Project Cars 3: Every Console Tested - A Series Revolution But What About Performance?
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- čas přidán 30. 08. 2020
- A series revolution? Slightly Mad Studios returns after three years with a huge departure from the series' sim focus - putting its energy instead on arcade style objectives. Has the setup on console changed in the meantime? And has the series' performance level been boosted? Tom finds out.
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"The overhaul the franchise needed"
I don't think alienating your core audience and then crashing the franchise downwards is a necessary overhaul
I wouldn't mind them having a more arcade style game along side Project Cars, the NFS Shift games were fantastic for what they were. It seems as though they are just going in a completely different direction now, and weirdly competing with Dirt, another Codemasters game.
I mean the franchise was never successful to begin with, so I kind of understand why they'd be trying things out.
duck74 UK it should have been named Project Cars Arcade edition
@@numnuts44 i wouldn't mind that either. just don't call it project cars 3. call it project cars: subtitle.
@@SteelSkin667 yeah, but they won't understand that, it's just easier to complain for them
Now that I've seen the state of Project Cars 3, I am beginning to understand how Fast and Furious: Crossroads turned out the way it did.
Fast and furious: Crossroads should be nominated for goty
Total revolution? This game is a complete disaster.
Ikr 😅😅
Ian Bell promised us a game that was ‘200% better’ and he delivered... PC3 is 200% better than Crossroads!
@@JCTiggs1 JCTiggs, seems like PROJECT CARS 3 more less of a total deformation to even PROJECT CARS 1.
4:41 That pop in.
How can a game this unimpressive have this much graphical issues?
*See pop in once *
"Wow this game is shit"
@@Dev-nr4dw 5:46 nah dude, game is trash, look at the buildings. How a game looking this bad manages to have pop in
@@Dev-nr4dw aweh salty btch
Why even bother calling it "Project Cars 3" when its so different?
The irony is if they'd called it 'Project Cars Arcade' then they would have saved themselves so much grief from fans of the series.
Cash grab
@Oli Norwell Yes something like what Turn10 is doing with its Forza Horizon series.
"The overhaul the series needed" I cannot agree with that
I can if I want a race sim I climb in my 14 bmw m4 and go for a track day if I want to play a vid game I want to have fun and this was fun I actually can play it with a keyboard try playing pc2 with a keyboard
And he said a big upgrade from project cars 2 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This game is a disgrace.
@@spelaoxy yep, must be drinking
it is what hte game needed. Nobody wanted to play part 2 it was boring. You want SMS to go broke and shut down just so you r dumb ass feeling dont get hurt lol. the "sim" community is the worst
This game looks like it came out in 2013, more like a remaster of a nfs shift game
Not only looks, controls like a NFS too. A shame.
@@HipokritraStudio Such a dissapointment. Luckily I hadn't even heard this was being released! Can't believe they've converted one of the better SIM racers into just another Forza Horizon... Oh well, I guess that's what sells...
@@HipokritraStudio for real? he said it has the same physics as the first two parts.
i really like pcars2 because it's the perfect mix between sim and arcade driving with a controller. A NFS style game with sim-like physics would be great
@@JohnDoe_333 try NFS shift 1 and 2, theyre made by slightly mad studios
@@mdante6236 nfs shift is a sim like game with arcade physics, not the opposite
It's only my personal opinion, but Slighty Mad Studios really screwed up with Project Cars 3...
Yeah! Of the 50 plus people on my xbox friends list who play Project cars 2 regularly , ive seen 3 of them on this game and only one has persisted playing since launch.
Im with you man
this has nothing to do anymore with the kickstarter campaign that made their company and first game possible. It's a F... Y... to the fans' face.
Mr.Armenian Immediately starts calling somebody an idiot for their opinion. Yikes
@Mr.Armenian Get a life, kid.
From a driving sim to a poor man's asphalt, it even has that cartoony look
generic ass comments everywhere......pretty sure you know nothing about Asphalt aside from the fact it's on mobile, but just copy pasta the stuff you see elsewhere.
yikes.
@@Awaks not really I actually played asphalt fair bit, it's a fun game.
Don't take everything to heart
@@tiagomorgado3798 And it's nothing like this....from someone who's been playing on & off since A2, and just stopped playing 9 a few days ago, cuz I'm more or less about done with it for a few months at the very least.
