Just after 11:15 YT cut a bit of video but essentially what I was saying was my conclusion which in a 1vs1 Law and Kid don’t even stack up to G2+3 and in a 1 vs 2 Luffy still wins comfortably.
Base Luffy slams Law and Kid individually as well. Luffy did not use G2 until after Kaido acknowledged him. He just used one G3 punch once. He was swapping hands in base And also split the sky in base
I feel like for big mom not using her conquerors is partly due to stamina reasons and since she definitely did go all out it’s possible that she can’t use both conquerors coating and her giant form at the same time meaning it’s likely stronger than conquerors coating, besides that Kidd and law did tank a lot of devil fruit attacks which on onigashima were infused with conquerors in a couple instances, aswell as law tanking multiple consecutive punches from giant form big mom with haki so conquerors or not that’s still very impressive
Lol makes no sense . Meanwhile shanks uses Haki to one shot kidd, big mom couldve done the same because she has the same level of Haki and has adv Haki …. why would her giant form be stronger than that?
@@Sociallybeast01 first of all we all know Big Mom’s haki is not on Shanks’s level. He’s argubly the strongest haki used in the series and second, Kidd wasn’t on guard nor ready for a full powered adv CoC haki attack, the only reason him and Law fr beat Bm was by out smarting her. She dominated them for the most part
@@cameronstevens2053 um yes it is. No one said It was stronger lmfao. It’s comparable though , all yonko have comparable Haki. If she didn’t she would have never split the sky against kaido 🤦🏿♂️ YES he has better Haki but her Haki is definitely YONKO level as having that level of Haki is literally required to be a yonko.
@@cameronstevens2053 and no , what you mean to say is he blitzed kid. You can’t seriously sit here and say a kidd that was ready to obliterate part of shanks fleet was NOT prepared to actually fight shanks. What, he thought shanks would underestimate him even though last time they took his arm? Dude you make no sense.
Beat content around nothing but facts were spoken here 💯 it’s crazy how inflated law and kidd’s strength really was, bigmom didn’t use advanced conquoers, have zues in here possession etc.. she allowed them to get free hits in they only succeeded in knocking her off the island and the nukes did the rest of the damage to her. Glad she got the respect she deserves as for luffy though against both law and Kidd it would be over kill once he uses gear 5th 😂
To be heard I’ve been trying to tell people in the OP community Kidd is like a glass canon build, sure he could wipe out or severely damage shanks or people if he hits them directly with his full attack & they don’t have enough protection like natural devil fruit durability + advanced conquerors coating like Kaido & Luffy both have
If anyone feels like Luffy is weaker than Kaido, Read This: The Luffy that lost to Kaido 4 times is not the same Luffy now, those situations aren't happening. Those moments are irrelevant. If Luffy and Kaido fight, it will end with Bajrang Gun and Flaming Drum Dragon again, Luffy's Haki is stronger than Kaidos now. Thats why he won that final clash. Luffy and Kaido are equal and Im willing to say it goes either way but Luffy is not getting knocked out or dying before he tries Bajrang Gun again or something of similar power. Luffy can fight so much with Kaido before G5 and G5 is needed when Kaido goes Full Power, so really think about how the fight is going to play out now. Imagine the fight right before G5 and after, but from the beginning when both are healthy, it will be insane. At the end of the fight Luffy has an attack that's better than Kaido can ever do. SO there is only 2 ways Kaido can win: A: Kaido doesn't allow Luffy to use Bajrang Gun or whatever equivalent Attack Luffy pulls out somehow. B: Kaido tanks Bajrang Gun or equivalent Attack. Personally I think these are unlikely too happen. But not impossible so atm I will say Luffy and Kaido are equal now. and at worse its 50/50. So I think it is reasonable to say Luffy Low-Mid Difs Kid and Law together. especially in Gear 5.
@@jamesfoxsmithjimbe fought ace for 5 days, kuzan vs akainu lasted 1 week, roger vs wb 3 days and you are saying kaido was tired because he beat the scabbards in 2 chapters ?
Finally someone with a brain, Kaido is an absolute powerhouse and there is no doubt about that but Luffy has surpassed him, the arguments people use to say Kaido is stronger often rely on headcanon or kaido being "exhausted" but Luffy has almost no stamina left during their final fight too, he literally had to force himself back into gear 5 when he already reached his limit. Kaido was clearly fighting at full strength against Luffy in gear 5, even if he couldn't keep up that power level much longer neither could Luffy (and it's kinda dumb to assume Kaido was reaching his stamina limit because the guy is stated to be capable of fighting yonko level opponens for days on end so how is the Onigashima raid that lasted a few hours with no fighters other than Luffy nearing that level worse than fighting someone like big mom for days), Luffy literally blitzed kaido several times in gear 5 and overpowered him in their final haki clash, not to mention kaido managed to hit Luffy multiple times with conqueror's haki coated attacks and they did practically nothing while base Luffy was dealing good damage to hybrid kaido with conqueror's haki coating attacks, this kinda proves gear 5 makes his durability better than hybrid kaido (except against cutting attacks). Tbf his durability is not really comparable to kaido outside of gear 5 but that's besides the point, if Luffy is capable of chipping away at Kaido with regular gear 5 attacks and finishing him off with an all out attack in gear 5 but taking conqueror's coating attacks with no consequence how does Kaido compete with that even assuming they both have all their stamina, only hope kaido has is Luffy spends too long playing around in gear 5 and tires himself out.
10:36 this puts luffy above big mom as well. Kaido clearly respect him more than big mom at this point and thank you for speaking facts. U dropped this 👑
@@zagessjLuffy did beat Kaido's strongest attack, but that was not Kaido's hybrid form. It would have likely been a stalemate if Kaido had used his hybrid form. Also since you speak such facts, how strong do you think Zoro is compared to base Luffy?
@@Relax_Rombey Because it has been stated that a zoan hybrid form is stronger than the regular form, and base Luffy does not slam Zoro, the dude took a combined attack from two Yonko for about five seconds, got up and damaged his body even more by moving around, overwhelmed a SOMEWHAT serious Kaido, scarred him, and then got even stronger in his fight with King, then proceeded to absolutely destroy King, who is no slouch when it comes to endurance and damage output. In fact in my opinion King would be Yonko level if he had upped his endurance and had stronger haki. Yeah Luffy was matching Kaido but it's entirely possible that Zoro would have been able to do the same, just for a shorter period of time. But against Luffy Zoro would be able to put far more pressure and do far more damage because Zoro wouldn't need King of Hell to do massive damage to Luffy. Zoro would be able to outlast Bound Man and possibly even overpower it, and Snake Man doesn't have enough power to do massive damage to Zoro.
I completely agree. Not only does Luffy also have his awakening to match Kidd and Law's awakening, but he also has conquerors haki infusion mastered to a level even higher than Kaido's conquerors haki infusion. Unlike the two of them, Luffy's trump card is his conquerors haki, not his awakening, further reinforcing how easily Luffy wins since conquerors haki is the pinnacle of power.
@@davidortiz3094 Awakening was the cherry on top, but conquerors was his biggest buff. It took him from not being able to face Kaido alone, to being able to put up a fight on his own. In comparison, Gear 5 gave just enough of an edge to barely beat Kaido.
The real factor here is Law’s Devil Fruit. The ability to bypass your defenses and hurt you from the inside is crazy considering how ridiculous a tank Big Mom is. If Luffy truly uses Future Sight the way he should be using it, he should take it.
Another thing! Law said that with enough haki you cancel the effects of others devil fruits on you. Had Big mom used her full haki potential she could have potentially cancel out Law and Kid's attacks
I think that only applies to things that change you, not just effect you. Like I don’t think haki can stop the effects of Magellan’s fruit from poisoning you, but haki can definitely stop the taming fruit we saw in 1080
Why not Luffy more stronger than kid and law combined he has all three types of advanced haki also the strongest most powerful devil fruit of all time history
It has not been called the most powerful devil fruit, it has been called the most ridiculous power. It is very powerful but it's not the most powerful, merely one of the most broken.
@@nathanwelling8948 Just imagine this... what if Luffy can make the ground stretch to be more rubbery and then coat it with armament...can you imagine how broken that is? If he can affect his surroundings(people) so they become rubber can he also use haki on them?
@@niggawthisthat00 Well he did make the ground stretch in his fight against Lucci, but he can only do that in Gear 5. And we already saw Luffy stretch Kaido but it practically did zero damage. And about him using his haki on them, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Just because Luffy overwhelmed Kaido’s Haki in their final clash doesn’t necessarily mean Luffy’s Haki is stronger. Kaido had been running the gauntlet all night, the man was surely exhausted by that point. Meanwhile Luffy had multiple breaks and a nice meal halfway through their battle.
@@jocoolshow exactly tho, during the night Luffy got breaks and food meanwhile Kaido had to hold up an island all night while fighting a bunch of people. So if Luffy did overwhelm Kaido’s haki it was only because they had been lessening it all night before the final attack.
That excuse does not work as he was in worse shape than Kaido when he beat him. Luffy was om his deathbed when he beat Kaido. Chapter 1036, 1037, 1042 and 1045 make it clear. Read those chapters, see what kaido and luffy state in 1045. See how Base Luffy was taking hits in chapter 1036, 1037 and compate it.
@@ilikechicken5524Then the CP0 agent comes and literally causes Luffy to die lol. Alcohol is to Kaido what meat is to Luffy, that nigga got drunk in the middle of their fight.
Actually I personally think Coq haki can be used in diffrent ways bigmom just uses hers to increase her durability Hear me out If u think about it Why is it when u break mother caramels picture bigmom starts crying and can get hurt Its cause her will is broken Haki is the manifestation of will If Ur weak-willed u can't utilize Coq haki That's why in that specific moment she can be hurt by even a random paper cut her Coq haki is down and her skin is like everyone else's So on wano each time she had Coq haki surrounding her body like in 2:08 it's an indication to her using her Coq haki to amplify her defences
I’ve also considered thing perspective before but her natural defence could be armament for all we know Oda never delved into it so it’s hard to say for sure
@@JT-km6th lol sanji doesn't have the will to hit women that's why his armament haki didn't activate when Maria was punching his face as he begged Robin to save him He literally said it Haki is literally will power
Let’s just be realistic, Kaido and Big Mom are relatively equal in power, a weakened Law and Kid took down Big Mom, and we saw Big Mom used acoc since 1024, so this was a full power Big Mom. Law and Kid had an equal effort in taking down Big Mom, maybe Law more so, but it is what it is. Y’all need to stop taking Oda for an idiot, BM uses acoc on Page One but in a fight where she’s felt more pain than any fight in the last 40 years, she would use her lifespan before advconquerors haki? It should be self explanatory that Big Mom was 100% against them. Based on the narrative shown to us, Law and Kid in Wano were more than half a yonko in terms of strength. The only way Luffy wins, is if he sustains G5 for pretty much the entire fight, otherwise he won’t beat them both at once, Oda goes out of his way to show us that they’re individually comparable in some way or the other.
💀 bro if u think kaido and bm are “relatively equal” in strength u need to reevaluate their feats kaido beats bm in every combat category by tiers of strength lol
@@whatthatbout4629 All yonkos are relative in power sir. If they weren’t the would lose their territory. Splitting the sky is also another thing that confirms this. How they fight and their matchups have nothing to do with how powerful they are on the whole. Bm is just and idiot but if she wasn’t she’d be right next to kaido and shanks.
I think its cause Luffy isn't fighting seriously..Do you remember when people hyped mid lucci 💀 Luffy used zero haki and was still working lucci. In fact he wasn't taking it seriously at all and knocked him out. So far I dont think Luffy sees anyone strong enough to go all out against as he did with Kaido. It's not a Life or Death atm(In Luffy's eyes)
He didn't nerf Luffy at all. Luffy just isn't using it. Haki isn't unlimited. That's what people tend to forget & I'm sure Luffy knows he can beat them.
