Understanding Halloween 4 (1988): The REBOOT of Michael Myers
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- Welcome to the Fourth Part of the Halloween Franchise Retrospective. 1988’s HALLOWEEN 4: THE RETURN OF MICHAEL MYERS saw the Michael Myers saga reborn, after finally cutting all ties with series creator John Carpenter. The end result was a film that looked to start a brand new franchise, rather than just following up on what had happened so far.
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FILM CLIPS USED:
Halloween (John Carpenter, 1978, Compass International Pictures)
Halloween II (Rick Rosenthal, 1981, Dino De Laurentiis Corporation)
Halloween III: Season of the Witch (Tommy Lee Wallace, 1982, Dino De Laurentiis, Universal Pictures)
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers (Dwight H Little, 1988, Trancas International)
Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers (Dominique Othenin-Girard, 1989, Trancas International)
Halloween: 25 Years of Terror (Stefan Hutchinson, 2006, Anchor Bay)
Halloween H20: Twenty Years Later (Steve Miner, 1998, Dimension Films)
Halloween (David Gordon Green, 2018, Miramax, Blumhouse)
The Evil Dead (Sam Raimi, 1981, New Line Cinema)
Evil Dead II (Sam Raimi, 1987, Renaissance Pictures)
A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 3: Dream Warriors (Chuck Russell, 1987, New Line)
A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 4: The Dream Master (Renny Harlin, 1988, New Line)
Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives! (Tom McLoughlin, 1986, Paramount)
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood (John Carl Buechler, 1987, Paramount)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 (Tobe Hooper, 1986, Cannon)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation (Kim Henkel, 1994, Columbia)
Back to Basics: The Making of Halloween 4 (Sean Clark, 2013, Red Shirt Pictures)
Cinema Showcase: John Carpenter (1984): • Cinema Showcase profil...
John Carpenter Interview with Bobbie Wygant for ‘Starman’, 1984: • John Carpenter for "St...
Moustapha Akkad Interview - Halloween: • Moustapha Akkad Interv...
MUSIC USED:
Halloween: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (John Carpenter, 1978)
Halloween 4: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (Alan Howarth, 1988)
Excerpts from ‘A Nightmare on Elm Street: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack’, Charles Bernstein, 1984, and ‘Friday the 13th: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack’, Harry Manfredini, 1980
All film clips and images are used under Fair Use.
I typically watch Halloween, Halloween 2 and H4 as s trilogy. The ending is great and drives home the idea of the first one. Pleascence plays Loomis’ reaction PERFECTLY! It’s all over his face, like: “NO! It’s can’t be, not again! NOT AGAIN!”
Those three are about as far as you can get before they start walking back plotlines. All really fun movies, and the more Donald Pleasance, the better, he's always amazing.
MorbidMoonlight Yes! Exactly! That’s the ONLY reason I ever even tolerated 5 &. 6, is Bc of Donald Pleascence
@@chrisfeeney5814 I love 1, 2, 3 and 4. But if I want to watch the Michael Myers ones, I watch 1,2 then 4 as a trilogy as well. And yeah, 5 and 6 I watch just for Donald Pleasance. And that's it of Halloween for me. 1 through 6 is all I enjoy or tolerate.
@@chrisfeeney5814 I have to give 5 a bit of an honorable mention, I don't count it as it was def a decline in quality and turned the series on a bad direction,
but I can't just throw out Danielle Harris performance, the car chase (and I LOVE that car!) and final pursuit in the house were good stuff.
It's also the only other bit of Rachel we get, tho it's bittersweet obviously since she's dies but much as I hate it was nice to see her for a bit.
@Chris Feeney AMEN! That's my trilogy too! It brings the story to a wicked closure, despite Laurie being only referenced. With Danielle Harris dressed as young Michael, committing her stabbing, plus Pleasance's reaction, it's all the closure we need. Every movie after 4 is lacking in major areas.
With the exception of how silly Micheal looked, this is my second favorite of the franchise. The casting was magnificent.
His mask and squared frame did put me off at first, but kinda grew on me. The mask of course is completely new, so I can live with it looking a bit different even if it is odd. As far as his broad posture is concerned, I felt it lended him an uncanny physicality that, while not ideal when compared to the first 2 films, still works pretty well for this one.
I love how Michael looks in this movie, the mask looks so creepy!
Halloween 4 is a great and respectful entry in the long running franchise.
No it's not... Loomis and Michael die in a hospital fire which was essentially the end of the franchise... now if u wanna say michsel survived the fire then okay whatever but to bring back Loomis as if he would've survived that hospital fire is beyond me... 4,5,6 killed the franchise for me... halloween 1,2, and H20 were the best halloween movies for that franchise by far.
