Horses That Push Into You On The Ground
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2020
- When solving behavioural issues with horses, you have a number of options available to you. One is to correct the behaviour, but another is to allow the horse to do it, and make the outcome that the horse is trying to achieve become difficult. This is one of the ways of using "making the wrong thing hard and the right thing easy". The word "hard" doesn't mean your put pressure on them like many people think, it means it makes the wrong thing difficult for them to achieve.
In this video I show a large Fresian who's intended outcome is to push into me. By electing not to engage in that behaviour, there ends up being no winner or loser, just two parties who come to an agreement.
The most important part of this video, however, is not about the technique. It's about your inner energy and body language while doing it. As you will see in the video, you have to calmly elect not to engage with them, but you cannot be defensive, and try to prevent them from pushing into you, nor can you be fearful, and shrink away from them. Doing either of those would not make this exercise work.
This is an exercise of non-judgementalism, you cannot judge what the horse is doing or it will affect your energy and affect the outcome. You can't be scared or frustrated, but instead, just be present and respond to what it is happening. It's definitely of the harder skills for many people to learn, as it goes against our nature, but it is a key element to working well with horses.Warwick shows you a simple, yet effective exercise you can do with a horse that tends to push into you on the ground .
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I keep seeing that dog hop up in the background LOL
Obsessive herding dog looking for something to chase. 😄
@Lance THORNE yes! love his little face
🐕🐕😀😊☺😁😂😊😄😃😇😇
Little cutie of a pup
"Can I herd that horse for you, boss?"
(I love that dog's interest in the training.) 😊 I do the "not interested" thing with one of our cats. I accidentally taught her that if she claws at my chair, she gets treats. (In reality, the cats get treats at bedtime, as a way to lure them out of our bedroom.) So, when I started getting ready for bed, she would claw the chair thinking that's what got her treats.
Now, as I'm getting ready for bed if she claws the chair, I just stop getting ready. I just stand there. I'm not mad, I'm not worried about the chair (it's way too late for that), I'm just refusing to engage with that behavior. I wait a couple of minutes after she stops, then I start the bed routine again. She quickly learned that clawing the chair meant treats got delayed and quit clawing the chair for treats. 😉 But, as you said, energy is everything! If she thinks I've forgotten what's happening, she'd claw the chair again. It has to be totally disinterested energy or it won't work at all.
Cats are so so smart, they observe ALL the behaviors. Good for you! ❤🐱❤
I love that you shared this. I’ve never been good with cats. I seem to speak horse and dog just fine, but I struggle with cat. This helps me. Thanks!
@@TheStarhorse1 What's funny is that I can get in the head of dogs and cats, but not horses. (Plus, I'm uber allergic to horses.) I come to this channel for the energy work he does.
I've come to realize that cats are a lot like horses. (If horses had claws and were obligate carnivores.) They're too often prey and that can make them anxious or skittish and lead to behaviors that we're not fond of :)
@@TheOldandslow I agree! They are super smart and make connections that we don't, ALL THE TIME! :)
Suzi, thank you for sharing this! It's amazing how many things we humans -do- inadvertently teach our animals, yet so many of us fail to realize *we* were the cause of the "bad behavior" we may now be seeing. I hope your comment on this video is thought-provoking for many and opens their eyes so as to not blame the animals!!!
I love the surprised, intrigued face the fresian pulled when you started walking to its rear end. Hes like thats so funny, why would you do that hahaah
The dog keeps trying to be a scene stealer...
Its so damn cute.
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I got a kick out of it.
IKR ... I could hardly pay attention to Warwick waiting for the next photo bomb 🤣
Your sighthound border collie *_needs_* so bad to see where the action is. Maybe he could get a little platform or something to sit on and watch? He is so entertaining as he tries to find a way to see. They are so incredibly smart. Ours is so much like yours, there are circles around all the pens here where ours contains everyone and everything. ha ha He's always on the job.
Love the dog in the background :-) great info as always.
I really love your training methods they have helped me countless times with my horse. Thank you ❤
Your dog popping his head up. The best. Thanks for the advice. Another tool in the tool box! Love that you mention Elsa Sinclair as well.
Amazing video!!
love the doggy jumping in the back😂
Describes my Friesian gelding to a t! Can't wait to go try this!
