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By Ash'ari & Maturidi, it is a reference to the principles that are compiled under these two methodologies in order to understand the Quran, Sunnah, and statements of the Salaf, in a way that is not contradictory with each other, nor with the absolute intellect- all being in harmony and free of absurdities and inconsistencies.
This includes the Imams of the Madhabs, such as Imam Abu Hanifah, Maalik, and al-Shafi'i, and a detailed video covering their Aqeedah texts and clarifying doubts and false claims will be made in the future inshaAllah.
No Ash'ari rejects any of Allah's attributes, and this was explained in the following video from minute 5:00 :
• EXPOSED: The Salafis' ...
Learn the truth from people with qualifications, avoid listening to ignorant people with no credentials. Your next life depends on who you give your ear to in this life.
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Introduction
0:42 IMPORTANT (don't skip)
2:33 Ready?
3:36 The Hanafi Madhab
5:04 The Maliki Madhab
5:52 The Shafi''i Madhab
6:41 Extreme Arrogance of People Today
7:54 Top Reputable Islamic Universities
8:33 Imam Malik's Famous Quote
10:12 Summary
10:32 He Who Says: "Ash'aris are Jahmis"
now i'm looking forward to wednesday for your new video upload. Thanks for the effort put. May Allah bless.
Wednesday won’t be the video of the Imams aqeedah yet
I have very limited time, I only do videos on Friday because it’s the day I have no classes.
There’s still a few things I wanted to touch on before the Imams’ Aqeedah video inshaAllah
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Jazakallah Khair
Alhamdulillah barakallahu feek akhi Umar 👍
In the same way we can also see that the majority of the ummah are Sufis. Ibn Abidin for example was the murid of Mawlana Khalid al Baghdadi.
NO AKHI, AND RASOULALLAH AND THE SAHABAAH? ATHARİ.
@BeefMeat45 you are wrong, the word athari didn't even exist then.
@fabros9290 THE word didn't exist, but the athari creed defines the aqeedah of RasoulAllah saw and the sahaba R.A.
The word ashari or maturidi, did these words exist? You have to read the books of Imam abu haneefah himself and make your conclusion. Maturidi asks where Allah was before he created his arsh? While imam abu haneefa and the other madhab imams claim it to be a bidah asking such questions. Wasn't İslam completed ? Yes, it was, while RasoulAllah saw was still alive. The madhab imams didn't bring anything new to islam. Nobody asked a question about the creed, they heard and accept it. Go read books of abu haneefah, and see yourself. I guess you are hanafi. Imam abu haneefah Rahmatoullahi aleyh was a big scholar BTW.
@@BeefMeat45 Yes the method was tafwid for the mutashabihaat. This is also the method of the ashari and the maturidi. They only do tawil to remove doubts from the minds of those infected with tajsim (ex christians who think God has a body who came to Islam) but all 3 schools of aquida have the same belief. The only difference is that most of the Salaf only allowed tafwid. While the later scholars had to deal with those who were already infected with deviant ideas and could not just believe based on what they were taught.
@@fabros9290 This is a very understandable answer brother. You are the first one that gave me this answer. And like I said, it's very logical, to minimize the falsehood of the ones who were already astray. Barakallahou feek akhi.
Great video may Allah bless you...
And keep you in conformity to good adab as you are ... unlike your opponents who use vile language
Mashallah❤ congratulations 🎉
Keep up the good work, brother. Looking forward to the next!
لا تنس مذهب الحنابلة وطريقتهم في أصول الدين
ما نسيناهم لكن يجب أن يكون لمذهبهم شرح خاص لأن الناس يظنون أن السلفية المعاصرة هم الحنابلة و ليس كذلك فإذا ذكرت الحنابلة مختصرا جدا كما فعلت المذاهب الأخرى، ممكن يلتبس الأمر و يظنون أنني دافعت عن الوهابية و عقيتهم
لكن سيأتي فيديو أبين فيه العقيدة السليمة من الحنابلة و أن الإمام أحمد ليس مجسما مثل سلفية اليوم
يا جهمي ما الفرق بين عقيدتي وعقيدة البربهاري الذي امامك ابو الحسن الضال ذهب ليتوب عندة
@@UmarElhashmi
@MA-dp5zh Why are you accusing him of being a Jahmi. You're probably the one who follows Tajsimi Tashbeehi ideologies, then claim that "this is the path of the salaf," when in fact, it's the opposite. If you read Sharh-us-Sunnah of Al-Barbahari, he actually accepts Tafweed (تفويض) so according to you, Imam Al-Barbahari is a Jahmi🤣. Lanauuzubillah. Go read Imam Ahmad ibn Hamdans Aqidah, where he quotes Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal saying "الله لا جسم و لا عرض و لا جوهر"
@@MA-dp5zhImam Al-Barbahari accepts Tafweed-ul-Ma'na. Imam Ahmad ibn Hamdan quotes Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Aqidah, saying "الله لا جسم و لا عرض و لا جوهر" why call the brother a Jahmi?