@@dashawn6985 Halloween 2 kind of disrespects the ending of the original.
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That used to be the root cause of my bias towards 4. Didn’t like it the first time I saw it. I didn’t think it was bad persay, I just hated the fact it ruined the perfect ending of 2. Now that I think about it, 2 kind of ruins the perfect ending of 1 to continue the story, so it doesn’t really matter! Love both films now!
Halloween 4 absolutely had the best atmosphere since the Original in 78.
Danielle Harris did an excellent job acting considering her age
4 is the only Halloween sequel that I actually like.
Me as well.
For me too!
This one introduced me to the franchise. That’s why the mask from 4 is my favorite ❤️
My theory Halloween 4 Michael is an outright pissed off Michael, he no longer cares about planning things out as it caused him to get engulfed by flames. He wants revenge, but is unable to kill his sister because she is dead, so he has to hunt his niece down. He gets sloppy and gets kill hungry like a violent brute. After the evil realizing he's getting sloppy and losing his touch, it leaves him and enters her.
4 is the best after the original IMO. The opening credits alone are amazing, it’s maybe the only one of the series that actually feels Halloweeny
Atmospheric right? Didn't even need the Halloween Theme playing.
I prefer it to the original. Michael Myers feels a much bigger threat. And I hated all the grunting noises he made in the first one, and how he kept fainting.
@@BruceL33Roy “Halloween 4 Opening Credits for 10 hours” someone please make that lol.
@@aidanlynn Can probably look online and find Fall Montages or something like that lol Beautifully shot film. Nothing has come close to the scope of 4 ironically ha
I agree. I love the opening of 4
Honestly you seem to have forgotten the elements of Halloween '78 that showed and proved Michael Myers was much more than just the take of an "ordinary man" that anyone might know. The biggest clue is that superhuman strength in the original film that had him handling one of the party guests with one hand in the kitchen and slowly lifting him up by his face to then run a huge knife thru him pinning him on the wall. No one ordinary could ever do that. Then with the climax being shot six times at point blank range and over the upstairs balcony landing on his back - to just get up and walk away cemented he was anything but ordinary.
Loomis wasn't an 'ordinary man' either.
He committed suicide end of part 2. Was stabbed. Had a heart attack and of part 5 I believe.
@@cinematicgames One doesn't need to be superhuman to carry a tombstone across town, that's why I left it out of my comments. And remembering the sight of it, it was real small. Carpenter hasn't forgotten anything, that's why he started the saga and has never returned to direct another. Far less talented filmmakers have put their own spin on the legacy. Supernatural is supernatural, I'm not putting a grade on it per film. Those later films might as well been made by Looney Tunes.
Carpenter himself has stated in interviews that he actually intended The Shape to seem like a regular normal human being but also vaguely and ambiguously superhuman at the same time. Part of why he never wanted a sequel (even Halloween 2) was that he never wanted anybody to definitively explain Michael Myers (and if Freddy's Dead and Jason Goes To Hell are anything to go by, he's absolutely right)
@@michellelincoln9987 Intention is not the same as production. Despite what Carpenter said or alluded to, Michael Myers taking six slugs in the chest point blank range out the window on his back, getting back up to walk away is absolutely nothing about being a regular normal human being. You can't blame future writers and directors expanding on the mythos of the supernatural superhuman strength of this iconic character. Halloween franchise leads the other two horror franchises by more than a $100M dollars box office, it's not concerned about Freddy and Jason whatever direction they go in.
@@mrjones29 ummmm, when was the last time you carried a tombstone across town? Just as I thought. Those things are heavy as hell plus the Judith Myers tombstone wasn't small in the least. You carry a tombstone that size across town then we'll talk
Amazing video for my favorite sequel. To me, this is the most accurate portrayal of the character as I see him, atmosphere and all.
Halloween kills really recaptured the "Boogeyman" aspect.
It’s probably my favourite Halloween Sequel
See, conventional wisdom is Part 2 is the best sequel, but I actually think Part 4 is really growing on me, and is a more entertaining movie than H2.
@@MorbidMoonlight it's not a quality movie, but i love it for its entertainment
At the end of the day, that's whats important, really.
@@MorbidMoonlight I feel like I am seeing sentiment shift to Part 4 and H20 in recent years. I think the fact that Part 2 doesn't really add that much to the series and feels like part 1, but not as good makes the more unique and additional elements of part 4 and H20 have more value. I personally hate Halloween 2, and I have not watched any other sequels. To me the only film that matters is part 1.