I have a 13 year old Ster Friesian, and what you showed could have been him. THANK YOU, for this video, I think you solved one of my problems with my Friesian. I dont know how often you get a Friesian in your training programmes, but it would be such a blessing if you could have some videos in how to train that breed (assuming you are familiar with training them). The Friesian horse is very different from all other breeds and there is next to none education on how to train them properly. They do not respond as well as other horses to the usual methods. By the way, your dog appeared to really want to be a part of your video - so cute!
😂😂 LOVE the border collie photobombing in the background!!
Your dog is hilarious
That’s an excellent idea! The important thing here is that the handler keeps a loose line and isn’t leading the leaning horse around.
this method works on dangerous horses that wana stmp you to the gound to. i did it when i was about 22 whit a 3 year old frederiksborg stallion som fool bought to he´s 12 year old daughter, no body turnd it out to the pastior, becaurse it bitetet, kick, jumping on, in to you, over you, and tryeid to cover the handlers. the only handlet it when the girl shut ride it, and then a older more experienced girl had to race it tyired in the arena first, and it always had chambon ond out side the stabel... so one day i ask why it never was on a pasture, and well nobody wout/dare´t to walk it out there. so i sayid i wout do it.
well he did give a disent fight, but when you standing exactly on the spot behind the shoulder they cant get to you, do he tryide and the "fight" took about 15 min before he desidet to stop, he entet up stopping at last.
people keep´s yelling that i shut let him go,...even do there was smale toudlers runding around the parking lot.......real great idea, set him lose an run sall kids down.....people are morrons. it was there fault he was the way he was at the first place, they shut never have bought a stallion, when they didn´t know how to handle it.
well but any way. from that day, i showt some of they others what to do if he flipt out, and it help´t. from that day he got out to pastures, whitout dangering any one. he was a wery sweet horse, he was just misunderstod and handlet the wrong way.
one of the older girls endtet up buying him in the end. so it al entet well.
but thats a nother seanario where this thecnik works to.
sorry for the bad english, im a mongol to wright it, better at talking ;D hope you can understand my messy word´s.
omg i dont understand what the F i just tryide to wright ;D LMAO.
Oo that's really interesting! Thanks for the tip, I'm going to try that if I ever need to
And don't worry we can understand you!
I have learned so much from your thoughtful advice. I saw the friesian at the clinic and tried some of those things with an older pushy horse here with some success. I think I'm more of the problem at this point because I expect it from him so much that it is work for me to retrain my brain to clear out those expectations and maintain the positive idea of him interacting nicely. It's like I'm telling him to be that way. So, I'm a work in progress. Always something new to work on. :)
Perfect timing Warwick. Having this exact issue with a yearling colt when leading. Thx!❣️🍀
The way Warwick Shiller explaines how horses live in the present, the positive frame of mind of the "Yes Question" and this explanation about pushing with shoulders were boom opening in the relationship with my horse. I am learning a lot thanks to Principles of Training.
#journeyon20
Hahhaaa ! Love the dog incessantly seeking your attention through this whole film!! Thank you for your insights!
This was so helpful ! It makes total sense and it works! The dog photo bombing the video is the best!
Love the new tool to add to my toolbox. Thank you Warwick!
Always great info...and I LOVE THE DOG PHOTOBOMBING IN THE BACKGROUND!
Wow.. .great solution for this light problem of behaviour
Thank you for this tip. The dog was making me chuckle.
I have had a few Friesians that all do that with their shoulder. You are right that they do not move back from flags and jiggling lead ropes! They trust humans so much that there is no fear. I love your videos and I try to use your methods all the time..usually with success. Thank you.
Warwick Schiller! The "doctor" is in! Great vid as always!
It is hard to choose a favourite video, because each one has very useful info and everytime I watch one I get a bit if info that helps me in a specific situation.. today the little piece about yes and no answers made sense and I can solve a problem now with my horse that had me had a fall last week because I did not understand the no answer I got then. Thanks for sharing you journey. #journeyon
Omg I’m going to try this, my pony is a bulldozer on me and I’m at a loss. Can’t wait to try this! Thank you 🙏🏻
I love your dog! He desperately wants to be involved with you. What a funny boy. ❤🐶
Love how the pup pup in the background wants to join you!!
I think the horse just wants a hug! Friesians are very affectionate towards humans.
Thank you for the advices 👍🏼 I will definitely try this!