@@JK_073 What’s ur evidence? I’ll give mine. Zoro on the roof was already blitzing big mom and making her tell kaido to dodge. He blocked the hakai. He scarred Kaido which is something oden was able to do with his 2nd strongest attack. Oden had coating and mastered enma and was in kaidos top 5. Big mom wasn’t. We know that he has fought all the guys in his top 5 or at least seen fight. He fought big mom and she did not make the list. Oden>big mom. Zoro’s strongest attack pre coating was able to replicate odens best feat while on deaths door. Zoro then got a significant power up with coating. Luffy went from g4 not doing anything to base doing something. Thats more than a g4 stronger. So zoro got more than a g4 stronger or a little less. Yamato showed better feats than 1010 Luffy and then g2,3 luffy was shown to be a good bit ahead of her. Then he went g4. Zoro on the roof was equal or stronger than g4 luffy. Then they both get coating albeit luffys better. That g4 luffy gives full power kaido a good fight. He said previously that g2,3 luffy was the toughest fight he had in a while which would include big mom. That means that big mom without 2 homies was weaker than luffy without gear 4. Now ask yourself if g4 or zeus and prometheus is a bigger boost. Zoros biggest problem in wano was stamina and control over enma. Given the precedent of kid and law gaining mastery over their awakenings after wano it is not a stretch to say that zoros coating has reached the level of g4 luffys when he fought kaido. He will have also gotten better control over enma. The second there is a statement of zoro mastering enma it's over. Zoro could scar kaido when he was far weaker. Kaido is more durable than big mom. Now imagine a current zoro KOH ashura with a better coating and enma. Thats messing big mom up if not outright killing her. His biggest hole is observation and big mom is a slow immoblie fatty. He may not have an outright better argument now but it should not be dismissed. If he shows mastery over enma and coating he is easily on odens level who is on kaidos level who is and shanks level. Shanks one shot that guy that gave big mom trouble (no coating big mom). food for thought
@@JK_073 Get the hell outta here with that bs. Zoro has advanced conquerers which automatically puts him in the top tier list. Zoro would slice & dice all her homies. Even her sword.
People don’t pay enough attention to Kaido’s flashback with King, where he states the one to defeat him will be Joyboy. Kaido and Shanks clashed before Marineford, yet Shanks is not Joyboy. Not making an argument that Luffy is stronger than Shanks, but it definitely supports the argument that he is on that level
2:10 big mom always uses advance conquerors, the only time we have seen her not use it is when mama caramels picture was destroyed. also big mom and kaido use adv conq differently since big mok uses it for durability and kaido uses it more offensively
It really doesn't make much of a difference, if you remember that none of kid or law's attacks could damage kaido to a big extent as they were all too shallow. I mean you can argue that their awakening made them stronger, but Kaido still has more durability than big mom even though she uses advanced conquerors(defensively). Luffy still gonna win due to his broke his devil fruit is, not to mention his top tier haki besides big mom is a bit mediocre, her normal IQ always gets in the way of her battle IQ and overall she just isn't that strong of a fighter. Luffy could've soloed big mom(in a much quicker time and with less injuries), but Law and Kid would have gotten destroyed by kaido.
Luffy defiantly should be in the same tier as shanks if luffy used pretty powerful attack he could one shot them individually like kaido slapping law and zoro at the same time
Luffy obviously beats Zoro but it’s not a great matchup for him. It’s been stated many times slashes are his weakness so swords, especially ones coated in ACoC are very lethal against him compared to other attacks he casually tanks. He’d have to take care of Zoro quickly without letting him get any clean hits.
@@dex7891 But luckily his devil fruit allows him to stretch, not only his body but his surroundings, and depending on how op that is, he could negate slashes by simply stretching the ground or an object nearby. Basically he can fight freely so who knows
@@dex7891 Doesn't guarantee a win though. Luffy offensive power is no joke. Dude can make a punch the size of an island coated in conquerers & advanced armament haki. Divine Departure ain't beating that.
@@dex7891 That's exactly why Shanks fights as he is, being somewhat of a swordsman. Imagine Kaido having a sword, Luffy would have died several times. Kaido really was looking for a fun brawl, no wonder he was merciful to the upstarts.
@@davidortiz3094 not beating it but it can definitely match it, you need to understand the difference between AP and DC, that’s like saying Raigo>Kamusari just because Raigo wipes out an island and Kamusari doesn’t
and Kidd fans where out here wilding saying that if luffy was in kids position (fighting shanks) he would also get low diffed in reality I’d say shanks wins against luffy but it’s high diff, imo I could see luffy clashing with shanks’s kamusari
I agree, I feel like even if Law is a little stronger than Kid, the gap between them isn’t astronomical as some people think, because going by the manga Law and Kid needed each other in that fight, either to distract Big Mom or to throw a follow up attack, Law’s shockwaves were powerful but not enough to win the fight, Kid needed to hit her with a follow up attack of blunt force to do any lasting damage, also Law had abilities that completely counteracted Big Mom’s abilities, like silence, and shock willie, negated her use of homies and her durability, and personally I find it more impressive Kid was able to do any damage to Big Mom even with Law’s help not having internal damaging abilities like Law or Luffy, in the anime it makes it seem that Law and Kid are both using their own ways of hurting Big Mom rather than them attacking her internally then externally, so I don’t know why people think Kid is that much weaker than Law, if Law didn’t have his specific devil fruit that counters Big Mom’s strengths both Kid and Law would have been screwed, like Luffy’s fight with Eneru
BM's CoC haki might just not be on the same level as her devil fruit powers. Yes, Kaido states that haki transcends all and Luffy, same with Zoro, started using CoC infusion pretty easily In Wano, but there are outliers such as Enma pulling out a lot of haki from Zoro and Luffy learning CoC infusion via ACoA technique aka ''flow'', Kaido and BM haven't shown anything like that in Wano and it might be harder for them to use CoC haki than compared to Luffy, but BM might have been more dependent on her DF and she probably trained more with her DF than with her haki, whilst Kaido could have done the opposite. This would explain, why BM does not use CoC infusion vs Law and Kidd, plus she might not even be able to infuse her homies' attacks with CoC, which would just leave her depending on CoC only in melee fight, Law and Kidd however were keeping a good distance from BM. The only time I can criticize of BM not using CoC infusion, is when she punched Law 13 times with just pure armament, but then again BM gets flustered quite easily and has an IQ of a worm, so she probably just fell under pressure at that point in time and did not realize she could just beat law easily, then and there.
Law’s sword is clashing against BB’s quake bubbles, the same BB that beat Marco, the same Marco that 2v1 King & Queen. Law obviously got stronger & is taking note of haki being a key.
@@kane3j336 BB beat Marco and Marco was stalling suppressed King and Queen. King gets massively upscaled after that fight. Marco gets vlitzed by BM right after their clash, Marco was not off guard and had an upperhand after winning the clash, so there is no real excuse for him. Zoro performs way better against BM that Marco, in terms of speed. Zoro outpaces BM 2 times and one time catches her off guard. BM, however, never outpaces Zoro and can only hit him by catching him off guard, so rooftop Zoro's speed scales relatively above BM's who scales over Marco. King(f on) is relatively faster than that rooftop Zoro, so the scaling in speed goes like this. King(f on) >~ Rooftop Zoro >~ BM > Marco. In AP and Dura King scales way higher than Marco. Marco ain't over King in like almost to no stats, so what is ur point with BB? Law had to use his awakened shock wille vs BB's normal Gura punch, that ain't much of a feat for Law. Imagine if Zoro had to use his CoC coating against Luffy's Red Roc(without CoC coating), a fodder attack for Luffy. That would not be a feat for Zoro.
@@hitetsu9180 Zoro went full power on the rooftop & had help, Zoro isn’t 1v1ing BM law teleported to tag his hits, he held the defense for sure, Zoro did surpass Marco but that only currently.
@@kane3j336 First of all, Zoro was not going all out vs BM, as he still had Ashura, BM however was using her full speed and u can't really debunk that. Her amp vs Law amd Kidd is not even some kind of mode, she just sacrificed 5 years flat for her life and we don't even know if it amps speed. Either way, my scaling works nicely regarding to Marco, stop wanking that guy up lmao.
Pure facts and W 🔥🔥🔥🔥 People should put more respect on Luffy's name. Blackbeard and Shanks are his real rivals in terms of power right now. Not Law and Kid
@@Underworldwarrior1 kidd fought against kaido for a good while. Shanks one shot him neg diff and it wasn't even his strongest move by common sense. Shanks wins and it's not a close fight. Luffy doesn't beat shanks yet either. There's no point in putting more respect on his name if people seriously think that he has surpassed kaido despite kaido having 70 different handicaps in the fight when he was fighting gear 5.
@@Relax_Rombey Yes Kaido > Shanks. He's stated on multiple occasions to be the strongest. Kaido can literally do what Shanks did as well, he'd be able to do more by just going into dragon and blasting the ship instead of the giants doing it.
Really it seems Big Mom only ever used Advanced Coc for defense.. for her Iron Balloon body. some moments imply that, but other than Page One she isn't using it for attacking for some reason, idk if she is better at using it for defense or what.
It would be crazy if a person could train all the way up to adv conq and not know how to use it proficiently . You can t easily do that lol. It would be insanity, especially being as old and having it for as long as big mom did
You guys hype up conquerors coating too much. It's just there for durability negation. Heck, the fact that Big Mom is equal to Kaido with just her natural power and devil fruit is super impressive
It’s not even durability negation, that’s Advanced Armament. It’s just an AP amp, but due to Luffy and Zoro haki blooming, people think it’s an overall stat amp
12:20-12:35 thank you. You’re hands down the smartest CZcamsr for acknowledging this. Shanks fanboys think he’s the strongest character in the series and Luffy is still far away from Shanks in terms of power 😂
Its because Kid and Law are NOT THAT GOOD people wanna say they are admirals but they are not close yet, first commander level suits them way more given their stats
@@jorgesanabria6484 Kaido was carrying Onigishima, was fighting WAYYY longer without breaks and Luffy got to rest. Multiple times. Full Power Kaido 1v1 Full power Luffy is a Kaido win.
luffy vs shanks is not gonna be a serious fight, shanks is prolly gonna laugh as much as luffy when he uses g5. well its gonna be serious and not serious at the same time if you know what i mean i guess
I don’t think people realise how much help Luffy got to “defeat” kaido? At the roof top everyone attacked Kaido damaging him significantly, despite having to pour his power into having to hold the island and drag it to his destination whilst fighting and also bearing in mind Luffy got help from others (Kid, Law, Killer , and Zoro) the strongest warriors excluding Marco and Sanji A pure 1v1 Luffy loses in my opinion
The Luffy that lost to Kaido 4 times is not the same Luffy now, those situations aren't happening. Those moments are irrelevant. If Luffy and Kaido fight, it will end with Bajrang Gun and Flaming Drum Dragon again, Luffy's Haki is stronger than Kaidos now. Thats why he won that final clash. Luffy and Kaido are equal and Im willing to say it goes either way but Luffy is not getting knocked out or dying before he tries Bajrang Gun again or something of similar power. Luffy can fight so much with Kaido before G5 and G5 is needed when Kaido goes Full Power, so really think about how the fight is going to play out now. Imagine the fight right before G5 and after, but from the beginning when both are healthy, it will be insane. At the end of the fight Luffy has an attack that's better than Kaido can ever do.
@@MementoDespair man bajaring gun isn't that big off a trump card kaido could have cut off luffys hand and dodged bajaring gun, kaido DID speed blitz snakeman with ease. All the damage kaido took was pointless and healed from other fighters but his endurance and stamina grew lesser and lesser in time, probably the reason kaido fainted from bajaring gun.
She doesn't stack up?? Her endurance was one of the most impressive things we've seen to date. Kaido's statement about haki wasn't him saying that haki > devil fruit, it was him saying that a strong will is what it takes to achieve your dreams, he directly references Roger, as just because you have a strong devil fruit, it doesn't mean that will grant you a win.