Mashallah ❤
Looks like a good channel. How would you reply to the idea that limiting the sifat al mana indicates tatil of the omitted Sifat?
SubhanAllah
MashAllah well explained. Would just say include hanbalis too
I agree
I agree, hanbalis are our brothers even if we differ on some matters
brother please can you make a video of the Tabari position as many salafis use it
Umar how can I learn the things you did. Is there a potential to study under your teacher. As I can’t find any plans on ibn hashim institute
May Allaah bless you brother for your efforts. I fear the shallow pseudo salafis have had free reign for too long and as a result have caused severe damage and confusion within the ummah and it is good to see people like yourself trying to reverse that. As always, the waters are very muddied with false accusations and misunderstandings. May Allaah keep you steadfast.
my dear brother, saying "xyz was maturidi" is not a proof of their creed. what would much more effective is if you had proven from their books that they are of xyz creed.
format suggestions:
1- define what makes someone an Ashari and Maturidi
2- present the differences
3- present scholars known to be Ashari and Maturidi
4- provide proof from their own works or commentaries that they were indeed Ashari and Maturidi
5- show us why the salafi claim of "they became salafi" is wrong, via using the previously mentioned scholars last books and from books of tabaqat.
nudge nudge wink wink to those who claimed Allah literally got 2 right hands.. a shin.. n a face… nauzubillah min zalik….
Dear brother,
This would be a format for a completely different type of video
As for cases like Imam Al-Nawawi whose Aqeedah is not explicitly known as “I’m Ashari” - I have a video already that did exactly what you mentioned, and went to his own works and demonstrated from his own speech that he believed the Ash’ari madhab was the Madhab of Ahlulsunnah.
This will be the format of the video I am doing on the Imams of the Madhabs themselves such as Imam Abu Hanifah himself, since he came before Imam Maturidi. He could not have been called Maturidi by name, so was the Maturidis aqeedah in line with Abu Hanifah’s or do they refuse to follow him in Aqeedah?
For this and the other imams of the Madhabs, a detailed look will be given with their works present and read from.
The video I made here is in a different format because it is too well known that the authors of the leading works in the Madhabs were Ash’ari and Maturidi. I don’t need to go into any detail, it isn’t unclear for someone who just does a simple google search on the scholars’ names.
All this video did was list out and show the most relied upon works in the Madhabs, because that is what people may not know. But whether they were Ash’ari or Maturidi- that is well known.
Similar to one saying: “This Imam was a Muhaddith”, but not bringing proof from his works to show that he was a Muhaddith, or from books of Tabaqaat to ‘prove’ it.
If he makes the statement that so-and-so was a Muhaddith, it is obviously because he has done the work to look into this scholar, and he concluded that he was a Muhaddith. He doesn’t need to then show books and explain texts of theirs to everyone he wants to talk about this scholar to.
If someone thinks that is false, he may proceed to go do the research and check to see who the scholars were, and then conclude why he is not a Muhaddith. Then and only then will a detailed video be required where we would bring out their works and demonstrate how by reading their texts, etc.
If someone thinks I am making it up, they can do the work I’ve already done and look the scholars up and see where and how they are not Maturidi or Ash’ari.
They’ll end up concluding that they were Maturidi and Ash’ari anyway.
@@UmarElhashmiakhi.. do make that video.. their salafi sheikh asim claimed imam nawawi is on their side.. n still bring the age old story of al ibanah to b lapped by his fanboys..
Maturidi and Asyaari ARE the creed.
Salaf as Salih are the generations from Sahabah, Tabiin, to Tabit tabiin...
you can't say you become salafi. That's nonsense.