My favorite Halloween movie. Donald Pleasance is great in this and really gets the focus more than in any other Halloween.
My favorite too….easily the scariest one…i know his mask gets hate, but i personally think its the creepiest mask…the pale white with the black eye holes and slit for lips makes him look more inhuman
It definitely my favorite one and I love the mask it has such a creep factor to it!
My favorite as well
@@bnferguson9827 I agree
@@ziggybammurphy1645 I agree .. The mask is so plain that it makes it the creepiest to me
They even put shoulder pads on him to make him look even bigger than he already bid lol
Terrible decision. The mask on Halloween 4 is pathetic too
@@billsimms2511 I think fans read too much into Michael Myers. His mask is not meant to look pretty, it is a vehicle used to hide his identity from the audience. That’s all there is to it. It doesn’t have to look any particular type of way.
@@PinocchioDread Agree, I loved the 4 mask, it looked so...faceless, perfect for a man who is mostly a mystery.
Danielle Harris revealed in 25 Years of Terror, when her character runs through the neighborhood screaming for help someone legitimately called the cops, "I was banging on doors, yelling for someone to help me, help me, after I got lost trick or treating or something. So, 4 o'clock in the morning, they're hearing a little screaming up the streets, and someone called the cops. The cops came. Then the story ended up in The Inquirer that I was almost kidnapped off of the set."
Just so Danielle Harris wouldn't be scared, George P. Wilbur would often lift up his mask between takes to remind her that they were just making a movie and that he was not really going to hurt her.
The girl Lindsey who drove Rachel and Jamie to the discount mart was going to be revealed as Lindsey Wallace from Halloween (1978) and have a larger part in the film as Rachel's friend and helping her babysit Jamie, but that was cut for budget reasons. The third boy hanging out with Brady and Wade in the drug store was meant to be Tommy Doyle from the original film.
Danielle Harris sold the clown costume to a fan
Dwight H. Little did extensive research on the history of Halloween and many of its harvest images were put in the creepy opening sequence.
Jamie's name in the original script was Brittan "Britti" Lloyd but was changed in homage to Jamie Lee Curtis.
Series creator John Carpenter wrote a treatment for this film that had a more ghostly psychological approach to the Michael Myers mythos. It concerned the town of Haddonfield and what effect the events of the first two films had on its citizens. This concept was later rejected by the producers in favor of the typical slasher fare, at which point Carpenter left out of the film, making this the first in the series to have no participation from him.
The mask on the movie poster looks more like the one used in the first two Halloween films than the one in Halloween 4. (Because it is from a still from the second movie)
During production of the rooftop chase, Ellie Cornell was injured by a protruding nail as she slid down the roof. After a quick trip to the local hospital she finished the scene with her bandages in place. According to Danielle Harris, "It didn't even faze her."
Leaves had to be imported and squash was painted to look like pumpkins.
After finishing the film, Danielle Harris kept the clown costume and wore it trick or treating, according to Joe Bob Briggs on his show The Last Drive-In
In the schoolhouse, Michael's mask appears, briefly, with blonde hair. This mask was the original type chosen for the film. However, it was decided to go with a design with brown hair, resulting in re-shoots. The mask with brown hair was chosen to match the style seen in the first two films in the series, with the blonde-haired mask appearing only in the schoolhouse sequence.
eorge P. Wilbur wore hockey pads under the jumpsuit to give Michael Myers a much more imposing figure. This is revealed in the documentary Inside 'Halloween 5' (2000), where it is revealed that Don Shanks, who played Michael Myers in Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers (1989), was big enough that this was not required.
The drugstore set was also used in Stephen King's The Stand (1994).
1988 was the first year in which all 3 of the then top horror franchises (Halloween, Friday the 13th, and A Nightmare On Elm Street) all released new films in the same year: Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers, Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood, and A Nightmare On Elm Street 4: The Dream Master. Additionally, the first Child's Play was also released in 1988, as were Hellbound: Hellraiser 2 and Phantasm 2, all of which would also become major horror franchises.
The H4 mask has received a primarily mixed reaction from fans. Many have stated that the mask's appearance is too blank. Some have found its expression to be more clown-like than the original. The quality of the mask has also been criticized as it appears more flimsy than the others. Others have praised its emotionless "manufactured" style look, citing its similarity to cheaper store bought masks.
When Dr. Loomis asks for Sheriff Brackett at the police station, the deputy says that Brackett retired in 1981. This is a reference to the year of Halloween II's release where Sheriff Brackett was last seen.
Film debut of Danielle Harris.
