Can NAM hardware compete with ToneX?
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HW, Sooze, and Jon 2 discuss the New Dime Head NAM Player Pedal. Can it compete with ToneX?
The appeal for me with NAM is the flexibility when recording. It sounds great and there’s a great variety of amps that nobody has captured. The pedal is a bit expensive though so for right now I’ll be using the Tonex One for live sounds
I own two NAM pedals. They are great
NAM has *half a millisecond* of latency, that's 1/6th of the TONEX pedal.
That's huge for amp-only pedals of this nature (NAM, Tonex, Kemper player), which require an additional effects to complete the package.
I envision several larger companies eventually creating NAMM hardware, and if any of them are the size of ToneX One and the price of ToneX One, then maybe they will compete ... but they will be way behind in market share by then, so probably not.
You guys should check out Aviate Audio Multiverse. While not a VST loader, companies that make a VST can easily port them in and run them on the hardware. Its pretty much exactly what you are talking about. An actual commercial product without it being a windows computer in a pedal.
I bought ToneX day One. I made a bunch of captures. I now exclusively use NAM. It sounds and feels better than anything else out there. Also from a training point of view, what frustrated me with ToneX was only being able to train 1 at a time. With NAM I can record like 20 captures and then train the all in a batch, to me that's a much better workflow.
Ironically, the open sourceness is somewhat holding NAM back I reckon. The absolute hostility to any type of monetary transaction happening around NAM must surely be putting off some of the bigger hitters.
A more user friendly training system that guides you like ToneX would certainly be help a bit I think.
I am sure there will be a market for this, but the support that you get from bigger names like ToneX makes it much more attractive.
Hey guys, I was wondering if you guys can make a video comparing monitoring options. I bring it up because it seems like nam is designed specifically for direct captures whereas tonex captures amps and cabs. In theory, would nam sound best with a real cab? I know you guys are fans of the kemper cab, but what are your thoughts on a power amp and real cab? I'd love to best simulate amp tones without coloration from a mic. If you have a video on this, would you mind pointing me in the right direction?
I am ready for episode 36 from my best youtube buddies, HEY SOOZE!!!!
Hey man!! 🎉
I am looking into this, being in Australia though, I don't like me chances of getting in early. I remember buying something from Italy just as Covid-19 hit and it was like 4 months before I got my item. Fair enough though, it killed umpteen thousands of Italians. The latency, or lack thereof in this unit is insane, beats almost all things out there, the only thing I want to know is how to run a FX unit with the it pre and post? And what is a good unit to run the FX? Even though it not that cheap here in Oz it stills come in a lot cheaper than the bigger names and the tests prove it is the best for profiles.
the Nam Player has 60 second convolution reverb
Can you load your own IRs? Because delay is way more important than reverb, IMO, and you can do both with convolution.
@@ReductioAdAbsurdum yes you can
I would buy a NAM pack of captures from you guys to run it on Two Notes Genome...currently using free NAM captures... I also have the Tonex pedal / plugin, but still happy with the captures which came with it...
Look out for a new NAM Pack this weekend!
All this Apple Music vs Spotify talk.... everyone knows CZcams Music is where it's at. You buy a CZcams premium for like $15/mo and not only do you not have to watch commercials in CZcams but you also get CZcams Music which has unlimited content.
The example I give people... I was driving on a business trip with a colleague and was telling Android Auto (though you could use Car Play as well) to "play I Wanna Dance With Somebody by Rob Thomas".
It's a video Rob Thomas uploaded during the pandemic of him in his house playing his acoustic guitar singing a Whitney Houston cover. It's something that doesn't exist on Spotify or Apple Music but because CZcams recognized it as music it's now on CZcams Music.
You are 100% right.... Also podcast like ours, Guitar Friends, automatically populate on CZcams Music when we upload to youtube. For me Spotify is worth it because it integrates with my Tesla Model 3 perfectly., plus my kids take my phone and watch their videos on youtube and It throws off my algorithm.