And that on PC, mind you (which pc3 also looks better on)....all I see is a generic comment.
first it was mobile that was used, but ofc after the weirdos realized what CSR racing 2 actually looks like on max, it came down to Asphalt, which sounds even funnier.....childish sillines is all it boils down to.
This, WRC 9, Dirt, grid and some older/release racing titles are a very fun list/catalogue of games to enjoy, especially during this kind of period.
It's a great game, you want a SIM, play on pc. First 2 games were completely unplayable on consoles with controllers.
"The overhaul the series needed" - I disagree completely. The series didn't need to turn into this arcadey thing. It's as if the next Resident Evil would be a Battle Royale.
omg don't give them this idea :O
thats a terrible analogy
This. We dont need yet another arcade racer. Why did they betray the kickstarters, who funded their company so could develop a brand new (at the time) engine for realistic driving, by turning the series into arcade trash? Make it a new game under a different IP if they really wanted to ruin it all.
@@JoshQuake Nothing wrong with a "yet another arcade racer" because we've been getting way too many simulators over the past couple of years imho, which is fine by itself, but I don't want the racing game genre to be the same thing. This game just screwed up big time by not making it a spin-off, but as the main entry in the series which is just wrong.
@@DaWolftrax Sorry got heated in the moment after learning what SMS did to the franchise. You are right though, another arcade racer is fine and this revamp should've been under a different IP/spin-off.
@4:00 that mountain quaking worse than Krakatoa
Tearing in slow motion. So much of it, wth
Screen tearing in 2020 still makes me mad.
the only consistent way to prevent this is with screen and GPU pairing, as in G-Sync. Which is not available in consoles.
@@carlosfer2201
The Xbox one X supports freesync
@@carlosfer2201 Or... just use V-Sync ? As far as I know, not a single Switch game have screen tearing. Microsoft forces V-Sync on Xbox One X backward compatibility.
When it's not Screen Tearing, it's Frames per Second. And when it's not Frames per Second, it's Screen Tearing...
@@KorenLesthe
Vsync adds very noticable input lag.
Is it just me or did Project Cars 2 look better?
This doesn't look good at all! 360/PS3 visuals at best.
1st thought when I saw this video
@@SweDownhill bruh, curb your hyperbole.
@@SweDownhill show me one 360/ps3 game which looks this good
@@visitant1653 Forza Motorsport 4
This looks like fun, but it's sad they didn't split this off into a "Horizon" styled line of games instead of taking over the main Project Cars name.
"partnership between Slightly Mad Studios and Codemaster" ... What partnership? Codemaster bought Mad Studios. It's another Codemaster racing clone... I really stopped seeing any difference between their racing games long time ago.
Not that codemasters are doing things the right way in any way, but this game have been in the works since way before codemasters stepped in and bought slightly mad. Slightly mad made a crap game themselves with 100% rehashed content from PC2 and a couple of new cars, basically.
@@mrdoed grid 2019 looks great and has a great post processing going for it but this just looks like a phone game.
@@coffee7180 Yes, if you look at some comparison videos on youtube comparing PC2 and PC3 you'll notice that they have basically changed or added nothing to the engine in itself, and the performance notes from this video seems to me that they haven't really made any improvements there either. And talking about codemasters, sure Grid looks nice, but it isn't really that fun to play as the previous Grid-titles unfortunately.
partnership between Slightly Mad Studios and Digital Foundry, this game is step back in every aspect
And you have Forza 7 and Horizon 4 that explode this game in everyway.
Time to SlightlyMad to change job.
Video game noob here. What's the diff between forza 7 and horizon 4?
@@Sh-hg8kf Forza Motorsport, is the more simulation race track game. 7 is the last game in the series
Forza Horizon is built off the same engine but is an open world arcade racer, but has handling model closer to Forza Motorsport/Gran Turismo than Need for Speed. In Horizon you and your friends can all join i a party and drive around the map, do various challenges etc.
This might sound weird but Horizon is like a car game made by car people that is a celebration of everything around cars. Its sounds odd I know but thats what it feels like, it makes Horizon 4 in many peoples opinion the best car game released in over a decade
@Orion Pax don't put drive club in the same category to gt sport or forza 7, does games run on 60 fps with a lot of physic simulation and a high number of AI players.
@Orion Pax man you are hilarious, tell us another joke please
@@imo098765 FH4 is one of the best racing games of all time. The HZ series has been amazing since game 1.