Just had to laugh seeing that dog wanting to get in and be a part of the video. What a great breed they are!
Thank you for this one Warwick--I have a horse who couldn't care less about flags, bags, whips, any kind of deterrent you'd usually use to push them back. Will be trying this out! Best wishes from Canada.
Another extremely useful video! Thank you so much.
I'm dealing with this right now with a mayor I'm helping train and this is very helpful thank you
Gosh I love all these videos...I sure miss horses!!
Thanks for this video. Your little dog is ADORABLE!!
Thanks Warwick that was very informative
Love your videos 😊👍🐴🐎
I just love the dog in the background…
Thanks for showing this.At 610 mark that dog is adorable.I own shelties and they are curious and smart.
Great advice and skills yo know. Love the dog too
Love the dog! Lol. Great info AS ALWAYS!
Good video I've enjoyed watching very much! The dog in the background is hilarious too LOL.
Youre the best warwick! my favourite trainer in the world
Very helpful! I have experienced this before.
Why would you put a dislike to this video if you don't like his videos then don't watch him personally I think he's got a lot to teach everyone and horses
Love the content, but the dog in the back really made me smile.
Great video! Thanks!
That dog hopping is to look over the fence tickled me so much.
This technique is similar to one used when training puppies or dogs not to jump on you. As they are jumping up you turn your back to them, not engaging in the behaviour. It’s devastating to them and they quickly learn not to jump.
Came to find out the context of pushing "into the ground" - stayed for the goodest good boy.
It’s definitely a friesian thing. They take a long time to mature.
Sphynx Mumma totally I ride one and he always gets slobber on me🤪
Maddie hollister they are giant dogs 😂
I am not sure if this is a matter of maturing late, I have a thirteen year old Fries and boy is he a spooky hand full. I have spoken to a few breeders and they all told me that this breed has to be trained differently. I just do not seem to be able to find anyone profoundly knowledgeable about the tricks of the trade for these guys. They are super affectionate and smart as a whip though - can't complain about that.
Ingrid Blohm-Hyde I threw every training method out the window with my 2 friesians. I trusted my gut and took my time. No lunging and repetitious ground work. No whips, no sending away. Just worked on the bond and relationship. I found they don’t trust easy but when they do it’s very deep. They like their routine also I’ve found. Mine respond extremely well to kindness and encouragement. People say all breeds are the same but friesians taught me that isn’t necessarily true.
Border Collie. 😊
Omg! I love your dog!!!!!!
Thank you
Exactly what I needed
Oh yes, it helps, thank you 😊
The puppy, outside the round Pen is so cute.
Wow that is a huge horse!🤠💕
I love the dog popping their head over the fence :0
Love, love, love!!
Thank you.
Oh that's fun! We do something similar when walking dogs when they pull on the leash. As soon as they pull on the leash we turn around and walk back, then do that over and over till the dog learns that pulling doesn't get where he wants to go. I'll have to try that with horses!
Your dog is hilarious!🤣
It’s funny because I think it’s a friesian thing like Great Danes do the lean,, my mare is a Friesian also and use to do this to me like a comfort thing . I did use the back up out of my space but I do have to remind her sometimes. I will try this method along with your principles. Thanks mate 🙏 🇦🇺👍
Very good
this is very intresting i had no idea that this behaviour is what my pony has been doing since being brought back into work.
Every time I have a question, I open youtube and boom, @WarwickSchiller has my answer.
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Thank you for hearing me in the quantum world.
The dog tho! Lol
Amazing ❤️❤️❤️
Get that dog his own utube. Brilliant. As are you Warwick. Thank you.👍
The owner forgot to tell you that’s how he gets treats. He’s looking for a treat. Or rub. He doesn’t know he’s pushing his shoulder into you. Now he’s wondering why circling didn’t produce a treat either.
That's what I thought. My horse does the same because I treat him when he is next to me standing still so when I move he always turns his shoulder to me to stay in position if I would do this we would dance 😆 but ofc there are always diffrent reasons why a horse does this.
#journeyin20
This one is so helpful to start your understanding and connection
1:09 the dog 😂
The dog is the star of this video 😍
That dog is so cute!
Can’t wait to try this with my donkey!!
you're a boss!!
TY. This helps. But my horse does this mostly in narrow pathway. There is still room for both of us to walk tho. She dores not do that in open.
