The REAL REASON for Esteban Ocon penalty Monaco GP 2022
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For an event with so many cameras, why am i watching this one day after the race (and i watched the race live)
agree 100% men
didnt even know KMag had retired until the crash. totally shocking
Its because this Race is not from the FOM
This gp is broadcasted by Monaco local tv station unlike other gps
It’s absolutely pathetic coverage from the race director and F1 as a whole. I (pay) watch all the races live and it’s a joke I have to search through comment sections on CZcams just to find coverage of bits in the race along with driver interviews.
Lewis’s front wing seems to be unbreakable or something. So many big impacts in recent memory, with such minor damage
Lewis has special front wings to bump everyone of the track if he wants to, he knows that he won´t get any damage.
@@walsmachinist1 Lewis has a special toilet that if he has a stomach bug, the toilet settles it for him. 😒
@@walsmachinist1 they made Lewis this special wing last year so that it had a chance of surviving max’s bumper car style of driving.
It won’t be long before max is punting Charles and checo off the track seeing how angry he’s getting already.
@@oxfordsparky they made that wing for Lewis to bump evryone off the track as he knows he won't be getting no penalty as past years
@@jeanmartinez3554 they made Lewis this special wing cuz they know max is gonna do whatever he wants and not get a penalty
This is why Monaco, IF it stays on the calendar, HAS to get rid of their own TV coverage
Their Marshalls might be some of the best, but stewards and coverage are atrocious
I can’t watch another race seeing Lewis fighting midfield for laps on end. There’s 19 other drivers and front runners
@@danallen3748 it's not the fact it's Lewis. It's an incident between two top 10 cars,and one got a penalty. That's the point, it's surely a moment worthy of replaying at least
then win the CC. thats what its for, more sponsor coverage, how you people not know tis.
Lewis was so lucky to not get serious damage
and ocon was lucky for not to have a puncture
Yes, he said that too
@@fastf1race589 correct
He is always lucky
@@panagiotisgiannikos7124 Lewis has had shit luck this entire season so far, what are you on about?
thank you! had been trying to find this. I'm confused though as it seems the penalized him for lap 17 and didn't even investigate lap 18 lol
I have the same problem :D
Now I " accept " the penalty
;) ;)
@@fastf1reaction189 ????
The penalty was for the first contact near the turn 1 apex on lap 18. The lap 19 touch shown here was not investigated.
@@RockhoundBlack wow that's weird.
Ocon is crazy, did the same to Alonso, but he avoided, and Perez in spa (both in pink cars)
Perez did it to him
Thanks for posting this mate. Like others said I had absolutely 0 idea this incident happened from the actual race camera work, don't think they showed it at all. But yeah, like what Lewis said I'm amazed his car held together, Ocon straight up put him in the wall and that Merc somehow came out of it without serious damage.
;) ;)
There's no reason Lewis should be sending it up the inside there, he wasn't far enough alongside to earn space, it's a bogus penalty
@@FamilyJules3000 naaa it's monaco there's no big room
@@FamilyJules3000 It happened on a straight not a corner. How is he suppose to overtake, if he isn't allowed to go alongside.
@@alekszimic1636 it's a bend at the end of the straight leading to a corner, and the racing line naturally cuts to the inside. Notice how he's already braking and downshifting to make the corner
for people saying "read the rule before commenting" here the rule:
“In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.
When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner."
The stewards acknowledge before this season it would be considered as a race incident. And before baku all drivers will have a discussion about the new rule because no body was aware that it was stricter.
This is defo a pen, Ocon moved across under braking and put Lewis into the barrier
How on earth didn't Ocon get a puncture? That makes no sense at all
Luck
that nigga lucky
The penalty was for the lap 18 (it wasn't lap 17) contact near the apex of T1. The lap 19 contact shown here was not investigated. The stewards report confirms this based on both time and description of the incident.
Apparently even the televised direction didn't know as they replayed the first one . But watching it live, they clipped in Lewis saying "he put me into the barrier" and we saw Lewis stick his nose on the inside for the right hand curbs - Which he was not even alongside. He had front left to right rear at best.
@Leonardo Wili Actually Hamilton was along side Ocon, Hamilton was trying to back out, when he saw Ocon cutting across. The angle from this camera is deceptive, because when viewing it from closer angles it is clear as day, that he was along side. This is why Ocon got that penalty.
You should watch this video, it will help to explain why your statement "Which he was not even alongside. He had front left to right rear at best.", is not accurate.
czcams.com/video/qcJy0arvneQ/video.html
@@tonespeaks Yes, you're right - I've seen more video and Ham did have it up to the side pod by a fair amount.