فتح الله عليك يا أستاذ
6:48 "whom Allah accepted their work" 100%
As-salāmu aleykum brother, one question:
The Ash'arī and Māturidī schools of thought came time after the 4 big Imāms. So my question - do they share the same creed with Abi Hanīfa, Mālik, Shāfi'ī, Ahmad etc.?
If yes, where can we check it, and where can we check that those schools of thought are corresponding to the creed of the Sahaba/Salaf r.a. ?
Another question is how can we say that the topic of Allahs attributes are part of furu' ad-dīn? How can we day that there are legitimate differences of opinion? Shouldn't Aqīda be Qat'ī?
Jazākumullāhu khayran!
Barakallahu fīkum
Wa alaykum assalam,
They did, we will have a look at their statements on Aqeedah in a future video inshaAllah, I purposefully left it iut in this video because this was a concise representation of some of the most relied upon scholars throughout our history, and it was well known their Aqeedah so we didn’t have to go into their works
But for the Imams we will go in their works and demonstrate that it is in alignment with the Ash’ari and Maturidi Aqeedah
No guarantee when yet bc I am very busy but sometime it will be on this channel no doubt inshaAllah.
@@UmarElhashmi Barakallāhu fīkum, another question: why do we stick to the Names Ash'arī and Maturidī? With all respect they came as I said time after the first Generations... Was there no Aqīda to that time?
@morrislombardi The same reason we say Maliki Shafi’i Hanbali Hanafi, simply the attribution to the scholars who first compiled the principles of the Aqeedah and Fiqh of the Salaf, because during the Salaf’s time it wasn’t compiled as a set of principles, just like the books like Bukhari and Muslim, compilations of the statements of the prophet ﷺ, these are names of Madhabs which are compilations of principles of the Aqeedah and fiqh of the Salaf
Same thing with Nahw, the first to put down the principles is often referred to as the founder of Nahw, when he never founded anything he just compiled the rules of Arabic Grammar that the Arabs the Sahabah and the Quran all used- for the purpose of allowing others to understand the speech of the Sahabah and prophet ﷺ
The Maturidi creed is identical to the beliefs of abu hanifa ra and Ibn masud rd
Allah humare sab gumrah bhai ko sahih raah par le aaye
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وابركاته
I study in a deobandi minded institute, here the scholars don't have a very good opinion of al azhar. Overall they say its fine however it has modernised too much. Some of the things they mention to substantiate this is how azhar allows the trimming of beard below the length of one fist and shaking hands with the opposite gender amongst other things.
Seeing as you study in azhar or a institute with the same mindedness (where do you study btw?) can you please clarify at least the 2 points mentioned? Why does azhar allow trimming of the beard below one fist length and the shaking hands with the opposite gender?
According to what I've learnt based on clear evidence. these 2 things are impermissible/haram. Though I wish to understand the other point of view as well.
جزاك الله خير.
Azhar doesn’t permit it, the madhab permits it. This is based on many factors the main one being Abdullah Ibn Umar trimming his beard
@@jtb229 right. But that was only till 1 fist length.
One question and I don't understand.
You said some scholars were specialists in Fiqh, or Aqeedah, or Tafsir.
You say that like they're mutually exclusive, a lot of scholars were specialised in both or multiple fields in Fiqh and Hadith, one example is Imam Malik and Imam Shafi.
Why do you propose it like its mutually exclusive?
Assalamu Alaykum
Those who specialized in a specific field are the reference points, and the scholars who were not specialized in that field are used as supporting figures if they agree with the Faqeeh.
But if they disagree, we don’t listen to the one who isn’t specialized in the field even though he has knowledge in that field.
Just like a mathematician agreeing with a scientist- he is a supporting figure, but if they differed, everyone would listen to the scientist despite the mathematician having studied science in school as well.
As for those who were specialized in multiple, they were the Mujtahideen (that’s what makes someone a mujtahid-that he has proficiency and specialty in all the major fields) like Imam Malik and al-Shafi’i like you mentioned, and including Imam Abu Hanifah. These scholars are also reference points for the correct understanding of Aqeedah because they have specialized in that field.
These Imams did not hold beliefs that differed with the Ash’aris nor the Maturidis.
A detailed video on this will be made soon inshaAllah, my time is just very limited currently. But it will be made for sure inshaAllah.
@@UmarElhashmi Thanks
Ya Jahami, Maturidis takfir Shafiah for saying I am a believer inshaAllah
Assalamu Alaykum,
Dear brother,
This is a khilaf lafdhi. It is not a khilaf haqeeqi.
