Blackbeard also remarks when he grabs ace and hits him for the first time that it has “been a while since ace has been hit” which pre-timeskip could’ve been chalked up to his logia abilities. However, with context we realize that ace has been in the new world for the past two years where most fighters have at least basic armourment to hit logias with. This just lends credence to ace having good observation haki and/or even future sight.
One piece is the type of verse that if one only reads source material can result VERY different interpretation compare to people that reads both source and supplementary material.
This is all facts. Ace is definitely one the strongest commanders in the series. To do all that to a none sick whitebeard is crazy. Ace walking on katakuri. I had to😂😂😂
@@Khaled68335that first line, alright that was funny. But no katakuri and ace is not similar. Katakuri and the rest of the bigmom pirates was scared to do anything to a needed bigmom, while we have ace battling and damaging whitebeard. A weaker ace that fought blackbeard too. Katakuri stands no chance.
I personally have ace>kat his 🔥 could melt his mochi and in his novel it’s said he already has future sight and train arm haki with wb crew he also overpowered wb using his df in his sword in a clash while kat got overwhelmed by g4 bounceman arm haki i think ace overpowering wb is a better haki feat that getting thrown around by bounceman he’s is easily yc1 lvl before he died
Whitebeard gave Oden's position to Ace and Oden was able to down Kaido. The positions in Whitebeards crew are based on role, not exactly strength. Marco was first, but he was a doctor and always needed to be near pops. There is one very crucial detail about Ace when he was at his execution. Ace was kept at level 6 and we saw how those at level 1 to 5 were being treated. He was not fully rested or had a proper meal for a long while before he was sent for the executution. Akainu was peak form and Ace still speedblitzed and BLOCKED him.
You mention good details but if you notice before Ace sacrificed himself, you see Luffy pick up Ace’s vivre card which was still a full sheet of paper meaning by that point Ace’s returned to regular condition.
also zage you think these two options theories and rumors could be true or not first one ace might have a child he never knew about someone Luffy and Sabo must protect second maybe there's a clone of ace that way maybe that clone can live on just like Stussy and possibly even Edward weivile what do you think
Let’s not forget that Ace was at 10 health and 20% power in Marineford, he was clashing with Aokiji and Akainu while on the brink of his life. A fully rested healthy Ace would have a much better showing
His vivre card tells a different story. When he was in prison it was small and burning up, but when it falls on the ground at marineford it looks like normal again.
i know zage ace could have been even much more stronger than everyone surpassing and being above the yonko possibly his father but equal to Luffy and rocks
Jinbei doesn’t show anything that would sugget he would have grown stronger. By the time of the Ace fight Jinbei had been a Warlord for at least 7 years. I think Jinbei is only growing post Wano due to being with the Straw Hats that always get stronger as they travel and do battle.
@@zagessj exactly but I will keep gorosei below for now bc prime sengoku is admiral and you know he might even be above prime garp but gorosei vary but I'm keeping them below.
Ace is the most wasted character and the biggest disappointment in all of one piece Even arguably the most wasted potential in all of fiction. (This is just my humble opinion so please don't crucify me)
First could you also do a video about sabo think hes pretty underrated.Even excluding advancanced conquers.Ace fought a Yamato that is weaker than the one luffy fought. Yamato did grow stronger Because she said in her fight against hybrid kaido that everytime she fought and lost against him she grew stronger unless you think in those 4 years she didnt try to fight kaido once what is considering Yamatos personaly and Determination dumb also Yamato does most likely train in her free time
@@zagessj agree, but the fact that other captains who are narrativly implied to be inferior if not even Directly said by oda(im not sure i think it was on a manga pannal of the vice captains where he then said in sbs he chosses them by strength) able to press Holding back fujitora and greenbull is impresive,he also was able to press fujitora the first time he used his devil fruit later we saw him training. And then survive and escape the gorosei and imu despide getting jumped
@@DOG690Ace is not trash but was for plot for luffy growth. And blackbeard didn't one shot ace. Blackbeard was actually going all out he know the caliber ace has. When Ace loss oda show how legit blackbeard is.
i disagree because - 1, low bounty 2, said to be only as strong as a division or a small boat commander by ben because of his ideals 3, im very confident theres also a databook statement with marco and jozu being implied to be stronger than ace. not sure if vista was there or not though. i'll have to find it.
