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To be clear IM NOT QUITING MODDED MINECRAFT!
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Brother while I love the game and basically agree with everything u said. Minecraft is too big not to spect to have at leas 100k people in the community that are either idiots or assholes. I suggest taking it easy and not leting it get to you (more easy said than done) as still most of the people love the game and the developers, even the people who agree the game could be handled better. Keep the good work!
@@themodderg1067 i know, idk why it bothers me this much
I use fabric btw
@@Cygnus_MC The "corruption" a community gets after getting too popular, is a sad event though, I get u
@@Cygnus_MC it probably does because u just love this game. I do also aggree with a lot of points you made and just really wished the community wouldn't be as divided as it is right now across 2 Game Versions and like a hundred loaders but I just try to focus on what I like about the game, which currently is developing datapacks since I love the idea to create something anybody can use on whatever java launcher.
I love how they call Mojang lazy but they themselves can't research a bit about Mojang's history and behaviour towards their employees.
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I like how Distance Horizon was made by 1 dude yet Minecraft render dragon goes untouched
@@unsupportiveperson7724 im sorry did you miss the point of the entire fucking video? also distant horizons breaks so much stuff, do you relly think that could go into mainstream without bringing massive troubles?
@@ethanbuttazzi2602 I maintain my position you whiny entity. Stay mad that eastern devs are superior in every way
@@ethanbuttazzi2602 if I find an inch I won't be asking anymore In Minecraft.
Never forget that rage and controversy sells and gains clicks. The real community is truly quite positive, but so many people are vocal about desiring change. Pay attention to the people who are truly positive. They are the pillars of the community.
Couldnt have said it better myself
So you saying that we shouldn't criticise Mojang because it's not positive?
@@iwitas no thats exactly not my point
@@iwitas the point i made was that beeing critical is fine, beeing cynical is not.
But criticizing for the wrong reasons is not only damaging, it doesnt help anyone
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I am a mod dev. And like yeah, technically we can push out a lot of features, maybe more than Mojang itself. But we don't have to worry about the game itself, the servers, the technicalities. And we got bugs, many bugs.
So, mods are mods, and while awesome, their success does not mean Mojangs failure. Sure they have made mistakes, but who doesn't? They are trying to fix it and I believe they are doing so really Well!
And for the question of mod loaders: who cares, really? Yeah sure, sometimes I see a cool fabric mod that I as a forge user can't use, but oh well. All four are good, what's the issue.
People like you are DESPERATELY needed in the Minecraft’s shitty community. You are one of the most positive people I’ve seen in this community in years and this video is fantastic. No fancy editing, no doomposting, none of that bullshit. It’s all genuine. Honestly, Minecraft itself isn’t dead, but the community is on the brink of dying and you’re one of those few diamonds in a community that’s now full of dirt.
Thanks! Altho my editor would like to talk about the "no fancy editing part" lol
we hate on everything for no reason and uh "i use every modloader i can find btw"
true sigma warrior
@@JoseChidoReal ong ong
Finally, thank you! its so cool to find a CZcamsr who isn't all "Oh no Mojang is so lazy they're killing the game and the mob vote is evil" for clickbait.
Honestly I think nearly all of the "heated topics" people are constantly arguing about and blaming Mojang for have a pretty simple explanation if you just stop and actually think about it for a minute, and I find it really annoying when even massive creators with lots of influence just blindly follow these trends.
Either way, thank you for making this! been watching you for a decent while now and love your videos!
Stay cool my dude 😎
It's been almost a year since this channel started and then I started watching it (yes I was there early luckily). And this video shocked me in how "angry" you are at the rest of the Minecraft community for just complaining, and I understand you.
I hope you keep making videos because they are very interesting and often talk about things that can't be seen anywhere else. 100 people might be able to talk about why mojang is lazy or something but there is only one person who tells us about the history of modloaders and server software and that is you!
We all love this game so we have to appreciate all the good things sometimes.
And uhh where is the price of 7:58? 😜
I really appreciate this comment!
Thank you ❤️
And kiz stole it
Only 1 minute in the video and I agree
Edit: This comment wasn't intended to be a top comment, but okay 😅
I would pin it for the hell of it, but eh
There has been so much misinformation and hostility, and it's crazy how pretty much no one with any kind of platform has been talking about it. Thank you for making the video, stuff like this is the only real way to make the community better
I originally almost entirely left the Minecraft community back in October because it was just so damn hateful. I’m a third-party creator for D&D, and that game’s creators are actual corporate assholes who tried to illegally deauthorize the license people like me use to make stuff and make a living. We fought back and won.
And then, a couple months later, here are these spoiled little brats trying to act like they’re oppressed and that they’re rightfully taking what’s there’s?! It made me goddamn sick. Mojang is one of the best developers out there. Good content, healthy business practices, and listens to the community. This community doesn’t deserve Mojang.