Imam al-Shafi’i didn’t hold a position contradictory to the Maturidis’.
Their positions are both correct and neither of them contradict each other.
This is the difference between someone who has studied with a teacher and someone who reads off of pdfs from an online library without a teacher. The former understands, the latter doesn’t and concludes incorrectly.
Now,
If you don’t understand the mas’alah, or you feel they do contradict and you don’t know what I’m on about, just ask sincerely as a person trying to learn and not one who feels they know it all.
We’re not afraid of questions, we do dislike bad character and name calling though.
If you do sincerely want to learn, just ask, no need for any disrespect.
Otherwise, it isn’t hard to follow the prophet ﷺ when he said: Whoever believes in Allah and the last day should speak good or stay silent.
Assalamu Alaykum
Sidi, can you recommend any Ashari book in english translation inshaAllah.
Kharida al Bahiyyah, A Refined Explanation of the Sanusi Creed, Jawharat at Tawhid.
Also the relevant book from the Ihya and Juwayni's Kitab al Irshad, if I remember the name right
@@_zaaphiel JazakhAllahu khair and may Allah azza wajjal bless you! ameen!
@@GhulamMustafa-pn2xi wa iyyak you as well ameen
ما شاء الله شيخ عمر أنت تريد تتبع أحدا تعجبت لما قلت أن معظم الأمة صوفية
Therefore, we call towards and follow the Quran, the Sunnah and consensus of the Ummah, and we don’t call to ashari , maturidi nor any other path that didn’t even exist at the time of the prophet peace be upon him.
You call to Bin Baz, Albani, Ibn Uthaymeen, Fawzan (khusran) etc, not Qur’an, not Sunnah. For Wahhabis Qur’an and Sunnah are only Slogans to entice the masses.
@@abukarali2966exactly 😅
Does a layman need to know all of these creed to believe? Or this is only for scholars who have the expertise in this filed? And you didn’t mentioned hanabila's why that?
Learning aqeedah is a must on every person
To a certain degree yes. But because of the fitna and division of the salafis its necessary to respond like this
Normally the discussions would take place amongst scholars. Unfortunatly there is a certaim sect that has brought this discussion to the forefront and continuously occupies the Ummah with these subject.
In my opinion these theological matters, which belong to the domain of scholars only distract us from serious matters we are facing.
The Aqeedah of Islam should lead to actions.
Like when Allah swt forbids interest, the Muslim should not only avoid to give and take Riba, rather strive to establish the reality where an interest based system doesn't exsist in society at all. Or when Allah swt forbade the circulation of wealth only amongst elites, or hoarding of wealth, thus applying the economic system of Islam.
Instead of spending hour after hour, year in year out, on being preoccupied with theological philosophy or regarding Islam as some sort of acedemic study. Where we learn just to know or are able to acedemically answer questions in absense of any effect or consequence.
Islam is a practical Deen, so if the study of aqeedah doesn't lead to action, then the subject has not been understood.
It is not that I disagree with defending positions, elaborating or exposing slander. I think it is much needed. And there is a need for a people to take up these tasks. So may Allah reward them. Yet it not of the highest priority regarding the Ummah as a whole.
For example: a hijab ban doesn't only affect the people who pray with their arms aside their body, or only the people who have their arms folded infront of them. Rather it affects us all. While we are occupied with theological philosophy.
Well said akhi.@@Abd.Al-Malik
As a new Muslim who is striving to learn the correct knowledge. How do I know if this channel is a good resource?
Pray to Allah, to keep you on the saved sect. Especially during sijdah, keep saying ٱهْدِنَا ٱلصِّرَٰطَ ٱلْمُسْتَقِيمَ (Guide us along the Straight Path) (Ihdenas siratal mustaqeem).
As New muslim learn about in
1)Life of RasulAllah ﷺ
2)Lifes of the all the Prophets(عليه السلام)
3) Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell fire
Keep studying Basic Tafseer of Quran together in coordination for better understanding
Then you may go for
1) Lives of Sahaba - Rightly guided Caliphs (ra)
2)Lives and struggles of the Imams
You may search these topics, as they usually don't have controversy and they are like said like a story
Don't go into controversial videos.
If you have doubts in Fiqh issues ask a real Mufti .
