I stopped watching after 34 seconds when he did not identify an axis as a possible datum. ASME Y14.5-09, 1.3.13 Datum : a theoretically exact point, axis, line, plane, or combination thereof derived from the theoretical datum feature simulator.
I don't think your statement is fair. (1) This is Lesson 1. (2) An axis is a type of line. (3) Mr. Odell is trying to communicate a general concept. Teaching is an art. I really appreciate the way Mr. Odell is teaching. Quoting "the law" directly from ASME Y14.5 (like you have suggested) when one is just starting out in one's GD&T journey may not be the wise thing to do from a pedagogical point of view. (4) Mr. Odell, please proceed.
If you quit listening at 34 seconds, it is your loss. Great intro video.IMHO. When I teach GD&T in my ENGR 1304 class, if I can get students to understand these four concepts, I feel I have done a good job.
Stopped listening because you thought you were better right? He actually explained what you're just saying. If you need to learn, you need to be patient.
Dean, I come to say thanks to you. I just passed the GDTP Senior and certified in the 2009 version. Appreciate your generous videos, these really help me lot. I come from China where the CZcams is forbidden, anyway I come to share you the good news. And best wished to you! You are the man!
That’s why I made it! I remember years ago looking for good GD&T content for myself on CZcams and not being able to find anything useful. I’ve tried to provide the best I can with the tools I have.
I'm studying GD&T as fast as I can to prepare for new job position. Going from civil engineering to mechanical engineering. This is very helpful! Thank you for sharing these videos.
@@sophiapappa849 All the jobs I saw were pretty hyper specific. You need to narrow down what you're looking for and then study what they list in their job description.
Im about a year along my 3d printing hobby and didnt really need this stuff. As Ive been diving more into design,I found myself here and Im hooked. This is just the nerd food my brain needs. all jokes aside I learned a lot, probably need to watch the video a few more times but the instructions are clear even if they are a bit over my head for now. Kind of shocked this video only has 133k views.
3:34 That is absolutely 💯 correct. Datums whether it could be ABC or XYZ or 321 are basically an absolute common ground or a foundation or a reference where a designer, manufacturer and quality inspector come together to speak of & understand the same concept without leading them to any incorrect interpretation.
Dean, wow this "Straight to the Point" is so beautiful and is so easy to understand. Thank you for this powerful easy to see approach. I will look out for more of your videos
This is simply outstanding! As an EE, I’ve dreaded learning this, but this is so practical and explained so clearly, I wish I started sooner! I really lucked out finding this channel.
Thank you for going with this approach to explaining things. I wish I could have you as one of my instructors. Up to this point, I've had struggles with understanding GD&T in my Print Interpretation class. I'm pursuing a CNC Production Machinist Technical Certificate. I'm glad I found your channel and I have better confidence with the concept of GD&T. Again thank you
Dean Odell, thank you for your post. I appreciate what your doing. The Gd&t Subject can be a little dry for many engineers and designers. I like how you add your own twist to the subject and make more interesting.
Thanks so much! I try to explain things in my own way, and not just read off what is in a book. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I think explaining is more important than presenting information.
Your explanation over the feature control frame has helped me understand the concept so much better now. Glad I was able to find you before I started my GD&T class this semester.
Great Explanation Professor. Is it possible to make a video on inspecting the position tolerance of the washer explained in 19:44 with datum A and B at RMB. Or even explain how will we use gauges in calculating the deviation.
Hi Dean, great content as always. Would I be correct in saying that for the drawing produced at 22:47, there is nothing controlling the tolerance of the 2.00 dimension until you add the profile tolerance at 23:20? In other words, is the drawing incomplete or "incorrect" until the profile characteristic and tolerance is added since there is no feature control frame associated with the basic dimension 2.00?
Hi, thanks so much! You are correct! According to Fundamental Rule “A” ( I made a video about it last year ). Every dimension must have a tolerance. As you pointed out, that surface dimensioned with a basic dimension does not have any associated feature control frames. This would make the specification incomplete. Adding a profile would be the best course of action in most situations.
Great video Dean. The only part that was a little confusing is that you seemed to be drawing the Right Hand View for parts to the left of the front view in your samples. So that when you had a datum reference it seemed to be picking up the opposite intended surface? See for example your Views at 19:33 in your video.
Thanks for the video. I subscribed and plan on viewing all the videos in the playlist that you created. In your video, you had mentioned MMB and LMB for Datums: 1. Do they have anything to do with Datum Shift? 2. How to calculate Datum Shift? 3. What are some applications for their use?