According to the report the reason they Penalized Ocon was because Lewis had his front tire next to him before the apex of the corner. Obviously that wasn't the case on the 2nd one. So Honestly if this was truly why they gave him a penalty, it makes things even worse.
Not the first time we’ve seen a move like this from Ocon. Should have been penalized for his move on Alonso in Jeddah. But they’re teammates, so the FIA let it slide
@@myka4337 It's not the first time we've seen a move like this from a lot of drivers. It's not illegal though nor should it be a penalty.
@@Kartkid024 you mean ramming others into the wall should be legal?
@@chris-rg7xf When the driver tries to jam their nose underneath them at the last second then yes it's legal when they get hit into the wall. But all this is useless. The point is this was clearly not the situation he got penalized for. If it was then the report is incorrect when it says Lewis got his front wheel past Ocon's rear tire.
@@chris-rg7xf He's have to be along side him to be rammed into the wall, Ocon just shut the door on him & Lulu ran into him!
Pole lap and Red Flag Lap here --> czcams.com/video/PyT_Mamkbl4/video.html
They didnt show this.
true :o
monaco's broadcast usually isnt that great
@@fastf1race589 After you post this, I subscribe👍
@@brucealidanger6256 thank you ;)
THIS WHY YOU LEAVE SPACE - ALWAYS LEAVE A SPACE !
This is why racers don't leave space, so people don't put their noses into silly places
@@JakobusVdL PiouStarcraft was quoting Max at Monza last year.
@@ednacius1 Got him good. Always double standard from Max fan.
@@JakobusVdL Ocon moved under braking to defend 100% deserved penalty
@@odtkl3921 are you sure? It looked like the contact happened way before the braking zone.
I wouldn't even try that on F1 2021. What the fuck ?
The fact we didn't even get a replay of this and Race commentary didnt even know shows how bad ACM is in their management of media coverage. Need to get them to give coverage to F1 or drop the race.
That makes ALOT more sense
Thanks! I was already angry at the penalty. But now I get it.
Moving under braking for Ocon. Fair enough
why we didnt see this on the race?
Tv management is so shitty man...
I make the same question :o
monaco's broadcast usually isnt that great, remember stroll last year ?
because normally race direction is done by a professional team. But in Monaco it's a group of locals doing it. And with 40.000 residents you have a lot less talent to choose from ;-)
Oh wow thanks for explaining, that makes sense
Okay. This one makes sense. The first one was a racing incident for me at least but this one is clear. Wtf is up with the camera directors?
If you want see one overtake that Latifi did in Monaco :D czcams.com/video/ZOHOGwyjnLc/video.html
So can you tell us what the penalty was actually for?
The penalty reason is for this situation (lap 18).
I don´t say that I agree with that ;)
he moved (a little bit, but still moved) to close the door under breaking and caused a collision
Failed to leave one cars width Although Lewis was already now beside. “Beside” per the FIA means any significant part of the competitors car is next to yours including wings and bodywork. Also Lewis backed out and Ocon still attempt it to come over and pinch Lewis into the wall making contact with his car in the process. That’s why the 5 sec penalty.
Why didn't hamilton get a penalty for the beginning of the clip?
Watching this in November 2022 after VER got a penalty in Brazil for doing much less than what Hamilton did here...
Ocon defend like a lion
This is just dirty defending, moving all over, ocon always defended shitty like that
@@dripmike8989 mdr😂😂😂
@@dripmike8989 yep, ocon always had the mind of a top driver, but never had the speed or talent to be one, i guess this contributes to his agressive and bordeline dirty defending
He wants to put himself level with guys like leclerc, verstappen, hamilton, and maybe even russell, but deep down he knows he's just an ok midfielder, and if he was fast enough he would have been on that mercedes instead of russell
it this schumacher and ruben 2010 or something put in to the wall
What a joke. Different rules for different drivers
Ocon being typical Ocon, causes an incident and fails to take any blame!
Bruh we can't see shit in the video tbf, and there is no other angle : no broadcasting, Lewis cam was offline, and no forward onboard from Ocon
Ocon could very well have just straightened up the braking line which he has every rights to do so. Maybe Lewis was trying something stupid as well.. we can't know. Let's not blame stupidly
@@kepyyy5766 sorry. I was trying to argue with a moron and then I realize you were just trying to beat me down to your level and then win by using your vast experience.
Or you’re just another Hamilton hatter.
