What to do with a pushy horse
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2021
- Warwick gives you a great exercise to do that will help with a pushy horse without losing any part of your relationship or without the horse ignoring you.
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Another great video 😊 I'm so glad I found your channel, your way of training confirms everything I believe about horses and has finally put to bed all the ideas I was taught about horses being "naughty" or wanting to "win". I've been using you principles and having massive success; I've been working with an ex-racing thoroughbred since early this year. When I first met him he was breathing fire and had extreme separation anxiety. The first time I put him in a stable, directly next door to his field field mate and with a grill he could see her through, I thought he was going to stand on his hind legs he was so distraught. Now, I've finally started riding him and I kick him round on a loose rein. It's truly been an incredible transformation and I don't think I could have done it without the knowledge I gained through your videos. So thank you, I'm looking forward to transforming the lives of more horses (and owners) 🙏💙
The ears really are indicators of where their attention is aren’t they!
My pony has absolutely become the most precious, good natured and understanding little sidekick I could imagine thanks to your confirmation and guidance on interaction and behaviour. The people in the street who walk past him tell me how much they love him. He loves everyone, because he's allowed to.
Fantastic--this is going to help a lot with my mare, and makes sense why backing her up doesn't always solve her pushiness.
The ears are everything they follow your voice they show how they feel.
Warwick! I wanna thank you so much for your ways to support me mentally around my horses, it’s helped me such a great deal
Beautifully stated, and totally makes sense. I think it’s also much less “annoying” to the horse.
Thank you for such a complete program. Thank you for the human factor , thank you for keeping it affordable. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 😊 I LOVE my horse 🐎❤
Thanks for this! I've been conflicted lately between what pushy and disrespectful is vs engaging while up in my business. Some people insist on their personal bubble being respected at all times, with stern reprimands for any "transgressions"... while as long as there's no bumping, pushing, or nibbling, I'm like awww, we're having a moment! Thanks for the clarity.
My God that arena looks like a racetrack lol!! So much rooooom!
I love Warwick!
Great observance of intention. .. attention is everything! Definately need to refocus that horse… super video💕LOVE YOUR WHOLE TRAINING TECHS!!!! Brilliant…
Awesome thank you Warwick 🙌
I used to follow the steps of an Australian horse trainer John Chatterton, and one of his main beliefs was to instill in the horse that next to you was a safe place to be. He used to correct wandering or distracted behavior from a distance with "pull and release" of the lead rope, but never corrected behavior up close, because he wanted the horse to always feel that you were their safe space.
Another super video. Thank you Warwick
I never thought about it in this way.. Thanks so much for sharing this great video!!
Brilliant, thankyou.
Great advice thanks so much❤🧡💛💚
Thank you !
Oh, thanks very much for this detail!!
Thanks 😊
I think I was looking for this information for long time. Thank you Warwick! :-)
Great point about the ears - I totally agree, but that's a concept I think I've often not thought of in the midst of the moment. Thank you for another helpful tip, Warwick!
Always so to the meat or the root of understanding the horses mind. How they respond! Thank you!
I've been working with my horse by watching your videos, by the way thank you! I was working in the round pen with nothing on my horse. We matched steps, I backed away when needed, I looked where he was looking... I decided to walk to a panel in the round pen and wait. He walked next to me and I started rubbing him, touching his forelock, muzzle and rubbing his pol. At some point he put his head on my shoulder just standing next to me, with no space. He also gently raise my arm for me to continue rubbing when I stopped. I was previously taught not to let a horse in your space. If I understand you correctly, as long as the horse is aware of me, excepting my gestures and I'm confident with low energy it is ok for him to be that close, correct? Thank you
It's the little things that are big in the big picture, yes? Thank you
Please could you write in the description which stud the Berber Arab came from? He's absolutely stunning and I'd love to buy a horse like him!
He was at the Royal Society For The Encouragement Of Berber Horses in Rabat, Morocco. I’d contact them
Hi Laurie. Have you ever seen the Andalsian horses? I’ve heard that they’re probably the second oldest breed after the Arabian. They look very similar but more muscular! I’m guessing you were referring to the Gray horse in this video. Please check them out as they’re absolutely marvelous and I’ve owned and loved Arabs for over 50 years. I’ve been wanting to buy an Andalusian for 20 years and now want to breed them with my Percherons to get the Spanish Norman Sport Horse! Once you see what THEY can do and how GORGEOUS they are, you might want one too! Look like Arabians on steroids!😁😉🤣🤩👍❤️
Where do I get one of those telescoping flags that you use? Is it a homemade thing?
We sell them on our website
If I could humbly add in that it helps to ask for a draw after a drive to communicate the desire to connect and not leave on a drive. Does that make sense to you?