This film is the first time Michael Myers is credited with his name, as opposed to bring credited as "The Shape."
Due to budgetary reasons, this was the first Halloween film to be shot in the 1.85:1 aspect ratio.
Jamie Lee Curtis reportedly had no interest in reprising her role as Laurie Strode. So the fourth film's leading female character Jamie Lloyd was developed as Laurie's daughter and replacement. Laurie herself was supposedly killed in a car accident 11 months before the events of the fourth film.
George P. Wilbur is the third tallest actor to play Michael Myers at 6'2½.
The film states that Jamie Lloyd is 7 years old. The character is played by 11-year-old Danielle Harris.
Having another character wearing a mask and costume identical (or similar) to Michael's was used in Halloween II, Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers, Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers, and Halloween Resurrection.
For his role as Michael Myers, actor George P. Wilbur was often filmed in mirror reflections or off-center. The audience rarely received a full view of the character, in order to add an air of mystery to the serial killer.
The film was shot during March 1988. Practical effects were used to create autumn-like scenery details, such as withered leaves.
The film was intended as a direct sequel to "Halloween II" (1981), bringing back major characters from the first two films in the series. The production team decided to ignore events and characters introduced in "Halloween III: Season of the Witch" (1982).
Ellie Cornell kept the jean jacket
The original filming location and stand in for Haddonfield in the "Halloween" series was Pasadena, California. The production team of the fourth film decided against filming in Pasadena, because it would require an increase in production costs. The filming location for the fourth film was instead Salt Lake City, Utah.
Michael doesnt acquire his trademark kitchen knife until 1hr9mins into the film, and he kills only two people with it.
The Myers house was not used in this installment
This was the first Halloween movie with the highest kill count with 17 people killed by Michael until it was surpassed by Halloween Kills (2021).
George P. Wilbur was 47 playing the 31 year old Michael Myers.
In the film, serial killer Michael Myers awakes from a coma on October 30, 1988. October 30 (the day before Halloween) is the traditional date for Mischief Night, an informal holiday devoted to jokes, pranks, vandalism and parties. The holiday has been nicknamed "Devil's Night" in Detroit, Michigan, because of its association with a series of arson cases from the 1970s to the early 1990s.
The first Halloween movie in which Donald Pleasence stars without Jamie Lee Curtis.
George P. Wilbur (Michael Myers) has said in an interview that his favorite kill in the movie is when he kills Kelly Meeker (Kathleen Kinmont) by pinning her to the wall with the shotgun.
The scene in which Michael kills the mechanic was originally shown with Michael stabbing the mechanic in the throat with the crowbar it was ultimately cut because it was deemed too gory.
Body count: 19 (including the dog)
Jamie's dog Sundae is the third dog to die in the series.
This is the first movie in the series that Michael Myers kills before October 31st. He murders all four people in the ambulance on the night of October 30th.
Michael killing Kelly by pinning her to the wall is similar to how he kills Bob in Halloween (1978), except he pins Bob to the wall with a knife and Kelly with a shotgun. Rudy's death in a later film, Halloween: Resurrection (2002) is also similar, except he's pinned by three knives to a door.
Four people in the movie die by getting stabbed: mechanic with a crowbar, Kelly impaled with a shotgun, Al and Orrin both stabbed with a knife.
Halloween 4 was way better than it had any right to be. I didn't see it for many years because I was so annoyed at the concept but found it pretty enjoyable and workman like when I did get around to it. You're right, though, it's essentially a reboot, straight into the unfortunate Thorn trilogy. I don't care for 5 and 6 but I'm fascinated with the behind the scenes stories.
Loving your Halloween series. You definitely deserve way more subscribers!
I was amazed, watching it again, that I actually think H4 is less cynical and perfunctory than H2, I think because its trying to do it's own things more.
Thanks for your thoughts, glad you're liking the series. Its definitely an intriguing franchise.
@@MorbidMoonlight yes! And oddly that's making me re-evaluate H2O as well. I'll be curious to see your video on that if you go that far.
H20 is definitely on the list, I'll get around to it eventually, even though it'll take me a while probably. I'll be interested to see how it hits me this time around.
@@MorbidMoonlight outstanding! Glad to hear it. Take your time, I'll definitely watch.
H4, by itself, isn't a bad movie. It's not great but it's not terrible either if you know what I mean. The problem is 4 is what sets up the entire Thorn trilogy. So once you have the totality of 4, 5 and 6 you then understand what 4 is setting up towards. This makes the movie complete trash not by its own fault but the studio for the direction they took this franchise in afterwards. Because this storyline is now amplifying H4s faults, which it has several. The mask is awful. The bulky padded Michael was awful and robotic in movement. And the last 20 minutes of the minute is straight garbage. Michael's look and movements could have been overcome if they didn't go into the Thorn trilogy. The last 20 minutes also doesn't play as bad if Jamie Lloyd is just abandoned as the film tries to portray her as a killer or if there just isn't another movie.