@@smalltrashman4227 Luffy needed awakening to beat Kaido despite having advanced haki in all 3 types. Kaido needed his DF as well. WB was considered the strongest man because of his DF which could ‘destroy the world’. Big Mom values her DF over haki as she used advanced haki on low tiers like Page One while against Law and Kid, she used more advanced DF techniques. Law’s Awakening does more internal damage per hit than any ACOA + ACOC attack we’ve seen so far. Kaido and Big Mom are relative in overall stats, and Luffy needed an insane amount of ACOA + ACOC along with Gear 5 to do real damage to Kaido while Law’s awakening was able to shatter Big Mom’s bones etc
@@jocoolshow Kaido and Big Mom are relative, but Kaido has much higher stats on all categories. As for the rest of what you said, none of it actually goes against my point. I'm not saying devil fruits don't make you more powerful, I'm just saying Haki scales higher and is way more important overall. Like some of the abilities of devil fruits just get straight up disabled by strong haki. A good way to sum this up is, in the new world, what does a pirate need more, devil fruits or haki? The answer is haki. That's the reason Kaido made the statement he made.
Bro she was literally complaining about having a broken arm meanwhile zoro on the rooftop pre advanced conquers with 30 broken bones was still able to gone on and clash with kaido yall be sucking bm so hard bro
I think u r gauging the fight based off what kaido said Just cause Coq haki is op Doesn't mean it's necessarily the only way to fight or that it is greater than devil fruits offensively Bigmom devil fruit abilities could just be as strong as kaidos Coq haki attacks Garp couldn't use Coq haki But he was able to contend against roger on an even playing field Even blackbeard who was a witness to Roger and whitbeards strength and haki still chose a path of devil fruit hunting Not saying Coq haki isn't strong But saying bigmoms attacks weren't as impressive as kaidos just cause she didn't coat em in Coq haki Is not entirely true Coq haki doesn't guarantee a fight
Luffy isn’t as strong without adv conq as when he’s using it, same for Kaido same for Whitebeard so it’s the same for Big Mom. Of course she’s still strong but she’s not at her best without Adv Conquerors.
Actually it does, as Shanks was able to 1 shot kid and killer using "Divine Departure" He definitely would not have been able to do that had he not used Acoc
@@niggawthisthat00 you literally are not the writer U say definitely like oda himself said it Bro no Shanks who scales to mihawk 2 people who are younko teir unlike kid and law who barely beat and younkos and even then didn't beat her but threw her off the island Why won't he be strong enough to one tap kid who is weaker than him Kaido literally killed luffy with 1 hit Kaido also knocked oden out with 1 hit (mind u at this point oden was stronger than kaido) so why so surprised that kid gets knocked out too Don't give the credit to haki Its shanks Shanks made it what it is not the other way around
@@zagessj that's why I said she prefers using it for defence rather than Offence since her homies are prolly her strongest form of Offence PLUS luffy isn't as strong because luffys devil fruit isn't an offensive devil fruit without luffys strength The Nika Nika no MI just gave luffy rubber powers at a base and makes him physically more stronger each time he laughs Kaidos devil fruit increases his physical stats too But law and kid straight up have devil fruits that can deal dmg and no physically Stat increase Law without haki was able to deal internal dmg to kaido that made him bleed just like luffys red hawk And this was pre awakened law
Big mom was actually using hiokoku sovereignty which is haki infused. She used awakening attacks against kid anf law and big mom literally was going all out what . What manga do yall be reading fr?
This vid made me think about something somewhat related. Does anyone else realise Conqueror's Haki doesn't knock out or really even affect ANY of the Strawhats? Not even Chopper and Nami. 😮
@zage they didn't pass out from Big Mom or Kaido during the raid and the sparks were flying, have we EVER seen any Strawhat knocked out by it? I forget but this series is SO long lol
1 v 1 I agree Luffy wins. But Luffy consistently showed throughout the Kaido fight that he has a time limit he was always being saved on his time limits. Law and Kid just need to stall out his time limit which they are aware off since they fought together against Kaido. And law and kid have really good stalling abilities.
Luffy is only time limited with gears 4 and 5 but he can fight for long with in base and even gear 2 which he learnt to use efficiently with his future sight he will be able to easily predict laws teleporting and simply just blitz him and with ryou and acoc it would honestly just 1 shot him. Now that leaves kid if luffy uses gear 5 kid literally can't hurt him and he will probably try to use damned punk but luffy will just reflect it back with rubbery ground. Luffy's speed and damage is just way to much for kid and law
I don't think you can just sleep on Law like that. Assuming Kid can't even push the fight to mid difficulty Sure _(although tbh we haven't seen Luffy fight Shanks yet)._ But Law only has good feats so far.
Damned Punk Need to tatted. That damn Punk rail gun broke the internet more than Luffy being the Sapsap fruit literally I thought luffy awakening was gone be ass and one piece was over!
Luffy is still definitely stronger dont get me wrong. but people keep ignoring the fact that luffy that got his full health bar back numerous times was fighting an already highly damaged kaidou, while kid and law unlike luffy didnt have any breaks and werent healed at any point were fighting full health big mom who didnt get nearly as damaged as kaidou was during the roof battle + powered up, bcs worn out kid and law with their awakening (which drains their already drained stamina) damaged her to the point where she used her life span to power up. And also luffy and kaidous battle was technically a draw, bcs if it werent for the underground lava luffy wouldve still been out for a week and kaidou wouldve also been already regenerated buy that point, whiiile kid and law were still able to fight after big mom got defeated. Luffy is the true yonko between the three of them and easily the strongest but their power is muuch more closer than you think, their bounties are the same for a reason.
Their power is a lot less closer, Kidd got his crew destroyed while Law got handled by Blackbeard handily. Not kid and law has even demonstrated the ability to split the sky or future sight
Their bounties are close because the wg is trying to suppress luffys bounty (they told them to remove the middle initial along with trying to stop the new printed gear 5)
@@bruhxit2678 i know it sounds silly but law and kid by themselves are yonko material they are just in the lower tier alonside bb at the start of his career having a 2.2B bounty having the feat of destroying marco wich is something that law and kid coulve done and before you think that kid and law dont deserve 3B bb himself said that law is definetly worth 3B while fighting him and oda seems to throw the fact that law and kid are worth 3B a lot as well. And the reason to why they got clapped is their crew. Their crew consists of 1 commander and 2-3 tobiroppo members under them and that is not enough for the emperors world, plus law vs bb was a fight that exactly puts law on the yonko tier bcs even though they lost they left bb and his titanic captains visually injured and exhausted after the seemengly long fight and not to mention the crew who got inhalated which means if a 3rd yonko party came it wouldve ment game over for bb. And when it comes to kid he lost bcs he fought against shanks and while law fought teach and left him injured shanks defeated kid "alone" (there were dorry and brogy) well just imagine the scenario if instead of shanks it was big mom the story wouldve gone completely differently, y? Its bcs kid and killer can deal with not only bm but her crew as well, they would lose but they wouldve left them injured and vulnarable to third parties like for eg. an admiral with a group of vice admirals. What i wanted to say is Shanks is something else, it seems that oda potrays him like the second coming of christ, he is a pirate king level threat thats what he wanted to portray with that battle, and in my defense shanks alongside beckman, lucky roux and yasopp alone have the strenght to defeat the straw hats. + spliting the sky is not nescesary to be in the yonko tier, simply through bb being the level that he was, when he started he couldnt pull that off back then, but that level of strength should be expected for middle tier yonko like luffy, oden, current teach and at least every admiral.
Idk about Luffy vs Big Mom but it seems too early to put Luffy above Kaido. Hear me out: Kaido's already in a weakened state while Luffy had a +1 life bonus due to the Nika Plot device which literally even revived him. Kaido fought and overpowered the Akazaya 9, Zoro, Killer, Kidd, Law, Yamato, and even a bite from the Dragon Momo. Most of them being commander level fighters. All the while he lifts an Island with his own DF, which clearly affects his stamina according to Yamato. Luffy fought and lost against him 3x and either got a nap, got rescued and fed by the Heart Pirates (feeding replenishes people in OP much faster), was distracted by the Cp0 Agent, but Luffy should've still lost there due to Gear 4's own stamina issues vs a drawback-less Hybrid Kaido. Gear 5 is literally a New Round for Luffy with his HP back on it's max due to some lore bs. Kaido's already at 30% HP or less at this point. In a 1v1 vs Kaido at 100% right now, I'm pretty sure Luffy's still gonna lose due to Gear 5's own stamina AND even AGING drawback. Kaido's most likely gonna crush Luffy's body beyond repair during this time now that he has the knowledge of how Luffy just keeps coming back up.
For Big Mom, Captain Eusless Midd and Law literally just pushed her off the Island with all their power and stamina. She's even still talking smack against them until the bombs and the long drop underground finally did her in. Imagine if this was the scenario if Onigashima wasn't on the sky and no bombs were underneath. Big Mom's gonna "snu-snu" the crap out of Midd and Law.
@@mstr293 he already talked about it lmao: czcams.com/video/Amv28YwdgkE/video.html Your argument is so disingenuous, it's so sad 😭😭😭😭 "30% HP" that's baseless headcanon. You can not quantify how much health he lost. It could very simply be 95% HP lol. So u would have to prove that. "Luffy regaining his health to max" is literally disproven in ch 1045 where Luffy says he is all tuckered out because he was dying before this. Lmao
Gear 5 wasn't Luffy at max, Momo said constantly Luffy was weaker. Gear 5 was just him learning to coat himself in CoC and expressing the true nature of his DF instead of just using it offensively. I agree Kaido is stronger and if they were to have a 1v1 no distractions and no surprises, Kaido wins high difficulty. Luffy's not even 19 yet though lol, he is probably the most powerful character under 21 that's ever lived in all fairness.
@@fdouglas9604 here we go when that’s already been debunked… you’re slow if you think attacks like misery can compete with flaming dragon his drunken modes and kaidos haki. Big moms strongest attacks couldn’t even defeat kid and law that have no durability feats at all. Yet they pose ANY threat to kaido who’s the most durable in the entire verse? 😂😂😂 kaido and big mom clashed but it’s obvious they weren’t trying to kill eachother , kaido even cried when he found out big mom died yet you think he was going serious against her.. didn’t use any of his strongest forms or his future sight, none of that 😂😂😂 not to mention both came out unhurt from their “fight” and actually even made an alliance immediately after lmaooo
@@Sociallybeast01 first of what debunk lol a fight is a fight. It wasnt no sparring match lol. It's no different from the garpvsroger shanksvsmihawk clashes. And remember big mom was also known to have extremely thick skin not just kaido so they don't damage as easy. Also apparently it's said by oda that they were trying to kill each other its just they decided to be smart and work together. Although I do believe kaido is stronger than big mom, big mom ain't slouch if you taking 3 days to fight the bitch. Big mom was unusually strong growing up. You saying I'm slow but I find it funny how people forget fighting is not all power lol . Kidd and law have go chemistry. Law is a superior strategist with a broken fruit and kidd is fast at following that strategy. Big mom didn't lose by being overpowered .....she lost cause she got thrown off the island ....again
shanks is probably faster with his speed combined with future sight. but sanji has speed feats where he basically vanishes. shanks speed feat was just him lunging a crazy long distance for the most part
@@avalac7412 Sanji was literally dodging katakuri in whole cake and while in base. Sanji is way stronger than he was now so just imagine how great his reflexes are now.
@@Sociallybeast01 i know sanji's main thing is speed he's currently faster based off feats and eos he might be the fastest character if he surpasses kizaru(fastest character in the verse) and maybe luffy( who will probably refine his snake man/gear 5th forms to crazier lengths just his power is basically limited by his imaginaton.