Most certainly, I do that all the time except with pushy horses. They usually have too much draw and I want to even that out, without loosing connection
@@WarwickSchiller but you said in your video it's for the ones that aren't paying attention. So you create energy to get a change of thought. Why not leave on a draw even then? Is it a better lesson to leave on a drive?
@@StableHorseTraining the better lesson is to leave on connection
@@WarwickSchiller I somewhat understand what you're communicating in regards to a good end result and I think we're likely talking about the same thing and of course is heavily situation dependent. Thanks for the time taken to respond 😊
Warwick, if a horse is right next to me but not engaged the risk is being run over (or kicked) if they are startled?
I think "engaged" and "aware" are two different things, think they can be aware of you without being engaged with you. As long as they haven't forgotten where you are, and they have some collision avoidance taught to them, you should be ok.
I too am having good results with your teaching and see the difference in using connection (your training emphasizing the connection first) vs dominance. I have had my shut down mare Palomino transition lately from licking my hand occasionally to licking my hand, licking my arm, and then licking my shirt. This started and has transitioned after we had some instances of me taking the pressure off (step back when she turns her head away as if she is uncomfortable). Idk what to do though when she keeps licking my shirt and I really don't want her too. When I move, she comes with me. It seems pushy. Her ears are not pinned and her eyes are wide and most of the time her head is stretched out to me when this happens. Before with just the hand licking, she chose when to quit and would quit after a few minutes. This with the hand, then arm, then shirt lasts awhile. Any advice?
I sure will be interested to hear this response from Warwick. I think your horse is trying to keep continued connection with you perhaps even more. I myself would not appreciate the behavior in an ongoing beginning to be a habit.
There are some borders horses that will do this behavior of licking even if I stand near them for very long, I have worked with both horses, but not for this Behavior
If your horse is engaging with you in a way that you don't particularly like, or have had enough of, you can do what other horses would do and simply walk away. If you STEP away and she follows, you could just hold up your hand like a traffic cop and block her from coming close enough to lick. So essentially saying "It's ok for you to stand with me, but not so close." It may take a few times for her to understand. And time spent just 'standing around' with your horse, when you are both calm and still is very beneficial for strengthening the relationship, and you will often see horses doing this with each other. (Shoulder to shoulder, your feet/legs parallel to theirs, is a very neutral and friendly position.) Another option for horses that may be a bit more pushy, is to signify your unwillingness to keep engaging with their current behaviour by WALKING away but do it by going parallel to the horses body and walking off from their HIND end. Again you may have to do it a few times before they get the idea. So you are not punishing the behaviour, or chasing the horse away, but just saying 'no thanks, not interested'. Hope this helps. Elsa Sinclair and Sharon Wilsie are also good resources for using our own body language to communicate with the horse.
Is she getting enough salt? I've found mine lick when they are craving salt and minerals
@@anbar3729 She has a large salt block always at her disposal.
I would love to hear your take on sensitive but dominant horses. I often see their reactions on tasks they find challenging being aggression ?! Or dominans, depends on the terms i guess. And correction is recieved with fear and/or offence?! But I would love to know how to get around that?! Or how to correct them the best way? I think many of these horses are classified as "problem horses", when really it's just misunderstanding and lack of understanding from the humans perspective. Hope you'll dive into that subject in one of your videos. :)
When you stop labeling it “aggression” and start seeing it as communication about how they feel about what they are being asked to do, then there’s no need for correction.
As in “I met this girl the other day and tried to kiss her, and she shoved me away. How do I correct her shoving me, it seemed aggressive or dominant “.
Hmmm, that’ll make you stop and think
" I often see their reactions on tasks they find challenging being aggression" Perhaps consider making the task less challenging by breaking it down into smaller and smaller bits, that they can accomplish easily and feel good about mastering. Then put them together to do the 'big thing'. Warwick talks about this sort of thing in this video. czcams.com/video/CT-nzJWwAr8/video.html
@@terryst9835 yes I agree! That's why I have a lot of focus on small steps and communication, so we don't have misunderstandings. Works perfectly with my young mare and my pony. The problem is when horses have that specific personality mentioned and have been trained badly before. Even though I establish a language, sometimes we talk about issues just being okay going forward or moving away. This one horse I'm training knows the sign for forward cause some days it works fine, others she pinches her ears or even bites out towards me, tries to run me over. Often I just ask again and stand firm, but I can see she has no fun interacting. And she has been checked by vets, kiropraktor and so on. It's her state of mind, nothing in her body. I can't get through to her. And if I do what she likes, it's doing nothing. So if task as easy as that are to difficult, what to do ? Stop training her all together?! She is hyper sensitive and also quite dominant.. even moving aside when being brushed sometimes is a problem.