Halloween 4 rocks. I've always said it's the best sequel in the Myers franchise. I loved Halloween 2 also, don't get me wrong, but I just think Halloween 4 overall is a better film.
Halloween 4 was the first one I ever watched when I was young and fell in love with the franchise. It also introduced me to the lovely Danielle Harris.
It’s not a reboot it’s a sequel and a bloody good one
I find it interesting how all of the “trilogies” mirror each other. 1 and 2 fit nicely together while 3 is distinctly removed… and looks like the Blum House Trilogy is going that way with the time jump for Halloween Ends. I even look at Zombie’s Halloween as 2 movies stuffed in one with his sequel as the third distinct act, and definitely different style.
I’m a fan of the Thorn trilogy, at least with The Producer’s Cut of H6 as the third film - they’re not perfect, but work together to tell an interesting story. H4 was a soft reboot 30 years before Halloween (2018), and just like the Blum House Trilogy it ultimately works best if you don’t directly think of it as following the original 2 films, rather inspired by that mythology.
I for one don't need any convincing
I've always seen Halloween IV as just as much of a reboot as H20, Halloween 07 and Halloween 18
I was just having this exact same conversation with my mom a few months ago, wondering why more people don't see Halloween IV as a reboot
I totally agree. It strikes me as being a "soft reboot" like Jurassic World.
Technically it's a sequel, but the idea is to recapture the magic of the original story, borrowing many of the same elements or even story beats.
@@Yanolala yeah, I was talking about Halloween a few months ago with my mom and as I was talking about the Jamie Lee Curtis reboots (H20 and Halloween 18) it occurred to me that if you counted both Halloween 07 and Halloween IV, technically the series actually had four reboots
yeah, Halloween IV is a soft reboot but it's definitely a reboot.
Everyone writing it saw it as a sequel, the series could perfectly end after this, the sequels after it were just empty cash cows, I mean 5 had it's moments but was still a huge step down and obvious attempt to just make a quick buck off the success of 4. 6 was just...well, what else can be said at this point.
1, 2, 4 make a perfect trilogy. (I do like 3 btw just it's obviously not part of the story line).
@@mattstorm6568 Everybody writing it saw it as a sequel, but not everybody involved in it had the idea that the series could end perfectly after it. The only way the series would have ended after it is if it had flopped. Pretty sure it's common knowledge now that Mustapha Akkad never intended this to be where the series ended and that he always intended to have more sequels after this. That's the same problem Halloween 5 had, where the writers were instructed to add in future plot points they had no idea were gonna pay off or how (spoiler alert: they really didn't) because Mustapha Akkad intended there to be yet another sequel. Its actually a good thing that Halloween 6 was so bad that it flopped, because Mustapha Akkad intended to keep crapping out sequels as long as they turned a box office profit. There is still one thing left to say. Why do people keep questioning why Halloween 6 has a Producer's Cut instead of a Director's Cut? it's cuz Mustapha Akkad really wanted that incest plot thread in the movie smh
@@mattstorm6568 tl;dr Halloween IV had a very much Friday 3/4 ending, as far as the writers were concerned. If it flops, at least we killed him off definitely. Halloween 5 on the other hand had an unnecessary cliffhanger ending because Mustapha Akkad is an idiot.
Fantastic video!
Thanks a lot. Out of interest, are you a Halloween 4 fan?
Excellent video man. This was a great insight on the production and story behind probably the best Halloween sequel.
Up until recently I had Halloween I, II, and H2O as a Trilogy with a "Happy" ending, choosing to ignore that pile crap that followed Resurrection.
Then I rewatched Halloween IV and realized that this film works perfectly as the Downer Ending of a separate Trilogy with I & II. Again, choosing to ignore the two Ultra Piles of Trash Revenge and Curse of Michael Myers.
The mask is awful in part 4. Plus Myers has an odd body shape. The movie itself is decent in my opinion.
Yeah, the pumped up physique is a little OTT.
I've always wondered, though, if the fact that the eyes are covered up for the H4 mask is due to the fact that he's wearing the mask over the top of his bandages, which would explain why it looks a little bulkier.
I still have no idea why they went with shoulder pads.
I loved the mask, at times I agree on the body with the shoulder pads and stuff but overall I thought Michael looked great in this.
