THE HOBBIT: THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG | FIRST TIME WATCHING | MOVIE REACTION
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Trivia, Benedict Cumberbatch stole that acting from his dad. On an interview he revealed that his father read him the Hobbit as a kid and that he recalled the very voice and movements he made when reading him the lines and parts of Smaug lol. Kind of cute.
That's such an adorable trivia
Stolen? or was it given to him,that's something father's used to do..
@@wolfmanjack3451 It is a gift. A gift to the family of Cumberbatch.
Yeah, I said stolen because he said so lol. I meant it as a comedic expression
His father is Timothy Carlton (Cumberbatch), a veteran actor of British television and theater. He has a huge list of credits going from 1966 to 2017. His mother is Wanda Ventham, also an actor, whose list of credits is even longer. They appear in 'Sherlock' opposite their son playing Mr and Mrs Holmes, Sherlock's' parents.đ
Not only is Gimli's dad in this: Balin is the one whose tomb the Fellowship finds in Moria and the dead Dwarf near the tomb that holds the book that Gandalf reads is Ori, the youngest of Thorin's company.
which always makes me sad now rewatching LoTR because Balin is the best dwarf, so now I just picture him when they go to the mines of Moria
I was a little late, I see. :)
Plus they read in the book that Oin was killed by the watcher in the water.
God itâs depressing picturing Ori dying that way...
No shit sherlock stating the obvious
"If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, i was barely involved. All i did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." - Gandalf, LOTR: The Fellowship Of The Ring
Barely involved, indeed.
Well, it could be argued he was barely involved from his point of view lol. It merely guided them, Thorinâs company and bilbo did majority of the lifting in the quest. Gandalf mostly did stuff behind the scenes.
The Hobbit was read to me as a child so when I heard Gandalf say that in the movie I burst out laughing. "Barely involved" đ€šđ€Ł
I havenât read the book in ages but wasnât it hinted at that there was a bear following the group and that was Gandalf?
@@ryanhampson673 Pretty sure the only character in The Hobbit that takes the shape of a bear was Beorn. And other skin-changers like him, but none of them appear in the book. Although IIRC after the War of the Ring, Beorn's son Grimbeorn the Old leads his tribe to establish a new country in the Anduin Vale between the Misty Mountains and Mirkwood. So there definitely are others like Beorn out there.
Disturber of the peace, more like!
At this point in the story, Bilbo has not actually had the ring for very long at all, and over the years following this, he did not have much need to use it, but he also never let it out of his sight. The reason it affected Frodo so deeply even though he had for a far shorter time than Bilbo, was that he was taking it into Mordor itself, so the ring grew more powerful and more demanding as it moved closer to its master.
At least, that's my theory. :D
It's also the fact that Sauron's power was at it's peak in LOTR while it's still weak and growing here. and When frodo was taking it to Mordor Sauron was at full strength and actively searching for it, and since the ring is connected to Sauron and has an innate desire to be found by him, it does it's best to corrupt frodo and make him reveal himself by using it and tightening its grip on him.
Frodo also get stabed by the Witchking at Weathertop with an Nazgulblade.
@@theAkildare that blade is called a morgue blade my friend đ
@@leejamesmccarthy morgul blade
@@davidheywood4082 yep, I didn't realise mine auto corrected it to morgue lol but morgul blade is what I meant to put
11:07 I love how Legolas say Gimli is a horrid creature and then they became best friends 60 years after lol
If you thought that was great, the story of Tauriel and Kili will break your heart in the Hobbit series.
Smaug is literally "THE" dragon. Smaug has inspired all of the great dragons since in literature and film. This dragon terrified us all as kids and we ate it up and loved it. Full of himself, but deservedly so to a degree. Cumberbatch played him absolutely perfectly. Voice, movements, all of it.
Sorry for necroing this, but have you heard the tragedy of ancalagon the black? Or glarurung(?)?
@@LuanMower55 Yes... but those stories are not very well known outside of the hard core Tolkien readers who have read all the Appendicies, Silmarillion, Book of Lost Tales, Lay of Luthien, etc, etc, etc. Smaug is the one people know, the one they read as a kid, the one that inspired them. Ancalagon and Glaururung are much more terrifying, but poorly known.
Shang is an antique compared to the other dragons
@@LuanMower55 Smaug was published before Glaurung Father of Dragons and Ancalagon the Black, Greatest of All Dragons.
@@paulwagner688 and what did i say that made you believe i did not already know that? I am merely mentioning those two characters, not saying when they were created
"...This guy is real full of himself..." You have just described the personality of almost every dragon in existence. :)
Very true. Interestingly enough we - in the western world- always considered the dragons villainous - even long before J.R.R. Tolkien (e.g. Saint George who slayed the evil dragon). In the east however the dragons were always wise, good and powerful creatures. They can be found on the coat of arms on many Korean , Chinese and Japanese dynasties as in these countries dragons bring fortune. :)
All dragons except for those in How to train your Dragon. They're exceptions.
@@mish375 Darn right :)
Yes, the dragon talks in the books. And these movies aren't just the Hobbit, they also contain a lot of the appendices from The Lord of the Rings and a couple other books that tell of the Council of White and their activities during this time and the fall of Erabor, hence the disconnect from kids movie to "holy shit this is scary" parts.
Not to mention outright fabrication, like everything Tauriel and the Orc attack on Lake-town and more, to bloat a short book into a multi billion dollar cash grab.
@@jowbloe3673 the Hobbit as written would have made a poor movie. Tolkien himself always wanted to go back and rewrite the book to make it more congruent with the tone and legendarium of the LOTR. It was a kid's book for his kids. The dwarves had technicolor beards! The entire -------- in the movie wasn't told in the book so as not to scare children.
All truly elder animals in the books talked. Leftovers from before the First Age, I'd wager.
Mm, calling it Disney-esque is an insult to the movies.
@@davis.fourohfour - I think it could have made a fine movie, just not a trilogy.
