach in Aqeedah. I do not in debate. I will speak on Aqeedah matters, but I will not indulge in debate until 2 years from now when I get my permission Insha Allah. It’s not difficult to understand. Nobody said until i possess the skill to debate, that I have to be silent and cannot teach. That’s plain stupidity. Someone possessing the skill of debate can easily win in a debate against an unskilled person even if they are upon falsehood. As I’ve repeated, it is a skill that I have yet to be trained in. Again, who says that in order to teach Aqeedah or Fiqh, I have to be skilled in the art of debate? Nobody, so enough of that One can be very knowledgeable and know his stuff inside out, but just doesn’t possess the ability to teach it or structure a class. The exact same here. I have the knowledge to defend my positions very well, but to structure it in debate format and to know how to elaborate on the knowledge that’s in my head is very difficult for me and I’m getting there. Wait until I get my ijazah and until then, go study and learn something and we’ll see you in the audience of my first debate inshallah Sound good? Cool Salams
My teachers would appreciate the way you summarised the refutation however they do not watch videos is why I ask you to please compile this video as a book.
16:23 - Ummah is divided into many groups. There is no single large body of Ummah in terms of number. Every country follows their own interpretation of Islam. Main body of Ummah means Muslims who follow Quran and Sunnah.
@@toaa4734 This 73 sects has wide variety of Aqeedah. Many of the times, they declared disbelievers each other. For example, extreme Sufi groups sometimes think Allah is everywhere. If you worship a dog, that means you are worshipping Allah. Are these groups within 73 sects?
Rasool sallal laahu alaihi wa sallam had prophesized that the Ummah will be devided. Only saved victorious sect will be Rasool sallal laahu alaihi wa sallam and his Sahabah Radhi Allahu anhum. So everyone after them must be what they were upon. Salafi Aqeedah and Manhaj is that saved victorious group
@@NiceGuy88 nonsense Lol you yourself use intellect, logic and philosophy to change the Quran or what Allah said about himself.. When Allah said he is above we accepted it we dont ask "How" becouse we dont know how it works for Allah he is different than his creation nothing is like Allah. The same way Allah can see and hear everybody and everything at the same moment and time? We dont ask who? Becouse you dont know how Allah does it.. It is even in the fitrah that we know that Allah is above is very easy. Or you trying to ask Allah and the prophet saws had no different words to use or prophet saws forgot to explain the Quran or that Allah is not above? Come on bro.
Fear Allaah and come back to the understanding of salaf as salih. Don’t blind follow scholars around 1000 AH, and don’t claim there is consensus while there is not.
Salam I don’t have the time to make one However if you watch along with the video, each and every quote I presented is on the screen along with the author and the source. Be sure to switch to 1080p so that the text is clear.
This is a CHALLENGE TO THE SALAFIYYA WHO WILL COME HERE IN THE COMMENT SECTION. I challenge you regarding the Al Uluww of Allah issue, If the salafussaliheen meant that fawqiyya and uluw is a literal elavation aboveness that subject to a direction, BRING ME A STATEMENT WHERE THE SALAF SAID “ ALLAH IS ABOVE THE THRONE AND ITS BELOW HIS CREATION “ . If not, then the statement is ambiguous and unclear and its is subject to tafwid or ta’wil. a ta’wil that doesn’t remove the real meaning of it. so if the salaf meant it by direction?then Why would Imam tahawi Rahimahullah mention in his book that Allah is not contained by six direction and why the salaf didnt mention what’s in below, if Allah is literally above?if not, you have to do tafwid and accept that it was his loftiness and sovereignty that speaks his aboveness just like Imam Jarir Ibn Tabari RA said who existed before Imam Al’Ash’ari.
@@mahmudibnabidin 🤣🤦🏻 such a failure, The veil of Allah is light and that is his attributes. its not a creation. Ibn Al-Qayyim said in Mukhtasar As-Sawaa’iq: “There are texts that call the Lord 'light', and that He has light that is attributed to Him, and that He is the light of the heavens and the earth, and that His Veil is light. Basically the Attributes of Allah can manifest through a medium to his creation. just like the qur’an and his mercy and anger.
@@YoungSmirks What is a debate going to do? Let’s be honest most people’s ego won’t let them follow the truth even if it was right in front of them it just causes more fitnah than anything. Hypothetically speaking imagine they debate and Umar wins will all the Salafis just turn to Ashari or Maturidi? Or vice versa if the Salafi Shaykh wins the debate you think the Ashari and Maturidi guys will just become salafi? No it’s gonna be a whole “nope you’ve misinterpreted this and that etc.” in reality everyone will just be speaking a whole lot of nothing. This debate will just be a waste of both parties time.
I was always sitting with salafis is Yemen the amount of bad things they say about every one made my heart dislike them I used to say our forefathers were all shafai n they would say there’s to much biddah in the shafai madhab
@spreaderofalhaqq tell me one hadith that every single sahaba in Madina knew and could recite verbatim? There isn't any. The hadith were collected much layer and isnads later still The quran wasn't done by isnads until later. It was just taught on mass within community. Then it uthmans time it was standardised to a certain extent and then copies sent to main cities
@spreaderofalhaqq the quran is a single word for word (harf) recitation. There isn't scope for narration by meaning, or adding 9r removing your own words. It's a single mass transmitted and taught in groups, so there is no way it could be changed. The hadith is completely different and the way it was retrospectively changed to fit a narrative shows, its nothing like the quran. Not in its teachings or its preservation. Hadith are true, but no where near what the quran is and how they were each preserved and transmitted is not the same at all. Quran was also written down and standardised in time uthman, and written as soon as revealed in some cases. How can you say hadith are the same?
Why wahbbais lol leave wahhabis Becouse the Quran says it? Why do we need to ask "how" and use intellect or logic? Or philosophy? Becouse you dont know how that works with Allah.. The same way that Allah is above, the same way that Allah can see everything and everybody in the same moment and at the same time you know how it works or that Allah hears everything and everybody in the same time.. You dont know "how" it works or "how" Allah does that Becouse Allah is different than his creation nothing is like Allah. The aqeedah is very simple it is even in the fitra that we know that Allah is above.
@@Gog3453 You dont make any sense? What i said has nothing to do with the Wahabi label.. We know the Creator and we know his creation. In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful. 1. Say, “He is God, the One. 2. God, the Absolute. 3. He begets not, nor was He begotten. 4. And there is nothing comparable to Him.” This is a clear statement by God describing Himself to humanity without any room for confusion. Maby you need to stop using philosophy becouse you "will" never understand "the unseen" or Allah his names and attributes or "how' Allah does things or "how" Allah is with your lil brain, intellect, logic or philosophy.. We must follow the tekst.. The same way we dont know "how" Allah is above or how that works for Allah is the same way we dont know how Allah can hear and see everything and everybody at the same time and at the same moment? You can not understand that with your intellect, logic or philosophy.. Allah said: Indeed, it is We who have "sent down" to you, [O Muhammad], the Qur'an progressively. We also can argu that it is in the fitrah that we know that Allah is above.. If Allah was not above the Prophet Muhammad saws would have told us that right? Becouse it is important to know that? He would have explained it.. or used other words and so on.. But yeah have a nice day..