Awesome content! I have to work with both Imperial and metric tolerances for the automotive industry. I may be able to show you a real world fixture for the concepts you are illustrating in the round for measuring tolerances.
Thanks for your teaching video Mr. Odell. Would you make video to show 1/ how to lock a slot if it's 3rd datum and 2/ how to inspect its true position if it's called out its width and its length separately. THANKS.
Hi Dean, thanks for the video. I'm little confused about LMC. How the tolerance increases when the dimension move from LMC to MMC. When the pin gets bigger there will be less space to move around and thus less tolerance right. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Question regarding the MMC and LMC pin example at 18:00: 1. For MMC pin example, does machinist tends to machine the pin to the lower end (0.98, 0.99) to give themselves more room for error (shaft deflection from lathing etc...) in straightness? 2. For LMC pin example, what is the practical application?
An intuitive way to think of the difference between MMC and LMC is to think of the part as a balloon filled with air. MMC is the over-inflated condition and LMC is the under-inflated condition.
Thank you for your great educational videos on GD&T. A couple of questions: There is a confusing note under feature control frame on the drawing at 19:30 . It says "MMC=VC=1.98". The hole feature size is only 1.00 +/-.02 shouldn't it be 0.98 at MMC? Also, does departure from MMB/LMB when used on datum in feature control frame affects other tolerances of feature size or geometric tolerance?
In this figure the smaller hole is an internal FOS, and you should know that for hole the MMC size is the smallest size of dia which is 1.98 and there is no geometrical tolerance are given for MMC ,that is why VC=1.98
So...if we are considering a thru hole in a block...at mmc the hole will be smaller with limited tolerance to its axis(considering position gtol)....and if the hole is.larger then the hole axis can bend or have more.slantness?
Basically, yes. If the hole is toleranced with position and the MMC symbol is present, the hole gets more position tolerance if it is made a larger size within the size tolerance. The additional position tolerance is called “bonus tolerance” although this phrase is not in ASME Y14.5. The bonus tolerance is the difference between the actual size of the unrelated actual mating envelope and the MMC size. This can be added to the specified position tolerance and is known as the “allowable” tolerance. The axis is always straight, but can exist at any orientation or location within the tolerance zone.
Hi Dean, Your contents are very informative and helpful to learning GD&T for fresher engineers like me. Thank you for this initiative. I have a question actually for you. Let's say datum B (That you have shown in your video 10:25 ) is the main mating surface in case of an assembly, but you have said to consider the largest surface in case of choosing the datum A. So my question is should we consider just like you in this case or there is an exception?
This is the first video I was presented when trying to learn about GD&T, and im impressed about how good you are at teaching. I thank life and the algorithms for letting me learn from you! Greetings from Mexico!
Hello professor, thank you for the explinations, please what do you mean by : - basic dimensions terminate of 30 thousandths ? - position is almost applied with the directly tolerance dimension that applied to a feature of size in 8:27 - this surface is parallel to 5 thousands in 5:53 and why you said for datums it can be A C B, then it should be A, B, the C ?
Let's say we have a position tolerance exactly the same as given in time 8:00. What would be the situation if we defined datums as only B and C (cancelled datum A restriction)?
Great question! Without datum A, the axis would have no perpendicularity requirements. So the hole could be at an extreme angle and still pass a position check on one side of the part or the other.
@@RDeanOdell Thank you for the response. Your videos are so helpful. So, if we cancel A, we inspect the hole at just one circle in terms of the position according to B and C, one of the two sides of the part, right? And if we include datum A, we inspect it throughout the hole.
@18:00 How could additional tolerance be gained by moving closer to MMC from LMC? If your alignment pin is getting larger or hole is getting smaller, by default you are losing positional tolerance for those features. In what type of situation would you actually be gaining tolerance like stated in the LMC description?
Hi. It sure could be measured that way! The idea with the feature of size definition in the ASME standard is that you need opposing points, while the depth gage is measuring in the same direction. This isn’t a law of nature or anything, so your instinct is not wrong. The ISO standard allows some different concepts like position on surfaces where the ASME standard says that is against the “rules”.