Lol I just thought about something. Why did oden's journal hype up these three pirates for kid to go down right after wano!? And law don't look any better right now. 😂😂
3:45 hold up…. Luffy defeated Kaido because of his awakened god (literally) devil fruit. He won because of gear 5. Not at all because because his Haki was better. If his Haki being stronger was supposed to be the deciding factor than Oda did a terrible job communicating that since he gave him an instantly iconic transformation tied to his devil fruit which appeared to do 99% of the work
Bruv go read the whole gear 5 chapters again when luffy went in gear 5 his haki was blasting everywhere because he had more will to fight than kaido did that's what made the turning point in the battle luffys haki became stronger and gear 5 was taking no damage from kaido and each of luffys attacks was coated by conquerors haki in gear 5 and when this happened it became pretty obvious that luffys haki has gotten stronger than kaido because each of his hit was doing more damage to kaido than he did previously which again proves the point that haki is only as strong as your will is it was made clear that the strongest thing luffys has is not just his df but his will to go on fighting which is why he awakened at the end of the fight luffys haki was stronger than an awakened flaming kaido we all need to stop downplaying luffy he may not have a perfect combat style but his haki and df are busted and do not forget the only reason luffy has a 3bill bounty is because govt is trying to hide him under law and kid but he easily deserves a bounty of 4 bill
@@ialwayscom3back242 I never said said his Haki wasn’t blasting. It may have even gotten stronger indeed but when you say “it became obvious Luffy’s Haki has gotten stronger because each punch did more damage than before….” Before what? Before he turned gear 5?? That’s a devil fruit transformation. Not Haki. Luffy got two major power ups in the fight against Kaido. One was he learned advanced conquerors haki. And it certainly helped him a lot and he absolutely did more damage and was more durable after. But….. he was still losing. It was only after he got a second power up, this time to his devil fruit, that he suddenly was winning: Like I said before, if the writer (Oda) wanted to emphasize that having stronger Haki was why Luffy won, he wouldn’t have given Luffy his most powerful devil fruit upgrade in the entire series. In fact THE most powerful devil fruit upgrade in the entire series… The advanced conquers Haki was also necessary; absolutely. But the devil fruit awakening into gear 5 was the dues ex that saved the day. None of this is downplaying Luffy. I have a hard time believing he’s not the strongest character in the series right now (other than maybe shanks….) But my whole point (and the reason I made the comment you replied to) was because the guy said Haki won the battle when it was a devil fruit moment that stole the show by far. Heck ask any random person what the most important or iconic part of Wano is and they’re not going to be like “Luffy getting advanced conquerors Haki” No, they’re going to say “Gear 5”
@@natman2939 i get exactly what you're saying but if you remember luffy was NOT loosing when he fell 2 time it was because of cp0 the match was of equals kaido in hybrid form with coc and luffy in gear 4 with coc that was the moment of equality between both and yea it was interrupted by cp0 and you are also correct that gear 5 was a major df boost contributing to luffys victory but it wasn't really that sudden as of before it was kaido and luffy fighting as equal but that luffy got his df awakening boost which somehow also increased his haki idk how but it did and then kaido uses his awakened maga dragon form clashes with luffys strongest attack and looses
@@ialwayscom3back242 what makes you think gear 5 increased his Haki? Just the visuals of Haki being around him or something else? Cause the increased strength in general can be just part of the form (same as gear 4 also made him stronger. And gear 2.) I’m not sure how you a new DF form and think “wow he’s haki is way stronger” Also remind me what cp0 means.
Luffy has every version of advanced haki abilities plus the most ridiculous power in the world. No way they can face Luffy. Law himself was dropped by a single Thunder Bagua by Kaido.
Just a nitpick, you keep pushing this idea that King's Haki Infusion makes you faster. That doesn't even make sense. Your only example of this idea is that Luffy dodged Thunder Bagua after he got King's Haki Infusion. However, as you said yourself, he was using both future sight (which essentially increases his reaction time) AND Gear 2 which increases his speed, so ofc he'd be able to finally fully dodge it. Could you explain how exactly using King's Haki increases your speed? You were able to explain why it makes sense that it ups your defence the same way it ups your offence, similarly to what Armament does. How would that work with speed?
Hybrid form and Drunk style is a greater amp than Gear 2. Luffy is using future sight in both instances so that’s a constant. There are other examples I can go to like base Luffy in 1010 casually reacting to Hybrid Kaido right after learning coating and Luffy was never moving that fast before so until there’s enough to show the contrary, it’s valid.
@@zagessj Kaido was just pacing himself. Noone but luffy fought kaido at true speed. Same thing with katakuri. Luffy dodging in base but gets hit in gear 4th snake man with better future sight. It doest matter how but they both werent moving at full speed. I however dont think Coc increases speed thats not true and is a big assumption no matter how you spin it. For future references dont make this a part of scaling because it diminishes your claim
Kidd coulda been OP like the magneto of the one piece universe but nah, he’s mostly big metal arm and big metal rail gun. Luffy beats them both because he really ate the toon toon fruit and he is actually a reality bending, unstoppable looney tunes man.
Bruh first to fight luffy law and kid want to defeat straw hats.. Which is literaly not possible for their crew and them 😅 all the strawhats are powerful and some of them on admirals lvl.. How could theur crew possibly imagine to defeat them
Advanced conquerors really sounds like just a Super Sayian version of armament Haki when you describe it as just making you faster, stronger; and durable How the heck this ties into an ability that originally just knocked people out from a distance makes no sense
How is he being walked too much? Luffy has every version of advanced haki. Kid & Law does not. Luffy has awakening which is the most ridiculous power in the world. His limit is only his imagination. He grabbed lightning. Fist the size of an island. G5 Luffy hits so hard Kaido always got knocked down. Kaido didn't even know how to deal with it because it gave Luffy the freedom to do whatever.
@@davidortiz3094 wanked is the word I meant to use...and yea luffy win this fight...I just wouldn't objectively put him above kaido yet... the fight was purely one on one the whole time and the fight was still close till the end of it
The supernova (more specifically kid and law) was able to take attacks from big mom and hybrid kaido, and then shanks pulls up and one shots one of them. I think shanks is stronger than kaido by a bit, not by a lot but its a high-diff match. And remember who stopped Kaido from going to marineford. Shanks>>Kaido. So that means Shanks>>Luffy. Luffy isn't shanks tier yet.
Since we don't know how shanks stopped kaido, Its not fair to assume that Kaido was weaker/afraid of shanks and so was threatened by shanks meaning Shanks>>Kaido. It's more complicated, as Kaido was not really trying? In fact he never tried to dodge any of their attacks(except Zorro) I think he could've one shot them as well. But he didn't want to or maybe it's the weapon he uses? But still I think Shanks is stronger than kaido but not by a huge margin, we need more feats tbh so idk, but Luffy is top tier in Kaido's eyes(meaning he's close to being at shanks' level), as he is part of the people who could defeat him.
@@magicgeezy that was a very sarcastic question, definitely not genuine especially considering he’s obviously using references FROM the manga in this video.
Damned punk is a rail gun, not a metal rod. Also Luffy didn't surpass kaido.. yes he defeated him, but 1v1, kaido is fucking Luffy up. Everything else is on point
I don’t know about that. According to kaido: Base luffy(with one use of gear3 I think)>big mom(without her devil fruit) and big mom(from the kid and law fight).
People like this just make my head hurt because they got other people actually believe in this and the logical easily be debunked big mama was using her full power she's just very weak🤦🏾♂️
@@rodrickjeremiah4416 he said she could actually be going out, and she’s actually very weak. But he thought it was more likely that she didn’t use conquerors haki.
Just after 11:15 YT cut a bit of video but essentially what I was saying was my conclusion which in a 1vs1 Law and Kid don’t even stack up to G2+3 and in a 1 vs 2 Luffy still wins comfortably.
Base Luffy slams Law and Kid individually as well. Luffy did not use G2 until after Kaido acknowledged him.
He just used one G3 punch once. He was swapping hands in base
And also split the sky in base
Only problem with this idea is saying luffy is on par with shanks
If luffy was put in kidd position he is still getting one shot
@@Sleepydude1 He absolutely isn’t. Thunder Bagua stopped 1shotting luffy as soon as he learned ACOC.
@@JustinDanielsStar True, however what if Shank's has less integrity within his durability and makes up for it with his AP
@@elzyofficial9087 I don’t think there’s anyone in one piece that can one shot Luffy except for certain unknowns like Imu or Rocks
kid was complaining about luffy being a yonko and instead of him 😂😂😂
Im glad shanks took out the trash
@@xebec995 nahhh 💀
@@xebec995 useless captain midd
And now he gets to complain about Luffy being alive instead of him.
@@darkstriker00 too brutal bro
I feel like for big mom not using her conquerors is partly due to stamina reasons and since she definitely did go all out it’s possible that she can’t use both conquerors coating and her giant form at the same time meaning it’s likely stronger than conquerors coating, besides that Kidd and law did tank a lot of devil fruit attacks which on onigashima were infused with conquerors in a couple instances, aswell as law tanking multiple consecutive punches from giant form big mom with haki so conquerors or not that’s still very impressive
Lol makes no sense . Meanwhile shanks uses Haki to one shot kidd, big mom couldve done the same because she has the same level of Haki and has adv Haki …. why would her giant form be stronger than that?
😂 the headcannon is insane here. More like Oda dosent give a fuck
@@Sociallybeast01 first of all we all know Big Mom’s haki is not on Shanks’s level. He’s argubly the strongest haki used in the series and second, Kidd wasn’t on guard nor ready for a full powered adv CoC haki attack, the only reason him and Law fr beat Bm was by out smarting her. She dominated them for the most part
@@cameronstevens2053 um yes it is. No one said It was stronger lmfao. It’s comparable though , all yonko have comparable Haki. If she didn’t she would have never split the sky against kaido 🤦🏿♂️ YES he has better Haki but her Haki is definitely YONKO level as having that level of Haki is literally required to be a yonko.
@@cameronstevens2053 and no , what you mean to say is he blitzed kid. You can’t seriously sit here and say a kidd that was ready to obliterate part of shanks fleet was NOT prepared to actually fight shanks. What, he thought shanks would underestimate him even though last time they took his arm? Dude you make no sense.
Beat content around nothing but facts were spoken here 💯 it’s crazy how inflated law and kidd’s strength really was, bigmom didn’t use advanced conquoers, have zues in here possession etc.. she allowed them to get free hits in they only succeeded in knocking her off the island and the nukes did the rest of the damage to her.
Glad she got the respect she deserves
as for luffy though against both law and Kidd it would be over kill once he uses gear 5th 😂
You know ball 🙏
They did break her bones and stabbed her straight through a lot of internal damage
To be heard I’ve been trying to tell people in the OP community Kidd is like a glass canon build, sure he could wipe out or severely damage shanks or people if he hits them directly with his full attack & they don’t have enough protection like natural devil fruit durability + advanced conquerors coating like Kaido & Luffy both have
If anyone feels like Luffy is weaker than Kaido, Read This:
The Luffy that lost to Kaido 4 times is not the same Luffy now, those situations aren't happening. Those moments are irrelevant. If Luffy and Kaido fight, it will end with Bajrang Gun and Flaming Drum Dragon again, Luffy's Haki is stronger than Kaidos now. Thats why he won that final clash. Luffy and Kaido are equal and Im willing to say it goes either way but Luffy is not getting knocked out or dying before he tries Bajrang Gun again or something of similar power.
Luffy can fight so much with Kaido before G5 and G5 is needed when Kaido goes Full Power, so really think about how the fight is going to play out now. Imagine the fight right before G5 and after, but from the beginning when both are healthy, it will be insane.
At the end of the fight Luffy has an attack that's better than Kaido can ever do.
SO there is only 2 ways Kaido can win:
A: Kaido doesn't allow Luffy to use Bajrang Gun or whatever equivalent Attack Luffy pulls out somehow.
B: Kaido tanks Bajrang Gun or equivalent Attack.
Personally I think these are unlikely too happen.
But not impossible so atm I will say Luffy and Kaido are equal now. and at worse its 50/50.
So I think it is reasonable to say Luffy Low-Mid Difs Kid and Law together. especially in Gear 5.
@@jamesfoxsmithjimbe fought ace for 5 days, kuzan vs akainu lasted 1 week, roger vs wb 3 days and you are saying kaido was tired because he beat the scabbards in 2 chapters ?