Wahhabism?? Whats wrong with them?? They are sunni just as you are sunnis?? What ia wrong with your mind?? This is not the way of the Prophet to demonize some of the believers? Are the maturidis and asharis are the only people from whom you can find pios Muslims ❤?? That genuinely believes that the only authority in religion are the Noble Qur'an & Sunnah with the understanding of the 2 blessed generations after the time of the Prophet??? Imam abul hassan al ashari came later on in the history of Islam, centuries after the salaf... What is the creed of the Majority of Muslims? Before imam hassan al-ash'ari?? ?? These famous scholars of our history are humans like us, they are not angels or prophets. They aren't infallible... So stop demonizing the other sunni schools, and historically asharis gain prominence after the siljuk muslim empire rose to power in baghdad. I am a lay Muslim and i love all the sunnis... Athari, ash'aris & maturidis... They are all valid schools of islamic theology and i just wanna remind you that Allah, Glorious and exalted is the Absolute and penackle of mystery... We can never fully understand His being these are all ijtihad of our scholars.... What we know for sure is that our Lord, is One, Unique and absolutely perfect in all manners...
You’re misconstruing a lot of sayings from ibn Uthaymeen smh, the aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah is found in the Quran, unlike Asharis, Maturidis, Jahmiyyah, etc
how can he misconstrue something that's taken from direct lectures of his. ive heard the same things too. if the aqeedah was found in the Quran like you said it was there would be a thousand different aqeedahs. the aqeedah is found from the prophet SAW.
1:03:24 ya akhi ‘Umar I am really disappointed with many of the things you are bringing up here. Al-Qadi Abu Ya’la had many retractions and changed creedal views multiple times; this is well known. One example is that in al-Riwayatayn al-Wajhayn, Imam Abu Ya’la argued that Allah is not described with a hadd, but in his later book, Ibtal al-Ta’wilat, he affirmed that Allah has a hadd in the direction of the Throne. Likewise, Abu Ya’la initially negated jihah (direction) from Allah but then later affirmed it! As was mentioned by his student, Ibn Hamdan al-Hanbali, “The last position of al-Qadi Abu Ya’la is the affirmation of al-jihah (direction).” This is found in Nihayah al-Mubtadi’in (p. 33). In fact, another Ash’ari brother himself rebuked you on Twitter for appealing to al-Qadi’s quote here! He mentioned to you already that Ibn Hamdan clarified Abu Ya’la’s final stance, so were you unaware of what he said to you?
Both positions are attributed to him because abu Ya'la's own son narrated only his tanzih and not his tashbih. But as sh. Fodeh said about the issue, the correct position is that abu Ya'la was later a mujassim and not in his mid years, and his son was himself a munazih, hence out of respect for his father narrated from him only what was of sound creed.
How would you refute salafis who say that their belief of Allah being above His throne is in line with the statement if imam Tahawi; where he states that Allah is not in direction. The salafis say that Allah is not in any created directions such as north, east, south, and west. Rather, He is outside of His creation and above His throne.
The reality is that Salafis just don’t understand what they themselves say. What does one mean by the statement “neither east west north or south but still above” ? Honestly until they answer the question of what Above means without claiming the earth is flat - they’ll stay confused in this idea. Above is something relative to each individual. My above in America is different to your above in Saudi Arabia, they point to two very distinct opposite areas of the universe. Saying Allah is ‘above the universe’ holds no reality because above is a relative direction there is no such thing as above in the meaning that it has literally. That’s why we say above the throne in terms of his superiority over all things. Not a literal place of being above
@@UmarElhashmiBut that is nonsense you dont know "how" it works for Allah to be above you can not understand that with your intellect? Allah is different than his creation nobody and nothing is like Allah. Allah also can hear everybody in existence in the same time and moment how is that? Possible? You can not understand that with your intellect or logic.. Allah sees everybody and everything every human individual at the same time at the same moment so you dont make any sense to reject what Allah said about himself that he is Above an now you come here oo oo how is that Possible this and that? Allah also said we send revelation down?
E for Effort but you’re atleast 10-15 years away from being qualified to speak on these matters. Feels like a kid peaking from the bottom of the screen playing pretend. Put your ego aside and continue student life studying the deen under the scholars till you generate their wisdom and knowledge.
try debunking wat ur salafi scholar said regarding the hand.. the face of Allah first.. how it really not align to wat imam ahmad n the real hanbali scholars hv stated.. stop hijacking islam… truth always prevails… may Allah guide u.. aammiiiiiinn..
@@nsayyed5469Is funny right? Allah can hear everybody and every person in the world "at the same moment and at the same time" so i can ask "how" is that Possible? The same way he asking "how" can Allah be above? Bro you can not know with your intellect or logic "how" it is or how it works of Allah to be above... Allah also said we send revelation "down" and so on.. It is even in the fitrah that we say Allah is above.. Where the the three geeneratios Asharia and Maturidi? Was Bukhari ashaira? Was Abu Bakr ra asharia? Omar ra Maturidi? Aisha ra? Ashaira? You guys are funny
@@AlbaMBBT Allah is above the Throne as the Quran says istiwa but how can Allah be in a makaan, a place, if he created all things and the makaan is a created thing? Can Allah then be encompassed by his own creation? Audhubillah.
WHY WOULD PROPHET MUHAMMED BE HANAFI? you know why madhabs exists? its because of difference of opinion why would prophet have madhab while he knows what is true because of the revelation even when he was alive sahaba were going in ikhtilaf on some issue and they were coming to prophet saw and they were finding the answer but after his death we cant go and ask which one is true so people differed on ijtihad which prophet saw said if mujtahid makes mistake he gets 1 good deed if his correct he gets 2 good deed@@mukhtar768
@@mukhtar768hanafi in fiqh and yeah there are modern questions that weren't directly asked to the prophet but are extracted by scholars from his teaching ie sunnah and from quran and their ijtihad these ijtihad ofcourse have difference in opinion which are classified as names like hanafi, shafi
I used to be salafi because I just took knowledge from where ever, but the ash'ari and maturidi ideology makes so much sense.
Ya sheikh! thank you. Let’s make this channel grow in order to destroy wahabism.
Wahabism already destroys itself by the very fact that it exists. This is why it only attracts jahils.
Imam al-Nawawi and Ibn Jawzi held a more nuanced view about Bid’ah, but if you dare say it in front of the Salafis, you better beg for your life not to be snatched away by one of them.
@dawatislamiarmyoftheummahhi
Wahhabism?? Whats wrong with them?? They are sunni just as you are sunnis?? What ia wrong with your mind?? This is not the way of the Prophet to demonize some of the believers? Are the maturidia and asharis are the only people from who you can find pios Muslims ❤?? That genuinely believes that the only authority in religion are the Noble Qur'an & Sunnah with the understanding of the 2 blessed generations after the time of the Prophet???
Imam abul hassan al ashari came later on in the history of Islam, centuries after the salaf...
What is the creed of the Majority of Muslims? Before imam hassan al-ash'ari?? ??
These famous scholars of our history are humans like us, they are not angels or prophets. They aren't infallible... So stop demonizing the other sunni schools, and historically asharis gain prominence after the siljuk muslim empire rose to power in baghdad.
I am a lay Muslim and i love all the sunnis... Athari, ash'aris & maturidis... They are all valid schools of islamic theology and i just wanna remind you that Allah, Glorious and exalted is the Absolute and penackle of mystery... We can never fully understand His being these are all ijtihad of our scholars....
What we know for sure is that our Lord, is One, Unique and absolutely perfect in all manners...
Wahhabism has started in 18-century. This is pure bid'ah. No Wahhabism.@@rodjaibmanaleseg2264
I gotta watch this video once every 4-6 months just as a reminder 😂 Jazakallahkhairan
I wasted 25 years with the Salafis, now I'm going to learn the Ashari, Matureedi and Athari/Hanbali Aqeedah and expose them. I need to get a hold of books and lectures in Arabic and English that explain the rationale and reasonings behind their approaches.JZKL.