I have to disagree about not reporting Basic dimensions unless you are in a strict pass/ fail situation. In the shop, the machinist nearly always wants to know where the center of the hole is, especially if the feature is out of tolerance.. Reporting .01 position can mean many different things, especially if you have multiple holes in a pattern. Having all the holes in a pattern drift towards 2:00 o'clock is a very different thing than having the holes moving randomly. If the holes are drifting about the same amount and in the same direction then that is very likely a setup issue. If the holes are moving randomly then something may be loose in the setup. I do like your videos and wish I had something like them back in the dark ages when I was first learning this stuff.
Hi, thanks for the great feedback. I understand your disagreement completely. I think this is always going to be a sticking point between manufacturing and inspection. My view on the design and inspection side is that drawing requirements are pass/fail. No room for interpretation *if* the drawing is prepared correctly. I hope most companies have a feedback mechanism where inspection can include important data on actual locations from basic dimensions so that manufacturing can fix errors.
ASME Y14.45-2021, titled "Measurement Data Reporting" has a solution for this issue. For position tolerance data, Y14.45 specifies that "Location components" are a standard item that can be (should be in most cases) included along with a position value. Location components are the X, or Y, or Z locations of, for instance, each end point of the axis of a hole. If the position tolerance is applied to a center plane of a slot or tab then only one location component may be needed. If the position tolerance is applied to an axis of a shaft or bore then two directions of location components, possibly at each axis end point (if the feature has enough length/depth to make this practical) are needed. If the position tolerance applies to the center point of a sphere, then three location components, X, Y, and Z will be needed. As you may already be thinking, if X, Y and Z location components are to be reported, then an explicit set of coordinate axes that represent the applicable datum reference frame must be shown on the drawing or model when location component reporting is desired. There are several conceptual and practical reasons why basic dimension cannot be reported (it's more than just that they should not be reported), but location components, relative to an explicit set of datum reference frame coordinate axes provide a good way to provide clear data the shows where the feature is. A similar type of additional data that clarifies data reporting for profile tolerances is also specified in Y14.45-2021. "Surface deviation" values for each measured point, or a sampling of measured points can be reported along with the profile value.
on your last example, you have dia.03 in the feature control box. how does this relate to the part holes' size tolerances? it would still be MMC 0.98size + .06 to get back to 1.04, correct?
@RDeanOdellHVCC Thanks for all the video explanations you have put up! Really helpful! Can you answer this: if the part comes in at exactly at Upper Spec Limit (USL) 1.02 and MMC is not applied, then 1.Form tolerance applied will become zero zero, or 2.Will it be 1.02 USL + 0.02 form tolerance
I stopped watching after 34 seconds when he did not identify an axis as a possible datum. ASME Y14.5-09, 1.3.13 Datum
: a theoretically exact point, axis, line, plane, or
combination thereof derived from the theoretical datum
feature simulator.
I don't think your statement is fair. (1) This is Lesson 1. (2) An axis is a type of line. (3) Mr. Odell is trying to communicate a general concept. Teaching is an art. I really appreciate the way Mr. Odell is teaching. Quoting "the law" directly from ASME Y14.5 (like you have suggested) when one is just starting out in one's GD&T journey may not be the wise thing to do from a pedagogical point of view. (4) Mr. Odell, please proceed.
If you quit listening at 34 seconds, it is your loss. Great intro video.IMHO.
When I teach GD&T in my ENGR 1304 class, if I can get students to understand these four concepts, I feel I have done a good job.
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This video series got me a good design internship and it’s great to review.
Stopped listening because you thought you were better right? He actually explained what you're just saying. If you need to learn, you need to be patient.
By a far the best GD&T instructional I have found on YT. Mr. Odell you rule!
Thank you so much!
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I trust this man based on the amount of pens and pencils in his breast pocket.
I trust the pony tail. My college drafting instructor also had a ponytail.
Dean, I come to say thanks to you. I just passed the GDTP Senior and certified in the 2009 version. Appreciate your generous videos, these really help me lot. I come from China where the CZcams is forbidden, anyway I come to share you the good news. And best wished to you! You are the man!
Been looking for content like this on youtube for a long time. Simply and thoroughly explained with great examples. Thanks Dean!
That’s why I made it! I remember years ago looking for good GD&T content for myself on CZcams and not being able to find anything useful. I’ve tried to provide the best I can with the tools I have.
I'm studying GD&T as fast as I can to prepare for new job position. Going from civil engineering to mechanical engineering. This is very helpful! Thank you for sharing these videos.
Hi! I am currently trying to do the same. Did anything else help you with this transition and interview process?
@@sophiapappa849 All the jobs I saw were pretty hyper specific. You need to narrow down what you're looking for and then study what they list in their job description.