Yeah i read about the dnd debacle, goodluck out there soldier o7
Yeah, as a DnD and Warhammer 40k fan, I literally laughed when I looked in to the “controversy” myself. I wish GW or WoTC would treat their fans with *half* the decency Mojang does.
@@riptide3340 i feel you brother, i cry in admech daily
@@riptide3340 I don’t play but I’ve heard about just how greedy GW is. I feel for you man.
First Minecraft video to actually speak some facts
That is quite overdramatic
I truly wish watching this video was mandatory. I have never seen a prior video of yours and I can literally hear your love and dedication for this game/community. I feel the same way.
Amazing, I appreciate you sharing the truth on this! your like the only person ive seen actually be kind about this!
Your channel *seriously* needs more attention!
Thank you!?
"I use 69420 fps mod loader btw 🤓" joking aside you are completely right the actual problem are CZcamsrs which is why I watch you. You are different than them and more like a normal person also sorry for that recording session o7 (yes I didn't find the damn emoji)
No worries bigman, thanks for the compliment!
I too have been very frustrated with some of the toxicity coming out of the Minecraft community as of late, but I will say that I don't think the whole space is rotten to the core, and it *is* possible to step away from the toxicity and find communities and groups that aren't that bad. I do think a lot of the toxicity has been a vocal minority that has ruined it for a lot of people, but I think the best possible solution is to simply be the change you want to see. I personally have started trying to go back to the simpler way of playing Minecraft, not caring about all the opinions that are constantly being thrown around, and I have sometimes been surprised to find myself simply enjoying things that I would have normally thought I wouldn't like. Even though I personally may not like everything that mojang has done in more recent years (frankly, I never liked everything that was changed, so nothing new there) the game I once loved is still there to be played and enjoyed. Don't let them take that away from you :)
I've appreciated your efforts to cover less well known projects that are attempting to unite mod loaders, and your efforts to shout the pros of all the mod loaders (rather than blindly subscribing to one or the other). Choose to continue making videos or not, but thank you for what you have done.
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>Paper is not designed for technical players
One of the issues with Paper that Cubicmetre brought up: it's Bukkit fork that keeps dangling a lot of outdated stuff. Also he shown a case when Paper happen to perform much worse than Fabric server AKA just vanilla MC with a little bit of extra™
>Fabric at the moment does not have the tools for *list of things*
I guess you didn't even bother to look up for server side mods then. Recommend to check out Patbox's mods btw, he did a lot of cool stuff in this regard and even beyond
>Forge can be performant
For owners of weak machines it's often the case that they literally can't launch Forge modpack consistent of similar mods as Fabric counterpart. I've heard of plenty of such cases. And even when mid tier PC is on the table, when we're speaking in hundreds of mods, each FPS, each TPS is a huge victory. People don't use ton of optimization mods to play Bedwars in 5000 FPS, they do so to play modded in stable 60 FPS rather than witnessing their stable 60 FPS dropping to 10
Paper:
Bukkit is showing its age, but its always been the best choice weve had for a long time, fabric is just now getting the mods its needs
Fabric:
Im actually interviewing Patbox and his PolyMC software soon, cool stuff but i guess you didnt "bother" trying to make a minigames server on Fabric.
Forge:
I litterally just did a video that mostly prove there was no difference between fabric and Forges modloaders as forge nowadays uses mixins more and more, loading takes longer yes but now embedium is out i can even get 60 fps with 100 mods loaded on a 970
@@Cygnus_MC Patbox made Polymer, not PolyMC. One is a library and other... something very cursed imo
And as of Forge performance situation: it's manually issue with Forge's libraries doing some things in not really efficient way, as far as I know. And I'm speaking about pre-NeoForge.
Sure, you can just say "screw it" and via some hackery with mixins and access transformers bypass all of its systems with your own interpretations, but most modders will choose easiest route
I'm watching again this video after about one month and I want to say that what you do is excellent. You can talk about stuff without much controversy and without all of that misinformation. Thanks for what you do for us, for Minecraft community! ♥
Another example is 1.20 when it was in early dev and they announced only features that were complete & not announce things that arent fully coded yet & make disappoint, but players still complained, just like when biome revamp was not in 1.19 & cave update got split in 2
An honor seeing you here! And correct, Mojang promises less out of fear of dissapointment
*Cave Update split in 4 but I see your point
I saw people first complain that the update got split in two and then later they complained that the caves and cliffs update was "just" a terrain update.