@@jamesfoxsmithFr
Finally someone with a brain, Kaido is an absolute powerhouse and there is no doubt about that but Luffy has surpassed him, the arguments people use to say Kaido is stronger often rely on headcanon or kaido being "exhausted" but Luffy has almost no stamina left during their final fight too, he literally had to force himself back into gear 5 when he already reached his limit.
Kaido was clearly fighting at full strength against Luffy in gear 5, even if he couldn't keep up that power level much longer neither could Luffy (and it's kinda dumb to assume Kaido was reaching his stamina limit because the guy is stated to be capable of fighting yonko level opponens for days on end so how is the Onigashima raid that lasted a few hours with no fighters other than Luffy nearing that level worse than fighting someone like big mom for days), Luffy literally blitzed kaido several times in gear 5 and overpowered him in their final haki clash, not to mention kaido managed to hit Luffy multiple times with conqueror's haki coated attacks and they did practically nothing while base Luffy was dealing good damage to hybrid kaido with conqueror's haki coating attacks, this kinda proves gear 5 makes his durability better than hybrid kaido (except against cutting attacks). Tbf his durability is not really comparable to kaido outside of gear 5 but that's besides the point, if Luffy is capable of chipping away at Kaido with regular gear 5 attacks and finishing him off with an all out attack in gear 5 but taking conqueror's coating attacks with no consequence how does Kaido compete with that even assuming they both have all their stamina, only hope kaido has is Luffy spends too long playing around in gear 5 and tires himself out.
10:36 this puts luffy above big mom as well. Kaido clearly respect him more than big mom at this point
and thank you for speaking facts. U dropped this 👑
Preciate it 🤝
@@zagessjLuffy did beat Kaido's strongest attack, but that was not Kaido's hybrid form. It would have likely been a stalemate if Kaido had used his hybrid form. Also since you speak such facts, how strong do you think Zoro is compared to base Luffy?
Because I believe Luffy would need Gear 4 to push Zoro to use King of Hell
@@nathanwelling8948 headcanon, how would hybrid form match such a massive attack? base luffy slams zoro btw
@@Relax_Rombey Because it has been stated that a zoan hybrid form is stronger than the regular form, and base Luffy does not slam Zoro, the dude took a combined attack from two Yonko for about five seconds, got up and damaged his body even more by moving around, overwhelmed a SOMEWHAT serious Kaido, scarred him, and then got even stronger in his fight with King, then proceeded to absolutely destroy King, who is no slouch when it comes to endurance and damage output. In fact in my opinion King would be Yonko level if he had upped his endurance and had stronger haki.
Yeah Luffy was matching Kaido but it's entirely possible that Zoro would have been able to do the same, just for a shorter period of time. But against Luffy Zoro would be able to put far more pressure and do far more damage because Zoro wouldn't need King of Hell to do massive damage to Luffy. Zoro would be able to outlast Bound Man and possibly even overpower it, and Snake Man doesn't have enough power to do massive damage to Zoro.
Luffy has the god fruit, law has the ultimate devil fruit, and kid has a fruit that manipulates trash. Oda did kidd dirty. 😂
Luffy: GOMU GOMU NO..
Kidd: *f*cking dies*
Big mom was cocky and she didn't take long and kids seriously so she never used her full power
I completely agree. Not only does Luffy also have his awakening to match Kidd and Law's awakening, but he also has conquerors haki infusion mastered to a level even higher than Kaido's conquerors haki infusion. Unlike the two of them, Luffy's trump card is his conquerors haki, not his awakening, further reinforcing how easily Luffy wins since conquerors haki is the pinnacle of power.
Actually G5 (Awakening) is what gave Luffy the win. Advanced Conquerers was not enough to take down Kaido. That's obvious af.
@@davidortiz3094 it was both, not only one
@@xdj_doritox6200 it was both but his Conquerors haki was definitely not above Kaido’s
@@davidortiz3094 yeah the awakening too op but the haki comes in handy too
@@davidortiz3094 Awakening was the cherry on top, but conquerors was his biggest buff. It took him from not being able to face Kaido alone, to being able to put up a fight on his own. In comparison, Gear 5 gave just enough of an edge to barely beat Kaido.
The real factor here is Law’s Devil Fruit. The ability to bypass your defenses and hurt you from the inside is crazy considering how ridiculous a tank Big Mom is.
If Luffy truly uses Future Sight the way he should be using it, he should take it.
Remember luffy is dumb but inside the fight my man is beast so even if doesnt use that his advanced obv would tell allert him
Bro Luffy's battle iq is insane. I'm sure he can handle it.
Another thing! Law said that with enough haki you cancel the effects of others devil fruits on you. Had Big mom used her full haki potential she could have potentially cancel out Law and Kid's attacks
I think that only applies to things that change you, not just effect you. Like I don’t think haki can stop the effects of Magellan’s fruit from poisoning you, but haki can definitely stop the taming fruit we saw in 1080
It only cancel effects not attacks
Why not Luffy more stronger than kid and law combined he has all three types of advanced haki also the strongest most powerful devil fruit of all time history
It has not been called the most powerful devil fruit, it has been called the most ridiculous power. It is very powerful but it's not the most powerful, merely one of the most broken.
@@nathanwelling8948 name a better df
@@Relax_Rombey Law's fruit, Blackbeard's, Akainu's, Kizaru's.
@@nathanwelling8948 Just imagine this... what if Luffy can make the ground stretch to be more rubbery and then coat it with armament...can you imagine how broken that is? If he can affect his surroundings(people) so they become rubber can he also use haki on them?
@@niggawthisthat00 Well he did make the ground stretch in his fight against Lucci, but he can only do that in Gear 5. And we already saw Luffy stretch Kaido but it practically did zero damage. And about him using his haki on them, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Just because Luffy overwhelmed Kaido’s Haki in their final clash doesn’t necessarily mean Luffy’s Haki is stronger. Kaido had been running the gauntlet all night, the man was surely exhausted by that point. Meanwhile Luffy had multiple breaks and a nice meal halfway through their battle.
Kaido was lifting the island and Yamato noted his stamina was going down
@@jocoolshow exactly tho, during the night Luffy got breaks and food meanwhile Kaido had to hold up an island all night while fighting a bunch of people.
So if Luffy did overwhelm Kaido’s haki it was only because they had been lessening it all night before the final attack.
That excuse does not work as he was in worse shape than Kaido when he beat him.
Luffy was om his deathbed when he beat Kaido.
Chapter 1036, 1037, 1042 and 1045 make it clear.
Read those chapters, see what kaido and luffy state in 1045.
See how Base Luffy was taking hits in chapter 1036, 1037 and compate it.
@@darrenraphael Ehhh not necessarily.. Luffy got healed and help from others. Kaido didn't. Let's not forget Kaido even said Luffy's haki was bad
@@ilikechicken5524Then the CP0 agent comes and literally causes Luffy to die lol. Alcohol is to Kaido what meat is to Luffy, that nigga got drunk in the middle of their fight.
Actually I personally think Coq haki can be used in diffrent ways bigmom just uses hers to increase her durability
Hear me out
If u think about it
Why is it when u break mother caramels picture bigmom starts crying and can get hurt
Its cause her will is broken
Haki is the manifestation of will
If Ur weak-willed u can't utilize Coq haki
That's why in that specific moment she can be hurt by even a random paper cut her Coq haki is down and her skin is like everyone else's
So on wano each time she had Coq haki surrounding her body like in 2:08 it's an indication to her using her Coq haki to amplify her defences
I’ve also considered thing perspective before but her natural defence could be armament for all we know Oda never delved into it so it’s hard to say for sure
Coq haki
@@zagessj no problem
Coq haki is about strong or weak will. It's about kingly ambitions. Sanji is not a weak willed character, neither is Vegapunk, or Mihawk.
@@JT-km6th lol sanji doesn't have the will to hit women that's why his armament haki didn't activate when Maria was punching his face as he begged Robin to save him
He literally said it
Haki is literally will power
Let’s just be realistic, Kaido and Big Mom are relatively equal in power, a weakened Law and Kid took down Big Mom, and we saw Big Mom used acoc since 1024, so this was a full power Big Mom. Law and Kid had an equal effort in taking down Big Mom, maybe Law more so, but it is what it is.
Y’all need to stop taking Oda for an idiot, BM uses acoc on Page One but in a fight where she’s felt more pain than any fight in the last 40 years, she would use her lifespan before advconquerors haki? It should be self explanatory that Big Mom was 100% against them. Based on the narrative shown to us, Law and Kid in Wano were more than half a yonko in terms of strength.
The only way Luffy wins, is if he sustains G5 for pretty much the entire fight, otherwise he won’t beat them both at once, Oda goes out of his way to show us that they’re individually comparable in some way or the other.
💀 bro if u think kaido and bm are “relatively equal” in strength u need to reevaluate their feats kaido beats bm in every combat category by tiers of strength lol
@@whatthatbout4629 All yonkos are relative in power sir. If they weren’t the would lose their territory. Splitting the sky is also another thing that confirms this. How they fight and their matchups have nothing to do with how powerful they are on the whole. Bm is just and idiot but if she wasn’t she’d be right next to kaido and shanks.
Lmao big mom was ass compared to kaido
@@crashtv677 she clashed evenly with Kaido for 3 days 🤡🤡🤓🤓
@@whatthatbout4629 I don’t think Oda agrees with you my friend
Would Law’s Shock Wille even hurt Luffy that much? Because his rubber body would substantially weaken the effects of an internal shockwave.
Luffy can turn the sword into rubber too. He turn Kaido who has the highest defense in One Piece into rubber
How do you feel about Luffy not using CoC at Egghead? Oda is now nerfing Luffy the way he nerfed BM.
I’m sure Luffy will use it against the Seraphim Oda is just deliberately dragging it for the plot imo
I think its cause Luffy isn't fighting seriously..Do you remember when people hyped mid lucci 💀 Luffy used zero haki and was still working lucci. In fact he wasn't taking it seriously at all and knocked him out. So far I dont think Luffy sees anyone strong enough to go all out against as he did with Kaido. It's not a Life or Death atm(In Luffy's eyes)
@@niggawthisthat00 but he would use G5 before acoc?
He didn't nerf Luffy at all. Luffy just isn't using it. Haki isn't unlimited. That's what people tend to forget & I'm sure Luffy knows he can beat them.
@@JK_073 He used G5 but didn't use advanced haki like he did against Kaido. If he did, Lucci would be seriously injured.
Zoro vs big mom now that’s an interesting debate
Also Kid and Law(individually)
It’s literally not even close lmao, I don’t think I need to tell you why Big Mom slaps Zoro with no diff
@@JK_073 What’s ur evidence? I’ll give mine. Zoro on the roof was already blitzing big mom and making her tell kaido to dodge. He blocked the hakai. He scarred Kaido which is something oden was able to do with his 2nd strongest attack. Oden had coating and mastered enma and was in kaidos top 5. Big mom wasn’t. We know that he has fought all the guys in his top 5 or at least seen fight. He fought big mom and she did not make the list. Oden>big mom. Zoro’s strongest attack pre coating was able to replicate odens best feat while on deaths door. Zoro then got a significant power up with coating. Luffy went from g4 not doing anything to base doing something. Thats more than a g4 stronger. So zoro got more than a g4 stronger or a little less. Yamato showed better feats than 1010 Luffy and then g2,3 luffy was shown to be a good bit ahead of her. Then he went g4. Zoro on the roof was equal or stronger than g4 luffy. Then they both get coating albeit luffys better. That g4 luffy gives full power kaido a good fight. He said previously that g2,3 luffy was the toughest fight he had in a while which would include big mom. That means that big mom without 2 homies was weaker than luffy without gear 4. Now ask yourself if g4 or zeus and prometheus is a bigger boost. Zoros biggest problem in wano was stamina and control over enma. Given the precedent of kid and law gaining mastery over their awakenings after wano it is not a stretch to say that zoros coating has reached the level of g4 luffys when he fought kaido. He will have also gotten better control over enma. The second there is a statement of zoro mastering enma it's over. Zoro could scar kaido when he was far weaker. Kaido is more durable than big mom. Now imagine a current zoro KOH ashura with a better coating and enma. Thats messing big mom up if not outright killing her. His biggest hole is observation and big mom is a slow immoblie fatty. He may not have an outright better argument now but it should not be dismissed. If he shows mastery over enma and coating he is easily on odens level who is on kaidos level who is and shanks level. Shanks one shot that guy that gave big mom trouble (no coating big mom). food for thought
Big Mom beats Zoro but Zoro leaves some nasty scars, more than the 1 he left Kaido.