Watched another *CZcams* video about someone who made a recut of the trilogy into one movie, and was very interesting, and I'd actually like to watch that video.
czcams.com/video/XB6h9uCAZmI/video.html
27:40 Yes, Smaug could talk in the books. In fact, the movies _reduce_ the number of creatures that talk. The Eagles also spoke, for instance.
and while wearing the ring, Bilbo could understand the speech of the spiders
A necromancer is a sorcerer who specializes in magic revolving around death.
Whereas a neck romancer is a sorcerer who specializes in magic revolving around love.
@@elessartelcontar9415 yes, I know.
@@okramando Neck romancer is clearly the politically correct term for a vampire.
@@okramando specializes in first base, I think. The âNeck Romancer!â And gifting necklaces.
@@paradox5391 thatâs right! đ§ââïž
I love how you always say "we" in reference to the action, as in "we trust Gandalf" - "we need to to get of this mountain" etc.. you're not just watching, you're IN the story, alongside the characters. That's how any good movie or book should be experienced.
The thing to remember about the Hobbit movies is, maybe about a third of what you see is from the actual book, about a third is dredged out of Tolkien's other lore and notes, and a third is new stuff thrown in to make the movie more exciting and to shoehorn in LOTR characters the fans want to see.
Yup, and they did an exceptionally bad job with the new stuff.
Which was fine. I just didn't care for some of the really gross stuff or the way they killed Killi and Filli off when in the books they died trying to protect their uncle.
The one thing that never should've been 'dredged' was Legolas. He was never in 'the Hobbit' and, even worse, Peter Jackson's 'make-up magicians' could not hide the fact that Orlando Bloom/Legolas was 10 years older in a story that was set 60 years earlier!
@@presleyrules I think Legolas should have had a cameo at best, that's it, since him being in Mirkwood would make sense, but the whole added plot was not necessary. That's what I think.
@@fiction5559 Agreed but use a much younger actor.
I imagine Bilbo didn't get corrupted between then and now because the ring works best on those who have big ambitions or access to great power. So while it did have a hold on him, it never corrupted him like it did others. The reason why it worked on Frodo was because Frodo was willingly carrying it to its end. There's no telling what kind of horrible things the ring put Frodo's mind and body through near the end.
"I can't recall the taste of food, nor the sound of water, nor the touch of grass. I'm naked in the dark. There's nothing--no veil between me and the wheel of fire. I can see him with my waking eyes."
It didn't corrupt Frodo by trying to capitalize Frodo's desires, it broke him into accepting the ring instead because it was desperate. While it was with Bilbo, it was in no danger, and Bilbo had no great desire to work on. So it waited. Patiently.
Thranduil is amazing in the movies, honestly. Lee Pace did an awesome job. But as far as I know, Thranduil never fought a dragon, I think this was put in to give the actor some background. There were dragons in the northern regions of Middle Earth.
The rift between Dwarves and Elves go WAAAY back. Thousands of years back. An elven king, by the name Thingol, wanted to combine the best of Elven smithing (a Silmaril, which is a gem that captured the light of the Two Trees of Valinor... basically the things that acted as the sun and moon BEFORE the actual sun and moon were created), with the greatest of the Dwarves' (the Nauglamir, a necklace of gems). The dwarves wanted the finished creation, and seeing this, Thingol sent them from his kingdom without giving payment, which resulted in the dwarves retaliating and sacking the kingdom.
"Dwarves are greedy", say the Elves. "Never trust an Elf" say the Dwarves.
The story of the silmarils is a long one too. As they tie in with even Galadriel, as well as the first Dark Lord of Middle Earth, whom Sauron served. Yes, at one point, Sauron served a master who was greater than he. His name was Morgoth, and he was the one who created the dragons and orcs. In those times, he created dragons even greater than Smaug.
Well done, succinct, and informative. Iâve often thought about how to introduce someone to the greater Tolkien world but never came up with one this well put.
The books mentioned the Nazgul screams were more potent near Mordor. Perhaps the ring also become more potent. Bilbo had the ring for years but rapidly succumbed to the ring as he approached Mt Doom.
I like the creative license with Thranduil. I've seen Tolkien essays that say it was possible because of Thandruil's age, and he may have come from or allied with the north when it was ravaged by Morgoth and the dragons. Possible. He could or could not have been there for the wars.
@@mikeberry8566 *Frodo
The ring becomes heavier as a burden when the enemy rises or when Sauron rises. At the time when Bilbo found the ring, Sauron was barely awakening again and there is a more bigger emptiness and lost of connection between Sauron and the ring even though the power of the ring still remains within. After Isildur kept the ring, there were still enemies left from the war fighting for the ring but when it wasn't recovered, things slowed down cause the "feel" of the ring is far beyond reach and even when Gollum kept the ring for years I guess he didn't put it on but just kept it and you can just hear Sauron's voice but Sauron itself just can't pinpoint the person but knows and feels someone has it? It's like the more people put it on, the more Sauron forces build up. It's like using the saying, "Rome wasn't built in one day." You make a great point by the way.
"Come on, itÂŽs just a LEG."
Kili: "Yea, those are kinda important, you know."
I was once an adventurer like you, then i got a........ you know
@@stonedmountainunicorn9532 arrow in the kneeâŠ
Just a flesh wound
Funny thing about Smaug, that despite his enormous size, he's still very tiny compared to the greater dragons of the First Age.
Glaurung the Father of Dragons was a wingless behemoth resembling a crocodile and a dinosaur, he served as the general of Morgoth's(the first dark lord and mentor of Sauron) armies, and aside from firebreath he had the ability to render people insane using his soul-piercing eyes. And then there's Ancalagon the Black, the greatest of the winged dragons, who was described as being as large as a mountain and his firebreath was so hot it melted the strongest metals easily.
The Silmarillion adds so much depth and lore that it makes you appreciate the world these characters are in and the history of the places and creatures they encounter
@@brinstarmedia1411 the finished fall of gondolin is amazing as well
where he is?
@@Nova-fh2et Proudly
I think the short answer as to why the ring didn't have a corrupting effect on Bilbo was simply that Tolkien hadn't thought of that part of the story yet; for The Hobbit, it was just a magic invisibility ring, and it wasn't until later that he started devising the story of Sauron and the Fellowship and wanted to tie the stories together.