Alhamdulillah. Welcome back to the aqeedah of al-sawad al a'zam of the ummah.
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I followed the salafi and their aqeedah for maybe 10 years. I used to just accept whatever explanations they gave to the qns i had. For exanple, they say you can't make taweel of Allah's attribute but when i come across statements from the companions or tabiin that seems like taweel, the salafis will say to me that they make taweel only if the salaf made taweel or they say it's not a verse about Allah's attribute.
Things changed when I read luma of Ibn qudamah without the sharh from any salafi scholars. I realised that ibn qudamah didn't believe like what i believe. I used to believe that Allah have a hand and the hand is a body part unlike any other body parts of the makhluk because they say we need to affirm its literal meaning but this was not what imam ahmad believed.
What was also strange was that every aqeedah book that i asked about, they say that the author is not salafi in aqeedah. These made me want to find out more.
Luma’at Al itiqaad is a based book
I used to be a salafi then I made tawbah
@@jtb229 Be just a muslim who "follows the "way" or the "path" of the salaf.. dont call yourself a different name: we are "Muslim"
Yes
And Allah Subhanahuwa Ta'Ala knows best@@AlbaMBBT
Is this book in English?
May Allah reward you for all the hard work!
Al hamdu lillah Ustadh! Good to see you back up on CZcams doing the work! May Allah increase you in every khair ameen!
Ameen may Allah bless you
A breath of fresh air to hear Sunni scholarship , just hope you dotn get affected by Shia or tafdheeliya khurafat may Allah keep you firm. Ameen
Subhanallah, what a video, everything summarised in less than 2hrs. Keep it up!
A comprehensive and concise refutation of deviated creeds. It would be fantastic if all that you said was compiled as a book as well.
My teachers would appreciate the way you summarised the refutation however they do not watch videos is why I ask you to please compile this video as a book.
Assalamu aleykum wa rohmatullah wa barokatuh! May Allah ﷻ reward your efforts, my dear Brother!
In early 2000s when i was young and suffered lack of knowledge about the deen i almost fell to the trap of this sect, Alhamdullilah, He guided me to the right path of ahlu sunna wal jamaah and i stick firm to hanafi/maturidi school which is common in Central Asia.
Unfortunetly, many young men from our area first fell to the trap of "wahaby-salafis" next fell to the trap of takfiri-jihadis and ended up in ISIS.
I have no doubt that the promouters of wahaby-salafi sect are aligned with the secret services of the kuffar always willing to cause division in ummah and weaken it.
It's not a "sect" it's a cult*.
Actually might be true
Really good video brother, may Allah bless you for your efforts
I thought I was seeing things and thought I was watching brother Abu Mussab until I realised this content is the complete opposite. Subhanallah it’s as if you are both twins in appearance. May Allah guide Abu Mussab back to the path distant from the wahabi group
ما شاء الله بارك الله فيك خي و هل كلام كتير جيد 💙
Ma’sha’Allah good video. Good content.
Da^wah is important for non-Muslims. But people forget about da^wah within the Muslims, to keep them from deviation from ahluSunnah. This video was needed. Truth stands clear from falsehood.
By Allah i was pivoting towards wahabism but one day it was a maulid and in my country too was a 3 days festival where people go and commit all sorts of sins , zinna, drinking and music then a salafi scholar from my country said it's better to go to such festivals than celebrating Mauled...i was shocked by such utterance i started to make my own research and by now wahabism is something which is so hateful to me
Allah bless you brother for the precious explanations.
أحسنت أخينا وأستاذنا عمر الهاشمي.. حفظك الله ووفقك لما يحبه ويرضاه وأعانك على مهماتك النبيلة
و إياك حبيبي
Interesting in-depth and eye opening video sidi. Barakallahufeek
Amazing video, thank you
Glad you benefitted
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Some interesting quote that was mentioned by ibn hajar and other scholars. I will try to keep it short you can look it up:
…فَقَالَ لَهُ ابْن كثير أَنْت تكرهني لأنني أشعري فَقَالَ لَهُ لَو كَانَ من رَأسك إِلَى قدمك شعر مَا صدقك النَّاس فِي قَوْلك أَنَّك أشعري وشيخك ابْن تَيْمِية….
Google translation for non Arabic people:
….So Ibn Katheer said to him: You hate me because I am Ash’ari. So he said to him: If there were hair from your head to your feet, people would not believe you when you say that you are Ash'ari and your sheikh is Ibn Taymiyyah…..
والله أعلم
Allah knows best
May Allah have mercy on our scholars.
Their answer to this is telling, because they say it was merely a joke... but it does not follow because if what ibn Kathir first said (because I am ash'ari) was the joke, then the answer makes no sense as it fails to grasp the joke in the first place, and "if there were hair from your head to your feet" means he did not have that many hairs, or the "إِلَى" is not proper.
If only the answer "if there were hair from your head to your feet..." is the joking part, then it is an implicit admission that ibn Kathir is indeed ash'ari, and the joke comes only from the respondant.
Either way, this dismissal by way of saying it is a joke is invalid as it does not disprove what it tried to.
@@Ersilay of course, they have an answer for everything. Telling their followers: “WE HAVE ANSWERED. DONT WORRY THE SITUATION IS UNDER CONTROL”
Yeah this was from Ibn Hajr’s alDurar alKaaminah and it was a dialogue between Ibn Katheer and Ibn al-Qayyim’s son
@@UmarElhashmi I think ibn hajar also said that adhahabi mentioned it
@@UmarElhashmi is it sahih? The salafis said it is fabricated. Are you able to refute their claim on this?
Jazakallah Brother. In my opinion, the reason Wahhabism spread is because of the lack of knowledge nowadays. So, if you can make more videos collecting all the statements of previous scholars of the 4 madhabs throughout our history on matters that wahabis disagree with as matters of creed, that would really help show what following wahabism actually entails.
No.
You dont study the 4 Madhabs and Jurisprudence(Fiqh) on CZcams or the Internet.
These subjects are not for the layman but for the students of knowledge.
The problem with Wahabis is they dont want to study under a shaykh or enter an Islamic University.
They are lazy.
They rather read a couple books and claim they are "shaykhs" now.
Same just like MIAW, he wasnt a shaykh of anything, he didnt specialize in any Islamic science and has no ijiziya.
If you want to learn Jurisprudence and the difference between between Madhabs then study under a qualified shaykh or enter an Islamic Uni.
You look stupid seeking DEEP knowledge on CZcams.
I’m not really hardcore Salafi *I was before* or a hardcore Ash’ari or a hardcore Maturidi. Each great salaf from these three schools of theology all had interesting and great perspectives which I love to learn about. Of course it can be right and it can be wrong but to call certain groups that follow a understanding by calling them “deviants”, “innovators” etc that Salafis use never sat right with me
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Unfortunately more prevalent within the pseudo salafi movement in, which itself is testament to the movement itself, but the deviant term is also thrown by laymen more than scholars from all manahij.
It’s unfortunate though because the average layman probably has the right intention and genuinely wants to seek the closeness to Allah and fears the punishment of Allah, but at the same time our nafs get the better of us and we want to prove that we are more intelligent/correct
Don't follow an Imam!! Follow the Quran and Sunnah directly. When I did that, the results differed from their Sheikhs, so they told me I'm wrong. I said but I took the Quran and sunnah directly and followed it just like you said. They said, "You have to follow the Quran and Sunnah in accordance to OUR SCHOLARS!" Which proves that not only is their call to Quran and Sunnah is false and in reality Taqleed of their scholars, but they are (or are trying to be) the 5th Mazhab of the Ummah.