@@jadenbbbruh5227 spit zoros haki definitely bloomed to be on g4 luffy level rn
@@JK_073 Get the hell outta here with that bs. Zoro has advanced conquerers which automatically puts him in the top tier list. Zoro would slice & dice all her homies. Even her sword.
People don’t pay enough attention to Kaido’s flashback with King, where he states the one to defeat him will be Joyboy. Kaido and Shanks clashed before Marineford, yet Shanks is not Joyboy. Not making an argument that Luffy is stronger than Shanks, but it definitely supports the argument that he is on that level
Great video!
2:10 big mom always uses advance conquerors, the only time we have seen her not use it is when mama caramels picture was destroyed. also big mom and kaido use adv conq differently since big mok uses it for durability and kaido uses it more offensively
It really doesn't make much of a difference, if you remember that none of kid or law's attacks could damage kaido to a big extent as they were all too shallow. I mean you can argue that their awakening made them stronger, but Kaido still has more durability than big mom even though she uses advanced conquerors(defensively). Luffy still gonna win due to his broke his devil fruit is, not to mention his top tier haki besides big mom is a bit mediocre, her normal IQ always gets in the way of her battle IQ and overall she just isn't that strong of a fighter. Luffy could've soloed big mom(in a much quicker time and with less injuries), but Law and Kid would have gotten destroyed by kaido.
That's head canon G
Nowhere is this stated or implied
Luffy 1 tap Kid and 2 tap Law since he has felt thunder buaga from Kaido.
@@whatthatbout4629 i’ve always assumed so since without it really kaido considering her as someone strong enough to challenge him wouldn’t make sense
Luffy defiantly should be in the same tier as shanks if luffy used pretty powerful attack he could one shot them individually like kaido slapping law and zoro at the same time
Luffy obviously beats Zoro but it’s not a great matchup for him. It’s been stated many times slashes are his weakness so swords, especially ones coated in ACoC are very lethal against him compared to other attacks he casually tanks. He’d have to take care of Zoro quickly without letting him get any clean hits.
@@dex7891 But luckily his devil fruit allows him to stretch, not only his body but his surroundings, and depending on how op that is, he could negate slashes by simply stretching the ground or an object nearby. Basically he can fight freely so who knows
@@dex7891 Doesn't guarantee a win though. Luffy offensive power is no joke. Dude can make a punch the size of an island coated in conquerers & advanced armament haki. Divine Departure ain't beating that.
@@dex7891 That's exactly why Shanks fights as he is, being somewhat of a swordsman. Imagine Kaido having a sword, Luffy would have died several times. Kaido really was looking for a fun brawl, no wonder he was merciful to the upstarts.
@@davidortiz3094 not beating it but it can definitely match it, you need to understand the difference between AP and DC, that’s like saying Raigo>Kamusari just because Raigo wipes out an island and Kamusari doesn’t
and Kidd fans where out here wilding saying that if luffy was in kids position (fighting shanks) he would also get low diffed in reality I’d say shanks wins against luffy but it’s high diff, imo I could see luffy clashing with shanks’s kamusari
I agree, I feel like even if Law is a little stronger than Kid, the gap between them isn’t astronomical as some people think, because going by the manga Law and Kid needed each other in that fight, either to distract Big Mom or to throw a follow up attack, Law’s shockwaves were powerful but not enough to win the fight, Kid needed to hit her with a follow up attack of blunt force to do any lasting damage, also Law had abilities that completely counteracted Big Mom’s abilities, like silence, and shock willie, negated her use of homies and her durability, and personally I find it more impressive Kid was able to do any damage to Big Mom even with Law’s help not having internal damaging abilities like Law or Luffy, in the anime it makes it seem that Law and Kid are both using their own ways of hurting Big Mom rather than them attacking her internally then externally, so I don’t know why people think Kid is that much weaker than Law, if Law didn’t have his specific devil fruit that counters Big Mom’s strengths both Kid and Law would have been screwed, like Luffy’s fight with Eneru
Nah un any fight, Law would always be much stronger than Kid...
It's not close
Luffy have been built up to rival the power of Shanks and Blackbeard. Kid and Law ain't doing shit to him.
This is a good video.
preachh
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BM's CoC haki might just not be on the same level as her devil fruit powers.
Yes, Kaido states that haki transcends all and Luffy, same with Zoro, started using CoC infusion pretty easily In Wano, but there are outliers such as Enma pulling out a lot of haki from Zoro and Luffy learning CoC infusion via ACoA technique aka ''flow'', Kaido and BM haven't shown anything like that in Wano and it might be harder for them to use CoC haki than compared to Luffy, but BM might have been more dependent on her DF and she probably trained more with her DF than with her haki, whilst Kaido could have done the opposite. This would explain, why BM does not use CoC infusion vs Law and Kidd, plus she might not even be able to infuse her homies' attacks with CoC, which would just leave her depending on CoC only in melee fight, Law and Kidd however were keeping a good distance from BM.
The only time I can criticize of BM not using CoC infusion, is when she punched Law 13 times with just pure armament, but then again BM gets flustered quite easily and has an IQ of a worm, so she probably just fell under pressure at that point in time and did not realize she could just beat law easily, then and there.
Law’s sword is clashing against BB’s quake bubbles, the same BB that beat Marco, the same Marco that 2v1 King & Queen. Law obviously got stronger & is taking note of haki being a key.
@@kane3j336 BB beat Marco and Marco was stalling suppressed King and Queen.
King gets massively upscaled after that fight.
Marco gets vlitzed by BM right after their clash, Marco was not off guard and had an upperhand after winning the clash, so there is no real excuse for him. Zoro performs way better against BM that Marco, in terms of speed. Zoro outpaces BM 2 times and one time catches her off guard. BM, however, never outpaces Zoro and can only hit him by catching him off guard, so rooftop Zoro's speed scales relatively above BM's who scales over Marco. King(f on) is relatively faster than that rooftop Zoro, so the scaling in speed goes like this.
King(f on) >~ Rooftop Zoro >~ BM > Marco.
In AP and Dura King scales way higher than Marco.
Marco ain't over King in like almost to no stats, so what is ur point with BB?
Law had to use his awakened shock wille vs BB's normal Gura punch, that ain't much of a feat for Law.
Imagine if Zoro had to use his CoC coating against Luffy's Red Roc(without CoC coating), a fodder attack for Luffy. That would not be a feat for Zoro.
@@hitetsu9180 Zoro went full power on the rooftop & had help, Zoro isn’t 1v1ing BM law teleported to tag his hits, he held the defense for sure, Zoro did surpass Marco but that only currently.
@@kane3j336 First of all, Zoro was not going all out vs BM, as he still had Ashura, BM however was using her full speed and u can't really debunk that. Her amp vs Law amd Kidd is not even some kind of mode, she just sacrificed 5 years flat for her life and we don't even know if it amps speed.
Either way, my scaling works nicely regarding to Marco, stop wanking that guy up lmao.
@@hitetsu9180 wanking who?
Luffy has better durability feats because people forget hes made of rubber to that makes his durability even stronger
Pure facts and W 🔥🔥🔥🔥
People should put more respect on Luffy's name.
Blackbeard and Shanks are his real rivals in terms of power right now. Not Law and Kid
do u still think, kaido>shanks after 1079?
@@Relax_Rombey yes. I can see arguments for Shanks now though
@@Underworldwarrior1 kidd fought against kaido for a good while. Shanks one shot him neg diff and it wasn't even his strongest move by common sense. Shanks wins and it's not a close fight. Luffy doesn't beat shanks yet either. There's no point in putting more respect on his name if people seriously think that he has surpassed kaido despite kaido having 70 different handicaps in the fight when he was fighting gear 5.
Law just 1v5'd the blackbeard pirates and dipped, he needs a better crew😂😂
@@Relax_Rombey Yes Kaido > Shanks. He's stated on multiple occasions to be the strongest. Kaido can literally do what Shanks did as well, he'd be able to do more by just going into dragon and blasting the ship instead of the giants doing it.
Really it seems Big Mom only ever used Advanced Coc for defense.. for her Iron Balloon body. some moments imply that, but other than Page One she isn't using it for attacking for some reason, idk if she is better at using it for defense or what.
It would be crazy if a person could train all the way up to adv conq and not know how to use it proficiently . You can t easily do that lol. It would be insanity, especially being as old and having it for as long as big mom did
@@Sociallybeast01 it's big mom tho, she's a unpredictable powerhouse
@@star-rock6466 in the worst way possible lol
You guys hype up conquerors coating too much. It's just there for durability negation. Heck, the fact that Big Mom is equal to Kaido with just her natural power and devil fruit is super impressive
It’s not even durability negation, that’s Advanced Armament. It’s just an AP amp, but due to Luffy and Zoro haki blooming, people think it’s an overall stat amp
12:20-12:35 thank you. You’re hands down the smartest CZcamsr for acknowledging this. Shanks fanboys think he’s the strongest character in the series and Luffy is still far away from Shanks in terms of power 😂
Its because Kid and Law are NOT THAT GOOD people wanna say they are admirals but they are not close yet, first commander level suits them way more given their stats
Luffy doesnt scale above Kaido yet. Crazy how you think he does
He kinda does though
He literally killed him lmao
Keep living in denial lil bro.
He already made a video about it
@@jorgesanabria6484 Kaido was carrying Onigishima, was fighting WAYYY longer without breaks and Luffy got to rest. Multiple times. Full Power Kaido 1v1 Full power Luffy is a Kaido win.
@@stoooart flame clouds carrying onigashima . The whole point of the fight was luffy surpassing kaido and big mom
luffy vs shanks is not gonna be a serious fight, shanks is prolly gonna laugh as much as luffy when he uses g5. well its gonna be serious and not serious at the same time if you know what i mean i guess
BB will kill Shanks in 1v1 then Luffy will surpass Shanks by beating BB
@@Smd249 this is not gonna happen simply because we are waiting for 25 years for this luffy vs shanks shit. 25 years.
@@Smd249Luffy already surpassed Shanks by surpassing Kaido
I don’t think people realise how much help Luffy got to “defeat” kaido?
At the roof top everyone attacked Kaido damaging him significantly, despite having to pour his power into having to hold the island and drag it to his destination whilst fighting and also bearing in mind Luffy got help from others (Kid, Law, Killer , and Zoro) the strongest warriors excluding Marco and Sanji
A pure 1v1 Luffy loses in my opinion
The Luffy that lost to Kaido 4 times is not the same Luffy now, those situations aren't happening. Those moments are irrelevant. If Luffy and Kaido fight, it will end with Bajrang Gun and Flaming Drum Dragon again, Luffy's Haki is stronger than Kaidos now. Thats why he won that final clash. Luffy and Kaido are equal and Im willing to say it goes either way but Luffy is not getting knocked out or dying before he tries Bajrang Gun again or something of similar power.
Luffy can fight so much with Kaido before G5 and G5 is needed when Kaido goes Full Power, so really think about how the fight is going to play out now. Imagine the fight right before G5 and after, but from the beginning when both are healthy, it will be insane.
At the end of the fight Luffy has an attack that's better than Kaido can ever do.
@@MementoDespair thank you. Dont get how this is hard to understand
Luffy was equally panting like Kaido was and was still clashing with Hybrid Kaido evenly
@@MementoDespair luffy still got helped A LOT and that can't be ignored
@@MementoDespair man bajaring gun isn't that big off a trump card kaido could have cut off luffys hand and dodged bajaring gun, kaido DID speed blitz snakeman with ease. All the damage kaido took was pointless and healed from other fighters but his endurance and stamina grew lesser and lesser in time, probably the reason kaido fainted from bajaring gun.