That's the real-life answer. But the in-universe explanation is that the ring's power just wasn't as potent as later when Sauron was back. Additionally, they were not actively moving toward Mordor with the knowledge that they were going to destroy it, like Frodo and the Fellowship later did. Bilbo just was having his own irrelevant quest and he happened to have a magical ring.
âThe world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater.â
-J.R.R. Tolkien
Fingalfin would agree.
Smaug is played by Benedict Cumberbatch, including motion capture.
The necromancer is the same actor, also.
@@travisfoster1071 he played the character sherlock too...
YEs, go look up some video of it. its truly fun.
Yeah right, its obviously Danny Devito.
Yeah, Benedict, with his wings and tail......wait a minute..
The reason the orcs and their warg mounts look so different from how they did in Lord of the Rings is because they're different breeds. These orcs and wargs come from Gundabad to the North, the LotR orcs and wargs come from Mordor to the South.
Two of the most important events in this trilogy as far as the main events of this period in time in Middle Earth: 1. Bilbo finding the One Ring and 2. Gandalf meeting the "Necromancer" and finding out his real identity. It is the event that leads to Gandalf spending a lot of the time between The Hobbit and LotR doing research, exploration and meeting other people/creatures/beings in Middle Earth to learn about the current threat of the Dark Lord.
Originally Tolkien didn't have any plans on creating a sequel to The Hobbit, a story which started as a children's story. After the release of the first edition of the book he had created so much of the lore and story line of LotR that he felt it necessary to edit and change some parts of The Hobbit to make it fit into what would become world of The Lord of the Rings (which was written as a single massive book but the publisher felt it would be very difficult to sell such a humongous book and thus it was split into three books). There are some minor inconsistencies which ultimately don't really matter. The Hobbit was basically extended with stories and a vast amount of historical and factual notes about Middle Earth, characters, events, timelines and so on that Tolkien had created which were later compiled in The Silmarillion as well as the appendixes of the LotR books, all of which explains everything from Eru Illuvatar creating the Ainur (resembling the concept of angels, spiritual entities that helped Eru Illuvatar create EĂ€ (the universe) Arda (the planet where Middle Earth and other land masses exist) to the last words of LotR, all of which spans.
The Ainur that descended on Arda to help shape it came in two variants; the Valar, the strongest and most powerful deities and the Maiar, more numerous but less powerful and more akin to angels or demi-gods. Many took corporeal forms on Arda and waited for Eru Illuvatar to wake up the first race of beings, the Elves, thousands and thousand of years before the first humans woke up on Arda. The maiar Mairon whose name meant "The Admirable" would later become corrupted by the valar Melkor (later named Morgoth) who was the true Dark Lord. Mairon came under Morgoths strong influence and his dedication to perfection and order was twisted into something evil...
Thus, Mairon became Morgoths lieutenant and was henceforth known as Sauron. For thousands of years Morgoth plotted and attempted to take over Middle Earth with the help of Sauron and other weaker maiar who fell for his lure. Sauron on the other hand was the strongest among the maiar and he preferred to use manipulation, subterfuge and deceit in order to ruin the elves which he had learned to hate under Morgoth. The other Valar got tired of Morgoth ruining everything after many clashes and took him down once and for all (many thousands of years before Hobbit/LotR). Sauron hid and got away. He was still loyal to Morgoth although Morgoth was chained and put in the Timeless Void. Over the millennia Sauron grew in power, started wars and then came up with the "perfect" plan. As a deity with incredible skill and knowledge of smith-craft he changed his corporeal form into that of a handsome elf named Annatar and wormed his way into the elven society. There he showed the most skilled elven smiths secrets of putting magic into objects like rings. After having deceived men, elves and dwarves alike, giving them a total of 20 magical rings, he went to Mount Doom and forged The One Ring To Rule Them All. His first attempt at conquering Middle Earth, in the Second Age, after having forged The One ring, failed when the armies of elves and men created an alliance to bring down Sauron.. and we know how that went from the opening of Lord of the Rings. Sauron had put a majority of his spiritual being into the ring and was extremely dependent on having the ring to be the powerful being we saw in those opening scenes. After he lost the battle as well as his ring he was but a shadow, a weakened spirit with no corporeal form (he was too weak to create one) and it took him 3000 years to get to the point we saw him in The Hobbit (as the necromancer) and as The Eye in Lord of the Rings, always searching for his ring.
Sorry for nerding out. ;)
Bravo! Never apologize for nerding out
At this rate, sheâs going to change her channelâs name to âLembas In Bedâ *LOL*
That's clever. Brava!
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Lmao!
You say that like it's a bad thing.
@@markdeslauriers6549 Itâs not because I enjoy her content and Tolkienâs work. But I get that humor isnât always portrayed clearly in text haha
At the time of the hobbit movies, Sauron wasn't nearly as strong and his power was still growing. Hence the corruption in the ring wasn't as strong either. Bilbo didn't have it nearly as long as Gollum did, and Bilbo was a hobbit. Smeagol was a cousin race called river folk iirc like hobbits but not hobbits.
Also the individual person and their internal character played just as much influence in how long it would take to corrupt someone. Smeagol and Deagol seemed to fall pretty hard for it fast, but Bilbo and Frodo each owned it for decades and it was a much slower descent, Boromir lost to it but Faramir was able to resist it.
In the end the ring would corrupt anyone absolutely (except Bombadil) its just a matter of how long based on the individual and at what point they carried it (how awake and powerful the ring is)
@@Mr.Sequiro Bombadil too OP.
Didn't Smeagol hold the ring for centuries
@@BensSoZen yep... But he killed Deagol right away for it.
Also, didnât, like, the nature of the ring change between the hobbit and lotr? I donât think jr knew quite what it was himself yet.
"Gimli, Son of Gorman"
Imagining that epic Tolkien/Aliens crossover franchise right now.
LOL Gorman
Vasquez: Never thought I'll die side by side with an asshole.