This new Asphalt game is amazing, can't wait to load it up on my iphone!
Well at least NOW it may get a Switch port.
LOL nailed it
Great comment
Environments look outdated
@Mr.Armenian You're the only fan I've seen of this game
@Mr.Armenian Good one.
@Mr.Armenian slightly mad?
@Mr.Armenian wtf
@Mr.Armenian Your trolling is rubbish, go and be an arze elsewhere...
Slightly Mad? More like completely delusional!!!
They seriously made an EA move with this game. Totally killed the franchise
Glad you're back doing comparison vids
I hate when DF puts out a short video. Go in depth, I love hearing all the incredible details of which 70% I don't understand.
They only do that for great creations. They obviously get money, so they talk at least kind of good about this game. You can see though that they have no enthusiasm for it in exactly that low level coverage.
@@eSKAone- _They obviously get money_ Yes and those videos are labelled *sponsored*
I have yet to see a video where they keep bashing the game, they give extremely positive reviews for well made games and generally uplifting reviews for games that are lacking. They always try their best to make you look at the silver lining.
Only time I've seen them be outright critical is when talking about corporate and marketing decisions by hardware manufacturers and publishers.
@@eSKAone- Ah one more of those tin foil hat comments. Gotta love those people who think opposing opinions = bought off. News flash my dude, the world doesn't revolve around your concept of quality and other people are sure to have different opinions without money being involved. I hope you're smart enough to figure that out at some point.
I love longer videos as well, but this game's scope and public perception probably doesn't justify the time investment that a longer and more in-depth analysis would take. Regardless, you can tell Tom has put a considerable amount of time into this game because there are a number of cars he shows in the video that you'll only unlock really far along into the career mode. I've been playing this game close to 20 hours and he's using cars I haven't even unlocked myself yet.
They don't need to go in depth with this, as they don't need to zoom in to highlight the jaggies lol. (I still like the game for the custom races.)
Disappointing all round then!
In my honest opinion Project Cars 3 deviates too much from it's core to be enjoyable for somebody who enjoyed PC2 like myself.
If you are a Project Cars fan, you will despise this game. Stay away unless you like arcade-y stuff and have no attachment to the original games.
Personally, these arcade-sim mixed racers always felt like ass to me, this one is no different.
Thanks for the information. I really appreciate it.
Thanks DF for the info!
No offense but PC3 had worse graphics, animations,driving,weather effects and so on then PC2 !.
My main problem with this game is that graphically it is barely a noticeable upgrade (if there is any), while it downgrades on a lot of different elements, like fine tuning the time of day to what you want. Instead, you get presets and that's it. Also car classes are mixed up with cars from different eras and categories which looks really strange when you are driving a GT3 car and next to you is a F40 LM, it just looks way too out of place. My biggest gripe is that they haven't called it something like a spin-off like Project Shift or something, to differentiate this from the previous two titles, instead they called it as a main entry which is disingenuous.
Very fitting that there’s a tear line through the Project Cars logo :)
Revolution, you mean deevolution
I know their is mixed feelings about project cars 3 a lot of them bad, But this is the first project cars game i had really fun with
This is as good as playing driveclub 2
Refunded this on Steam the other day. Project Cars has always been about the simulation and that realism, something that's missing in PC3. It's an ok racing game but it ain't a Project Cars game.
Can you guys start testing VRR, this game seems like the perfect candidate for such a test.
Good news on the controls because trying to play projects cars/project cars 2 with a controller was a mess. It was basically unplayable. Not everyone has or wants to spend $300+ on a wheel
Okay this actually looks fun I used a controller so I'm happy it's more arcadey.
remember how Codemasters worked with Codemasters EVO(literally Evolution Studios) after Sony bailed on them and then Codemasters fired everyone. The same thing will happen to Slightly Mad Studios. Codemasters will destroy them something that even EA couldn't do/
If they had just called it "Shift 3" then i think this game wouldn't have gotten so much hate from the sim racing community.
SRC is basically dead so..
Even Shift 2 did many things much better tbh
@@Axuled OK but the number one thing it does wrong is the handling/physics, shift 2 has terrible physics, like awful. And that's the number 1 thing a racer must do right before anything else.
@@yobro6053 no, thats what a sim racer must do right. Shift 2 wasnt a sim racer.
5:22 That's how I remember MSR looking on Dreamcast.