Im no game dev expert but I am at least a touch familiar with coding and I almost lost my mind. Revamping a whole terrain Gen system, adding new underground biomes, which they hadn't done before, dramatically increasing the world height and extending it to below level zero which was probably hardcoded into the game since it's inception, is phenomenal on its own. Not to mention a new structure which is literally a city, WIRELESS REDSTONE, copper, which helped clutter in the modding community, and probably a ton of other stuff I'm forgetting. Mojang did so much in those two updates and proceeded to then add whole new boss level mob with unique mechanics later as well. All people can do is complain, it seems. I'm tired of it. Compared to so many other companies, Mojang is phenomenal. Also the fact that they understood when they needed to split the update, informed the community in a respectful way, and actually took care of their workers. As far as I'm concerned, Mojang is up there as one of the best game developers. They are absolutely not lazy and it's digusting to see their "community" try to tear into them like they have been.
6:27 Thank you for brining this up, fr. I think the main thing that I would say on this though is that cubicmetre's was seriously lacking in the department of explaining that paper is not bad, but that it is not for technical players. I think he was pissed because he was getting a ton of comments of people asking why things don't work on paper, and that showed in the video. The video itself was informative, but also horrifically simplified and the title was quite misleading.
Uuuugh yeah I totally agree. A lot of these types of people are impossible to talk to: “ah kissing the ass of a major corporation again I see.” It’s like dude no I’m just saying your expectations for updates are outrageous and you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
I agree.
POV: You’re a Halo fan so you’re either a Bungie shill (A good thing apparently because old = objectively good) or a 343 shill (A bad thing apparently because new = objectively bad). Apparently I’m a 343 shill because I prefer Infinite to Halo 3 even though I could write an essay on all the issues I have with Halo Infinite; any of my praises for the game are apparently too circumstantial but all my criticisms are also not enough because 343 bad Bungie good. I’ll praise 343 when they do something good (Firefight is honestly really fun still and Forge is the most powerful map maker it’s ever been) and I’ll criticize 343 when they do something bad (POV: Halo Infinite shop prices). Infinite is not the peak of gaming, but neither is Halo 3, and it’s crazy how invested everybody gets into their franchises instead of stopping, looking around, and realizing we’re all attacking each other over something we should be coming together over the love instead of bicker if the old stuff or the modern stuff is better.
This video pretty much sums it up.
The only thing I campaign for is to make everything on a single loader, kinda like the old days when we only had Risugami's.
For this I suggest Fabric because it's very lightweight and minimal, fast to update and is already home for a ton of solutions, but nothing prevents a new loader to be made exactly for this purpose.
I look at Paper and I realize that it can very well live in modules inside something like Fabric, its API be split from most of the optimizations.
The whole community needs to wake up.
People don't realize that there will always be drama and splitting into projects solves nothing, that the more we split the more we hurt ourselves.
The same goes for Linux, the recent Hyprland fiasco is disgusting from every point of view as an example.
We need to stay strong.
Lunar and everyone that helps keep this amazing channel alive, keep doing your job, we need to start somewhere and having an educator like this one is a great milestone.
There's a mod called Cardboard that aims to implement bukkit, spigot, and paper APIs on top of Fabric.. It's a WIP, but looks promising.
@@OrangeCat__ I know this goes against what I said, but Cardboard should be avoided like the black plague.
The lead dev is kind of a fraud, with multiple incidents of stolen code (should be somewhere on DramaMC) and multiple lies about the status of the project. (the code used to have hardcoded checks to report some plugins as working even tho they weren't)
Politics aside, both Cardboard and Banner (from a Mohist developer) tackle the project in the worst way possible, using the @Overwrites function in a lot of places to do the job quick and dirty, breaking comparability in the process. (Banner is slowly improving on this aspect but it's far from usable and stable)
The only time we had something like this working well was with FukkitMC, but the project died due to a lack of time from the devs.
If you want a more complete statement on the status of Cardboard and Banner, you should check out Patbox's Gist on the matter.
Such an great video
i checked in after a few months and this guy is still underrated as hell
Minecraft is truly cooking on the datapack side!! Idk about people but the datapack community /modding community is on a high time rn, with stuff like yungs better structures or better end/nether mods! personally im grateful for it too, cause i use a lot of the cool stuff minecraft offers to code :)
Psst if u want, i interviewed Yung in another video ;]
@@Cygnus_MC NO WAY!! im up to watch it!
Good video straight to the point !
Regarding the buyout and delay between 1.8 and 1.9.
I actually attended all the irl Minecraft Summit in Stockholm
And jeb said at one of them that the delay was cause by the legal process.
Bassicly the whole code was put on pause and nothing could be added until the buying process was finalized, wich took close to a year.
Then after they sought to correct the game from all the Notch code, wich took several update as we know.
Hope that help clear up a bit this past event.
Holy shit thats something i didn't know!!! Is there footage of this event?
@@Cygnus_MC They told us not to record to respect the speakers, but the information itslef is not private.
You can find vlog about the event itself but it show mostly the fun activities.
Since 2020 it's digital only unfrotunetly :(
If you have questions dont hesitate.
@@AurelienSama feel free to join the discord and add me, this is some good information
Love this raw emotional rant. Keep that spirit man.