@@MichiganTroopers123 we're not approaching any shuyookh...we want the pure Quran and Sunnah.
Bro are you Dhahiri.
@@Polymath9000 Read until the end bro
JazakAllahu khayr for another great video. May Allah preserve you and your channel 💚💚💚
Sheikh, i just want to say thank you for defending and exposing the reality of the Salafis. What they are doing is tantamount to a corruption of the religion and your work is so important to safeguarding our Aqeedah
I used to be a wahabi before, Allhumdulillah escaped that cult.
Alhamdulillah. Much needed. Excellent explanation shaykh. May Allah increase your ilm and allow you to benefit the ummah. JazakAllahu khayran.
Ameen 🙌🏻
All Muslims should watch this video.. May Allah swt reward Bro Umar for exposing the fallacy of Salafism/ Wahhabism.
A comprehensive and concise refutation of deviated creeds. It would be fantastic if all that you said was compiled as a book as well.
This is a brilliant, academic lecture. But the title is not appropriate. Please consider changing the title to a more academic one. Jazakum Allahu Khayr!
Salam, shukran but please read the description for the reason I put that name!
Asalaam alaikum.
Very concise and clear refutations. Alhumdolillah keep up the great work. It is much needed especially for the youth who are being lied to.
Im very shocked at how accurate and amazing this lecture is Mashallah. May this reach more people to show them the truth.
Accurate? The guy literally claimed there’s no such thing as a muhaddith who’s also a faqih😂😂😂😂
@@uzzy_787 are you all right. Every faqih is a muhaddith. Otherwise he cannot be a Faqih
@@jack-xf8qmevery faqih is an expert in hadith but every muhaddiths are not faqih....
they were so busy in narrating thousands of hadith....the had little time for fiqh.....because of that you will see their fiqh and fatawa are not famous....nobody follows their fatawa in majority of case.
@@uzzy_787every faqih is an expert in hadith but every muhaddiths are not faqih....
they were so busy in narrating thousands of hadith....the had little time for fiqh.....because of that you will see their fiqh and fatawa are not famous....nobody follows their fatawa in majority of case.
by the way the first 3 ahadith doesnt speak about scholars particularly, is speaks about jama"a and sawad al ala'dham, and 'awam, all of that means the majority of muslims, not specifically scholars of aqeedah.
Ibn Taymiyyah: “And know that there isn’t anything in the sound intellect, or in the authentic text, that which opposes the Salafi Way”
You mean the madkhali way?
@@juxtapositionMS no
@@MohammedAlSharif2002 what does your quote have to do with pseudo-salafis/wahabis?
@@khairt1731 who do you consider the pseudo Salafi Wahhabis exactly?
Good job we don’t take ibn taymiyyah as a reference point, once he blasphemed and was imprisoned repeatedly, the chain of narration is broken
Two debates had already occurred between Shaykh Abdulrahman Hassan (ARH) and Asrar Rashid, who was also an Ashari. It was an orderly debate that elucidated a lot of points. With all due respect for both participants, they conducted themselves in a respectable manner and it was a treat to watch. In Abdulrahman Hassan’s video titled the “Disturbing Reality of Asharis,” from which you take the name of this video in imitation, ARH pointed out how Asharis do not take the Quran at face-value, that when there’s a discrepancy between the Quran and what makes sense (i.e. logical reasoning), Asharis give precedence to logic. In other words, if something in the Quran doesn’t make sense, then it has to become reasoned into making sense. This is a severe misjudgment, regardless of where you stand. ARH’s description of this Ashari method of interpretation of the Quran showed itself in both his debate with Asrar, as well as in another one of your videos; in that video you said it was “circular logic” when we as Muslims say Allah the Most High exists because He says He exists in the Quran, and then we go on to say the Quran is from Allah the Most High because Allah the Most High exists. Everyone says they follow the method Salaf and the Righteous Predecessors, but the Ashari methodology is clearly not that.
ARH lost the debate😂
You cant take him seriously when he says there were max 21 Ash'ari scholars in the last 1200 years.
He couldnt even answer basic questions when they were negotiatiating terms for the debate.
"ARH pointed out how Asharis do not take the Quran at face-value, that when there’s a discrepancy between the Quran and what makes sense (i.e. logical reasoning), Asharis give precedence to logic". Show me one Salaf that took "alif laam meme", "alif laam raa", "yaa, seen" "haa meem". all these words at face value literally making a meaning from it. so what is the next step that makes most sense and it is safest path. leave the interpretation/meaning to ALLAH. That is imaan leave what doesn't make sense to Allah the ALL WISE.
The interpretation of the Quran is with Allah the Most High first, and then the Prophet Peace and Blessings Upon him second. Everyone else’s opinion that does not coincide with those two is utterly useless. The religion is not for us to interpret how we decide and see fit. As for those Words in the Quran that you mentioned, I am not nearly enough aware of the scholars’ opinions on either side. However, the debate between ARH and Asrar Rashid, two knowledgeable scholars, would be a much better place to get an idea of either methodology, although I don’t think they ever talked about those Words in their debates. Regardless, I think the Ashari mythology does not stand up to scrutiny by a knowledgeable scholar that follows the Quran and Sunnah properly.
@@davidtaylor3544 One of the scholars of Quran (tafsir) were asharis liks al Qurtubi, As Sujuti and Hadith scholars like An Nawawi, Ibn Hajar and Bayhaqi. The irony is that salafis still to this day use their works🤣
@@davidtaylor3544 brother the interpretation of certain verses is left to Allah and only the prophet knows and fully understands the Quran. we laymens cannot because the Quran is such a miracle that no one can produce anything like it. one of the miracles is the fact that you can have thousands of 'correct' interpretations as evident by the different tafsir's by many scholars. no scholar says my tafsir is the right one or my Hadith interpretation is the right one. our job is really that simple to read the many tafsirs out there and most if not all will have a lot in common in interpretation. if you by all means understand the Quran in your correct way and have the ability to produce your own tafsir go ahead. yet be careful because groups like the kawarij and takfirs also produced their own tafsirs. and their tafsirs we know is wrong. so that's way the Quran isn't a game it takes careful dedicated time and full trust in Allah to guide you give the correct understanding. however this only applies to you if your up for the challenge. we laymens put our trust on reliable scholars who have been historically evident as being trust worthy and sincere in their works so we can learn from them.
if you want to go down your own path of isolation and not follow any scholar and study and interpret the Quran and Hadith to your own understanding you go do that. but don't tell muslims to separate themselves from learned scholars. the pious ones at that too.
Barak Allah Shaykh, this video explains the issue very well.
mashallah very good. Keep uploading
Can you do lecture on tafwid and ta'wil bringing evidences from quran and sunnah and from salaf please. This is needed
I red once that the Wahabi movement was created by Great Britain (during their imperial invasions) as a way to change Islam, don't know how true that is.
All we have is speculation which supports this idea, from the shared interest between both the British and the Saudis (from Ibn Abdulwahhab's time) in their eagerness to remove the Khilafah of the Ottoman Empire; the last standing Islamic Caliphate, as well as the lengthy and detailed testimony of the British spy that was sent to Saudi, along with the current leader of Saudi MBS saying that Saudi has funded the spread of Wahhabism at the request of the west, and other things like leaked classified documents showing it was an effort of the government.
See links below:
Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the Middle East
www.sunna.info/antiwahabies/wahhabies/htm/spy1.htm
The Birth of al-Wahabi Movement and its Roots
irp.fas.org/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf
@@UmarElhashmi Memoirs of Mr Hempher is a fabrication by the way.
@@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim LOL, wallahi you immature jahils are so beyond predictable, it's hilarious.