You’re doing gods work, this level of teaching is worth so much
Thanks!
Just found these videos. They are awesome! Just what I needed.
Thanks so much! I have several videos in this series, as well as many shorter videos covering various GD&T topics.
Yessssir. Machinist here, reviewing things. Excellent info. Clean, straightforward. Thank you very much, Dean!
Im about a year along my 3d printing hobby and didnt really need this stuff. As Ive been diving more into design,I found myself here and Im hooked. This is just the nerd food my brain needs. all jokes aside I learned a lot, probably need to watch the video a few more times but the instructions are clear even if they are a bit over my head for now. Kind of shocked this video only has 133k views.
This gotta be the most informative video about GD&T out in the internet .
Thanks so much! It’s actually an hour long lecture in person, but I fast-forward and edit parts so that it comes out to about 25 minutes for CZcams.
He is the best GD&T Instructor of GD&T I have ever seen!
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Great to hear! I have lots more videos on the topic
Man, your explanation is so good that even I, a Brazilian who doesn't understand English that well, managed to learn it! Thanks!!!
Great to hear! That’s great you can follow! I try to use clear language and limit the technical jargon whenever possible.
@@RDeanOdell I don't native english speaker and thank you a lot, you spoke clear and a perfect speed.
3:34 That is absolutely 💯 correct.
Datums whether it could be ABC or XYZ or 321 are basically an absolute common ground or a foundation or a reference where a designer, manufacturer and quality inspector come together to speak of & understand the same concept without leading them to any incorrect interpretation.
I’ve been looking through all the other GD&T CZcams material for my work and they are not explained like this, fantastic video!
Great to hear! Thanks so much.
Dean, wow this "Straight to the Point" is so beautiful and is so easy to understand. Thank you for this powerful easy to see approach. I will look out for more of your videos
Awesome to hear! Glad you found it helpful. I use this lecture as an introduction to GD&T in my courses on print reading.
Thank you so much for publishing this series
Thanks!
This is simply outstanding! As an EE, I’ve dreaded learning this, but this is so practical and explained so clearly, I wish I started sooner! I really lucked out finding this channel.
Glad it was helpful! Lots more videos as well.
Thank you for going with this approach to explaining things. I wish I could have you as one of my instructors. Up to this point, I've had struggles with understanding GD&T in my Print Interpretation class. I'm pursuing a CNC Production Machinist Technical Certificate. I'm glad I found your channel and I have better confidence with the concept of GD&T. Again thank you
I am impressed with the value of information that has been delivered in the video. Kudos to you @R. Dean Odell.
Thanks! There are 7 more videos in this series as well.
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@@RDeanOdell Hopkinsville Community College in KY
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I’ve been through those too, let me guess, they used PowerPoint?
Dean Odell, thank you for your post. I appreciate what your doing. The Gd&t Subject can be a little dry for many engineers and designers. I like how you add your own twist to the subject and make more interesting.
Thanks so much! I try to explain things in my own way, and not just read off what is in a book. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I think explaining is more important than presenting information.
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Your explanation over the feature control frame has helped me understand the concept so much better now. Glad I was able to find you before I started my GD&T class this semester.
Thanks so much! Glad my video was helpful in your studies.
Helpful tips in my work as a drawing reviewer at Saab, fine that you explain differences to ISO
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Great Explanation Professor.
Is it possible to make a video on inspecting the position tolerance of the washer explained in 19:44 with datum A and B at RMB. Or even explain how will we use gauges in calculating the deviation.
Nice! Thanks Dean, very well explained.
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Hi Dean, great content as always. Would I be correct in saying that for the drawing produced at 22:47, there is nothing controlling the tolerance of the 2.00 dimension until you add the profile tolerance at 23:20? In other words, is the drawing incomplete or "incorrect" until the profile characteristic and tolerance is added since there is no feature control frame associated with the basic dimension 2.00?
Hi, thanks so much!
You are correct! According to Fundamental Rule “A” ( I made a video about it last year ). Every dimension must have a tolerance. As you pointed out, that surface dimensioned with a basic dimension does not have any associated feature control frames. This would make the specification incomplete. Adding a profile would be the best course of action in most situations.
Good and clear
Thanks!
Great video Dean. The only part that was a little confusing is that you seemed to be drawing the Right Hand View for parts to the left of the front view in your samples. So that when you had a datum reference it seemed to be picking up the opposite intended surface? See for example your Views at 19:33 in your video.