InshaAllah, May Allah guide us all 🤲
Assalamu Alaykum dear brother. Firstly welcome to Islam, may Allah preserve your deen and accept and keep you on the path of guidance.
Always do research on who the person you’re learning from online is. Never take your knowledge of Islam from someone you don’t know the qualifications or credentials of.
Look for the following:
1) Where they studied
2) How long
3) Who their teachers are
4) and if they have permission to teach a field or subject from their teachers
This ensures that you are learning from a person with a direct chain back to the prophet ﷺ, that you can trust to teach you the correct understanding of Islam as it’s been passed down throughout the years
My biography is written on IbnHashim.com if you go to the institute section and scroll down you’ll see it. Those 4 things are mentioned there, so you’ll know where your knowledge of Islam is coming from.
Lastly always ask Allah for guidance, as He guided you to Islam, so ask Him to guide you to what is correct within Islam.
May Allah keep us all firm on His deen
@@UmarElhashmiAmeen thank you so much for this wonderful advice! I will check out that website now!
Hanbalis are also part of ahl sunnah , dont leave them out , what I mean by the hanbali creed is the creed of the past hanbali scholars and Imam Ahmad RA Himself. There are still scholars and students who follow the hanabilah in aqeedah which is different from the salafi aqeedah. So I request you to include the hanbalis too when u speak of ahl sunnah madhabs(aqeedah) in general
Not that I left them out in the sense that they’re not ahlulsunnah, but that I didn’t mention them here because there needs to be the clarification made that the true athariyyah hanbalis are not represented by the Salafis of today, and since that confusion is widespread today, and people think the Salafi way is the Athari way- I figured it would be best to make a separate video talking about the Hanbali Athari aqeedah where I’d explain this and clarify it and then present the truth about it
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U r not from ahlus sunnah was jamah because u don’t include the aqeeda of imam Ahmad in this :
Some great athari Scholars:
Barbahari
ibn Qudama
Ibn Taymiyah
Ibn Kathir
Imam Dhahabi
ibn Al Qayim
Ibn Al jawzi
Ibn Rajab Al hanbali
Imam Tahawi (even you own hamza Yusuf agrees before u argue)
We have people in Algeria saying that most Algerians are Ashari and you guys are a minority so I did a simple test I asked random people where is Allah ? Literally all of them said في السماء. Most people don't even know what Asharia is let alone follow it
Imagine saying “all these doctors are saying my body has liver damage, so let me go to random people and ask them if my liver is damaged or not…. Oh wow all the random people said my liver isn’t damaged, guess these doctors are all wrong!”
I think you missed the point in the video that I titled “Don’t skip”
The normal person’s opinion does. not. matter. when it comes to anything to do with the Deen. What meaning is left for a scholar if every person selling potatoes can give his opinion about what Allah means when He says في السماء ?
And on that, even the Salafis reject the meaning of في السماء and they say that’s a limitation and not befitting for Allah, and then they interpret it, and say it means something else. So according to the Salafis, the aqeedah of the Algerians is wrong too
Anyway
@@UmarElhashmi Exactly so how can we say that this Aqeedah is the Aqeedah of the Ummah if only a few people can understand it ? I mean sure not everyone is a scholar but if most of the Ummah wa Ashari yet most of the Ummah don't even know what Ashari means then there's a contradiction
It isn’t a requirement for everyone to delve into aqeedah like this, what the layman should be taught is simple that Allah is not a physical and limited being that is restricted to some time or place. He doesn’t have body parts, he isn’t sitting on a throne, etc.
This is for the layman, but for the one who continues to ask and disagree and say ‘well the Quran says this look’ (as though the scholar doesn’t know), then the detailed answers are explained to them as to why it is the correct belief to negate for Allah physicality and limitations, as they’re no longer at the level of a normal layman - they’re trying to delve into it, so they should do it properly. When they do it, methodically and properly, there is nothing at all difficult about the Aqeedah we teach, everything is in line with the Quran and Sunnah and the intellect which every human possesses. It isn’t difficult at all but it has to be learned properly
Salams Umer. According to Asharis Allah will be seen - is that unanimous? Since Allah is beyond space and time, how can he be seen since by necessity that needs a direction? Also, how comes the Allah has a throne but isn't literally above it? What is the purpose of the throne? Seems unusual that outside the universe there is a throne and kursi....?