@@kepyyy5766 obviously never raced and even more obviously never read the rules.
Start with the second it will give you better perspective.
@@stevejh69 Never raced IRL that's true, but I did do a lot of virtual racing on sims
Doesn't mean I'm wrong
@@kepyyy5766 oh but it does.
The rules are available online. Go check them out.
Actually this video is completely wrong: the penalty given by the stewards was for lap 17. There was no penalty given for lap 18.
I not sure. In the moment in race, i thought this incident is more likely to have a penalty than the one on lap 17.
I don't think the lap 18 incident really warranted a penalty, like Hamilton could clearly seen Ocon was moving across (assuming he is, since this is the only angler we have) and still stuck in his front wing. Lap 17 does look to be more on Ocon however.
He was on the right side of the track, then he moves left to block lewis, then moves right again to block lewis and pinches him against the wall. Slam dunk penalty for two defense moves, as you're only allowed one change of direction each straight
Cant move under braking like that.
Clear cut penalty.
Can anyone confirm if there is a rule preventing crossing the pit exit line whilst racing? Hamilton was well within the yellow line boundary before being hit, which seems odd.
The pit lane exit line is only for exiting the pits, not for those racing on the track.
@@oxfordsparky Cheers - thought so. So why is the penalty Estebans when Hamilton was across the yellow line before the collision?
@@rob34024 maybe because ocon pushed hamilton to the wall?
@@ivanbradic8973 Hamilton wasn't on the track. He was attempting an overtake off track, and should have backed out?
@@rob34024 what are you talking about? How was Hamilton attempting to overtake off track there was literally a barrier on the edge of the track Lol. Hamilton moved to the inside to overtake Ocon on the straight and Ocon then pushed him into the barrier. Definitely a penalty for Ocon here what he did was unacceptable, you can’t move under breaking or push another car into a wall and he did both, 5 seconds penalty was kind although at least it pushed him out of the points.
The pit lane exit lines have nothing to do with this incident, cars racing on track can go over them, it’s only cars exiting the pits that must stay between them.
It was NOT the reason ! The report of the FIA states a different time and specifies Turn 1. It was not in turn 1
Bullshit penalty
Oh bloody hell Ocon, how dare he? Seriously what are we doing here? He should get out of SIR Hamilton's way. Does he not realize the he has a goat behind him? He should just pull into the pits and LET Lulu pass.
Mercedes front wing will not break
except that it did break
I have watched this several times now.
Lewis definitely hits the wall before the contact with Ocon.
He was never going to make it down the inside of turn 1 anyway so I wonder what he was thinking.
That being said, this is a racing incident and Ocon's penalty is bull.
``what was he thinking``? simple, make it look like ocon did something to get a penalty and pass like that, coz thats the only way Bitchmilton know how to race. Identic situation was with Fernando in Miami vs Gasly.... Fernando got the penalty there. Its all about rubbing sholders with the big boys that are politicaly correct in maFIA. Bichmilton can ram and do what ever he wants ... he is the ``golden`` boy of the political elits of F1.
@@gogudorel7550 Bitchmilton 🤣😂
Good one LOL
I don't think ocon could've seen this in time in the mirrors. Also he pulled something similar to Alonso in jeddah. But I have no stake in this.
Im no expert but the gap was closing. It doesn’t look like a really overtaking opportunity. Seems Hamilton was chancing his arm and looking to apply pressure by sticking his car in an unexpected place. I get there rules but seems more like 50 50. Penalty is harsh. Don’t be surprised when Ocon returns the favour.
there's not really a spot to overtake at monaco, you overtake where you gain on your opponent, Lewis was gaining significantly and was trying to make a move, Ocon closed him making a collision. It's 100% ocon's fault
Lmao the gap was only closing because Ocon moved over into him. Look at it from Esteban's front camera and there's no way he's making the apex of that corner on that line.
@@fredvenas471 I'm sure it wasn't Ocon's intention to touch Lewis, he may have thought Lewis was more behind and he really was, but still it's still his fault. An onboard from Lewis' perspective would really help tho, and yes, the wall may have sticked out as well,
You can't defende after the braking point. You have to stick to the line you have chosen while braking. It's the most basic rule of motorsport
@@odtkl3921 I appreciate that but do you really believe Hamilton could have made the corner given the distance to T1. angle and closing speed? Seems to me Hamilton stuck his car in a place that ultimately would have resulted in an incident within T1. Wish for thinking. Maybe the RB simple didn’t expect him there because it was an illogical place to attack.
clearly a penalty, should have been 20sec
But why not give lewis a penalty for lap 17?