Lt. Gorman: What about dying side by side with a Space Marine?
Vasquez: Aye, I can do that.
Proud member of the Squad of the Ring.
@@SSgtJ0hns0n Is this another Orc hunt?
Thereâs tons of comparison between Bilbo and Frodo both being the âmain characterâ & ring bearers etc, but I always saw Bilbo in this trilogy as the companyâs Sam. Retaking Erabor is Thorinâs task, not his, but the dwarves would not have even come close if it werenât for him.
That's true about his role in the group, but the story is undoubtedly Bilbo's, not Thorin's.
"Necromancer" translates approximately to "death wizard".
"Necro", like "necromancer", "necromancy", "necrosis", or "necropolis", or "necrophilia".
It comes from the Greek "Nekros" meaning "corpse"
They are typically wizards who meddle with the forces of death, and most archetypically are famous for raising armies of skeletons or zombies to do their bidding.
"mancer" is just a suffix that denotes a magic user of the prefix's type.
necromancer - death wizard
cryomancer - ice wizard
pyromancer - fire wizard
electromancer - electricty wizard
aeromancer - air wizard
geomancer - earth wizard
hydromancer - water wizard
biomancer - life wizard
etc etc etc
Necromancer: a person who uses witchcraft or sorcery, especially to reanimate dead people or to foretell the future by communicating with them.
Necromancy, historically, is a Healing Art, but given what it entails is prone to corruption. Hence why all the negative connotations.
Necromancer literally translates as "Dead talker". It's another name for mediums who could speak with the dead.
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Dont forget neuromancer
@@elphiefanful Not exactly.
It's rooted in the Greek for "corpse diviner/oracle" or "corpse divination", but Necromancer itself means "death wizard" or "corpse wizard".
The meaning of and usage of "mancer" is too far removed from the Greek root to simply mean diviner or medium, and certainly doesn't mean "speaker".
"Speaker" is "OmilitĂs".
I watched this movie in IMAX. When the dwarf in the cask rolled along the coast, knocking down the orcs like a skittles, the audience all over the hall laughed to tears. I slid somewhere under a chair in a fit of laughter.đ€Ł
A lot of the Smaug lines are 100% the same as in the book, just so you know.
The respect the dwarf balin has for bilbo is so emense and heart warming đ
Fun fact: "Beorn" sounds almost like "Björn" which is Swedish for "Bear". This is no coincidence. Tolkien knew his stuff. And it's appropriate that they had Mikael Persbrandt, a Swedish actor, act his 'humanoid' part.
Agreed, and he nailed the part!
Beorn also means warrior in Old English, which is of course related to the Old Norse word for bear. So It's a really poetic and fitting name for the character.
@@GalacticMilkfoam Of course. The Prof knew what he was doing, and he had a darn good informal content editor in C.S. Lewis.
I think what you said in the opening hits the nail on the head as to why your channel is successful. Every movie reaction feels like watching with a friend - authentic and warm. Keep it up!
Yes, Gimli's dad was one of the dwarves in this, his name is Gloin. It wasn't mentioned in the Fellowship Of The Ring movie, but in the book Gloin was also one of the dwarves at the Council Of Elrond where they decided what to do with the Ring.
What makes the Bilbo Smaug interaction more awesome was that Benedict Cumberbach and Martin Freeman starred together in BBC's Sherlock series. REALLY good. You should watch it.
I wish we had more episodes of Sherlock.
YES!! She absolutely should!
LOL, I remember bits of that. My favorite was when Watson is staying with Sherlock for a spell and opens the fridge for a snack and Sherlock has a human head in it. LMAO!
@@spirittammyk lol yeah!
@@ruthdeckman9781 I also love Freeman in the Edgar Write movies that would usually star Simon Pegg and Nick Frost. Particularly The World's End.
I mean I like the concept that P.J kept the Hobbit like how it was written, a childrens story with wittiness and fun action. The only thing I hated was the excessive CGI that deviated from his style of movie. But his hands were tied and he was rushed into it so you can't blame him.
@Necramonium RIght, but the word I used was excessive, all orcs and goblins in LOTR were practical prosthetics and makeup (unless they were duplicated to show off massive armies) in The Hobbit, every single one were CGI and the stunts WAY over the top. If Sir Ian Mckellan has a mental breakdown because of this factor, I think its a pretty serious flaw
I hate the amount of CGI used in these films. LOTR used real "miniatures" for most of the castles, lending them a feeling of realness. And as mentioned, way too many orcs or other characters were CGI instead of prosthetics and makeup, so even if the CGI was "good", it was still fake-feeling. The nail in the coffin for me were some close-ups of obviously-CGI Legolas. Like, there's quite a few of us who spent a LOT of time staring at Legolas' face pretty intently when we were teens, so you can't sneak a CGI Legolas in there with that kind of close-up and not have us notice.
@@melvasaiel #NotmyLegolas
Man in today's world, studios like Amazon and Netflix would through the chequebook a a director like Peter Jackson
@@harijeevakumar2218 Best not to involve an icon like P.J with those cesspools
Haha, I like how she set the location as "The Shire"!
Hi Cassie, While it was intended as more of a Children's book, Tolkien had a tendency to write beyond his audience in the Hobbit and Jackson likes to expand further. So while there are these more whimsical elements, it becomes clear that many of the characters are more complex and layered than the mostly heroic Fellowship of the Ring. Thorin is not an altruistic hero. He is flawed. Not unlike Boromir. It also does take a while to really latch onto this many Dwarves as individuals. Remember, there were really only nine companions in the Fellowship and we would come to know Eowyn, Theodin, Eomyr, Faramir and Treebeard. The company of Thoren Oakenshield is comprised of thirteen dwarves plus a Hobbit and a Wizard, so fifteen. Plus they then add Radaghast, Legolas, Tauriel, Thranduil, Beorn, and Bard. So that is 14 characters versus twenty-one. That is a lot more to keep us focused on. I am not making excuses for it just trying to identify why Lord of the Rings is an easier watch.