9:37 you don't need observation haki to see how dirty my mind is.😅
come on dawg 😭
She doesn't stack up?? Her endurance was one of the most impressive things we've seen to date. Kaido's statement about haki wasn't him saying that haki > devil fruit, it was him saying that a strong will is what it takes to achieve your dreams, he directly references Roger, as just because you have a strong devil fruit, it doesn't mean that will grant you a win.
Haki is above devil fruits though. It scales higher and is more necessary than devil fruits.
@@smalltrashman4227 Luffy needed awakening to beat Kaido despite having advanced haki in all 3 types. Kaido needed his DF as well. WB was considered the strongest man because of his DF which could ‘destroy the world’. Big Mom values her DF over haki as she used advanced haki on low tiers like Page One while against Law and Kid, she used more advanced DF techniques. Law’s Awakening does more internal damage per hit than any ACOA + ACOC attack we’ve seen so far. Kaido and Big Mom are relative in overall stats, and Luffy needed an insane amount of ACOA + ACOC along with Gear 5 to do real damage to Kaido while Law’s awakening was able to shatter Big Mom’s bones etc
@@jocoolshow Kaido and Big Mom are relative, but Kaido has much higher stats on all categories. As for the rest of what you said, none of it actually goes against my point. I'm not saying devil fruits don't make you more powerful, I'm just saying Haki scales higher and is way more important overall. Like some of the abilities of devil fruits just get straight up disabled by strong haki. A good way to sum this up is, in the new world, what does a pirate need more, devil fruits or haki? The answer is haki. That's the reason Kaido made the statement he made.
Bro she was literally complaining about having a broken arm meanwhile zoro on the rooftop pre advanced conquers with 30 broken bones was still able to gone on and clash with kaido yall be sucking bm so hard bro
@@whatthatbout4629 damn, people can't complain about having broken bones now ?
I think u r gauging the fight based off what kaido said
Just cause Coq haki is op
Doesn't mean it's necessarily the only way to fight or that it is greater than devil fruits offensively
Bigmom devil fruit abilities could just be as strong as kaidos Coq haki attacks
Garp couldn't use Coq haki
But he was able to contend against roger on an even playing field
Even blackbeard who was a witness to Roger and whitbeards strength and haki still chose a path of devil fruit hunting
Not saying Coq haki isn't strong
But saying bigmoms attacks weren't as impressive as kaidos just cause she didn't coat em in Coq haki
Is not entirely true
Coq haki doesn't guarantee a fight
Luffy isn’t as strong without adv conq as when he’s using it, same for Kaido same for Whitebeard so it’s the same for Big Mom. Of course she’s still strong but she’s not at her best without Adv Conquerors.
Actually it does, as Shanks was able to 1 shot kid and killer using "Divine Departure" He definitely would not have been able to do that had he not used Acoc
@@niggawthisthat00 you literally are not the writer
U say definitely like oda himself said it
Bro no
Shanks who scales to mihawk 2 people who are younko teir unlike kid and law who barely beat and younkos and even then didn't beat her but threw her off the island
Why won't he be strong enough to one tap kid who is weaker than him
Kaido literally killed luffy with 1 hit
Kaido also knocked oden out with 1 hit (mind u at this point oden was stronger than kaido) so why so surprised that kid gets knocked out too
Don't give the credit to haki
Its shanks
Shanks made it what it is not the other way around
@@zagessj that's why I said she prefers using it for defence rather than Offence since her homies are prolly her strongest form of Offence
PLUS luffy isn't as strong because luffys devil fruit isn't an offensive devil fruit without luffys strength
The Nika Nika no MI just gave luffy rubber powers at a base and makes him physically more stronger each time he laughs
Kaidos devil fruit increases his physical stats too
But law and kid straight up have devil fruits that can deal dmg and no physically Stat increase
Law without haki was able to deal internal dmg to kaido that made him bleed just like luffys red hawk
And this was pre awakened law
@@gemslion2966 sure bro
Big mom was actually using hiokoku sovereignty which is haki infused. She used awakening attacks against kid anf law and big mom literally was going all out what . What manga do yall be reading fr?
If Luffy hits Kid with an Over Kong Gun, it's the same as with Shanks.
Luffy can legit beat Kid and Law 2v1 I honestly think Low Dif in gear 5.
So if kidd and law didn’t team up they wouldn’t have beaten her Is what im hearing ? So does big mom have advances conquerors Haki?
This vid made me think about something somewhat related. Does anyone else realise Conqueror's Haki doesn't knock out or really even affect ANY of the Strawhats? Not even Chopper and Nami. 😮
It depends on the Conqueror like Luffy would control his Haki to not overwhelm them
@zage they didn't pass out from Big Mom or Kaido during the raid and the sparks were flying, have we EVER seen any Strawhat knocked out by it? I forget but this series is SO long lol
@@Maybelater1018 its because they weren't close and it wasn't directed to them
1 v 1 I agree Luffy wins. But Luffy consistently showed throughout the Kaido fight that he has a time limit he was always being saved on his time limits. Law and Kid just need to stall out his time limit which they are aware off since they fought together against Kaido. And law and kid have really good stalling abilities.
Luffy is only time limited with gears 4 and 5 but he can fight for long with in base and even gear 2 which he learnt to use efficiently with his future sight he will be able to easily predict laws teleporting and simply just blitz him and with ryou and acoc it would honestly just 1 shot him. Now that leaves kid if luffy uses gear 5 kid literally can't hurt him and he will probably try to use damned punk but luffy will just reflect it back with rubbery ground. Luffy's speed and damage is just way to much for kid and law
Some panels you used were armament not conquerors but I agree with the results none the less
I don't think you can just sleep on Law like that. Assuming Kid can't even push the fight to mid difficulty Sure _(although tbh we haven't seen Luffy fight Shanks yet)._ But Law only has good feats so far.
Damned Punk Need to tatted. That damn Punk rail gun broke the internet more than Luffy being the Sapsap fruit literally I thought luffy awakening was gone be ass and one piece was over!
Luffy is still definitely stronger dont get me wrong. but people keep ignoring the fact that luffy that got his full health bar back numerous times was fighting an already highly damaged kaidou, while kid and law unlike luffy didnt have any breaks and werent healed at any point were fighting full health big mom who didnt get nearly as damaged as kaidou was during the roof battle + powered up, bcs worn out kid and law with their awakening (which drains their already drained stamina) damaged her to the point where she used her life span to power up. And also luffy and kaidous battle was technically a draw, bcs if it werent for the underground lava luffy wouldve still been out for a week and kaidou wouldve also been already regenerated buy that point, whiiile kid and law were still able to fight after big mom got defeated. Luffy is the true yonko between the three of them and easily the strongest but their power is muuch more closer than you think, their bounties are the same for a reason.
Their power is a lot less closer, Kidd got his crew destroyed while Law got handled by Blackbeard handily. Not kid and law has even demonstrated the ability to split the sky or future sight
Their bounties are close because the wg is trying to suppress luffys bounty (they told them to remove the middle initial along with trying to stop the new printed gear 5)
@@bruhxit2678 i know it sounds silly but law and kid by themselves are yonko material they are just in the lower tier alonside bb at the start of his career having a 2.2B bounty having the feat of destroying marco wich is something that law and kid coulve done and before you think that kid and law dont deserve 3B bb himself said that law is definetly worth 3B while fighting him and oda seems to throw the fact that law and kid are worth 3B a lot as well. And the reason to why they got clapped is their crew. Their crew consists of 1 commander and 2-3 tobiroppo members under them and that is not enough for the emperors world, plus law vs bb was a fight that exactly puts law on the yonko tier bcs even though they lost they left bb and his titanic captains visually injured and exhausted after the seemengly long fight and not to mention the crew who got inhalated which means if a 3rd yonko party came it wouldve ment game over for bb. And when it comes to kid he lost bcs he fought against shanks and while law fought teach and left him injured shanks defeated kid "alone" (there were dorry and brogy) well just imagine the scenario if instead of shanks it was big mom the story wouldve gone completely differently, y? Its bcs kid and killer can deal with not only bm but her crew as well, they would lose but they wouldve left them injured and vulnarable to third parties like for eg. an admiral with a group of vice admirals. What i wanted to say is Shanks is something else, it seems that oda potrays him like the second coming of christ, he is a pirate king level threat thats what he wanted to portray with that battle, and in my defense shanks alongside beckman, lucky roux and yasopp alone have the strenght to defeat the straw hats. + spliting the sky is not nescesary to be in the yonko tier, simply through bb being the level that he was, when he started he couldnt pull that off back then, but that level of strength should be expected for middle tier yonko like luffy, oden, current teach and at least every admiral.
Thanks 🙏🏾 for this they have no chance against luffy my boy
Idk about Luffy vs Big Mom but it seems too early to put Luffy above Kaido. Hear me out:
Kaido's already in a weakened state while Luffy had a +1 life bonus due to the Nika Plot device which literally even revived him. Kaido fought and overpowered the Akazaya 9, Zoro, Killer, Kidd, Law, Yamato, and even a bite from the Dragon Momo. Most of them being commander level fighters. All the while he lifts an Island with his own DF, which clearly affects his stamina according to Yamato.
Luffy fought and lost against him 3x and either got a nap, got rescued and fed by the Heart Pirates (feeding replenishes people in OP much faster), was distracted by the Cp0 Agent, but Luffy should've still lost there due to Gear 4's own stamina issues vs a drawback-less Hybrid Kaido.
Gear 5 is literally a New Round for Luffy with his HP back on it's max due to some lore bs. Kaido's already at 30% HP or less at this point. In a 1v1 vs Kaido at 100% right now, I'm pretty sure Luffy's still gonna lose due to Gear 5's own stamina AND even AGING drawback. Kaido's most likely gonna crush Luffy's body beyond repair during this time now that he has the knowledge of how Luffy just keeps coming back up.
For Big Mom, Captain Eusless Midd and Law literally just pushed her off the Island with all their power and stamina. She's even still talking smack against them until the bombs and the long drop underground finally did her in. Imagine if this was the scenario if Onigashima wasn't on the sky and no bombs were underneath. Big Mom's gonna "snu-snu" the crap out of Midd and Law.
“30% HP” bro this isn’t a video game lmao. They don’t have health points.
@@mstr293 he already talked about it lmao:
czcams.com/video/Amv28YwdgkE/video.html
Your argument is so disingenuous, it's so sad 😭😭😭😭
"30% HP" that's baseless headcanon. You can not quantify how much health he lost. It could very simply be 95% HP lol. So u would have to prove that.
"Luffy regaining his health to max" is literally disproven in ch 1045 where Luffy says he is all tuckered out because he was dying before this. Lmao
Gear 5 wasn't Luffy at max, Momo said constantly Luffy was weaker. Gear 5 was just him learning to coat himself in CoC and expressing the true nature of his DF instead of just using it offensively.
I agree Kaido is stronger and if they were to have a 1v1 no distractions and no surprises, Kaido wins high difficulty. Luffy's not even 19 yet though lol, he is probably the most powerful character under 21 that's ever lived in all fairness.
@@JT-km6th I don’t know bout that bro
W video
Only thing is luffy durability isn’t the same level as kaido and big mom. Not sure how he survives a puncture willie
ok bro 💀
What? Luffy has one of the best durability in the series. Best with prep time (food).
Bro luffy took kaidos coating ragnaroks and much more
Too much facts bro.