Finally!
I've been tired with the minecraft community for a while now
I've felt like I was the crazy one. Thank god, someone with a following said something.
Mojang isn't lazy, they are scared of any change beyond simple block additions
Which is totally fair honestly. Working on a huge game like Minecraft with millions of fans who all wants completely different (sometimes contradictory) things sounds exhausting. I just hope the devs are okay.
That's what I was talking about for the past few years. I hope that CZcams trend of speaking shìt about everything in this game will end here. We need more content makers that will spread voice of reason so that people learn to appreciate what they have.
Just found your channel and can't wait to check out your other Videos about modloaders. I love mods and I love modern minecraft. Although there is a lot of negative people in the community right now, we shouldnt try to prove them wrong, but rather just enjoy the game. That will do the trick.
Welcome to the channel fellow block enjoyer, let me know how u like it!
I always change my mod loader to fit the experience, trying to find the middleground where everyone can have fun together. When others have problems, I will just recommend your channel. If this brings you negative comments, then I am sorry and I really enjoy what you create. Maybe you will have an impact on some people for the better.
I relate how you feel at the end, i was to bullied and this game was there to distract me from secondary school hell. I opened it up in 2017 first time in few years and still today in college
Remember when it used to be the cringe game. Like fortnite is now
@@Cygnus_MC yeah... 😅
@@Cygnus_MC but it was good times 😌
Your videos are some of the best documentation of history related to Minecraft. I hope you can still make interviews and historically relevant content. I understand why the community is making you hate trying to produce this stuff, but it's so valuable, I hope you can find a way to make more anyhow.
If you going, a voice of reason will go out too and there are not plenty of these; We desperately need some
At least, you, yes, you are the source where I get my minecraft news and you are a great source where I inform myself too, one of few
I just think we do need your voice and of course, it is your choosing if it will still be out there, but I just want you to know all of this does matter, even if just for my case only!
You do matter, and your voice does make a change
Nonetheless hope you have an amazing day bludster👍
I really appreciate it ❤️
i think your right
however i think a abstract rant about "the community" is fundamentally analysis that does not properly adress or exsplain the causes for all these things
i think it would be better for a more indepth systemic analysis for why this is so in the first place.
Its more about my personal experience more then the actual reason tbh but maybe
My theory is that the explosion of popularity in 2019 caused it. Before pewdiepies series, it was not cool to play minecraft. Like if people found out you would be made fun of. So the community was mostly made up of people who liked the core gameplay of building cool shit. There were always pvp servers, but it wasn't nearly as popular as it is now. Once minecraft got super popular again though, newer players who are used to more combat focused games latched onto those servers. You can also see this in the kinds of youtube videos that were popular. Before 2019 it was mostly just mod reviews and a couple smps. But then with the new players, it switched to manhunts and speedrunning, which appealed to the newer, more competitive players. In 2020, they released the nether update, which added a new dungeon and a super powerful tier above diamond, which gave them the impression it was a progression and combat based game like terraria. However, because minecraft is not really a combat focused game, these people get upset when updates do not cater towards them. Sure cherry wood looks nice, but it doesn't make more powerful weapons or improve my personal record, so that means its useless, right? Sure a camel adds some nice atmosphere and is a useful early game mount, but why would I use that when I can speedrun the game in half an hour and get an elytra? Basically, people can't appreciate the game for what it is, so they criticize it for what it isn't
TLDR people want minecraft to be terraria when its more like digital legos
@@lunashenck well, back in time we got called nerds for playing any game in general, that was slowly declining and since covid even more normies started to play games.
I can understand why they are upset about minecraft being different game that they expected it to be, I personally find minecraft very boring - I tried beta versions, huge modpacks - nothing got me interested yet, I don't know exactly what is the reason for that, highly possible it is just not my thing. But it is still good to comeback to the game eventually until I get bored again xd
Please dont stop making content you creat, at least take heart that you are making a change in a broken community, and it is only people like you who can revive the good side of the community.
I only use the OG Risugamis Mod Loader with Elemental Arrows, More Stackables, Sign Tags, Death Chest, AudioMod, Floodgate, Spawner GUI, (most importantly) Block Distortion, Griefer Creepers, Recipe Book, Shelf, Biosphere and Armor Stand. And then I throw in ejhopkins Wild Grass and the one crystals Mod I can't seem to find ever again..
The community sucks but we cant change that really. Id say 1.16 was actually the biggest mistake of mojang, if mojang knew how much backlash bcs of the following updates being more "lazy", "small" and "mild" then they would forcefully break the 1.16 into two
The community just expects new ores, dimensions, biomes every update. Even when we get an end update people will want more afterwards. Mojang needs to mkae the people understand
They need to fucking comunicate, the less we know the more we theorize
What about the 1.20.5 - 1.21 update? What is your expectation and opinion on that?