??????? FOR???
@@mago97615 Crazy divebomb. Classic Hamilton hitting the right rear tire.
@@RhodiumMoviesMC there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. I have seen max do much crazier divebombs than this and silverstone and just because no contact was made (due to other driver not wanting to dnf) he got away with it
@@khalidqureshi3168 Ocon didnt back off. Get a education.
@@RhodiumMoviesMC 'get a education ' rather shows how highly educated you are. Secondly, i never said ocon backed off lmao. Penalties are based on actions not the results. The action lewis took here was not even close to the action many other drivers have taken but they got away because the defending driver backed off to not dnf
Nice driving from Esteban :)))
:D
This is the end of Hamilton era .I'm sick to see arrogant driver that mock others engine (he mock honda,the humiliated by honda )
The REAL REASON ? You can't overtake or defend against Hamilton without risking a penalty , as soon as it happens Hamilton will cry for invastigation , he was already crying for investigation at lap 17 when the contact was 100% his fault since he was not at Ocons level to make that turn side by side . PERIOD !
In my opinion, i think this was the reason of ocon penalty
I dont say that I agree :)
WRONG. The Stewards Document 53 gave Leclerc a 5 second penalty and 1 penalty point for breach of article 2 d) Chapter IV appendix L of the international sporting code.
Fact: Collision with car 44 at turn 1.
Reason: The Stewards received the video evidence and noted that approach to turn 1 there was a significant portion of car 44 alongside car 31 and therefore car 44 was entitled racing room into the corner.
Leclerc ?
Wondering why Max got a penalty at Monza 2021 instead of Lewis. 🤔
Maybe read the rules first. after that you'll stop wondering why that happened.
@@joao2669 actually I believe the rules have changed for 2022 such that in the Monza case it would now be Hamiltons that would get a penalty as max was significantly alongside. Anyhow, it’s water under the bridge.
do you fall off a swing
@@KL50450 water under the bridge heh? Tell that to people still talking about AD
@@KL50450 rules changed, but not those rules, those remain the exact same. Max deserved the penalty he got, but as you said, it's water under the bridge.
Why is Hamilton crashing in each and every race?
Why everyone want to crashing their car on Hamilton?
@@brucealidanger6256 It's the other way round.
Going for a gap that's closing quickly. BS penalty
First take time to read what the rules are under braking and then comment next time.
@@Gurbeable nah I'm good 👍
You can’t close the door when someone is there 😭
@@Hellh0unds gotta be in the door first. Everybody complains about max torpedoing...that's what hamilton did
Typical victimstappen d rider
Ocon was turning in on lap17 incident while Hamilton was still straight. Therefore...it was a bomb dive going wrong for Hamilton.
Look at steering angle...Hamilton couldnt take the corner...while Ocon was steering towards the apex already.
Unfortunately physics law doesnt allow you to take a corner without steering...al Hamilton did was a bald move, at Max style of I will put my car in a dangerous position and I will let you decide if we crash or not.
Exactly what he did on lap 18... Ocon was around the racing Line and Hamilton could not have take saint devote from that position..it was just stupid move.
no if he would have left a space there would be no collision Ham was on intermediate tyres he had much more grip
@@PBs1423 its Monaco!! What happened to Ham.most of the cars on the grid also did experienced at some point in the race.Monaco= no space = no overtake = train.
@@kessu83 Atleast he's trying something unless all the others cars. And Ocon was the one to blame here. It seems when i read you that you're an obvious Hamilton hater.
@@mago97615 Ocon is not at his best, I will take that. It seems as I read you that you are a rest fo the field hater, and thinks that everybody has to move away just because is Hamilton...well let me.tell you something...the rest of the field was also on a train...its Monaco!
He is not trying something...he was doing the idiot move and backfired twice, with the risk of damaging the car and not scoring points and disrespecting the rest of his team that has put an effort on having the car ready.
Did you see many of the lead cars doing such bold moves? No..because they are smarter.
@@kessu83 that would work if ocon had a good tyres to help him defend but he was a sitting target you can see how far away he had to let off before braking, parking your car in the middle is not fair while it’s legal but when someone faster is attacking leave some room that’s what ocon failed to do if he used his mirrors he would have noticed lewis was right there with him
lewis always does this same move, when he cannot get through another car he just sticks his nose in the other car. He literally did the same thing in silverstone to max in 2021. He got away there and again here he did the same and ocon got the penalty. If ocon moved under braking, he should be warned. Also for the longest time, everyone in front have always parked their car in the middle of the track to not allow the car behind to overtake, nobody got a penalty.