For the record kiddo, the wahhabis themselves used the terms "wahhabi" and "najdi" in THEIR OWN BOOK TITLES when referring to their little cult. The fact that you are unaware of this truly goes to show you're still an infant and that I'm wasting my time even replying to you.
And LOOOOL promotes a madkhali like Shamsi who barely knows Arabic or English 🤣🤣🤣🤡. You jahils never cease to entertain wallahi. May God guide you.
No doubt it is true. The british and kow usa are protecting the saudi kingdom which in turn supports the salafi ahaykhs. The saudi kings and wahhabi scholars both help each other. Watch bro hajj videos on najdi dawah about abdul wahhab and his criminal background. Lawerence of arabia even said the saudis are being supported by other british spies. The massacre of basra in 18th century by the saudi/wahhabis were found to be using british weapons this is from an Ottoman source the muhadeen who liberated basra from the filthy saudi/wahhabis!
Salafi's reject the idea of Mazhab and claim to follow Quran and Sunnah directly. This contraditcts the very foundation of having a Hanbali (or the other 3 Mazhabs)
Hanbali's like the other school of Fiqh accept Ijma' as a source of Jurisprudice (after Quran and Sunnah). Salafis seem (at least in practice) reject that idea.
There are differences in Aqida.
More signifcant is that many Salafis seem to reject other opinions and schools in Fiqh and Aqidah, which the Hanbalis don't. **That means even if Salafis would equal Hanbalis in Aqida and Fiqh (which they don't), when the Salafis reject other Madhabs and Aqidah schools, than they become clearly different form Hanbalis. **
Also Salafis reject Tassawuf completely, Hanbalis do not.
And the most important Point: Salafis by their ideologoy do not like to be associated with a certain mazhab, aqeeda, manaj, etc. That means there might be Salafi Scholars that accept Mazhabs completely, while others call people who folloow Mazhabs Kufaar. Both are of course extreme cases. Because this ambiguity with Salafis, but not with Hanbalis, they become something completely different.
Also Hanbalis are accepted and embraced by all Sunni scholars as part of Ahlus-sunnah-wal-jamaa'a. Salafis are not. Very often because of the fitnah they create, but also because of the ambiguity. (You can't accept that you don't know).
In conclusion: Salafis and Hanbalis are completely different things and can actually not be compared (e.g. apple vs oranges). Some Salafis might be pretty much Hanbalis, others might have absolutely nothing to do with it. Hanbalis are definitly Sunni. Salafis very often not due to their differences in Fiqh and Aqidah, but mostly due to their rejection of other schools and the ambiguity of their own fiqh and aqidah.
Salafis claim to follow Hanbali madhab because they know that they cannot pray, fast, give zakat without following the authority of any of the four imams as all other valid schools of Ahl us Sunnah Wal Jamah are extinct.
Why did you wrote an essay. Ask any salafi they clearly say they are not hanbali
@@wojak5308 you’re welcome
Akhi, What's you proof Salafis reject Madhab? Salafis say follow the Madhab, the Sxholar based on evidence on an issue, but don't follow any Madhab blindly. Even Madeena Uni teaches all different madhabs , but the priority is the evidence
@@AbuMoosaasome Salafis accept madhab but you also have a strand of salafism caled la madhab as he said there’s ambiguity salafism is a spectrum
@@zainhanifmiah No Salafi rejects Madhabs. We respect, honour and take ilm from All four Aimma and all others past and present. But we do not blind follow any Imam. We follow Madhabs based on evidence, just as the Imams have said to not follow their opinion if it contradict evidence
The Ithbat of the salaf regarding the divine attributes is because that is mention in the text not because having that to be literal.
Alhamdulillah the video is out.
SubhanAllah, finally Salafism is being dismantled.
Great work. Please translate their videos as well to expose them
BarakAllahu feek, amazing video❤
You were missed dearly!! Where have you been?!
Nauuzubillah.. Uthaymeen has A LOT to answer in front of Allah in the Day of Judgement ! May Allah safeguard us from the Salafism sect and mindset and keep us upon the aqeedah of the *JUMHUR* of muslims.
@masudsaleh5155well, well, well. so who was Uthaymeen ? Hadith xpert ? Fiqh expert ? Aqeedah expert ? or just a small fry who propogate aqeedah of Taymiyyah and Ibn Wahab and not the aqeedah of salafus soleh ? This video is as clear day sunny day exposing him. He has A LOT to answer in akhirah !
Thanks a lot ya sheikh
Jazak Allah ya akhi. Can you also review salafi videos like you did with abdurrahman hasan? Like assim al hakim or other big salafis that are active on social media. We need people to refute there fatawa and creed that they attribute to the salaf and the ijmaa of the ummah. Maybe they should call themselves ahlul ijmaa, the way every opinion of them is suddenly ijmaa.
Wa iyyak and yes inshaAllah
If Islam is so clear why is there so many disagreements on all fundamental aspects.
What was clarified throughout the video was that Islam has held the agreement on the principles in Aqeedah and have not been differed upon. Other things that are more minor details have been differed upon because there is room for it in Islam, no issues if you believed one over the other such as in things like whether you believe Allah has an attribute called a Hand that is not a limb (some scholars), or you believe that was a metaphor (other scholars) doesn’t change the fact that both understandings include a negation of body parts and limbs for Allah, which is the principle that’s been agreed upon- that Allah is not a physical entity.
The principle is agreed upon, the other stuff is okay to differ on and Islam has room for that just like the differences within jurisprudential issues
What disagreements on fundamental aspects are you talking about? All of Ahlul Sunnah agree on the "fundamental aspects." They wouldn't be Muslim if they didn't. Not sure what point you're trying to get at here.
"disagreements on fundamental aspects" comes from a relatively recent creation: the pseudosalafi cult.
@@snakejuce Sunni and Shia are practically 2 different religions. You also find disagreements in regard to what is shirk. Tawussul and istighatha, is the Quran the literal speech of Allah, does Allah have a body, is music allowed, what is bidah, has the Quran been preserved. You can name anything you will find disagreements or 100 different opinions. Can you name things all Muslims agree with?
@@seektruth581 Lolwut? Shia are considered Muslims now? You need to get educated and actually learn.
Your premises are infantile, no offense.
Alhamdulillah, Great video🤲🏼
Brother, it will be beneficial if your longer videos can be presented in a podcast format. Barakallahu feek
You mean the visual setup ?
@@UmarElhashmi nah, just audio only so can listen in the car or have the audio playing with the screen off which you can't do when listening on CZcams. The audio only format is better for longer recordings imo. May Allah bless you. But do what is easy for you.
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Alhamdulillah, a great explanation! may Allah keep you steadfast sidi shaykh. By the way I have sent you a DM and would appreciate if you had the time to respond when possible inshaAllah
@@nadeematif1993 it's important to support those that are on the same manhaj, and I hope he responds to my DM InshaAllah
We do follow Qur'an and sunnah upon the salaf. We do not deviate from the Qur'an and sunnah. Which the Asha'irah and Maturidiyyah have struggles doing. aka (Doing ta'weel, or tafweedh or claiming kalam nafsi.)
The Ahlul sunnah wal jamaah is the ahlul athar stated in a narration.
ta'weel and tafweed are from the salaf, so whats your point.
and state me the narration that ahlusunnah are ahlu l athar, remember to make sure that it is from the prophet saw.
great work brother
I remember my teacher said "Some wahabi believe God has literal two hands and both of hands are right hands. It's like someone said your face is like a dog but it's not ugly and it's a face of beautiful dog. They know it's imperfection for human being if human with two right hands but be stubborn to attribute some physical defects to God and wrap it up with the words 'Beautiful not like creation' or 'Befits His Majesty'"
I mean it is literally in the Quran and Sunnah, explained like that by the prophet ﷺ.