Bounty reflects nothing and things said shouldn’t directly contradict someone’s feats. Current Chopper has a bounty of what 150? So does that mean he’s weaker than alabasta luffy? No, he’d one tap him and don’t let me get started on all the people who think buggy is stronger than mihawk and crocodile when they both dog walk him in private💀
Blackbeard also remarks when he grabs ace and hits him for the first time that it has “been a while since ace has been hit” which pre-timeskip could’ve been chalked up to his logia abilities. However, with context we realize that ace has been in the new world for the past two years where most fighters have at least basic armourment to hit logias with. This just lends credence to ace having good observation haki and/or even future sight.
Good point
That sounds like Katakuri, who said he hasn’t been hit in years. Which states that ace was similar to Katakuri
@@Khaled68335facts
Ngl this is good point.
This just pushes bb for me
Why ace WAS stronger than you think
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One piece is the type of verse that if one only reads source material can result VERY different interpretation compare to people that reads both source and supplementary material.
If Ace lived, he'd have become the new Captain of the Whitebeard Pirates.
Yup
What about marco
@@troyellis2577ace > marco
@@God_of_Bacon stupid
This is all facts. Ace is definitely one the strongest commanders in the series. To do all that to a none sick whitebeard is crazy. Ace walking on katakuri. I had to😂😂😂
Ace is a donut! While Katakuri is a donut eater! Plus ace was similar to Katakuri, So therefore Katakuri negs ace
@@Khaled68335that first line, alright that was funny. But no katakuri and ace is not similar. Katakuri and the rest of the bigmom pirates was scared to do anything to a needed bigmom, while we have ace battling and damaging whitebeard. A weaker ace that fought blackbeard too. Katakuri stands no chance.
ace is lower yc1 level around katakuri imo, i see him beating commanders like queen, smoothie and cracker but loses to king, sabo, zoro etc
king without flames on would get disengrated if he took a haki quake punch from whitebeard
nah zoro got shit against ace and amrco wb commanders were most experinced to match admerials
I personally have ace>kat his 🔥 could melt his mochi and in his novel it’s said he already has future sight and train arm haki with wb crew he also overpowered wb using his df in his sword in a clash while kat got overwhelmed by g4 bounceman arm haki i think ace overpowering wb is a better haki feat that getting thrown around by bounceman he’s is easily yc1 lvl before he died
Ace is a donut! While Katakuri is a donut eater! Plus ace was similar to Katakuri, So therefore Katakuri negs ace
This was a great analysis. I actually got a way better understanding of Ace's power
Given this context I wouldn’t be surprised if Ace could give a good fight to someone like Katakuri.
They are pretty relative in strength
Whitebeard gave Oden's position to Ace and Oden was able to down Kaido.
The positions in Whitebeards crew are based on role, not exactly strength.
Marco was first, but he was a doctor and always needed to be near pops.
There is one very crucial detail about Ace when he was at his execution.
Ace was kept at level 6 and we saw how those at level 1 to 5 were being treated.
He was not fully rested or had a proper meal for a long while before he was sent for the executution.
Akainu was peak form and Ace still speedblitzed and BLOCKED him.
You mention good details but if you notice before Ace sacrificed himself, you see Luffy pick up Ace’s vivre card which was still a full sheet of paper meaning by that point Ace’s returned to regular condition.
Bro i swear every powerscaler just switched up or something cus a couple months ago I thought every powerscaler thought ace was fodder
Hey zage first her,will you be doing your top 30 strongest all time/current for the end of the year.
If I find the time
@@zagessj ty.
also zage you think these two options theories and rumors could be true or not first one ace might have a child he never knew about someone Luffy and Sabo must protect second maybe there's a clone of ace that way maybe that clone can live on just like Stussy and possibly even Edward weivile what do you think
They sound like a reach tbh
Let’s not forget that Ace was at 10 health and 20% power in Marineford, he was clashing with Aokiji and Akainu while on the brink of his life. A fully rested healthy Ace would have a much better showing
His vivre card tells a different story.