I read The Hobbit when I was in 8th grade for the first time. To this day, it's still one of the best books I've ever read. The conversation between Bilbo and Smaug is magnificently terrifying in the book. A treasure of 20th century western literature.
What really terrified me about Smaug was when he spoke you could definitely tell there was an intelligence and that he wasn't just an animal attracted to shiny things. What really drives home the terror about him is you can easily see the malice in his character and that he is a true sadist (he enjoys causing pain and suffering to those he feels are beneath him, which is just about everyone)
And to think Smaug was small even compared to Glaurung, let alone Ancalagon. Really makes me want to see a movie of the War of Wrath.
1:23 'i'm not a critic in any way... i'm watching this as a normal human' LOL
Yes, dragons can speak in Tolkien's world. Actually their speech is dangerous in itself, since they can hypnotise you. Bilbo gives himself mysterious titles because dragons are always intrigued by riddles ; also because it is safer for you not to give away your real name to a dragon (he would probably cast a spell on you)
Convincing evidence that critics are not normal and maybe not even human.
@@johnalden5821 Exactly :D
If you want a good chuckle, check out the behind the scenes with Benedict Cumberbatch doing the movements and lines for Smaug. Him crawling around on all fours and snarling his lines is both humorous and badass at the same time
"Why does this dwarf get to be so handsome"
Studios wanting love interests and drama đ
to puppetmaster people's emotions, but that is what keeps them watching more movie$
Sad they had to sacrifice lore for some extra money. He looks far closer to half elven than dwarven.
yeah, i was gonna say it's because Aidan Turner. ;)
Wasn't a single female character in the book. Kinda stuck out as a boy's book.
@@davis.fourohfour and there were drunken elves I just remembered whereas Legolas, their close kin, was barely buzzed after a drink off of ale đș with Gimli.
The Black Speech being âthe opposite of a beautiful languageâ is a perfect description of it. Sauron created it as a unifying language for all the servants of Mordor, but neither he nor his underlings could create or speak anything beautiful. He and the orcs are so corrupt that speaking elvish, a âpureâ language, would cause them physical pain.
Ironically, Sauron was forced to use elvish script (Tengwar) to inscribe the ring with its poem. The crude written form of Black speech was unable to express what he desired, so he had to use the language of his enemies.
I thought Morgoth created the language.
something wrng here.
before the fall of Numenor, Sauron was beautiful and very charming, He wouldnt be if he could not speak elvish
@@rogeriopenna9014 yeah, I think most of this is wrong.
Their was also 2 forms of black speech, the Pure form used by Sauron and his Nazgul and the "debased" form used by orcs ect.
@@VeselkoKelava And he is correct actually, though Sauron was able to speak Elvish he would only speak it when undercover as Annatar
This is my favourite of the trilogy (especially the extended version). I love those dark scenes in which Gandalf explores the tombs of the Nazgul and Dol Guldur... dark, mysterious, beautiful, thrilling, reminiscent of the LOTR movies. I love this whole supporting storyline throughout the trilogy, with the White Council and Sauron.
I also loved the Mirkwood scenes (so suffocating, so strange, so dense), and then the fresh air above the trees... the viewer can really feel the same way as Bilbo when he manages to take a deep breath of the cold, clean air.
Oh and the giant bees in Beorn's house... đ
Gimli's father is Gloin. He's the one in the first Hobbit film who asks about Elrond "Does he offer us insult?!"
I love how Legolas calls Gimili a horrid creature when he saw the picture but then later they're friends.
I think they have done a superb job with the dragon! His voice, his cunning and movements makes you feel he jumped out of a book!
Bilbo is by far the greatest resistor of the Ring. He was the only person ever in the history of Middle Earth to willingly give it up. And after he had had it for 60 years.
When the son of actor Richard Boone found out that his father would be doing the voice of Smaug in the Rankin-Bass animated production of "The Hobbit" he took his father by the shoulders, looked him seriously in the eyes and said; "Dad, are you sure that you're up to this? Please don't screw it up!"
I am sure Cumberbatch's kid slept much more soundly.
FYI, the man who played the city's Master is named Stephen Fry, and he is one of the funniest, and possibly the smartest, in all of entertainment. Word to the wise: keep an eye out for him in other places.
Just a side note.
Stephen Fry is a god among men. Truly incredible.
Yes! He's so good in V for Vendetta
Hear, hear! Stephen Fry is awesome.
I loved him as Dr. Gordon Gordon on Bones!
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These pale orcs are called Gundabad orcs they're technically not from Mordor .
Are they good or bad? Or are they...GundANDbad?
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@@genghisgalahad8465 Nice one!
Thoroughly enjoying this entire channel. Love seeing your reactions, reminding me of the magic I felt seeing these movies the first time.
Thank you Cassie
Completely agree with you that these movies started to feel as long as they are, compared to LotR, where the time flew by and you were at the end before you knew it.
You really should read the books, beginning with the Hobbit and then the LOTR, including the Appendices. If you want more after that (and you probably will by then) thereâs the Silmarillion, which tells the story of the histories that are referred to by the characters youâve come to know and love. Once you have gotten that far, you will understand MUCH more about the reasons why and have answers to many of the questions you have, like how can Aragorn be nearly 90 years old and look so young and how old is Galadriel, who is Gandalf really? (and Saruman for that matter?) Who was Sauron?
One thing that the movies donât do well (because of time constraints) is to explain many things that are laid out much more plainly in the books. Also, as Iâm sure youâve heard from other comments, MANY of the characters in the movies are presented in a very different light than they deserve. The books give us a much deeper look into how and why they have become the people they are now. In some we see them change as the weight of what is happening around them crushes their resilience. In the book of the Hobbit, this happens to Thorin in much the same way as it does to Denethor (father of Boromir and Faramir) in the book of The Return of The King.
The confrontation between Bilbo in the book version is much more entertaining, as Bilbo engages in a battle of wits with Smaug, whose pride eventually gives Bilbo a look at Smaugâs only weak spot in his armor of scales. This information is given to Bard the bowman by someone else, but it is Bilbo that discovered it and passes it on.
All this to say that you REALLY SHOULD READ THE BOOKS! You wonât regret it, I promise.