@@MorbidMoonlight if you pause it In the shop scene when Micheal puts on his mask you can see his face it’s really pale and white
I’ve always wish they did a side story spin off as a direct sequel to Halloween four
Isn't that what Halloween 5 is?
@@MorbidMoonlight 5 disregarded what the setup at the end of 4. Would love to see a direct sequel to 4. Mid 90’s jamie llyod gets released from juvenile detention at the age of 18 due to a state law. Call it a spin-off Halloween Stories: Jamie Llyod. Also would like to add the anthology store with old Charlie Bowles from Russellville.
@@rhodycars6058 Halloween 5 did progress from what H4 set up. It makes me wonder what fans think H4 was suppose set up for the future.
@@PinocchioDread you think 5 played off 4? I reversed the ending of Jamie killing her mother and they almost never revisit it besides some mental link with Michael. They make her a mute and diminished Jamie. Rachel gets killed in the first act. The man in black is just a contrivance.
@@rhodycars6058 I gotta disagree, it may have made a good ending of 4 but when you honestly try to picture Jamie going around taking over for Michael, the sight of it would be ridiculous.
Halloween 4 is my favorite after the original, I love the atmosphere and I think overall it’s a solid movie that brings excitement.
It's definitely my favorite Halloween sequel
I would like to see you cover the Friday the 13th films. I know you haven’t finished these Halloween videos, but you seem to be able to analyze slasher movies really well
It’s the best. I enjoy actually watching it more than the original.
I put Halloween 4 as my favorite out of the entire franchise it just really does it for me.
I don’t care what anyone says. I have a big soft spot for Halloween 4.
this video has really opened my eyes about this series. the new 2018 timeline and now halloween kills it seems to be going back to this whole action/spectacle aspect…what with the mob and the emergency services getting butchered trying to save him.
I tell you what, I'll be annoyed if, after taking so much time to trash the sequels, and claim to be honouring the original movie, these new films just end up redoing basically exactly the same storylines.
@@MorbidMoonlight It seems they're actually doing that.
You have a great series here. I'd love to see you continue with part 5 please.
This video is brilliant! It's my favorite video.
I see I'm not the only one who sees that Halloween IV basically turned Michael Myers into Jason Voorhees 🤣
H4 Is my favorite franchise I just love the whole movie
HIs eyes grew back and he also sported some American football shoulder pads. Makes sense.
George Wilbur( actor who played Michael) just had broad ass shoulders ha. He did have a awkward build haha
It’s not a reboot, it’s a direct sequel.
@@kayzeaza What sequel or remake isn't an attempt to revive?
@@mattstorm6568 Exactly. 💯💯💯
Reboots can be sequels. Look at (spoilers for a Sci-Fi series rebooted in the 2000s) Star Trek.
Halloween II
0:47 these days the people who just create "products" refer to themselves as "content creators"
Halloween 4 is like Alien Resurrection for me getting into the franchise.
Dude, these videos are great and you should keep it up. I havent checked out your channel yet for videos other than these Halloween ones, but I'm interested in retrospectives you might have other franchises, horror or not
Thanks a lot. Very much looking forward to getting stuck into some other franchises myself.
Excellent and cool videos on the Halloween franchise. I hope there is a retrospective analysis of Revenge of Michael Myers down the line...
But still I would say that Halloween 1978 was and still is the best movie in the Halloween franchise
@19:18 he’s admiring his work
Have great content love the channel man keep up the good work
Great work! Looking forward to more!
i always wondered how did those bullies know that michael is her uncle?
Halloween 4 really is a mixed bag isn't it?
Love this documentary
Great essay man you deserve more love
Great videos brother
Michael’s mask looks good in most scenes and shots in Halloween 4. But there’s a few shots where Michael’s mask looks horrible.
That's why he's called the shape
Mustopha screwed the franchise so bad. Him playing fast and loose gave the franchise a bad look. Also John carpenter screwed things up to by getting bull headed and letting go of the franchise. There needed to be somebody there to check mustopha when he took things in a bad direction.
He made tons of money from Michael that's the reason he kept bringing him back even when it wasn't the right time. I hope he regretted some of the choices he made.
Yeah Carpenter should have said "no" to sequels then we would have just one masterpiece film not tainted by sequels. And I like sequels, as Child's Play 2 and Friday the 13th part 4 are among my favorite horror movies, I just think that Halloween works way better as a singular work.
Hope you review the whole series so far 😊
Still the best and rules number 1 as the best sequel to me!
Not going to argue with Bruce Lee...