Hi, i've just started watching your videos and they are helping me so much! i recently moved to an agistment and it doesn't have an arena so i have to walk to the public arena which is a good 10 min walk and my gelding goes into flight mode when he's by himself but with other horses he's perfect :/ .. he gets spooky, flighty and starts calling out. i've never seen him get so worked up! i think he's always had some underlying anxiety since i bought him as he was quite shut down and nervous under saddle but i've never seen him actually freak out. i'm just stuck on what to i've never dealt with something like this before..
These videos from Warwick might help you a bit. czcams.com/video/Sj4yLtB0LQg/video.html and czcams.com/video/poDyQCPzy38/video.html
Make the wrong thing difficult (but not impossible) and the right thing obvious with a release.
Nice 👍👍👍🐎🐎🐎
Good horse info but more importantly looks like the next border collie Rin Tin Tin is looking to be '"discovered" for their "big break" in pictures. Who deserves to be the star of this video anyway!!
I'd say they deserve a little air time :)
Yeah. Love the cattle dog ready to help get that horse to move his feet.
That doggo ❤😂
GOOD! VERY GOOD!
Dog hopping up is too funny!
#journeyon20 this helped me understand how to help my very pushy horse give me space during feeding.
gonna try it tomorrow! My horse tried to run me down last saturday, biting and chasing me while I was leading him (leading in itself is a thing already) so am digging into your material to see if I can find some solutions, thanks for all your videos, very helpful, merry x mas!
I would not try this exercise with your horse, its not for a horse biting and chasing you. I would be working with that horse through a fence.
My pony spun to bite and run me over. How would you do this through the fence? Thank you, love watching you😊
The collie 😆 he knows he is not allowed join in but desperately wants to
How funny...my Friesian does exactly the same thing!
I knew a pushy Freisian too! He was spoiled rotten so knew no boundaries.
Thanks sweetie your dog just cracked me up ,what a wag 😝
I just got a 1 and a half year old Mustang filly. She is super sweet, intelligent (picked up training very quickly), and is over all like a big golden retriever. However when I start scratching and rubbing on her neck and withers she tries leaning on me trying to get as close as possible. You can tell that she is not doing it to literally push you around she just can't seem to get close enough. She doesn't spook as easily as when I got her so the lead rope method didn't work. I am going to try this to see if it works with her.
The DOG!!!! HA! HA! HA! HA!
Warwick I'm confused a bit. First of all, THANK you for your videos!
With the mouthing you stimulate the behaviour to have it stop in time. With this behaviour, you go around the behaviour to make it stop - why is there a difference? 🤠🙏
You decline this request - with the mouthing you accept it - guess that sums it up 😄
As a bonus, you are improving their flexibility.
Have been having really bad trailer loading issues with her biggest evasion being to swing her butt to the side to avoid the ramp. But her other behavior is this shoulder into you thing that I have perceived as anxiety -- not anthropomorphizing because animals DO have reasons to be anxious -- but one other "expert" thinks is the mare being pushy and she will put a chain over her nose and send her backwards over and over and over and over. To me, the non-expert, this seems to be making everything worse, and now for the 2nd time in a row, she would not load. Your horses are always so calm, Warwick, and my mare usually is, but once this power struggle starts.. and I'm surrounded by experts.. I'm at a total loss. I will try this and share this.
Lol the dog 😂
today i had an experience with a horse i am taking care of for a short time because the owner went on vacation.
i was interacting with the horse in the big rectangular sandbox, it approached me, it was interacting with me, all seemed fine, and then suddenly she disengages, tries to walk through me. i did not expect it so my first response was; get it off me. so i did the light jumping to create some energy. she responded to that by backing off. and then later on she came back to me again but this time instead of running into me, she turned her hind towards me after she interacted with me a little. she was nibbling at my knee and foot so i think she was trying to get me to move. well, i did not move while she was nibbling at my knee and foot so i guess she resorted to putting her hind in my face and see what i would do. first time she did that i was surprised and put out a light but firm "hey!" and lightly hit her on the hind. but that did not do much. then a bit later she did the exact same thing but this time i moved towards her face and then i turned my body very tightly in front of her face. her response was like: "huh? did not see that coming". i kept walking away from her after that and she followed me a little bit but then turned away again and i kept walking.
next time i will try the methods as shown in this video and see what happens :)