I expect it to be small in gameplay wise but huge in back end stuff, like the snapshots indicate it to be
I'm pretty sure adding the mace showed you that people will milk literally anything In Minecraft
they made custom model data items craftable thats so cool
I'm agreeing with almost everything in the video but the one thing I hate the most is that Minecraft seems to not care about the redstone community at all. They refuse to add quasi-connectivity to autocrafters (which wouldn't just open a whole new world of opportunities, it would also be more consistent since droppers and dispensers react to qc already) and didn't wanted copper bulbs to have a one game tick delay just because these kind of things don't exist in bedrock. But as a redstoner who made redstone in both versions, redstone in java is waaaayy better than redstone in bedrock, it's more reliable (due to update order) and there are a lot more things possible in java than in bedrock (also because of qc). So there should rather make bedrock redstone more similar to java than the other way around (the only thing I miss in java are movable block entities). The things Minecraft didn't want to do because of bedrock where also things everybody in the redstone community heavily wishes to be done and I see no reason to not listen to the redstone community when it comes to redstone features since they know best what's best for Minecraft redstone. I just think there's no one in the Minecraft team that has knowledge about redstone and they don't think it's a big deal for the redstone community to implement the new redstone components differently (not how the redstone community wishes). I also have the feeling Minecraft hates that qc exists in java but they can't just remove it since this would break too much.
Minecraft just disappointed me as a redstoner too often lately the reason why I lost all the hype for the new update and even quitted Minecraft. I don't get why Minecraft doesn't listen to the redstone community at all.
U know what, thats completly fair
What do you mean by "They refuse to add quasi-connectivity to autocrafters"? Autocrafters have not been added, and it seems like you are already making assumptions. How do you know that Mojang refuses to add quasi-connectivity to autocrafters? I don't think minecraft hates quasi-connectivity as it was added in april fools 2023 snapshot/update, probably to test the feature. Mojang is probably planning on combining the java redstone system and bedrock redston system together. The only time I can think of Mojang messing with the redstone community is with the copper bulb change, and I can understand being disappointed in Minecraft for that, but not to the extent you are feeling. I am not a redstoner, but I feel that Minecraft adding autocrafters in 1.21 which is more focused on combat is enough. I do think Mojang focuses on other aspects of the game more such as building and combat, so hopefully one day minecraft receives a redstone update to satisfy the redstone community.
I think the main issue is that Mojang knows Redstone is quite complex already and wants to try and make new features easy to understand. Still holding out hope that they're trying to make the old copper bulb work on bedrock and that's why they haven't added it yet. I still think the crafter is pretty good though.
Actually there are people who work at Mojang who are redstoners. Gnembon for example.
quazi connectivity was a bug that was never suppost to be added into the game, it makes redstone incredably unintuitive and difficult to understand for the average player, mojang has made it clear that they do not want it to be a part of the game (with them not adding it to the bedrock edition which is already notoriously buggy)
MAAAAAN - dont even think about stoping making videos!
stay determined my brother in arms!
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I need to say, I see you and two other Minecraft CZcamsr (Flowstate, Waxfraud) as the future of Minecraft Content. Wish you all the best for this channel (:
Good job. That's exactly my opnion. Finally, a youtuber is talking facts about community ❤
I would hope that on the side of custom modifications more projects would merge, especially the mod loaders/server software, so that most shortcomings can be addressed. Like something like cures forge did to modding so setting up servers for your needs get easier for all the ppl that are hosting servers on one server software with then a browser for server configs so with every part being modular but i guess this will probably not happen any time soon if at all.
The smartest movie I've seen this year.
Greetings from Poland 👌
Oh, btw, there's a few other youtubers that share your opinions about the community being too negative, check out Xisumavoid. There's stuff on his xisumasays channel, a video explaining why mods aren't integrated into vanilla on the main channel, and a couple others iirc.
I think the only way for the narrative to start shifting is to start forming groups/quasi-groups of youtubers that sometimes discuss this with each other in videos. The main problem is probably it being mentally taxing, but on the other hand having a thinking, reasonable person to talk to usually improves your mental health.
civil war
edit: womp womp
Do not let the syndicalists win
womp womp
@@noobymooby-ty8gh nice reference
@@Cygnus_MC what syndicalists? their deds
2:26 i love how the car is going backwards to represent him going back to the statements of people one by one
Yeah! That was totally what i was going for!
(Thats so good why didnt i think of that)
I needed this video
Great video
hell i'm a technical player and even i play on places with spigot or paper sometimes
what we're saying isn't it's bad overall, it's great at what it aims to do, it's just not good for vanilla survival
I have been playing and watching videos about minecraft for over 10 years and I have never encountered any hatred, rants or anything similar. I just play, mod and watch let's plays. Only after watching your videos, I get confronted with this and I was very upset about it, because you are one of the view that cover modding on a technical and developer interview level. You are part of this and you actively contribute.