I been telling people they fought a nerfed big mom 😂 none of the kid fans believe me
Big mom and Kaido fought for 3 days before the raid......but yea she nerfed.......lol
@@fdouglas9604 here we go when that’s already been debunked… you’re slow if you think attacks like misery can compete with flaming dragon his drunken modes and kaidos haki. Big moms strongest attacks couldn’t even defeat kid and law that have no durability feats at all. Yet they pose ANY threat to kaido who’s the most durable in the entire verse? 😂😂😂 kaido and big mom clashed but it’s obvious they weren’t trying to kill eachother , kaido even cried when he found out big mom died yet you think he was going serious against her.. didn’t use any of his strongest forms or his future sight, none of that 😂😂😂 not to mention both came out unhurt from their “fight” and actually even made an alliance immediately after lmaooo
@@Sociallybeast01 first of what debunk lol a fight is a fight. It wasnt no sparring match lol. It's no different from the garpvsroger shanksvsmihawk clashes. And remember big mom was also known to have extremely thick skin not just kaido so they don't damage as easy. Also apparently it's said by oda that they were trying to kill each other its just they decided to be smart and work together. Although I do believe kaido is stronger than big mom, big mom ain't slouch if you taking 3 days to fight the bitch. Big mom was unusually strong growing up. You saying I'm slow but I find it funny how people forget fighting is not all power lol . Kidd and law have go chemistry. Law is a superior strategist with a broken fruit and kidd is fast at following that strategy. Big mom didn't lose by being overpowered .....she lost cause she got thrown off the island ....again
Sanji > Shanks In Speed
Hell no
shanks is probably faster with his speed combined with future sight. but sanji has speed feats where he basically vanishes. shanks speed feat was just him lunging a crazy long distance for the most part
@@onesem9399 via feats yes sir.
@@avalac7412 Sanji was literally dodging katakuri in whole cake and while in base. Sanji is way stronger than he was now so just imagine how great his reflexes are now.
@@Sociallybeast01 i know sanji's main thing is speed he's currently faster based off feats and eos he might be the fastest character if he surpasses kizaru(fastest character in the verse) and maybe luffy( who will probably refine his snake man/gear 5th forms to crazier lengths just his power is basically limited by his imaginaton.
Lol I just thought about something. Why did oden's journal hype up these three pirates for kid to go down right after wano!? And law don't look any better right now. 😂😂
For the heat of the battle Ig. It’s Kinda like how the shadow beasts from HxH were hyped up
Glad you mention the law doing more damage than Kidd causing her to break her bones which was a combined effort
3:45 hold up…. Luffy defeated Kaido because of his awakened god (literally) devil fruit. He won because of gear 5.
Not at all because because his Haki was better.
If his Haki being stronger was supposed to be the deciding factor than Oda did a terrible job communicating that since he gave him an instantly iconic transformation tied to his devil fruit which appeared to do 99% of the work
Bruv go read the whole gear 5 chapters again when luffy went in gear 5 his haki was blasting everywhere because he had more will to fight than kaido did that's what made the turning point in the battle luffys haki became stronger and gear 5 was taking no damage from kaido and each of luffys attacks was coated by conquerors haki in gear 5 and when this happened it became pretty obvious that luffys haki has gotten stronger than kaido because each of his hit was doing more damage to kaido than he did previously which again proves the point that haki is only as strong as your will is it was made clear that the strongest thing luffys has is not just his df but his will to go on fighting which is why he awakened at the end of the fight luffys haki was stronger than an awakened flaming kaido we all need to stop downplaying luffy he may not have a perfect combat style but his haki and df are busted and do not forget the only reason luffy has a 3bill bounty is because govt is trying to hide him under law and kid but he easily deserves a bounty of 4 bill
@@ialwayscom3back242 I never said said his Haki wasn’t blasting.
It may have even gotten stronger indeed but when you say “it became obvious Luffy’s Haki has gotten stronger because each punch did more damage than before….”
Before what? Before he turned gear 5?? That’s a devil fruit transformation. Not Haki.
Luffy got two major power ups in the fight against Kaido. One was he learned advanced conquerors haki. And it certainly helped him a lot and he absolutely did more damage and was more durable after.
But….. he was still losing.
It was only after he got a second power up, this time to his devil fruit, that he suddenly was winning:
Like I said before, if the writer (Oda) wanted to emphasize that having stronger Haki was why Luffy won, he wouldn’t have given Luffy his most powerful devil fruit upgrade in the entire series.
In fact THE most powerful devil fruit upgrade in the entire series…
The advanced conquers Haki was also necessary; absolutely. But the devil fruit awakening into gear 5 was the dues ex that saved the day.
None of this is downplaying Luffy. I have a hard time believing he’s not the strongest character in the series right now (other than maybe shanks….)
But my whole point (and the reason I made the comment you replied to) was because the guy said Haki won the battle when it was a devil fruit moment that stole the show by far.
Heck ask any random person what the most important or iconic part of Wano is and they’re not going to be like “Luffy getting advanced conquerors Haki”
No, they’re going to say “Gear 5”
@@natman2939 i get exactly what you're saying but if you remember luffy was NOT loosing when he fell 2 time it was because of cp0 the match was of equals kaido in hybrid form with coc and luffy in gear 4 with coc that was the moment of equality between both and yea it was interrupted by cp0 and you are also correct that gear 5 was a major df boost contributing to luffys victory but it wasn't really that sudden as of before it was kaido and luffy fighting as equal but that luffy got his df awakening boost which somehow also increased his haki idk how but it did and then kaido uses his awakened maga dragon form clashes with luffys strongest attack and looses
@@ialwayscom3back242 what makes you think gear 5 increased his Haki? Just the visuals of Haki being around him or something else?
Cause the increased strength in general can be just part of the form (same as gear 4 also made him stronger. And gear 2.)
I’m not sure how you a new DF form and think “wow he’s haki is way stronger”
Also remind me what cp0 means.
Luffy has every version of advanced haki abilities plus the most ridiculous power in the world. No way they can face Luffy. Law himself was dropped by a single Thunder Bagua by Kaido.
Whether or not she used ACOC luffy beats them all
Just a nitpick, you keep pushing this idea that King's Haki Infusion makes you faster. That doesn't even make sense. Your only example of this idea is that Luffy dodged Thunder Bagua after he got King's Haki Infusion. However, as you said yourself, he was using both future sight (which essentially increases his reaction time) AND Gear 2 which increases his speed, so ofc he'd be able to finally fully dodge it.
Could you explain how exactly using King's Haki increases your speed? You were able to explain why it makes sense that it ups your defence the same way it ups your offence, similarly to what Armament does. How would that work with speed?
Hybrid form and Drunk style is a greater amp than Gear 2. Luffy is using future sight in both instances so that’s a constant.
There are other examples I can go to like base Luffy in 1010 casually reacting to Hybrid Kaido right after learning coating and Luffy was never moving that fast before so until there’s enough to show the contrary, it’s valid.
@@zagessj exactly, when luffy got acoc he surpassed g4th in base, that wouldn’t be possible without speed increases aswell
my mans know what they talking about
@@gemslion2966 I like this theory but this isn't confirmed anywhere right now.
@@zagessj Kaido was just pacing himself. Noone but luffy fought kaido at true speed.
Same thing with katakuri.
Luffy dodging in base but gets hit in gear 4th snake man with better future sight.
It doest matter how but they both werent moving at full speed.
I however dont think Coc increases speed thats not true and is a big assumption no matter how you spin it. For future references dont make this a part of scaling because it diminishes your claim
luffy plot amor vs everyone
OP universe has the nost OP plotarmorhaki
Luffy isn’t at shanks level yet, but he is stronger than Big Mom
They’d be relative if big mom wasn’t literally an idiot lol
Luffy > Kaido > Shanks > Big Mom
Can't wait for an updated Zoro vs Luffy after Egg Head.
Nothing has changed. They both being nerfed
Very true very true, they not on luffys level.
why killer bounty is higher than zoro's ??
Repent and believe in Jesus
You lost me near the end I don't think shanks and luffy on the same level yet maybe after this egghead incident but not now
So basically
Kidd > Law > Luffy
Luffy >>>> Kid and Law
Objectively
Kidd coulda been OP like the magneto of the one piece universe but nah, he’s mostly big metal arm and big metal rail gun. Luffy beats them both because he really ate the toon toon fruit and he is actually a reality bending, unstoppable looney tunes man.
I mean, do you realize who you are comparing him to ? He can't just do all of that like that
saying luffy is just as strong as shanks is just crazy to me sure hes stronger than both law and kid but cmon On shanks lvl is crazy cmon now
Sorry luffy is not on the level of shanks let alone stronger
what kinda name is Zage lmao😂
Bruh first to fight luffy law and kid want to defeat straw hats.. Which is literaly not possible for their crew and them 😅 all the strawhats are powerful and some of them on admirals lvl.. How could theur crew possibly imagine to defeat them
Kidd and Law fold the fuck out of luffy. If they can beat BM. They’ll beat luffy
Advanced conquerors really sounds like just a Super Sayian version of armament Haki when you describe it as just making you faster, stronger; and durable
How the heck this ties into an ability that originally just knocked people out from a distance makes no sense
Did u just say luffy on shank lvl?
I feel like luffy is being walked a lil too much here but still agree with the outcome
How is he being walked too much? Luffy has every version of advanced haki. Kid & Law does not. Luffy has awakening which is the most ridiculous power in the world. His limit is only his imagination. He grabbed lightning. Fist the size of an island. G5 Luffy hits so hard Kaido always got knocked down. Kaido didn't even know how to deal with it because it gave Luffy the freedom to do whatever.
@@davidortiz3094 wanked is the word I meant to use...and yea luffy win this fight...I just wouldn't objectively put him above kaido yet... the fight was purely one on one the whole time and the fight was still close till the end of it
@@allmightykingrhythm9949 kaido , shanks and luffy all one shot people like kid , and law . That’s all that really matters lmao
thought this was obvious. luffy beat kaido, and kid got carried by law lmao.
The supernova (more specifically kid and law) was able to take attacks from big mom and hybrid kaido, and then shanks pulls up and one shots one of them. I think shanks is stronger than kaido by a bit, not by a lot but its a high-diff match. And remember who stopped Kaido from going to marineford. Shanks>>Kaido. So that means Shanks>>Luffy. Luffy isn't shanks tier yet.
Since we don't know how shanks stopped kaido, Its not fair to assume that Kaido was weaker/afraid of shanks and so was threatened by shanks meaning Shanks>>Kaido. It's more complicated, as Kaido was not really trying? In fact he never tried to dodge any of their attacks(except Zorro) I think he could've one shot them as well. But he didn't want to or maybe it's the weapon he uses? But still I think Shanks is stronger than kaido but not by a huge margin, we need more feats tbh so idk, but Luffy is top tier in Kaido's eyes(meaning he's close to being at shanks' level), as he is part of the people who could defeat him.
Do you read the manga bro?
sounds like your opinion is very different than his
@@MementoDespair sounds like? What is your reply for? I asked a genuine question.
@@magicgeezy that was a very sarcastic question, definitely not genuine especially considering he’s obviously using references FROM the manga in this video.
@@Sociallybeast01 well done police. Through your fine work, you answered it for me. Now you can go about arresting others. Cheers Comment Officer
He literally showed all the feats on the videos I just can’t powerscale
Kidd been a jobber
Law>kid
Law did good against bb
Black beard is not shanks lmao
Damned punk is a rail gun, not a metal rod. Also Luffy didn't surpass kaido.. yes he defeated him, but 1v1, kaido is fucking Luffy up.
Everything else is on point
Bro you’re such a bad scaler
Proof?
Luffy will lose a 2v1 lets not het ahead of ourselves here
I don’t know about that.
According to kaido:
Base luffy(with one use of gear3 I think)>big mom(without her devil fruit) and big mom(from the kid and law fight).
Kidd got one shot by shanks
They ain’t winning against luffys future sight
People like this just make my head hurt because they got other people actually believe in this and the logical easily be debunked big mama was using her full power she's just very weak🤦🏾♂️
He mentioned in the video that this is a possibility so I don’t get what you mean.
@@biasedpotato8511 what do you mean
@@rodrickjeremiah4416 he said she could actually be going out, and she’s actually very weak. But he thought it was more likely that she didn’t use conquerors haki.
@@biasedpotato8511 that doesn't make sense because why wouldn't she and in that video every evidence he said he had can Easley be debunked
@@rodrickjeremiah4416 not really
Captain useless mid 💀💀