Wasalam. Yes Allah will be seen, this is unanimous as it is explicit in the Quran. It does not necessitate direction, as imam alGhazaali proves intellectually. Allah has created a throne to represent his authority over all. Why does a king have a throne? To represent his ownership of the kingdom. If it was only to sit on, any chair would have sufficed. Allah’s throne represents His greatest creation which he is all authoritative over, as He says “And He is the Lord of the Throne, the all-Great.”
@@UmarElhashmi were there any asharis that denied ru'ya? I find it interesting that all the other sects denied it. How did the pagans understand throne? Wouldn't they of assumed Allah was above it? After all these were people that worshipped idols so wouldn't of been a stretch to assume they thought of God as sitting on the throne?
First, anyone who comments after this can step on a lego.
Great vid. What about hanbalis and imam ahmed (ra). Do salafis today who give allah literal body parts follow aqeedah of imam ahmed or have they got their own
The group who attribute body parts to Allah do not follow the aqeedah of Imam Ahmad. They are kinda separate. The hanbalis are different from pseudo-salafis in creed.
عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ قال عبد الله بن مسعود رضي الله عنه إِنَّ جُمْهُورَ الْجَمَاعَةِ هِيَ الَّتِي تُفَارِقُ الْجَمَاعَةَ إِنَّمَا الْجَمَاعَةُ مَا وَافَقَ طَاعَةَ اللَّهِ وَإِنْ كُنْتَ وَحْدَكَ
160 شرح أصول اعتقاد أهل السنة والجماعة
Shaykh, what Madhhab do you follow?
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
I believe he is Hanafī. Bārak-Allāhu Feek
Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah,
Dear bother, mainly I follow the Hanafi school of thought, and the Shafi'i and Maliki schools at times of need as dispensations. As for the Hanbali school I have not studied enough to know their opinions on issues, so I just stick to the other 3. InshaAllah there will come a time where I am fluent in all 4.
Jazakallahu Khayr
Even Albani said that all the Hanafis Malikis Shafiis are Asharis and Maturidis.
Khaddab
Deoband is in India brother
The deviancy is increasing in numbers during this period of fitna where we have no caliphate.
I agree, we need the ash'ari caliphates of the past and men like saladin to guide the Umma.
Assalamu Alaykum, the true athariyya hanbalis are also ahlul sunnah, why did you leave them out?
Not that I left them out in the sense that they’re not ahlulsunnah, but that I didn’t mention them here because there needs to be the clarification made that the true athariyyah hanbalis are not represented by the Salafis of today, and since that confusion is widespread today, and people think the Salafi way is the Athari way- I figured it would be best to make a separate video talking about the Hanbali Athari aqeedah where I’d explain this and clarify it and then present the truth about it
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Very true my brother, may allah reward you♥♥@@UmarElhashmi
If a 6 year old child comes and tells me that bacteria are classified as prokaryotes then I'll have to accept it because it is correct.....It will be unfair if I reject the child claim by saying you're not a biologist so I don't think you're right.....
100%
Except I believe you misunderstood the application.
That is if the 6 year old tells you something that is in accordance to what the biologists say.
What if the 6 year old tells you something that contradicts what biologists say?
That’s where you would say sorry kid you’re not a biologist yet so hush
Same with this.
When someone who’s not specialized in the field says something that agrees with theirs who are specialized- we say amazing.
When they say something that contradicts it, we say 🤫 and take from the masters of the field instead.
100% agreed. Ashari aqueda ❤
Majority of the ummah are laymen, majority of the ummah are athari, asharis and maturidis are in minority, majority of the ummah doesn't even know what these terms mean
Umar, I thought you was Shafi'i?
He’s a hanafi
Allah is above the heavens! Think about what a THRONE is!
@@abdullahthemonotheist7380 ur comment has nothing to do with mine.
@abdullahthemonotheist7380 I'm claiming that allah is above the heavens. Above the throne. Which should be common sense since he mentioned it numerous times in numerous ways. Not to mention that a throne is something that a king is upon. So Allah mentioning that his throne is above the heavens shows that allah is above the heavens since allah is over his throne... but again allah has already stated these things clearly in his qur'an. And the messenger has taught this In his sunnah.
Yes, Aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah in the general sense...NOT the specific sense of Ahlus Sunnah...both sects their Aqeedah has deviated from the Salaf as-Salih
All mazhab imams ARE salaf as-salih... not only they were fuqaha' they were the salaf of Ahlus Sunnah Wal jamaah.