I am looking forward to your change in direction, specifically ignoring the negative aspects. Celebrate the communities and the devs, instead of calling people out. Share joy, not distaste. But PLEASE stick to modding! You are one of the view creators who cover it from the perspective of developers and technicalities.
i reformed my wax cube to this video
the distance in time between the peak of minecraft and its revival is the same as the distance of time between the revival and now. we have gone through another cycle, perhaps its time for the community to die down again.
That taxi really was going backwards huh or my eyes are playing tricks on me
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Well spoken!
I’m also frustrated with the negativity and cynicism. That said, I think your videos are helping to make a case for those of us who appreciate Mojang and the Minecraft community. I hope you continue to create optimistic Minecraft content to celebrate the community as a whole! ☺️
Why is the car driving backwards?
Great video, I wish there was a modloader that allowed any mod to be used with it.
I play on bedrock and it’s tiring arguing with friends and I hate it. Someone needs to stop the Java community from being so hateful.
This is the reason why I enjoy the Beta-Minecraft content so much lately. People still upload videos playing beta 1.7.3 and even encouraged me to play it myself. I enjoy it, it's simple, it doesn't have overcomplicated mechanics that have been added and started a new war on why Minecraft "sucks" nowadays, no arguments about which version is better, yada yada... JUST a simple version of Minecraft you have to get into because it's been such a long time. And it's great!
Now Imagine needing a year to release an update, changing things over and over and over again and having so many meetings over some pixel content for a game. And when you finally did it, your boss is finally happy and your anger towards this whole situation can be turned into a feeling of pride and happiness, some smooth brained-"organisms" as I would call them here rn, go into the internet, talk big as if they could do everything better and call YOU lazy after making all of this. It's not like Microsoft is the reason updates take so long. Look at the poisonous potato update. They could fingersnap new features into the game like Thanos, but Microsoft wouldn't let them. I feel like every community gets ruined by some annoying sh*ts online nowadays... can't have fun after 2015, awe man
Banger video
Banger comment
I spent a long time working on a Fabric modpack because i thought it had better performance than Forge, but now I'm feeling like i wasted a lot of time because there are some Forge mods i really wish i could use. Was i really just duped? Is there no difference?
I made a video diving into the issue!
I just hope that eventually, we get a modloader that everyone can agree on. I know its probably not going to happen, but one can dream. I do greatly appreciate mods like Sinytra connector for trying to achieve this, and i'm not trying to hate on one modloader or the other, I just think it would be really nice if everything could be done together.
I would call myself a technically interested persaon in regards to Minecraft and have played around and created things with commands blocks from some time. For every snapshot that comes out, I am as much, if not moreso (sometimes) interested in the technical changes to commands, datapacks and more that allow people to create continuously more awesome things inside of Minecraft and I think Mojang has been doing a nice job in bringing the game forward in that aspect with really interesting changes and additions.
the way their driving backwards
Lately I am getting one controversy video after another. The worst part? Most of them have under 100 views!
Btw, I am so glad soemone is finally talking about the real issue.
Fabric does have the Tools for Mini Game Servers...
there is a Server called Nucleoid MC as far as I am aware that is completely Open Source and Collaborative with the Community.
Ill check it out, but the point was that larger servers dont see the benefit in fabric just yet
@@Cygnus_MC yeah true.
I was saying the exact same thing! I rarely find bugs in the game (sometimes in mods but very rarely) but that also could be due to the simple nature of the game 😀
This is so, SO true.
I’ve been so tired of the mod loader war, I’m happy you mentioned it
I remember asking about devs using sinytra connector for the port a few days later someone said forge sucks or fabric is better (idr remember) I was like the eye blinking and “what” meme
I use a custom launcher with every major mod loader built in.
It's helpful to remember that the 1 percent of reddit nerds online, that complain about the mob vote or whine that the updates are "boring," are only a small minority of the overall Minecraft player base. Most players will see the new armadillo and go "Wow new mob? Neat!" or "My wolf can have armor now? Wow!" Instead of going into a 3 hour geek rant about the literary complexities of Minecraft and how it "lost" its original illustrious charm.
Great video, overall a good summary of what is souring the community rn.
It's definitely unfair to criticize Mojang for being lazy for not "making enough content", as overworking the devs is not really something good for them or the game. Although I do think they can be more adventurous with the changes they decide to implement (a good example is the crab claw, it would've changed minecraft in a very significant manner) while scrapping some of the more boring changes to relocate dev time, I can't really blame Mojang's devs for not working enough, my dissatisfaction has mostly come from the approach they have taken.