@@MorbidMoonlight you rule in my opinion as well just for making a great video. Keep it up 🙏👍
Halloween 4 is awesome. You can't say anything bad about it.
Love 4 it’s my favorite
Great video and from a fellow Scot! I subscribed, you deserve more subs btw!!!
Halloween3 season of the witch has to be one the best 😎
The FIRST Halloween "legacy sequel".
This one had the best ending IMO
Halloween 1 had the best ending.
Halloween 4 is good. Only thing that bothers me so much is Michaels mask.
The film cover for Halloween 4 shows 1978 mask, but the film itself had a completely different one that looked bad.
Yeah, they definitely knew what they were doing not using the Halloween 4 mask for the promotional stuff.
@@MorbidMoonlight Someone has GOT to deepfake the 1978 mask in Halloween 4. Can you imagine?
Uh, It's not the Van Helsing and Dracula relationship, its the Belmonts and Dracula relationship
Less than three minutes in, at around 2:40, it's stated that the "most important thing to bear in mind" is that Moustapha Akaad wasn't a filmmaker and was "purely a businessman". This is factually wrong as Akkad directed movies before he ever was a producer. Anyone who's a fan of Halloween might know this, it's been mentioned in countless behind the scenes books, documentaries, DVD and Blu-ray commentaries and special features. Regardless of whether anyone agrees with the opinions in this video, they're opinions that are (at least partially) based on incorrect information.
Akkad was a rights holder and a producer on Halloween 4 so he definitely had a big role in the decisions made for the film. Saying he's not a filmmaker may not seems like a big mistake, but since his status as a filmmaker and a money man and his artistic integrity are all given so much importance it's easy to doubt everything in this video.
You're right. What I meant to say, was that Moustapha Akkad's interests in the Halloween franchise weren't motivated by a desire to make 'artistic' films, but that he was motivated, I believe 100%, by the drive to turn Michael Myers into a saleable product. He always approached the Halloween sequels he made as a businessman, not with the mindset of a filmmaker, ie, someone interested in storytelling or exploring ideas.
@@MorbidMoonlight Yeah, but ignoring that means that many people might get the impression that he is not a guy who has any understanding of film, and just told filmmakers "put it in there because it sells" without even acknowledging that he might have a better understanding in how things might jive together.
Jason lover
I would also love to see Danielle Harris and Elle Cornell somehow be written into the new reboots
In my opinion the movies after the second one taint the overall franchise.
You could argue even Halloween 2 tainted it. Laurie was never meant to be Michael's "sister".
@@94champs Not to mention that it ruins one of the best endings in horror cinema.
I enjoyed these. Why did you stop at H4?
Yeah same with terminator. Original idea was he was regular guy that blends into crowd but then changed it to a huge Australian guy lol that won't blend into crowd kol
You mean AUSTRIAN guy.
Yeah! Another Halloween movies! Yayyyyy!!!!! Another one. Another. Carpenter has the best music lol
My favorite Halloween movies from best to worse are....
Halloween
Halloween 4
Halloween 2
Halloween 3
Halloween 6 (Producers Cut)
Halloween 5
H20
Resurrection
Also I'm pretty sure Michael Myers height is about 5'10 inches or 1.78 meters tall so
I think it’s a good movie and I like the fact they changed how he kills as well
As the supernatural some of it anyway I mean common look at H1,2 H2 there was a question about that let’s answer or give oppions look at H1,H2 first movie how many times has Michael been shot and stabbed in pt same in H2 they use alil more blood but the combo of them both gave a hint there was some supernatural elements really survives a fire in hospital u have to admit whatever they do to Michael he seems to rest in a coma, for a while until it’s time for him to come back then he comes back
It, almost, BROKE NEW GROUND!
Or maybe the reason why Michael Myers can't die or get injured that easily is because he might be invulnerable probably
I agree that making Michael thinner and average height made him scarier. Like there was something paranormal about him. If they ever reboot the series I want them to go back to that form. Someone who is average build, but obviously very far from average.
I think Michael needs to be bigger to be more intimidating
I don't think you need to be huge to be intimidating, that's way too clichéd. A guy with a knife coming at you out of the dark is scary, no matter matter size they are
@@MorbidMoonlight I was thinking in terms of being approached in real life
In real life, lots of normal sized people can be scary. A hulking villain seems to much like a movie trope to me, like villains having scars or deformities.
@@PinocchioDread When Michael is big, you can attribute his strength to his size. It makes him seem just like another big hulking mad man. It saps him of his mystique. But when he’s smaller and thinner, not only does he blend in to the world around him better, it also begs the questions; how is he so strong? How does he overpower a full grown German shepherd with ease? How does he lift a man with one arm? How does he take 7 shots to the body and get up walk away? IMO it makes Michael as a character more interesting.