Imagine you were me and you had to wait for another year to watch the next part. I watched it in theatre and I was so drawn in, I didn't realize the movie was ending right there! I was so upset, even though i knew what was going to happen overall to Laketown(having read the book).
Yeah but it felt cheap to me. Did we really have to wait a year to see 6 or 10 more minutes?
That close up of Smaug saying "Death! gives me goosebumps
Same
Gandalf knew that he had found a magic ring, but he didn't know it was "the one ring" so it wouldn't have changed anything if he had told him anyway. He still doesn't know this beginning of LOTR. He found out in the scene in Gondor, Denethor allows him into Gondors library and he researches it there. There's a scene where he reads a scroll from Aragorns ancestor Isildur in the movies.
Yes, Bilbo survives his quest. It's interesting what happens to some of the members of Thorin's company after the quest: Gloin's son Gimli becomes a member of the Fellowship, Balin leads an expedition to reclaim Moria and establish a dwarf colony and is briefly successful but it is eventually overrun by orcs and he is killed there. Oin and Ori join Balin on his quest but Oin gets killed by the Watcher in the Water at the gates of Moria when trying to escape when the colony is overrun and Ori dies next to Balin's tomb when making a final stand against orcs. Ori's body is found by Gandalf and the Fellowship in Lord of the Rings when Gandalf reads the journal that Ori was holding in Balin's tomb.
Loved your reaction at seeing the shadow of the Necromancer turn into the pupil of the Eye of Sauron. Even knowing the connection, it still got me the same way when I saw it for the first time - one of the better moments in the movie.
6:49 These âWhat Ifâ questions are the best. There are so many hypothetical situations that couldâve led to.
"Bilbo saves the day again!" - Best summary of the book. xD
Fun fact: for the scary black fog monster thing, Benedict Cumberbatch recorded the lines in reverse, to give them an extra weird and unnatural sound.
It worked.
I like Beorn too! My favorite part of the book was when Tolkien described all the food he gave to the party on the journey. A bunch of honey cakes and honey-based foods because he was a beekeeper/farmer.
The Orcs are from Gundabad, basically a different breed of Orc, more warlike. They are usually larger, and Azog was noted as being larger than normal even among his own kind.
Fun fact: Smaug is the smallest of all dragons in Tolkiens stories of middle earth.
Sauron had a master called Morgoth who was the first dark lord during the first age, who is also the one who created Orcs as a race.
Morgoth created 6 dragons as his weapons of war, one of those dragons was Smaug but the biggest of them all was Ancalagon the black, who by Tolkien is described bigger than a mountain.
Morgoth feared Ungoliant.
A mountain? Dude crushed three when he died
The funny thing about the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings is how the events are relatively small scale compared to the ridiculous insanity of what happened in the past of Middle Earth. Smaug is tiny compared to the dragon Ancalagon the Black, Shelob the Spider who attacks Frodo and Sam is a descendent of a primal spider called Ungoliant who is vastly more powerful and there were many Balrogs including the most powerful, Gothmog. Durinâs Bane who we see in Moria isnât a particularly strong or remarkable Balrog and there used to be thousands of them.
Even Sauron is effectively a henchman and servant of the true evil in Middle Earth, a being called Morgoth. The events of Lord of the Rings are effectively a minor skirmish at the end of a far bigger and more dramatic war lasting thousands of years.
I remember reading about a battle where PART of the attacking force was 100 Balrog.
Imagine seeing that on film.
@@patrickkenyon2326 that was retconned by Tolkien
Cassie, the reason Thorin is this way is because of two things: The experiences he has lived through and the mental illness that his grandfather developed: Dragon sickness.
His home was literally ripped away from him, struggled to protect his people and lost his grandfather and father to Azog. These events hardened Thorin and made him feel like he couldn't trust anyone but his own people.
As for Dragon sickness it is a form of madness his grandfather developed from his ever growing desire for gold. It got to a point where it could be passed down through his family. In the last film we saw Thorin worry if he had also inherited his grandfather's madness and how it is now starting to manifest. Thorin has had it real rough but Bilbo has become a source of light in his life, giving him back hope where there was none before.
Dragon sickness is not a thing, it was made up for the movie. Thorin is a dwarf, they are stubborn and love shinny things. There's no dragon sickness
Thror didn't have dragon sickness. It was his Ring that corrupted him.
I'm not talking about the book versions. This explanation is strictly what pertains to the films.
@@VeselkoKelava Dragon sickness is a thing, and was not made up for the movie. It's both hinted at that Thorin got it, and literally written that the Master of Lake-Town got it.
@@Frelzor Dragons are very obsessive when it comes to gold and they hoard it and protect it. Dragons are gonna be attracted to the biggest pile of gold there is, and they will take it out of circulation. If they sit on it for a long time, it will affect economy, raising the value of gold. That means that a pile of gold that dragon has long sat on is an immeasurable wealth. Thorin was affected by coming across vast richest. You think it's a hint at dragon sickness, but that's not what you would think if you never heard the term before.
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The music you play in the background of your intro is amazing. How it builds and builds with this positive energy, it's really well done.
The movies suffered a lot from studio interference:
- Peter Jackson did not have enough time to do preproduction.
- The studios demanded to focus the movies on Bilbo and Thorin instead of all the dwarves.
- The studios demanded a love triangle.
- The studios demanded mid-production to split the 2 movies project into 3 movies.
And for some reason, Gandalf was a lot more stupid in the movies than in the book. For example, book-Gandalf was totally in control of the meeting with Beorn, while movie-Gandalf was a mess.
It wouldnât have been hard to do ONE really really good movie called The Hobbit: An unexpected journeyâ. Most of the pieces are there.
I will agree that there was âstudio interferenceâ but at same time itâs all three directed by Peter Jackson so itâs not like heâs totally free from criticism.
Thatâs why makes me mad the hate on PJ. He did the best he could. If he would had step back, the studio would have still go ahead with the movies and they would have been unwatchable.