Looks amazing
I don't get the hate for the game. Yeah, they should have gone for a different name, but it's lots of fun, has many of the fun elements from Driveclub.
This is the most fun racer I've ever played. The haters are missing out.
8:50 the building... nice improvement over project cars 2!
Those reflection updating at half (Quarter ?) framerate are killing my eyes
Made by the same studio that made Fast & Furious game.
Those street reflection run at 20fps or so😂
Interesting, I decided to stay with res mode on the X after trying both graphic modes for several hours over the weekend, I Did not notice a significant framerate difference between the 2, but the resolution difference was more noticeable to me, performance mode looks blurrier overall... sticking with res mode for now
The numbers you have explained (resolutions) are NOT representative of the final quality of the graphics. In certain tracks and under certain conditions (Shanghai daytime or Texas Speedway with the rain), the game looks horrible on Xbox One X, with jaggies EVERYWHERE, low resolution, low frame rates, and screen tearing. Sometimes parts of the tracks look very pixelated.
I don't remember a such poor performance for a racing game in the past six/seven years.
If I did not buy the game yet, and I was watching this video, I could get the impression that the game is not that bad. You should do a better service to the customers.
Even with a monster game computer game looks like complete trash.
They ought to add a 30FPS lock option.
"The overhaul the franchise needed" i really lolled at the ignorance
Not everyone is a sim racer with a complete wheel pedal setup.
dang...im still waiting on that Black Myth: Wukong trailer analysis
Was a bit worried when i saw it was released with little promotion or early reviews on it
Oh boy, I better grab my popcorn...
The shift to an arcade game is the death of this series
For the first time ever I've seen an alert for a DF video and thought...”who cares?”
This game is such a letdown...
You guys should have tested Automobilista 2 together!
Need for Speed: Project GRID
If this is anything like the amazing NFS Shift games than I'm buying this.
Not all revolutions are positive things, and its not often that DF miss the mark as badly as this.
That reflection update rate tho.
Anyone else noticing that CZcams's 1080p bitrate has gotten way lower these past few weeks? It's blocky enough that I'm not sure the details DF are talking about are really all that visible.
indeed i have. getting some shitty looking videos even in very high resolutions. not sure wtf is going on
Having an R34 overtake a P1 ... yeah legit sim this one!
2:50 - 2020 Ford GT launching worse than 50 year old BMW ... yeah totally legit!
CARS stands for Community Assisted Racing Simulator ... What a load of rubbish this franchise has become!
Stands for, not stands of. But yes it's a kick in the nuts hearing everything said in this video.
I made a new disgusted expression every time he raved about the downgrades.
Project C.A.R.S. was a game that wasn't made to be played with a controller.
This is the perfect time to use the line "Look how they butchered my boy"
Driving model was always trash anyways
It’s called a sleeper dude and it’s upgraded clearly
Now i dont blame you since not everybody can know this, but cars can actually be upgraded far beyond their stock performance.
Martin Schmidt in Forza I got a volts wagon Beatle faster than a stock Lamborghini and in real life you can do stuff like that
My favourite kind of video :D Thomas is the best in DF :D
and im still here playing gran turismo 1 on the ps1 not complaining about the texture warping.
Outstide tracks i def need to buy now
Love project cars, can't wait to play it on the pc , with a steady 60fps 😊
It's not Project Cars anymore but if you like Grid games you gonna like that one as it is another Grid game in Codemaster collection.
🤡
I think this is a outcome based on the fact Automobilista is using the Project Cars Engine which is a heavy simulation based game, perhaps there was some agreement to not be in direct competition. Slightly mad will still develop their Engine but revenue will come from other developers using it.
I was wondering what was wrong with the image, then I noticed that the car shadows appear to be affected by motion blur when they should appear solid in motion.
The game premise sounds like fun (bring me the good old days of sim racers like Gran Turismo 3) but best played on BC on next gen, or on PC. Oof
6:54 that z fighting, ugh
1:13 what are you on about? This started as a community funded racing sim hence the name, Project CARS (Community Assisted Racing Simulator). This title spits in the face of the community that gave its start and became an arcade racer. They're not happy about it. It's mostly the name that should've been changed. This is more like Shift 3.