As for the modded side, I wholeheartedly agree with your points of the community. Having used most modloaders throughout my years in Minecraft, I can definitely say all of them have their uses. I just wish none of these modloaders or bukkit-derivative software tried to establish themselves as the status quo for every player. Paper can't market itself as being for every server, as it doesn't explicitly state that it has made any compromises to any unknowing player. Fabric on the other hand works well with small amounts of mods, however it can't really compare itself to Forge in heavily modded scenarios. Every loader has something it excells at as opposed to the others, and trying to market one as "the ultimate loader" is just misleading.
Those were my ramblings, I hope they weren't too incoherent lol.
Minecraft has been in my life since beta, scine leaving school, getting married, even now my daughter plays it with me and I have a son on the way who will undoubtedly join too.
That fact that it is a quality game that has stood the test of time should tell the community, everything we need to know about it
Finally someone has mentioned it I thought I was the only one who remember just how much code was being changed in the game during 1.7 - 1.13. The only thing I wish that was also mentiend is that before 1.13 Minecraft was still using the old block ID system and from what I remember they where running out of block IDs. 1.13 remove block ID and comply used the new String name system the game uses today. I still remember an early tweet from some dev saying that they cant add colored beds during the time of that tweet cuz it would add too many block IDs. Modloaders like forge got around the block id issue with some fancy trick in code that I don't understand. And does anyone remember just how smooth the game ran during 1.10-1.12? instead of focusing on features they can focus more on performance.
it doesnt help that the community focusses only on a bunch of new features and don't care about changing the code of existing features nearly as much, and its way easier to advertise the mace rather than 10% more fps
minecraft players probably care about few pixels more than their lives, i think it's all started with the fireflies getting canceled and damn peope still care about fireflies so much.
Funny, usually people hate bugs
The fireflies are an interesting case. They were supposed to be food for frogs, but people pointed out that they're poisonous to frogs irl, so they listened to the community and scrapped that idea. Then, other people got angry because they wanted pretty lights to float around but didn't get them and thought it was Mojang being silly. Fireflies weren't supposed to be just a decoration like those people seem to have thought, they were supposed to be food for frogs, which just couldn't have worked. There are mods that add something similar now anyway.
It's not about the feature itself, it's the nonsensical reason behind why it was removed
They removed it in the name of "realism" yet it's completely OK for them to eat lava balls, and it's also OK to feed rotting zombie meat to wolves
@@EmperorPenguin1217 and what pisses me off is that people still talk about it 2 years later, yeah it was fair back in 2022 but now it's outdated
@@Wonky2 _"people got angry because they wanted pretty lights to float around but didn't get them and thought it was Mojang being silly. Fireflies weren't supposed to be just a decoration like those people seem to have thought, they were supposed to be food for frogs"_
I went back to rewatch the original announcement, and it does not line up with how you're portraying it whatsoever. Here's the transcript, from about 2:05:30 in minecraft live 2021;
_"And you're adding another little, little tiny creature in this update?_
_Yes, the fireflies. So you can see them roaming around, adding a lot of ambience to The Swamp, making it feel just nice and cozy at night. But really,_ *_my favorite part of them is just making the world come to life._* _Like feeling like there is life going on all around you and oh, yeah, also they're frog food. Yeah, I forgot to mention that. They're frog food."_
Hate is something that happens to big games like this and I do have my own personal problems with the game.
I do believe that most of the newer content is a bit more fun than past updates, not saying they are bad, but all new content adds more value to the the game but most don't want to accept newer content, because some people are not to adaptable to change.
My point of this comment is not to gain anything none other than hopes that this community starts to accept that this game is bound to change, evolve, all overall be a better game, everyone in my views needs to accept the roots of the game and if notch was still the owner of the ip, minecraft would be a hell load different.
I know that I have been guilty of some of the points I have made here, but in terms of spreading this comment I know that we all make mistakes and it is that we learn from them that makes a difference.
I bought the game ten years ago. Im actually happy and suprised that it still have updates. I feel that people just nitpick.
Updates used to be a lot bigger, since 1.16 updates have been lacking content, even for the big ones like the Clif and caves that was divided into a few updates. I just hope that all the optimizations and updates in the game's code allow for more content heavy updates in the future.
I fail to see how previous updates used to be bigger overall. 1.10 through 1.12 were notoriously lackluster updates despite having a few neat or massive features. I also don't feel like updates have really been lacking content the way the playerbase makes it seem. A lot of what you get out of the game is what you put into it. It's designed to have no objective because your creativity is what creates the objective. Updates will not fix that because it's an inherent design choice, not a problem that needs solving.
I'll be honest, I admire the mojang of the present, while they have their flaws, the fact that they allow, and encourage creative modding and changing to their game in general is a decision that can keep minecraft alive even when the game is in between long update times. And for the record, I use any modloader I can get my hands on which play the mods I want to use.
Thank you. Period. Just thank you.