NAM is supposed to work with MOD Devices Dwarf pedal. I was excited about this feature but MOD cut short their production run of Dwarf pedals for their Kickstarter campaign, so I never got it. I don’t think it will ever get critical mass because the companies supporting it a la MOD Devices don’t have enough scale and built-in customer base to seed the market and sustain support. The only ones who will support it are the niche techno-tinkerers that tend to overestimate pure technical superiority over ease of use and finished ecosystem to encourage mass market adoption. This segment of the market tends to be very vocal and passionate but unrealistic and unsophisticated in their understanding of business issues like marketing. That’s why these guys are building the products and not selling. That’s okay. There’s room for both and we need the tinkerers to innovate but they generally incorrectly project their enthusiasm to figure out and put up with half-baked and complicated interfaces onto the general public. Normal consumers just want to plug something in and have it work out of the box without any fuss and won’t care if it is the pinnacle of engineering elegance.
Have it in front of me and OMG I dig it. It’s the only way today to use the most advanced NAM captures with that less than 0,5 ms (!) latency… faster than any fractal/kemper/Quad Cortex and NAM captures ares really much more complex and accurate than ToneX and Kemper imo
I really want to get my hands on one because I actually think being able to run captures and having a screen that shows you what's going on which even the big tones doesn't do a great job of is kind of worth the price. I'm planning to get one once they are a little more readily available.
@@ToneJunkieTV yes they are facing a lot of demand in Europe but I believe they are making a lot of unit right now
it’s literally the same technology as tonex which is only usable with 3rd party captures anyway…which is literally the same thing.
Only talking? No test?
I cannot believe u talking bad about apple music over fkn spotify. Spotify is the biggest s company ever. Playlists arent better (that is subjective of course), apple music pays way more royalties to artists (which is a fact), AND has more music and deep cuts, AND has lossless (spotify cant even manage that) and thats just the tip of the iceberg. Srly my dudes I often watch your content but yall have to be aware of what youre promoting with your platform. Please do some research.
And that is not even touching on the bullshit moves their CEO is constantly doing. Apple music is on another level compared to that s.. sorry for the rant
I love Spotify.
@@Pummelfaywe are used to rants around here! 😂
I'm going to politely say, you could also do some more research here. It's easy to make a judgement call on Spotify vs apple by looking at one average per stream royalty number but it's more complicated than that. Spotify pays out in royalties 70% of revenues. Apple music pays out 71% of revenues, which would beg the question.... why does apple pay so much more on average per stream and the answer to that comes when you look at what comprises that average per stream royalty. Spotify offers a free ad supported option which produces less revenue than a person paying for a subscription and as a result has many many more non subscribing listeners than paying ones and many many more streams than apple does. Spotify is larger.
So what does this mean for the artist... well, there is a reason there are many many more streams on Spotify than on Apple music because of how many people use the free option, but using the free option results in less revenue generated per stream and less for Spotify and the artist to split up in that teir. Apple doesn't offer this teir at all which really then begs the question.... do artists benefit from having their music played on the Spotify free tier? Is access to the music for a "free ad supported" listener and collecting less on those streams worth it to the artist?
I don't know the answer to that but the notion that spotify just keeps more of the money per stream is not accurate. Apple chooses to only offer their product to subscribers and their customers on average make more money, have higher net worths and are usually bundled into other apple products. Spotify offers one product their average customer makes less and the majority of their streams happen on the free ad supported tier which generates less than a subscriptions fee.
Also I don't subscribe to the notion that I have to be careful what I say and who I support.... I'm a person talking on the internet. Spotify has way more streams because of their free tier not because people like me say we prefer them.
@@ToneJunkieTV Sounds like corporate talk to me. You also ignored the fact, that Spotify doesn’t even provide lossless audio even in their paid tier. You have your opinion and I have mine.