Shout out to the double FRAME-RATE (FPS) on the right during the Xbox One X frame rate analysis
It seems pretty fluid in performance mode despite the slight drops. This will definitely be one to enjoy on PS5 in back compat :)
if ur into arcade racers that is, because this was a change in direction for the series, i will buy it anyways, having played the shift games
IF it come to playstation 5 back compt this. Read the latest on PS5 and ubisoft back compat. Looks like Sony isn't giving much love to back compat at all.
3:15 Are we still waiting for CZcams to finish rendering this video, or did Digital Foundry actually upload a 1080p video, then tell us to look at comparison shots between Xbox One S and Xbox One X?
They need to give these video more time to process. Same thing happened with the Avengers video, but at least they warned you on that one.
CZcams 4K encodes have been particularly slow lately. It's available now, at least.
1:57 Looks like Horizon 4 on low settings.
You said Tony Hawk style objectives but it is probably more similar to Drive Club.
Gee Thomas Morgan of Digital Foundry, how is the performance?
Just played this game on the series x: NEVER in my life have I seen framdrops like these! It's basically unplayable! Slightly mad seem to have abandon this game since day one. That it can't even run smoothly on a machine as powerful as the series x shows that slightly mad really could not care less
Yeah it's bizarre, esp compared to PC2 on the SX. So glad I gave 2 another try, as I would have been distraught with only this 😂
It’s terrible on séries x.fps in night races or with rani are incredible.They need to fix,its unplayable
Great now do a video on WRC 9.
This game is literally driveclub 2. I'm only keeping it pretending I bought a new driveclub
still looks like project cars 1. and sorry to say this, but it doesn't hold up.
add that to the switcheroo in sub-genres and this game is going to flop so hard
What a mess
Thanks for this review, screen tearing, drops below 60fps!
The Dreamcast never did this
Because it ran games in 480i
checarlos956214 *480p
DMcK 2000 420w*
willinton06 *480j
Yul Scott 480v*
Project Cars 2 looks better still. Color palette looks too gamey now.
Come on, these were all iPod Touch versions
What if I told you that this was built upon the dead Project Cars Go project? No wonders it looks like a souped up mobile game.
I feel like consoles are mostly/primarily bought for exclusive titles.
Oh boy
I wouldn't downvote this video, it's a truly hard work and a really nice review. I think that those 15% of downvotes comes by the lack of 4K, when DF compares X and S versions of Xbox, i can't barely see any diference with a compressed 1080P video.
You are wrong my dude
‘Shift 5”.
I'm glad the handling is better, but overall this is a slap in the face to the fans that built up the franchise. I'm calling it: this is the end.
Tearing is a dealbreaker. Always has been. Turn down the shadow detail on the crowd sprites if you can't make your target framerate with timing that fits a 60hz monitor.
I believe Codemasters wanted to fuck up Slightly Mad Studios and they manage to do it
It almost looks like temporal AA isn't applying correctly on every frame? Maybe because the dynamic res is bouncing too much? (Check the Slomo bit to see what I mean)
Looks like it's close enough to 60fps in the performance mode that some additional patching/optimization can get it there. Such an odd generation with these meager cpu's. There just wasn't a good, low power semi-custom option at the time in AMD's portfolio. For all the talk of the massive i/o and gpu improvements of the new consoles, I'm most excited about the enormous boost in CPU power. That boost is going to open up myriad game design options that weren't available in the current gen.
They should ad a 30fps cap and fix the jagged edges
Is that Z-fighting at 6:56?
ouch.
in all fairness that happens in forza horizon 4 too. i mean, not to that degree. there's a couple of cars where the details on the dashboard z-fight like that.
Personally I feel they didn't have to go this route, it was a really good if hard to run sim.
Please compare the performance on PC as well!!
3DS port looking kinda fire
I think some extra polish, fresh modern UI, campaign and extra goals etc is a nice and much needed addition. Controls and physics could be streamlined a very little. But the problem becomes when it's jumping ship as much as it's doing, completely abandoning it's built up fanbase. If they were gonna make an arcade racing game, it should be a spin off instead.
First, great video as always!
Second, CZcams destroyed this video's bitrate, holy hell.
How does the base Xbone version look that blurry and muddy? This genuinely looks like it came out 10 years ago.
Controller support increased but wheel support took a huge hit. People on controller are seconds faster than people on a wheel. That's wrong.
They should include a sound test of the console sound. PS4/PRO 3...2...1... Take Off
Not my pro 🙂