Do you love? Do you see? Do you hear?
Does Allah love? Does Allah see? Does Allah hear?
Do you exist?
Does Allah exist?
Can you compare these attributes of yourself with the ones of Allah? Is it now a defect in his seeing that your seeing is defective? No, of course not. The cognitive dissonance to accept all the sifaat except for what you consider bodily parts. No Salaf ascribed weakness or deficiency to Allah and even if it is clear that he has hands in the text, there is no deficiency instead for the feeble minded
@@Bilal-ys6df- you are comparing the love, hearing, seeing and existence of humans to the Love, Hearing, Seeing and Existence of Allah SWT!!!??????!!!
Don't you realise you are committing kufr by doing so?
These are NOT the same!
Our existence is totally different from Allah's Existence.
Our seeing, hearing, loving is totally different from Allah's Seeing, Hearing, Loving.
Allah SWT has no need of ears, eyes, heart, arms, elbows, hands, fingers, legs shins, feet. When such words are used in the Texts in regards to Allah SWT, they are as used by all human languages - figures of speech /metaphors /idioms.
They are mutashabihaat.
Not to be taken Literally.
@@mikhan5191 you seem like you lack reading comprehension. How did you deduce all of this nonsense from what the brother wrote!
@@Bilal-ys6df We know what is "literally" in the Quran. We also know that certain things are NOT taken literally.
Do you also take this literally? “Everywhere you turn there is the face of God.” 2:115
It's remarkable how deviant the wahhabis are, all while claiming that ASWJ are the one's who are deviant. There is Ahlul Sunnah, and then there is the pseudosalafi cult... a cult which has NOTHING to do with ASWJ.
@@mikhan5191 I don’t know if you read my comment fully. I am saying, we have attributes that are named the same like Allah’s attributes, but there is no comparison. Whatever you can imagine is not Allah, because he is above our imagination. So far we agree. You just throw that principle under the bus when talking about Allah’s hands for example.
You apply one logic to love, hearing and sight and one to shin and arms, which is hypocritical.
Nobody mentioned that Allah needs anything except for you. He does what he wants
If the quran was preserved like hadiths brother then it would have daif verses and sahih verses. The reality is we must accept the quran is preserved by god and the hadith preserved by men and not conflate them nor give credit to men when it was god who says he will be the quran's preserver.
brother when i bring this matter to a salafi follower that they should stick to the majority of the muslims and not deviate they say that in the quran Allah said majority don't believe( 'And if you were to obey most of the people, they would misguide you from the path of Allah. '). How do i explain to them after they say that? JazakAllahu khayr.
Majority of people is not Majority of Muslims. Cite the Hadith about the Majority of Muslims, and demonstrate that the verse was talking about people on earth and not Muslims, as for Islam, it is preserved through the majority as the prophet (saw) explained. It is impossible for the majority of Muslim scholars with independent research to reach the same conclusion about Aqeedah if that conclusion is inaccurate. As their conclusion represents "what we believe in as Muslims"
Mashallah
All muslims should follow the Quran and the Sunnah and indeed they follow them.
I saw a disturbing tweet 7 days ago it read: "it's better for you to be a zaani upon the correct aqeedah, than be an ashari or maturidi who is chaste."
The more disturbing part is they all mostly believe this with the exception of a few, except this jahil was jahil enough to tweet it publicly... it has 176 likes and a bunch of retweets.
These khanazeer have NOTHING to do with the deen.
Wow.
That's wild.
What zaani means ?
Is it better to be a chaste salafi or a zaani asha’ri?
@@UmarElhashmi I can't post links in the replies (unless I'm a mod on this channel), or else I would've linked the tweet. It's still up, believe it or not. Disgusting rhetoric. Even some commenters agreeing and making even WORSE comments, it's absolutely wild.
I really hope you respond to the video done by Abu Mus’ab Wajdi Akkari.
Me too
Is funny right?
Allah can hear everybody and every person in the world "at the same moment and at the same time" so i can ask "how" is that Possible?
The same way he asking "how" can Allah be above? Bro you can not know with your intellect or logic "how" it is or how it works of Allah to be above...
Allah also said we send revelation "down" and so on..
It is even in the fitrah that we say Allah is above..
@@AlbaMBBTplease understand that saying God is literally above the heavens as in a direction is limiting God. It's also absurd to take those things literally like saying Allah descends in the last third of the night to the lowest heavens. If you say this is literal then he is always in the lowest heaven because it's always the last third of the night for someone on the earth because the earth is a sphere. But I thought he is above the heavens according to you? It's weird to me.
its easy to understand as for Bi’la Ma’na, A word will not become a word if it has no meaning, that’s the rules of language as per bi’la kayfiyya, it does make sense because some terms or words doesn’t need description like air?can you describe air?NO it’s has no modality to it. , for a description is subject to sensory. that’s why it should be translated into without kayfiyya, that’s it. Salafis always fail in logic and rationality.
These new comments sending La’nah upon you and Takfiring you are funny to see 😂. May Allah protect you from their barks, ameen.
Bismillah
very well explained !
Akh you got an audio for this?
Can u talk about tawassul and istighata with reference of the salafs ? Of the asharis aqeedah plz
Masha Allah ✌🏻
Good stuff brother
U lost me in first 30 seconds, salafis who came abt last few hundred yrs.
The fact that you are this much of a jahil comes as no surprise to most of us anymore, wallahi.
Do you truly believe he was referring to the actual salaf, and not making a distinction between the cult of the pseudo-salafis who were a relatively recent creation?
It seems you didn't want to listen in the first place lol, you're just making some inane excuse to justify to your ego why you won't.
cry lol
In Arabic, there is a difference between the words 'salaf' (predecessors) and 'salafi' (person pretending to follow the salaf).
In the first 30 seconds, he was speaking of the 'salafi' movement developed in the last few hundred years ago... it's easy to understand ^^
@@al_worshiper6086 so ibn wahhab invented a new movement?, The young man said wahabbies , ahlal hadith and salafis as same which started in last few hundred yrs. Do explain whats this new movement beliefs , madhab, aqeedah etc that is different to sahabas and salaf methodology? As it is easy for you.
Ahki did you actually watch the video? @@asadm9522
Assalamu Alaykum brother, is there a way i can contact you at all?
Akhee, you said you need an ijaazah to debate or discuss these issues with someone as you are still on a program. Akh why do you speak about these issues then? Is this the way of Ahlus Sunnah?
Akhi. Understand my words. I made it very clear that debate is a subject of its own. It is a skill set. That being the case, in order to indulge in it I want to have the permission of my teacher after having been tested and tutored properly on the skill of debate. I have permission to teach in Aqeedah. I do not in debate. I will speak on Aqeedah matters, but I will not indulge in debate until 2 years from now when I get my permission Insha Allah. It’s not difficult to understand.
Nobody said until i possess the skill to debate, that I have to be silent and cannot teach. That’s plain stupidity. Someone possessing the skill of debate can easily win in a debate against an unskilled person even if they are upon falsehood. As I’ve repeated, it is a skill that I have yet to be trained in.
Again, who says that in order to teach Aqeedah or Fiqh, I have to be skilled in the art of debate? Nobody, so enough of that
One can be very knowledgeable and know his stuff inside out, but just doesn’t possess the ability to teach it or structure a class.
The exact same here. I have the knowledge to defend my positions very well, but to structure it in debate format and to know how to elaborate on the knowledge that’s in my head is very difficult for me and I’m getting there.