The other mare I'm training has a similar personality. She just has a different pattern when reacting and we are slowly getting through to her. But I think these kind of horses are far more often seen as problems than horses nipping, pushing or something like that.
What do you do if your horse does not respond to you increasing your energy or waving a flag. I have a kill pen rescue who is so desensitized to energy that she does not usually respond to it. She will engage and move off when asked but nothing really draws her attention enough to get her to move out of my space. When I got her from the kill pen she was completely untouched but she has warmed up to me nicely, other people not so much. Just wanting to know if their is something I can do to get her to respond to me without having to appear aggressive towards her to get her to respect my space.
Untouched horses are usually wary of people, and don't really want to come near them, so before you come up with a new course of action, we need to consider your past behaviours that have got an untouched horse to where you need to get her out of your space.
@@WarwickSchiller Hmmm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you elaborate a little bit. Thanks for the reply!
@@mariastout135 you said “she is so desensitized to energy” and then you said you got her unhandled. If she was desensitized to energy when you got her she wasn’t unhandled. If she was unhandled, she would not have been desensitized to energy . So if she was truly unhandled then your handling has something to do with her being desensitized to energy, and you have to first look at what you did to cause that .
I’m not accusing you of anything , but it’s either one or the other, not both
@@WarwickSchiller Oh okay, I must not have explained it properly. She went through three auctions and I think that was when she was desensitized to the flag and stick so much that she ignores it. She is still wary of humans but because they chased her so much she tends to shut down and not respond to higher energy levels. I have desensitized her to me jumping around her and such so she does not respond to that either. She understands how to move away from pressure during a sending exercise on the lunge but when standing in front of her she does not react to waving the flag about - not shut down either, just watches. I should also mention that she had learned to dive at the kill pen people with the flags to go the way she wants to. She was pulled untouched from the field, but she has already been exposed to the chaos of the kill pen. She has only been with me for about a month but she has progressed extremely fast. Should I use a different tool, other than a stick and string/flag, in the hopes to get her responding to something more appropriately/mentally?
If their ears aren't on you, whether on the ground or astride (flicking back to check in) - then they're "just not that into you" 😁 But really, it's true.
My Mustang wanted to take a candy I had right out my mouth and I'm sure she could have pulled it off so very gently if I didn't realize how so sneaky she was being, and I swear she was tickled with herself for being so close pretending to just be close as close just to be snuggly.
I have a horse that has NO boundaries and basically runs me over - he is like a huge dog so kind but just no awareness of me!! he is greedy so thinks everything is about food which i make sure it isn't, but i don't feel safe in the field because of his lack of his understanding that I'm not able to withstand what the horses can take - and he will run through me - its not malice he just hasn't got the awareness of my person - he is a gentle idiot and if there is any trouble he is always in the centre of it upsetting everyone by just barging through (walking not aggressive lol) but all i say is ...ERNIE!!! he lives with his dad (gelded) and 3 half brothers and sister in a herd system he is gelded, backed and just adorable but i wish i could get him to understand that i am not indestructible any tips? Oh yes he isn't frightened of anything and i can hit him with a tree and he wont back away ( I haven't of course) but even if i flick a whip he stands still just moving his head away so I cant reach him !! He is adorded but i wish i could just get him to back off - he loves to follow the flag by the way he thinks they are there for him to play and chew ha ha - Oh and yes he isnt scared of fire and will walk over a burning fire!!! thick as mud this horse but such a character - any tips to help me???
Work with him over a fence.
@@WarwickSchiller I try but all he does is move his head away his feet and body don't move 🙄... He is just so unflappable and looks at me as if to say what on earth are you doing, he is extremely kind and willingness to do anything is never ending but its this personal space issue I find frustrating... I find he is better if I work him, join up and he stands quieter but I think his is a confidence issue and don't know how to address it 😕
If he only moves his head away it’s because your energy is only aimed at his head. Project your energy at his should
@@WarwickSchiller thank you its working 😁😁😁😁
I would think that all that flag waving in front of a horse’s face would make them head shy and easily spooked. No?
A\Watch the video and ask yourself, did he spook? Did he act head shy?
The horse will always tell you.
@@WarwickSchiller Understood, but what about the future, like riding by a clothes line with flapping clothes, or any other sudden motions around his head? If you wave the flag in front of his face often enough, wouldn’t that create a learned behavior response? I understand you are not waving the flag at him, but he did throw his head a lot. I can see how it establishes connection. I’ve just never seen anyone use a flag like that.
@@suehamblin9652 I think the head throwing has more to do with hos past handling. I use the flag on all horses and never had one throw their head