@@di3486 look, there is no hate whatsoever on PJ. It is simply criticism for the Hobbit films, thatâs all. Thereâs no reckless hate on the man. But there doesnât need to be speculative shilling as if we know everything that went down. Ultimately a director that has done excellently directed a series of films where the story PLOT didnât go over so well with audiences and thatâs fine because LotR is top notch. No hate here... đ
Lindsay Ellis did a really great in-depth video essay about what went wrong with the Hobbit films. I too was initially mad at PJ for how these turn out, but now I just feel sad for him. Like I wish I could give him a hug. czcams.com/video/uTRUQ-RKfUs/video.html
Yes, Smaug did indeed speak in the book. And his ego was just as lofty...lol.
I love when he starts taunting Bilbo by bringing up the logistics of transporting treasure back home đ and I liked how he figured out more from Bilboâs riddles about himself than Bilbo intended.
Yup, our scaly boy has quite the Napoleon complex
Ya Smaug was done really well (look and personality) except during the silly fight against the dwarves. He is too smart to be fooled by them.
10:38 So I imagine that someone else already answered this question, but on the off chance: the big differences between Bilbo and Smeagol in terms of the effect the ring had on them was firstly: time Bilbo had the ring for many decades by the time LoTR starts, but Gollum had had the ring for centuries, it simply had more time to warp Smeagol into Gollum. But also in the books Gandalf suggests that the circumstances in which Bilbo came to possess the ring were different enough from Smeagol to protect Bilbo from the worst of it. Smeagol stole the ring from Deagol and murdered him for it, so he started off his ownership of the ring with an act of evil that made it easier for the ring to corrupt him. Bilbo, however, didn't hurt anyone to gain the ring, he just found it, and when he had to escape from Gollum, he took pity on Gollum and spared his life rather than kill him. By starting off his ownership of the ring with an act of mercy, Bilbo was protected from the worst of the ring's evil.
In the book, Thorin isn't a first-ring character. The story is very much told through the eyes of Bilbo. In fact even by Bilbo, in his memoirs. Thorin is the mighty-king-to-be in the background. By bringing him to the front they also low key broke him.
The ring actually didnt effect bilbo as much as it did Frodo because Sauron and wasnt as powerful yet
@@rickardroach9075 Agreed. That was why it hurt Frodo so much. The ring was actually trying to escape Frodo and it's why you seen the bruised around Frodo's neck as he was getting closer to Mordor.
The One Ring did poison Bilbo just like it did Gollum, the only difference is that Gollum had it for hundreds of years and Bilbo only had it for less than one hundred. Frodo got wrecked by the Ring way faster because by the time he had it Sauron had regained a lot of strength and had grown more powerful and active and the Ring was also more active in trying to get back to him, plus probably other stuff came into play, like Frodo actually having the Ring on him 24/7 for like a year while going through really stressful situations while Bilbo probably didn't actually carry it on him or used it that much during the following decades while he lived his simple life in the Shire. Also, Tolkien wrote "The Hobbit" first and hadn't decided to connect it with the other more grown-up stories he was creating until later on, so he originally hadn't meant the ring Bilbo finds to be anything more than a regular magic ring, instead of THE Magic Ring of Evil (tm) like he decided later, so maybe that's part of why it originally didn't have such a big negative impact on Bilbo.
One thing you missed, Bilbo started his ownership of Ring by sparing Gollum's life whereas Gollum did by killing his cousin, Deagol. This is why, Ring wasn't able to affect Bilbo as much as it did to Gollum
@@connorkenway8090 Gandalf tells Frodo in the Mines of Moria that the pity of Bilbo will affect the lives of many.
@@cmdrbrantford888 And it did :)
Hobbits are somewhat more resistant to the ring it seems. Frodo showed more effect because not only was Sauron stronger, but the closer they got to Mt. Doom, the heavier the ring got and the more it affected him. Also, side note: Bilbo was the only creature to ever be able to voluntarily give up the Ring once he possessed it, thats some due to Hobbit and much due to Bilbo ( ok I guess Sam also gave up the Ring).
Lee Pace plays the lead character in the movie The Fall (2006). Def one of the most underrated movies, a cinematic masterpeice and def one you should react to.
OMG, yes! đ The Fall is an absolute gem of a film that few know about đ
When you asked who's the master, I said Sho' Nuff! Last Dragon instincts lol. đ€Ș
I'll be hoenst, they did Thranduil dirty in these movies. He is not quite the villainous person they make him out to be. He is certainly flawed, but he comes off waaay more callous than he is.
I actually really like his portrayal! Heâs cold but never cruel and his actions make perfect sense. He came to help the dwarves but, once realizing they are routed, decided against throwing his people uselessly at the mountain. When Thorin is brought before him he offers his help but, when heâs slighted and remembers the stiffneckedness of dwarves, he throws them in prison to cool off. *Spoilers for BotFA* He brings food to the men of Lake-Town (even though heâs dismissive thatâs just him being cold he still brought food) and when Bard asks him for the chance to try diplomacy he allows the parley. He even sends the elves to help the dwarves (even though that scene is kinda ridiculous đ) and only starts to pull back when he realizes the terrible death toll. Heâs far from villainous and while maybe not as party crazy as he was in the book, his choices made perfect sense for what was presented to his character.
I think in a future lotr tv show they should add thranduil and his wife. It would help us better understand his character and why he became so cold.... just a thought
Mordor was already filled with Orcs, and tangentally ruled by Sauron. But he was currently in Mirkwood, in Dol Guldur. And Gandalf actually in the books had an idea by the time he came out from the tunnels, because he did not miss the invisibility trick like the others. And in the there, he actually informs Gandalf here, but does not tell him everything. He tells him everything after the journey ends, and Gandalf questions him about information that was missing in his story. And the fact that he tries to hide it worries Gandalf, because it is not like Bilbo to do so.
6:20 Pass through Mirkwood. ;)
The moment when everyone was excited to see Legolas.
11:11 "That's my wee lad Gimli!! He's going to be your best friend decades from now!" :P
"The movie did... DRAG ON... just a little bit."
Love it.