They came with the rational proofs of the aqeedah of the salaf so cope
No, pseudo-Salafis deviated from the Salaf as-Salih, not these great Imams the man quoted in his video. Don't be so arrogant.
@@zccau2316 There is no rational in Aqeedah, only the Book and the Ahadeeth as understood by our Salaf as-Salih that is used
@AbuMoosaa And how do you propose we understand the Salaf & Quran & Sunnah if you take out the intellect …?
The intellect is the tool Allah gave us to understand things, including the Quran and Sunnah and the statements of the Salaf that explain the way they understood something.
The Quran and Sunnah don’t contradict the intellect in any way, so yes we do use the intellect as any human being who has one would
There are three not 2 please be historical and stop your bias way of presenting ahlu ssunnah wa jamaah ... Sunni schools of theology are Athariyyah, ash'ariyyah and maturidiyyah. Not two.... And stop glorifying your theological views... All of them are just attempt to interpret the pure islamic Monotheism. And all of them are VALID schools of theology.
Allah Is the Ultimate Truth and Reality and He is also the penackle of mystery and you shouldn't be assuming that your schools view is the ultimate truth.. because our respected scholars are just humans like us... They are not prophets who received revelations from Allah.
The real arrogance is to reject the truth… I believe this video is quite deceiving as it doesn’t frame the argument correctly. It’s not all black and white.
Ashari/Maturidi creed was widespread at a given time in the Muslim world, thus influencing many scholars. Some took it and ran with it and actually argued against certain aspects of the Sunnah. Others, such as Al-Nawawy -may Allah have mercy upon him, was known for seeking and defending the Sunnah although we can tell, in our day and age, that he - to some extent - was indeed influenced by some aspects of the incorrect common beliefs.
I recommend reading a book called
رفع الملام عن الأئمة الأعلام
'Lifting the blame from the prominent Imams'.
…by Ibn Taimyya, which addresses why certain misunderstandings happen amongst the scholars.
We don't really care whst ibn tayymiyah says in aqeedah matters, imam nawawi also accept tawassul bil isitghata and our understanding of bid'ah hasanah.
He was an ashari alhamduillah.
The greatest scholars of all of our history were ignorantly ‘influenced’ and just fooled by and into following a deviant creed?
How low do you think of the scholars and how highly you think of yourself to be free of a flaw in your understanding of aqeedah whilst attributing it to them as a ‘mistake due to ignorance’
The real arrogance is to think you know better than those who literally dedicated their entire day and night to this Deen
Imam alNawawi wouldn’t sleep at night for years upon years except a few minutes when sleep overtook him- because of his studies and his research and memorization and his writing of books that the entire ummah reads today- and you have the guts to say “he was indeed influenced by some of the incorrect beliefs” - as if you can’t have gotten the belief wrong due to the atoms weight of studies you’ve done in the Islamic sciences compared to him. His mind was smarter than yours, his effort was more, his knowledge and dedication everything was a hundred-fold, yet he’s got it wrong but you and ibn Taymiyyah got it right …?
This is the arrogance that leads people astray. Not to the straight path.
This Deen is defendable by anyone who challenges it intellectually. If one can’t intellectually defend your Deen, he is no different to a Christian in terms of his blind following of rejected unintelligible understandings of the Quran and sunnah
@@UmarElhashmi their biggest downfall hazrat, they think they know better than the scholars
You can't even translate a basic sentence in arabic shows your ignorance and why you make those mistakes akhi.
at 8:53 you translated "a modality is illogical" it is impossible for it to be nakirah when there is alif laam in the word "al-kayf". This is level 1 arabic akhi, how did you make this grave mistake and then fool your audience with your interpretation of this sentence?
It clearly speaks about "The modality" and this modality is ma'rifah it refers to the modality of Allah (proving that Allah has a modality), which is not "illogical" but it is impossible to understand with your intellect (ghayr ma'qool, from the same word 'aql).
Please if you make the video, mention this aswell how you mistranslated this sentence and take back your mistake.
Read also Imam Qurtubi (who you claim to be ashari) his explanation in his tafsir of this sentence of Imam Malik, when he says "The istiwaa is known" meaning known in the Arabic language. In shaa Allah, I would like to know your answer on that.
You’ve got to be kidding me.
Literalism at its finest.
OF COURSE I’m talking about Allah in the translation…?
“A modality (for Allah)” or “THE modality of Allah” is literally the same thing.