When he was in prison it was small and burning up, but when it falls on the ground at marineford it looks like normal again.
i know zage ace could have been even much more stronger than everyone surpassing and being above the yonko possibly his father but equal to Luffy and rocks
Yeah Ace was heading in the right path
@@zagessj I just hope you could’ve done it maybe his clone can if it’s real and true
ace was a monster since he was a kid
The manga adaptation do not have everything in the ace novel zage you have a link to the original/story.
Discord
@@zagessj what about discord.
Could you name the sites you use where you can get all the one piece Sources
Discord
This is moving me.
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I can understand if it’s the same Yamato from 4 years ago but Jimbei being as strong as wano from 4 years ago really?
Jinbei doesn’t show anything that would sugget he would have grown stronger. By the time of the Ace fight Jinbei had been a Warlord for at least 7 years. I think Jinbei is only growing post Wano due to being with the Straw Hats that always get stronger as they travel and do battle.
Sanji's food makes him stronger
The video we all needed
Great Video!
Thanks
Do you think think Garlinge and gorosei can beat admirals and why zage ?
Gorosei maybe but Garling no
@@zagessj exactly but I will keep gorosei below for now bc prime sengoku is admiral and you know he might even be above prime garp but gorosei vary but I'm keeping them below.
I would say ace is stronger than pre ryo luffy he’s a rooftop level fighter
I dont kno y ppl sleep on ace. Its obvious y he lost to bb n he died literally to save luffy. Its not like he fought akainu n just got killed.
Wait so cp9 were comfirmed to have haki or they WERE until it was retconned?
Well yeah, he stood toe to toe with a Blackbeard who was superior to when he scarred Shanks
Ace the goat
Honestly i wish if they didn't kill ace.
who was the sealord that was defeated
They wasn’t named
Do you think Garlinge can beat gorosei zage ?
No
@@zagessj that I'd what I think too
All this does is upscale goatkainu and Marshall d goat
Ace is the most wasted character and the biggest disappointment in all of one piece Even arguably the most wasted potential in all of fiction. (This is just my humble opinion so please don't crucify me)
I don’t agree I think he served his purpose well narratively
Ace beats Katakuri.
no he doesn't
True.
First could you also do a video about sabo think hes pretty underrated.Even excluding advancanced conquers.Ace fought a Yamato that is weaker than the one luffy fought. Yamato did grow stronger Because she said in her fight against hybrid kaido that everytime she fought and lost against him she grew stronger unless you think in those 4 years she didnt try to fight kaido once what is considering Yamatos personaly and Determination dumb also Yamato does most likely train in her free time
Sabo needs to show more
@@zagessj agree, but the fact that other captains who are narrativly implied to be inferior if not even Directly said by oda(im not sure i think it was on a manga pannal of the vice captains where he then said in sbs he chosses them by strength) able to press Holding back fujitora and greenbull is impresive,he also was able to press fujitora the first time he used his devil fruit later we saw him training. And then survive and escape the gorosei and imu despide getting jumped
Grand line review already confirmed Sabo is trash
@@tobiramasenju6290 could you send a link?
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Ace is super trash
No
Bro mad he got burned
@@zagessj no? He got 2shoted by blackbeard. Ace is so trash he cant even beat perospero not to mention the others
@@carljohnson7168 ?
@@DOG690Ace is not trash but was for plot for luffy growth. And blackbeard didn't one shot ace. Blackbeard was actually going all out he know the caliber ace has. When Ace loss oda show how legit blackbeard is.
i disagree because -
1, low bounty
2, said to be only as strong as a division or a small boat commander by ben because of his ideals
3, im very confident theres also a databook statement with marco and jozu being implied to be stronger than ace. not sure if vista was there or not though. i'll have to find it.
Bounty reflects nothing and things said shouldn’t directly contradict someone’s feats. Current Chopper has a bounty of what 150? So does that mean he’s weaker than alabasta luffy? No, he’d one tap him and don’t let me get started on all the people who think buggy is stronger than mihawk and crocodile when they both dog walk him in private💀
@@ihopespaceisedible330 fair but he’s still weaker than Jozu and arguably vista.
So he’s not YC1 lvl.
@@ansh2771 I don’t ace losing to either tbh but who knows anything can happen