Thanks for the video. I subscribed and plan on viewing all the videos in the playlist that you created.
In your video, you had mentioned MMB and LMB for Datums:
1. Do they have anything to do with Datum Shift?
2. How to calculate Datum Shift?
3. What are some applications for their use?
Thank you Sir.
I love this video. it helps me a lot. thank you.
Thanks so much! Glad you found it helpful.
Awesome content! I have to work with both Imperial and metric tolerances for the automotive industry. I may be able to show you a real world fixture for the concepts you are illustrating in the round for measuring tolerances.
Thanks so much! I’d be thrilled to see some “real” industry examples. I can be reached by email at dean@deanodell.com
excellent :)
Thank you very much for the video 🙏
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for your teaching video Mr. Odell. Would you make video to show 1/ how to lock a slot if it's 3rd datum and 2/ how to inspect its true position if it's called out its width and its length separately. THANKS.
Excellent
Thank you!
Hi Dean, thanks for the video. I'm little confused about LMC. How the tolerance increases when the dimension move from LMC to MMC. When the pin gets bigger there will be less space to move around and thus less tolerance right. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Question regarding the MMC and LMC pin example at 18:00:
1. For MMC pin example, does machinist tends to machine the pin to the lower end (0.98, 0.99) to give themselves more room for error (shaft deflection from lathing etc...) in straightness?
2. For LMC pin example, what is the practical application?
Very helpful thank you
Thanks so much!
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An intuitive way to think of the difference between MMC and LMC is to think of the part as a balloon filled with air. MMC is the over-inflated condition and LMC is the under-inflated condition.
Thanks for the example!
We want to see more videos from you on latest updates and changes in gd & t standards
Thanks for the feedback! Let me see what I can do about comparing the 2018 to 2008 standard In a video.
@@RDeanOdell can you please do a series of videos on latest gd&t standard Since I m into design engineering of aerospace it will be helpful for me
Thank you for your great educational videos on GD&T. A couple of questions: There is a confusing note under feature control frame on the drawing at 19:30 . It says "MMC=VC=1.98". The hole feature size is only 1.00 +/-.02 shouldn't it be 0.98 at MMC? Also, does departure from MMB/LMB when used on datum in feature control frame affects other tolerances of feature size or geometric tolerance?
In this figure the smaller hole is an internal FOS, and you should know that for hole the MMC size is the smallest size of dia which is 1.98 and there is no geometrical tolerance are given for MMC ,that is why VC=1.98
So...if we are considering a thru hole in a block...at mmc the hole will be smaller with limited tolerance to its axis(considering position gtol)....and if the hole is.larger then the hole axis can bend or have more.slantness?
Basically, yes. If the hole is toleranced with position and the MMC symbol is present, the hole gets more position tolerance if it is made a larger size within the size tolerance. The additional position tolerance is called “bonus tolerance” although this phrase is not in ASME Y14.5. The bonus tolerance is the difference between the actual size of the unrelated actual mating envelope and the MMC size. This can be added to the specified position tolerance and is known as the “allowable” tolerance. The axis is always straight, but can exist at any orientation or location within the tolerance zone.
Hi Dean,
Your contents are very informative and helpful to learning GD&T for fresher engineers like me. Thank you for this initiative.
I have a question actually for you. Let's say datum B (That you have shown in your video 10:25 ) is the main mating surface in case of an assembly, but you have said to consider the largest surface in case of choosing the datum A. So my question is should we consider just like you in this case or there is an exception?
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You’re welcome!
23:20 min 2xholes of diameters 1" seems to not fit to part of 2" length isn't?
Hi, you are probably correct. I am just making up dimensions to illustrate the concept.
This is the first video I was presented when trying to learn about GD&T, and im impressed about how good you are at teaching. I thank life and the algorithms for letting me learn from you! Greetings from Mexico!
Hello professor, thank you for the explinations, please what do you mean by :
- basic dimensions terminate of 30 thousandths ?
- position is almost applied with the directly tolerance dimension that applied to a feature of size in 8:27
- this surface is parallel to 5 thousands in 5:53
and why you said for datums it can be A C B, then it should be A, B, the C ?
6:00 feature control frames
I probably should add the time stamps to the description. Thanks for adding this!
Let's say we have a position tolerance exactly the same as given in time 8:00. What would be the situation if we defined datums as only B and C (cancelled datum A restriction)?