Wait until I get my ijazah and until then, go study and learn something and we’ll see you in the audience of my first debate inshallah
Sound good?
Cool
Salams
We need more voices and presence for the true ASWJ, the salafi dawah has gone on unchallenged (online) for too long, may Allah guide us all.
You are doing good work as well Shaykh, جزاك الله خيرًا
@@-Ahmed8592 I am not Shaykh (yet) bro 🤭, but thanks, wa antum fajazakumullah khair.
i totally agree. It is time for Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah rise up and debunk their skewed aqidah.
My teachers would appreciate the way you summarised the refutation however they do not watch videos is why I ask you to please compile this video as a book.
16:23 - Ummah is divided into many groups. There is no single large body of Ummah in terms of number. Every country follows their own interpretation of Islam. Main body of Ummah means Muslims who follow Quran and Sunnah.
Main body of "ummah" means main body of muslims brother. Ummah=muslims. The 73 sects are created within the ummah (muslims).
@@toaa4734 This 73 sects has wide variety of Aqeedah. Many of the times, they declared disbelievers each other. For example, extreme Sufi groups sometimes think Allah is everywhere. If you worship a dog, that means you are worshipping Allah. Are these groups within 73 sects?
Aslam alaycum can you do video on sufism and hadra dhikr and awliyahs.
Yes are there any blessing to be had at the graves
All i know is that the wahabis have succeeded in dividing the ummah throughout the world
Rasool sallal laahu alaihi wa sallam had prophesized that the Ummah will be devided. Only saved victorious sect will be Rasool sallal laahu alaihi wa sallam and his Sahabah Radhi Allahu anhum. So everyone after them must be what they were upon. Salafi Aqeedah and Manhaj is that saved victorious group
@@AbuMoosaa Calling Allah's attributes as a physical makeup of living beings is one of the corruptions of Ahlul Biddat Salafis.
@@NiceGuy88 nonsense Lol you yourself use intellect, logic and philosophy to change the Quran or what Allah said about himself..
When Allah said he is above we accepted it we dont ask "How" becouse we dont know how it works for Allah he is different than his creation nothing is like Allah.
The same way Allah can see and hear everybody and everything at the same moment and time? We dont ask who? Becouse you dont know how Allah does it..
It is even in the fitrah that we know that Allah is above is very easy.
Or you trying to ask Allah and the prophet saws had no different words to use or prophet saws forgot to explain the Quran or that Allah is not above? Come on bro.
Fear Allaah and come back to the understanding of salaf as salih. Don’t blind follow scholars around 1000 AH, and don’t claim there is consensus while there is not.
Lol thats hilarious coming from a wahhabi who sanctify the teachings of an 18th century deviant.
Can you drop a pdf of your quotes pls
Salam
I don’t have the time to make one
However if you watch along with the video, each and every quote I presented is on the screen along with the author and the source.
Be sure to switch to 1080p so that the text is clear.
Allah bless you ya shaykh
This is a CHALLENGE TO THE SALAFIYYA WHO WILL COME HERE IN THE COMMENT SECTION.
I challenge you
regarding the Al Uluww of Allah issue,
If the salafussaliheen meant that fawqiyya and uluw is a literal elavation aboveness that subject to a direction,
BRING ME A STATEMENT WHERE THE SALAF SAID “ ALLAH IS ABOVE THE THRONE AND ITS BELOW HIS CREATION “ .
If not, then the statement is ambiguous and unclear and its is subject to tafwid or ta’wil.
a ta’wil that doesn’t remove the real meaning of it.
so if the salaf meant it by direction?then Why would Imam tahawi Rahimahullah mention in his book that Allah is not contained by six direction and why the salaf didnt mention what’s in below, if Allah is literally above?if not, you have to do tafwid and accept that it was his loftiness and sovereignty that speaks his aboveness just like Imam Jarir Ibn Tabari RA said who existed before Imam Al’Ash’ari.
Get em Akhi!
See Kitab al-Sunnah by Imam Harb ibn Isma’il al-Kirmani (d. 280). In it, he affirms that Allah is above the Throne and that veils are below Him.
@@mahmudibnabidin 🤣🤦🏻 such a failure, The veil of Allah is light and that is his attributes. its not a creation.
Ibn Al-Qayyim said in Mukhtasar As-Sawaa’iq: “There are texts that call the Lord 'light', and that He has light that is attributed to Him, and that He is the light of the heavens and the earth, and that His Veil is light.
Basically the Attributes of Allah can manifest through a medium to his creation. just like the qur’an and his mercy and anger.
Sheikh dimashqiah has offered to debate umar when he is ready
@@YoungSmirks What is a debate going to do? Let’s be honest most people’s ego won’t let them follow the truth even if it was right in front of them it just causes more fitnah than anything. Hypothetically speaking imagine they debate and Umar wins will all the Salafis just turn to Ashari or Maturidi? Or vice versa if the Salafi Shaykh wins the debate you think the Ashari and Maturidi guys will just become salafi? No it’s gonna be a whole “nope you’ve misinterpreted this and that etc.” in reality everyone will just be speaking a whole lot of nothing. This debate will just be a waste of both parties time.
I was always sitting with salafis is Yemen the amount of bad things they say about every one made my heart dislike them I used to say our forefathers were all shafai n they would say there’s to much biddah in the shafai madhab
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The quran was not preserved in the same way as the hadith.
Are you mad?
sahabah memorized quran and taught it to others also with hadith they memorized then taught
@@isafcb312 im not even ashari what the hell is wrong with you
No he isn't maybe u should go learn
@spreaderofalhaqq tell me one hadith that every single sahaba in Madina knew and could recite verbatim?
There isn't any. The hadith were collected much layer and isnads later still
The quran wasn't done by isnads until later. It was just taught on mass within community. Then it uthmans time it was standardised to a certain extent and then copies sent to main cities
@spreaderofalhaqq the quran is a single word for word (harf) recitation. There isn't scope for narration by meaning, or adding 9r removing your own words. It's a single mass transmitted and taught in groups, so there is no way it could be changed.
The hadith is completely different and the way it was retrospectively changed to fit a narrative shows, its nothing like the quran. Not in its teachings or its preservation.
Hadith are true, but no where near what the quran is and how they were each preserved and transmitted is not the same at all.
Quran was also written down and standardised in time uthman, and written as soon as revealed in some cases.
How can you say hadith are the same?
The question that should be asked is. Why do Wahhabis limit Allah hands to having 2 hands 🙌
Well that’s how many comes across to us in the Qur’an so that’s why ig
Why wahbbais lol leave wahhabis Becouse the Quran says it? Why do we need to ask "how" and use intellect or logic? Or philosophy? Becouse you dont know how that works with Allah..
The same way that Allah is above, the same way that Allah can see everything and everybody in the same moment and at the same time you know how it works or that Allah hears everything and everybody in the same time..
You dont know "how" it works or "how" Allah does that Becouse Allah is different than his creation nothing is like Allah.
The aqeedah is very simple it is even in the fitra that we know that Allah is above.
@@AlbaMBBT how about we use plain facts. If you stop reading Wahhabi translations you’ll understand creation and the creator
@@muwahh1d1 it bad translation we must learn the conditions and limitations of creation so that we may know the creator
@@Gog3453 You dont make any sense? What i said has nothing to do with the Wahabi label..
We know the Creator and we know his creation.
In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
1. Say, “He is God, the One.
2. God, the Absolute.
3. He begets not, nor was He begotten.
4. And there is nothing comparable to Him.”
This is a clear statement by God describing Himself to humanity without any room for confusion.