The Thorn Trilogy started strong, but, it freaking crashed, burned, and then sh*t the bed. Then it got worse. Rob Zombie gotta hold of it.🤦🏻♂️
It was NOT a reboot, it was a sequel from part 2
Never put kids this much into horror films...ever.
Usually, I'd agree, but Danielle Harris isn't just a great child actor, but a great actor full stop.
Why specifically horror films?
Lost amidst all the reboots and remakes is the fact that Michael opened his eyes in the morgue at the end of the sh*t show called "Resurrection" yet there has never been a sequel to resurrection so we're left wondering how the original storyline could end.
I remember looking at the cover and seeing the copy and pasted 1978 mask, watched it, then disappointed. I actually laughed when I seen the cheap mask and I was a kid then. Still enjoyed the movie though, but it wasn't that scary. Felt more like Terminator but with Michael.
You realize the trailers and tv ads showed you what Michael looked like right? It’s not like they tricked you into thinking it would be the 78 mask
I actually find these supposedly hated sequels better that the 2 “Carpenter endorsed” ones that have been released since 2018
Very well done....i have an idea for a combined show, mimics the duality of 2 guys speaking back and forth about all types of movies. Let me know if you wish to discuss.
J
In Halloween 1978 and to some extent Halloween 2 Michael Myers is an ordinary guy with a mask who operates as a shadowy figure that can subtly rewrite the laws of reality he's this unkillable force of pure evil in a human shape he's scary because he's got that he could be anyone under the mask vibe but in the other sequels remakes and reboots he's Jason Voorhees he's a big lumbering brute who f%@cks people up because he's so unstoppable but the thing is that with Halloween it doesn't play that game it plays something allot more stript back realistic and creepy were the boogyman is a faceless every man morpht into something supernatural a force that looks amongst Haddonfield Illinois he is an unstoppable force of nature a shape a force an inhuman being a curious being and as soon as he arrives he is gone like the wind
This guy is not a true Michael Myers fan. True die hard Michael Myers fans like it when Michael Myers has superpowers.
Bro, we aren't talking about Jason here.
This Halloween Michael Myers faces red neck justice.
Halloween 4: The Return Of Michael Myers
(This Time It's Personal)
I turned to my friend in the cinema at the end of it and said :oh please. We waited all these years for this crap.
What were you expecting? Halloween 4 is a great movie.
I was expecting a decent script, a decent budget, a decent director, a decent cast..kinda like everything the first movie had
@@67psychout With all due respect to Halloween 1, which I love, the actors in Halloween 4 were better (aside from Jamie Lee of course). The script and director were both also very good. Really the only thing about H4 that could have been better was the mask, but I've gotten used to it over the years. I love the atmosphere of H4. To each their own I guess.
@@94champs oh yeah and the fact that Michael and Loomis were blown up and burned to death literally during the end credits. Halloween 4. Oh no they survived. . What a joke
@@67psychout LOL dude how else would they make the movie? Suspend disbelief for a couple of hours and just enjoy the film. You sound like Gene Siskel overanalyzing everything.
THE IM SOIRRY TO TELL YOU HATERS BUT THE MASK WAS NEVER GOIN TO BE THE SAME AFTER 1 AND 2
Yes but is it me or Halloween more the night he came home and the Halloween the return of Michael Myers he seemed most darkest as well as some lil bit of H666 but after that I think they should of stopped
The dark shape the shape of evil evil on two legs
If Halloween 4 had a proper mask and a less hulking Michael, it would be one of my favorites. It still feels like a classy (for the most parts), well made movie and Danielle Harris' acting is great. Just can't get over Michael's appearance. I always hated how the poster and VHS box showed the GOOD Michael mask and then we get the bootleg version in the film.
i never felt it was the same myers as first 2
Halloween 3 is the best sequel hands down
What’s to understand? Although not as bad as 5 to H20. It was the start of the “this sucks” era.
Also I feel like they should've gotten Nick castle to play Michael Myers in Halloween 2 instead of Dick warlock
He was busy, hence why he didn’t return. Warlock was great as a replacement!
That's what Michael Myers is it's darkness and evil in the shape of a man
This one wasn't bad I just wish they made Michael Myers more scarier his mask in the movie looks kind of lame
This movie is a good movie, but it doesn't really make any sense, because the little girl would not have ever known of him enough to have night mares about him, and he wouldn't know where to find her or what she looked like, it's really based script wise has far too many Holes in it,