The reason the One Ring didnât affect Bilbo the way it affected SmĂ©agol is because Gollum had it a lot longer bilbo only had it for 60 years while Smeagol/Gollum had it for over 500 years and it did keep him alive and extend his life a whole lot but it still put him in so much pain and caused him to develop a second personality (Gollum) and it made his appearance really ugly itâs like a what meth or heroin does to somebody after awhile you end up looking like a zombie which what I think Tolkien was going for when he wrote the story
Truth!
Even before this book, there are two others. Children of Hurin, and before that The Silmarillion. There is a wealth of lore in this universe that literally spans thousands of years.
+ Beren and Luthien
If I were running an RPG campaign, as soon as they open the hidden door, the dragon would be getting rolls to smell the change in air. As soon as a dwarf steps inside or lingers near the open door, the dragon would be getting plus to that sense roll.
Smaug was the model for the avaricious dragon. Paranoid and obsessively protective.
The question I had from the beginning, reading it years ago is what was Gandalf's plan? An army of dwarves couldn't do anything. Seven armies of dwarves would give him entertainment and some snacks.
13 dwarves and a hobbit had no chance , so the only factor that made for any confidence at all for the quest was Gandalf vs the Dragon.
One hobbit burglar made no difference, the only thing that made any sense was the wizard, and he might as well have walked in the front door alone.
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"shes like an angel!". talk about the pot calling the kettle! :D
11:49 Ooh, I just noticed that's Lee Pace. He was in one of my favorite dramas, Halt and Catch Fire.
14:29 "I used to be an adventure like you, then I took an arrow to the knee."
if anything, they didnt include enough of Smaugs talking in the movie. quite the elegant wordsmith
I love this girl, and her reactions and demeanor. I'm here for it whatever she uploads. Just a genuine crea tor, who has genuine reactions and interactions with the content throughout the length of its runtime. I've been here since early on, but wish I would have found her about 8 months earlier. You keep killing it girl, you definitely have a loyal following! Great channel. I appreciate all your hard work, and the people who also assist and work in the background that we never see. Just a class channel!!! đđđâ
Edit: This is a far, far better series of films than people give it credit for. I grew up reading at Tolkien, and I ain't mad about them using cgi or trolling everyone for 3 movies just to grab cash. I find it unethical personally, but then one has to argue about the joke that has become microtransactions in top tier video games. Bluntly speaking...... both are dick moves by corporations to take advantage of a consumer base. However, I digress. Great story, great franchise. I'm so glad to watch your reactio s because of the awe and wonder you approach the world Tolkien created. Bravo...... full marks! Great stuff!
30:20 tbh i think the ring gets more powerful as it got closer to mt doom and that's why frodo felt its effects more.
Makes sense. The point where the Ring arrived at Mt Doom put it at its most powerful, and its most desperate. Any mind would have crumbled.
Random fact, Thranduil and legolas are sindarian that's why they look so different from the wood elves in mirkwood, mirkwood is Silvan elves. (Ignore my spelling lol). Also thranduil's father died in the battle of the last alliance.
Another random fact: the reason why thranduil wants the gems so bad was because they were supposed to be for his wife (Legolas's mother) but she never got to wear them. The cement of the girl in the forest is the wife (queen of mirkwood). Also to why thranduil is so cold is because he lost his wife and the only way elves can die is of a broken heart or slain in battle. It's not really told to why thranduil didn't fade after his wife's passing.
The hobbit is supposed to come before lord of the rings.
The river barrel scene was filmed near near Nelson in NZ. I grew up there and even though it was in 76, I remember it clearly. Nelson is so beautiful. I miss it
If there's one thing that's not bad it's the CGI. Smaug is proof of that.
Agreed, the effects are awesome.
Anyway complaining about the CGI is...well, I don't know what...clueless, I think.
I don't think the main complaint is that the CGI was bad.. just that there was too much of it compared to Lord of the Rings. Where they had the time to incorporate a lot of practical to help things feel more real. My one main regret for the Hobbit movies is that they were not given anywhere the amount of time that was needed for them. (originally supposed to be 2 movies, director dropped out and so Jackson had to scrap and start from scratch.. but the deadline was still the same)
You have the greatest reactions, I just finished binge watching all of your uploads. If you havenât seen Forrest Gump please consider adding it to your list. Greatest movie of all time in my humble opinion.
you are so genuine! i love rewatching movies with you!!
This is almost a year old now, but the reason why these Orcs are so big is because they are a bigger, stronger, meaner breed of Orc known as Gundabad Orcs, who served the Witch-King during the War of Angmar, a conflict which itself was a pretty big deal at the time involving the Kingdoms of Arnor and noteable charatcers such as- you guessed it- Elrond.
Thie war left many scars upon Middle-Earth such as the ruins of Amon Sul/Weathertop and the Barrow-Downs, which are Undead-infested tombs and barrows that appear in the Lord of the Rings book.
Long story short: They're Orcs on steroids and way more dangerous than Sauron's rank-and-file Mordor Orcs.
Edit: Also, a Necromancer is a sorcerer specializing in magic pertaining to the dead, death or anything surrounding it. This can involve terrifying curses, the manipulation of corpses including the creation of zombies and other Undead such as vampires, the reaping and harvesting of souls, life-draining blood magic, speaking to ghosts, weaponizing the bitter cold and chill of the grave and supernatural, flesh-eating plagues.
In other words: A type of sorcerer who will annihilate you in utterly gruesome ways or -assuming you survive- traumatize you for life.
Stephen Colbert, who is a total LOTR nut, has a cameo in this film along with his family. He's the guy with the eye patch who knocks on a door.
The ring didn't poison Bilbo's mind as much and as fast as Frodo because as Frodo got closer to Mordor, and Sauron, the ring's power grew stronger. Hence, it affected Frodo much faster.
Both Martin Freeman (Bilbo) and Andy Serkis (Gollum) were members of the cast of Black Panther. As they were the only caucasian actors in the main cast they got the nickname on set as the âTolkien white guys.â
is that real? that's hilarious :)
She actually said, "it's just the leg", hahahaha!