Indian 🤣 pass your literacy test first
Rapper boy is an ex pilot by now, you can tell his ego is not handling constant beatings from Russel, and he is driving in desperation.
Oh yeah? Max been doing that since his debut. Monza last year was a prime example
@@Faforino what?
WTF?????
Lewis haters crying the comments: Multi-Millions in the bank, over 100 Wins, over 100 Poles 7 Championships and you can't do nothing about it :D
Not us. No.
But Lewis himself is now showing us that his poles, wins and championships are pretty much meaningless and start to lose their value.
So, stop tossing his salad by saying he won everything based on skill. And that it was not the car. That he could drive any car and win.
Not only is he being exposed right now by driving a less competitive car. He's also being schooled by his younger, less experienced teammate.
All hail Sir Lewis folks... 6 times fake champion.
@@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag And another sore hater was born . Care more about PEREZ embarassing 2 times in a row VERSTAPPEN ( No Sc , no bad strategy) . Pure pace , unlike Russsell benefiting 3 times of Sc , and 1 time by Strategy. Plus since your brain is full of hatred , Spain Gp proved that Hamilton is still on another level of race pace , when somebody like ALONSO doesnt slow the car by going 3 seconds OFF PACE.
I love the fact that you're agreeing that a rookie exposed a world champion ( hence why you don't say 7x fake champion) .Pathetic
🤮🤮
Ocon is a joke
Hamilton should have got a penalty for lap 18.
Where did Hamilton want Ocon to go on lap 17. Drive into the wall because Hamilton wasn’t able to get in-front going into the corner?
To add a cherry on top, Hamilton doesn’t even try to go around chicane on lap 18.
Edit: I meant to say that Hamilton deserved a penalty for lap 18, not 17.
Either you don't know anything about f1 or you just hate Hamilton
@@Zachary_McLaren il @ you when the roles are reversed and someone gets a penalty for trying to overtake Hamilton like this. It’s not like the world hates him because he gets to drive to different rules than everyone else? No?
@@areyousur3 the racing code states that the overtaking car must be allowed space if it’s front wheels are level with the defending car’s rear wheels. The lap seventeen incident saw Lewis halfway alongside, plenty far enough to warrant space to be given to him. Ocon simply turned in like he wasn’t there. Lewis had every right to be there, so penalising him doesn’t make sense, but penalising Ocon also didn’t make sense in that scenario as both cars made the corner regardless, so it was ruled as a racing incident.
@@adammckinley1306 should Hamilton be penalised for not attempting the chicane on lap 18?
I agree that neither of them should be penalised for lap 17, but I think it’s completely ridiculous that Ocon was penalised. The implications of this penalty are that you should always just throw your car up the inside of the car in-front, and if they don’t let you past then they will receive a penalty.
It explains why Hamilton’s Mercedes has a very very strong front wing compared to other cars.
It will be very interesting to see what happens when roles are reversed. If the past is anything to go by, the person trying to overtake will be condemned as being “too aggressive” and “dive bombing”.
Btw, I meant to say that Hamilton deserved a penalty for lap 18 when he made absolutely no attempt to go around the chicane, not lap 17.
Lap 17 - Ocon's fault. Lap 18 - Hamilton has himself to blame.
Not at all both ocons fault
@@mikeygriffiths2868 no. Only lap 17 Ocon's fault.
@@teobartsch3473 It's not allowed to move to the other lines under braking...
@@cvessex I know, but we do not see the telemetry + the approach to St. Devote is not a straight line near the outside wall, it's practically what was driven. The track turns, not exactly the car.
@@teobartsch3473 fam, if anything 17 Lewis' fault and 18 Ocon's fault. Damn these dts fans nowadays
That's the most bs penalty I have seen, Lewis did it to himself.
???????
Not really. Ocon covered too late and pushed him towards the wall during a high speed section. Hamilton had no way to go but to brake what he did but Ocon hit is front wing regardless. When the FIA doesnt issue a penality than for what...
In that case, Max did himself Silverstone one.
Dirty driver against dirty driver what to expect?
AHAHAHA :D love you comment
Lemme guess, Max fanboy ?
@@joao2669 has to be. That's how he knows what dirty driving is lol
Lewis is actually the most respected driver for wheel to wheel racing in the paddock and that is coming from actual drivers not a nobody like you
@@joao2669 has to be. There are only two types of Formula 1 fans after all.