This is what happens when literalism takes over, one fails to see what the meaning in context is.
A modality for Allah’s attributes (or if need be so that literalism can work too, let me say ‘The modality of Istiwaa’) is absolutely impossible.
Imam Malik says “al-Kayfu minhu Ghayru Ma’qul”
“The modality (for istiwaa) is illogical.”
Impossible to understand is not what ghayr ma’qool means. Yes we are well aware of the fact that it comes from ‘aql.
This will all be clarified in the future video
Theres no need to lay accusations because of your disagreement or literalism, simply ask for clarification or mention what you think was a mistake, or just wait for the video where I explain it.
It isn’t a hard thing to do
It looks like like you’re taking your first Arabic lessons! And here you are applying what you learned to debates on aqida!! When you advance in your studies you will know about عهدية, جنسية، and استغراقية. In the mean time lay off the aqida debates. I know it is en vogue to retroactively take great Ash’ari Imams out of Ash’arism, but Imam al Qurtubi? That is going to be very hard sell even among Wahhabis
No akhi, by changing it to A modality, it makes it indefinite, meaning it can be any modality and that its not applicable to Allah. But The modality makes it definite, refering to the modality of Allah his istiwaa, proving that he has a modality as the Asharis negate the modality of Allah. And say al kayf does not exist. Your translation gives this opening for this false interpetation.@@UmarElhashmi
The point is whether it says “a modality” or “the modality”
Neither “the modality of istiwa”
Nor “a modality for Allah’s istiwaa”
Is accepted as a logical possibility.
Both are rejected by Imam Malik as illogical, illogical things don’t exist.
Just wait for the video inshallah this will all be addressed and clarified
also this is a weak video. hanafi's use mu'tazilah scholars in their fiqh. so, it theory it possible to take jurisprudence from a mubtedi sect.
Dear brother, there was a reason I had mentioned the relied upon works in the Madhab, not minorities.
We are in the year 1400 after the prophet ﷺ.
The Deen is established and set out for us already.
1) The Mu’tazili Hanafi scholars’ positions are not used or relied upon in the school.
1a) Even if they did, the positions that they held had no disagreement with the Hanafi Usool, so it makes no difference. The Mu’tazilah were inconsistent in their application of Usool anyway. Totally conceivable for them to have followed in mas’alah x and not followed in mas’alah y.
2) Their works aren’t reference points for the Madhab.
3) The Madhab is not the view of one or 10 men. It’s the thousands that studied and agreed with the Usool of the Madhab. There is a reason we have scholars like Ibn Abideen who the Hanafis have all agreed upon his Tarjeeh of the correct view of the Hanafi school. Not Mu’tazili
4) None of the scholars I mentioned, who held the leading works studied and referenced until today in all schools that teach Hanafi fiqh as I mentioned, was a Mu’tazili.
4) Getting a little bit detailed, the mu’tazilahs differences in Aqeedah to the Hanafis is not in their Usool. They, for example, believed Allah is not all-hearing, and they resorted to interpretation of that wording in the Quran to mean Allah’s knowledge, which they affirmed. This is in line with the Hanafi principle for interpretation, even though it is a wrong conclusion. The principle of the Hanafi fiqh- which the Mu’tazilah were following- is that Majaz is allowed if the literal is impossible.
The Mutazilis mistake was thinking it is impossible for Allah to hear because they felt it meant an ear is necessary. Make sense?
Same principle, wrong application.
All in all, the point is that despite Hanafis having Mu’tazilah within them, it doesn’t weaken the point made here. Such is the case with the Shafi’is and Malikis as well, and you also have some Ash’ari Hanbalis too.
@@UmarElhashmi this makes sense. Jzk for the explanation.
Mutazilites were minority. Asharis are majority and are the masses. Not comparable
The dumbest approach to teach people.
Where are you studying???
Are you getting paid for this???
Remember that you will be asked on every letter of the words you pronounce.
﴿ لِيَحْمِلُوا أَوْزَارَهُمْ كَامِلَةً يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ۙ وَمِنْ أَوْزَارِ الَّذِينَ يُضِلُّونَهُم بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ ۗ أَلَا سَاءَ مَا يَزِرُونَ﴾
preservation of deen, ashari and maturidi are the most deviant in the whole world, they invented the most bizzare inventions in the religion 😂😂
Jazakallah Khair