Great question! Without datum A, the axis would have no perpendicularity requirements. So the hole could be at an extreme angle and still pass a position check on one side of the part or the other.
@@RDeanOdell Thank you for the response. Your videos are so helpful.
So, if we cancel A, we inspect the hole at just one circle in terms of the position according to B and C, one of the two sides of the part, right? And if we include datum A, we inspect it throughout the hole.
Hello can you please make one video of tolrence stack case considering FCF in it so to detail understand
At 16:00 does it mean if the diameter symbol is missing the tolerance applies as a circle instead of a cylinder?
I think mmc is for pins and shafts,and LMC is for hole is it right
@18:00 How could additional tolerance be gained by moving closer to MMC from LMC? If your alignment pin is getting larger or hole is getting smaller, by default you are losing positional tolerance for those features. In what type of situation would you actually be gaining tolerance like stated in the LMC description?
0.06
Couldn't the cut discussed around 15:00 be measured using the depth gauge and therefore a feature of size?
Hi. It sure could be measured that way! The idea with the feature of size definition in the ASME standard is that you need opposing points, while the depth gage is measuring in the same direction. This isn’t a law of nature or anything, so your instinct is not wrong. The ISO standard allows some different concepts like position on surfaces where the ASME standard says that is against the “rules”.
Conceptually MMC and LMC are still difficult to wrap my head around. Maybe because I don't understand yet when I would use it or not.
Why would you ever use LMC for creating varing tolerances? What would that look like and why would somebody try to achieve with that?
For bores for like sleeves, certain pumps, pin holes, etc.
Is there a course for this or is this an OJT thing?
What's up with the "thousandths," like when you say "forty thousandths," but use 1.04. Isn't that forty hundredths?
I graduated electrical engineering trying to get a job in mechanical industry i almost get this vid😅 but not 100% lol
I have to disagree about not reporting Basic dimensions unless you are in a strict pass/ fail situation.
In the shop, the machinist nearly always wants to know where the center of the hole is, especially if the feature is out of tolerance.. Reporting .01 position can mean many different things, especially if you have multiple holes in a pattern. Having all the holes in a pattern drift towards 2:00 o'clock is a very different thing than having the holes moving randomly. If the holes are drifting about the same amount and in the same direction then that is very likely a setup issue. If the holes are moving randomly then something may be loose in the setup.
I do like your videos and wish I had something like them back in the dark ages when I was first learning this stuff.
Hi, thanks for the great feedback. I understand your disagreement completely. I think this is always going to be a sticking point between manufacturing and inspection.
My view on the design and inspection side is that drawing requirements are pass/fail. No room for interpretation *if* the drawing is prepared correctly.
I hope most companies have a feedback mechanism where inspection can include important data on actual locations from basic dimensions so that manufacturing can fix errors.
ASME Y14.45-2021, titled "Measurement Data Reporting" has a solution for this issue. For position tolerance data, Y14.45 specifies that "Location components" are a standard item that can be (should be in most cases) included along with a position value. Location components are the X, or Y, or Z locations of, for instance, each end point of the axis of a hole. If the position tolerance is applied to a center plane of a slot or tab then only one location component may be needed. If the position tolerance is applied to an axis of a shaft or bore then two directions of location components, possibly at each axis end point (if the feature has enough length/depth to make this practical) are needed. If the position tolerance applies to the center point of a sphere, then three location components, X, Y, and Z will be needed. As you may already be thinking, if X, Y and Z location components are to be reported, then an explicit set of coordinate axes that represent the applicable datum reference frame must be shown on the drawing or model when location component reporting is desired. There are several conceptual and practical reasons why basic dimension cannot be reported (it's more than just that they should not be reported), but location components, relative to an explicit set of datum reference frame coordinate axes provide a good way to provide clear data the shows where the feature is. A similar type of additional data that clarifies data reporting for profile tolerances is also specified in Y14.45-2021. "Surface deviation" values for each measured point, or a sampling of measured points can be reported along with the profile value.
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on your last example, you have dia.03 in the feature control box. how does this relate to the part holes' size tolerances?
it would still be MMC 0.98size + .06 to get back to 1.04, correct?
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@RDeanOdellHVCC Thanks for all the video explanations you have put up! Really helpful!
Can you answer this: if the part comes in at exactly at Upper Spec Limit (USL) 1.02 and MMC is not applied, then
1.Form tolerance applied will become zero zero,
or
2.Will it be 1.02 USL + 0.02 form tolerance