It has been quite a while since I last subscribed to a Minecraft CZcamsr. I am also sick of the complaining, and ungrateful people in this community. I started playing Minecraft at the end of 2019, and I've seen a lot of stuff and learned a lot about the game. I would have never thought a game would last as long as Minecraft has. The fact that it even gets updated still is amazing. Sure, there have been things in updates I didn't like, but it's still Minecraft. Thanks for sharing something different than other content creators, your video seemed genuine.
I use arclight (fabric and spigot plugins) BTW
Instead of saying mojang is "lazy" they should be developing more tools to make updating minecraft easier. They also need to work on increasing performance for minecraft by maybe trying to implement features from mods into minecraft, like immediately fast, memory leak fix, ferritecore, and entity culling. It does not need to be done all at once, just get added eventually. Infact, this approach has already been done with the starlight mod.
I just wanna go on record that I have made every important farm on a paper vanilla server. From an extremely complex mangrove farm with a very finicky ilmango vertical piston block mover, fallenbreath tree farms, multi-sorters that rely on subtick mechanics, to cubic's own blast chamber and first (second? Not the mega tall-one but not the most optimized one either) iteration copper oxidizer. Granted, we were as optimized as we could be with other forks of paper, but that's definitely besides the point - do your research on what's right for you!
The idea that you can't use paper and what has been built off of it is silly. No, it's not for someone trying to break vanilla minecraft, just everyone else :)
Is that you vert?
2:38 I can't focus on the points being made because you're in a car driving backwards AT SPEED without a seatbelt on.
You're welcome
Im pretty sure 12 hour crunches are not legal in Sweden
Exactly, hence why they don't do them
You sound like an voice of reason, in an ocean of yelling. I have seen a lot of videos like you said and your perspective is honestly refreshing and reasonable. I didn't even know Minecraft had an mod loader or the server issues. This is a pretty good video, enough so I wanted to comment, its an shame you are tired by the community's toxicity.
It gets tiring to get the same comments over and over and over again, and all the bigger people then me are just feeding the flames more and more, im not saying im the only reasonable one, but i do feel isolated yknow
Finny Someone standing up for mojang
A lot of people need to realize that these updates are free. and even if they are bad and even if mojang doesn't give what they promise at the end of the day its a fun game that is really meant for the developer, modder and casual player. the point is that you can make and play whatever you want. That's the real beauty of the game. a lot of people get echo chambered and bombarded by opinions its easy to forget about the silent majority of players just having fun building a house and surviving their first few nights before moving on to a different world. The community is actually overwhelmingly wholesome and positive. most people who just watch the latest minecaft drama video and comment on youtube videos dont actually play the game.
Fr, people are complaining about a game they bought when they were 8 not getting bigger updates while other companies make you pay a sub just to log on to their buggy mess of a “video game.” Not to say Mojang is perfect, but I think the 40$ I paid 15 years ago has more than earned itself by now lol.
ngl, you do have some valid points about the community, we as players and viewers of the minecraft development don't know anything how things works at mojang, this can be either their fault or more likely ours. Mojang should be more communicative and should only announce things that are 80 to 90% developed. What i mean is to not announce things that are in concept because this create expectations. About the mob vote, many are angry about it because since its first mob vote, we didn't get any of the other mobs and yet they announce even more mob votes, increasing the amount of mobs in the waitlist to be added after.
isn't only announcing things that have been fully developed exactly what they did for 1.20 and 1.21? and yet that just made the community anger
9:40 to be honest I still believe Quilt is a drama loader and neoforge is for the most part a rebranding (ignoring the drama), but that's because both of these projects are in their infancy developement wise and still don't have defining characteristics differentiating them from Forge and Fabric
They actually do have some stuff setting them apart, just not enough
I feel like you have the people who say that minecraft is changing to much and is becoming like modded minecraft and the people who say that minecraft isn't getting enough updates and then mojang just trying to make a good base game for people to make their own through custom worlds, servers, mods, ect and not wanting to add things that could conflict with that or ruin a certain part of the community.
and then because of this nobody's happy and we all take our anger out on mojang and hate on them for being cautious and adding to little content or trying to make the game better and less stale with some new content or anything else they do at all really
There is just no winning for them
I mean you just can't make everyone happy because there are a variety of people playing minecraft with varying even opposing interests....
@@jeppy4021 exactly!
LINUX MENTIONED! +1 sub
you can actually have optimizations without compromises
it just matters how you apply those optimizations
there are genuine optimizations in certain mods which dont compromise the compatibility with other mods or even vanilla behavior itself, its all about how its applied vs how it performs
to have optimizations with compromises will have better performance, but then you are going outside of optimization and going into overhauling
Im not saying you can't, im just saying sometimes you have to
I know it's dumb, but It was a jumpscare seeing my comment in the video.
Minecraft server software just needs to be revamped. The 2013 Bukkit code still there. Something like Velocity needs to happen to backend.
Oh yeah totally agree! I hope the paperhardfork just happens soon