Maby you need to stop using philosophy becouse you "will" never understand "the unseen" or Allah his names and attributes or "how' Allah does things or "how" Allah is with your lil brain, intellect, logic or philosophy.. We must follow the tekst..
The same way we dont know "how" Allah is above or how that works for Allah is the same way we dont know how Allah can hear and see everything and everybody at the same time and at the same moment? You can not understand that with your intellect, logic or philosophy..
Allah said: Indeed, it is We who have "sent down" to you, [O Muhammad], the Qur'an progressively.
We also can argu that it is in the fitrah that we know that Allah is above..
If Allah was not above the Prophet Muhammad saws would have told us that right? Becouse it is important to know that? He would have explained it.. or used other words and so on..
But yeah have a nice day..
Wahhabism?? Whats wrong with them?? They are sunni just as you are sunnis?? What ia wrong with your mind?? This is not the way of the Prophet to demonize some of the believers? Are the maturidis and asharis are the only people from whom you can find pios Muslims ❤?? That genuinely believes that the only authority in religion are the Noble Qur'an & Sunnah with the understanding of the 2 blessed generations after the time of the Prophet???
Imam abul hassan al ashari came later on in the history of Islam, centuries after the salaf...
What is the creed of the Majority of Muslims? Before imam hassan al-ash'ari?? ??
These famous scholars of our history are humans like us, they are not angels or prophets. They aren't infallible... So stop demonizing the other sunni schools, and historically asharis gain prominence after the siljuk muslim empire rose to power in baghdad.
I am a lay Muslim and i love all the sunnis... Athari, ash'aris & maturidis... They are all valid schools of islamic theology and i just wanna remind you that Allah, Glorious and exalted is the Absolute and penackle of mystery... We can never fully understand His being these are all ijtihad of our scholars....
What we know for sure is that our Lord, is One, Unique and absolutely perfect in all manners...
Inshallah Ta'ala we will see the demise of the Salafi fitna dividing the Sunni ummah.
real
You’re misconstruing a lot of sayings from ibn Uthaymeen smh, the aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah is found in the Quran, unlike Asharis, Maturidis, Jahmiyyah, etc
how can he misconstrue something that's taken from direct lectures of his. ive heard the same things too. if the aqeedah was found in the Quran like you said it was there would be a thousand different aqeedahs. the aqeedah is found from the prophet SAW.
1:03:24 ya akhi ‘Umar I am really disappointed with many of the things you are bringing up here. Al-Qadi Abu Ya’la had many retractions and changed creedal views multiple times; this is well known. One example is that in al-Riwayatayn al-Wajhayn, Imam Abu Ya’la argued that Allah is not described with a hadd, but in his later book, Ibtal al-Ta’wilat, he affirmed that Allah has a hadd in the direction of the Throne. Likewise, Abu Ya’la initially negated jihah (direction) from Allah but then later affirmed it! As was mentioned by his student, Ibn Hamdan al-Hanbali, “The last position of al-Qadi Abu Ya’la is the affirmation of al-jihah (direction).” This is found in Nihayah al-Mubtadi’in (p. 33). In fact, another Ash’ari brother himself rebuked you on Twitter for appealing to al-Qadi’s quote here! He mentioned to you already that Ibn Hamdan clarified Abu Ya’la’s final stance, so were you unaware of what he said to you?
Both positions are attributed to him because abu Ya'la's own son narrated only his tanzih and not his tashbih. But as sh. Fodeh said about the issue, the correct position is that abu Ya'la was later a mujassim and not in his mid years, and his son was himself a munazih, hence out of respect for his father narrated from him only what was of sound creed.
How would you refute salafis who say that their belief of Allah being above His throne is in line with the statement if imam Tahawi; where he states that Allah is not in direction.
The salafis say that Allah is not in any created directions such as north, east, south, and west. Rather, He is outside of His creation and above His throne.
The reality is that Salafis just don’t understand what they themselves say. What does one mean by the statement “neither east west north or south but still above” ?
Honestly until they answer the question of what Above means without claiming the earth is flat - they’ll stay confused in this idea.
Above is something relative to each individual. My above in America is different to your above in Saudi Arabia, they point to two very distinct opposite areas of the universe. Saying Allah is ‘above the universe’ holds no reality because above is a relative direction there is no such thing as above in the meaning that it has literally. That’s why we say above the throne in terms of his superiority over all things. Not a literal place of being above
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يا مُشبه، اتق الله.
@@UmarElhashmiBut that is nonsense you dont know "how" it works for Allah to be above you can not understand that with your intellect? Allah is different than his creation nobody and nothing is like Allah.
Allah also can hear everybody in existence in the same time and moment how is that? Possible? You can not understand that with your intellect or logic..
Allah sees everybody and everything every human individual at the same time at the same moment so you dont make any sense to reject what Allah said about himself that he is Above an now you come here oo oo how is that Possible this and that? Allah also said we send revelation down?
E for Effort but you’re atleast 10-15 years away from being qualified to speak on these matters.
Feels like a kid peaking from the bottom of the screen playing pretend. Put your ego aside and continue student life studying the deen under the scholars till you generate their wisdom and knowledge.
honest question are you a salafi/wahabi?😄
If he has ijazah to speak then who are you to say anything about qualifications.
try debunking wat ur salafi scholar said regarding the hand.. the face of Allah first.. how it really not align to wat imam ahmad n the real hanbali scholars hv stated.. stop hijacking islam… truth always prevails… may Allah guide u.. aammiiiiiinn..
Tell me you're a triggered wahhabi jahil 🤡 without telling me.
You are young, so you are not qualified! Such an argument you're making brother!
10:58 i do not care about numbers. I care about quality. The most qualified. The most experienced.
You do not care about the numbers ? 🤣 so how do you know that person is THE MOST QUALIFIED ? who will qualified him ? the minority or the majority ?
و عليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته. تعلم اولن. ان شاء الله.
Refuted by abu musan
😅 that was refutation or blam game
Ashri are jahiliyah according to great salaf scholar 2023 your salaf are from 1900 + 😂
@@nsayyed5469Is funny right?
Allah can hear everybody and every person in the world "at the same moment and at the same time" so i can ask "how" is that Possible?
The same way he asking "how" can Allah be above? Bro you can not know with your intellect or logic "how" it is or how it works of Allah to be above...
Allah also said we send revelation "down" and so on..
It is even in the fitrah that we say Allah is above..
Where the the three geeneratios Asharia and Maturidi? Was Bukhari ashaira? Was Abu Bakr ra asharia? Omar ra Maturidi? Aisha ra? Ashaira?
You guys are funny
@@AlbaMBBT Allah is above the Throne as the Quran says istiwa but how can Allah be in a makaan, a place, if he created all things and the makaan is a created thing? Can Allah then be encompassed by his own creation? Audhubillah.
What mazhab is this brother?
Hanafi
was Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him A hanafi?@@MMA_editz
WHY WOULD PROPHET MUHAMMED BE HANAFI? you know why madhabs exists? its because of difference of opinion why would prophet have madhab while he knows what is true because of the revelation even when he was alive sahaba were going in ikhtilaf on some issue and they were coming to prophet saw and they were finding the answer but after his death we cant go and ask which one is true so people differed on ijtihad which prophet saw said if mujtahid makes mistake he gets 1 good deed if his correct he gets 2 good deed@@mukhtar768
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@@mukhtar768hanafi in fiqh and yeah there are modern questions that weren't directly asked to the prophet but are extracted by scholars from his teaching ie sunnah and from quran and their ijtihad these ijtihad ofcourse have difference in opinion which are classified as names like hanafi, shafi
burikta !
Was Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him a hanafi?
No he was a "muslim"