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No-one gives a dam about the music, we give a dam about the amazing content!
Jesus is there anyway you can get it removed or is it stuck there?
You forgot to mention that in Tambov Bolsheviks used gas. There are surviving written orders from Lenin, Felix Dzedjinski (that traiteurs bastard, betrayed Vilnius) and Mikhail Tukhachevsky to commissars and officers to use gas as a weapon in the terror, so that the masses will learn to live in the system.
Hey man, can you do a video on Boris Savinkov?
Honestly;between the civil war, the post civil war rebellions and the Czechoslovakian legion. It’s hard to believe that the continuously incompetent bad guys some how won.
It's because their enemies were infighting all the time. If the Whites, Blacks, Greens and Moderate Socialists & Communists would work, Lenin would be just another villan killed.
It's not incompetent, most of them are good in competency, they are just..brutal. Take a look at Tukhachevsky, Yegorov and Blyukher, they learnt that Soviet Military is outdated and is far from strong compared to other countries, so the 3 of 'em launched a Military Modernization, which is the main factor that led a victorious end in WW2 for the Soviets. While Trotsky is a man with big ideas, a visionary man and a great thinker. Lenin is a "little man with great desk", his ideas brought him to victory in the Revolution and Civil War, with his political strategy being the finest/the most effective at the time, marked as one of the greatest revolutionary leader, and working tirelessly for it, he fix everything that didn't go well in the Soviet during his leadership.
But there are 2 man that is brutal, and one was marked "as ruthless as any Bolshevik". That 2 guy is of course, obviously Lenin, who created the Red Terror with Dzerzhinsky, while the other one is the greatest Marshal of Soviet yet the most ruthless: Mikhail Nikolayevich Tukhachevsky. Tambov Rebellion brutally crushed with chemical weapons, and the Kronstadt? Well, Bombardment and Massacre throughout the entire city.
I would argue that the Whites were ALSO continuously incompetent...the Greens were simply not powerful enough...and the smaller nationalist movements were abandoned by other nations to fall to the Communists.
One could seriously fault Britain and France for failing to support the German supported governments post ww1.
Sheer numerical superiority and access to industry. Don't let the tankies tell you that Russia wasn't industrilize before Stallin, it had a massive industry in Moscow but with horrid woking conditions. Which is why Moscow citizens became the loyal support of the red army and were basically privilliged by the state getting food priority and most of their needs met before anyone else, so they were blindly fanatical.
@@rafaelglopezroman1110 It does have a massive industry, but most of Russia at the time didn't have good industry enough to categorized as industrialized, and most of the people in Russian Empire is a peasant who lived under poverty line and harsh conditions.
I think we can all agree that Walter Duranty was one of the first tankies. That douchebag was a Soviet sympathizer through and through.
Duranty helped to enable the deaths of millions.
I also despise Alexander Berkman and Emma Goldman. They were rightfully deported to Russia to see their pinko anarchism fall flat on their ass once the Bolsheviks took power, and both of them go "boo hoo I had no idea the USSR was this bad"
@@americancaesar4715They at least learned the error of their ways. Duranty knew what was happening and didn’t care. He was more than happy to cover up a genocide to keep his cozy position in Moscow. He was basically Stalin’s Goebbels
@@ZeroResurrected They didn't learn the error of their ways, they brought back their pinko politics back to the United States which we are suffering from today thanks to them
@@americancaesar4715 "They were rightfully deported to Russia to see their pinko anarchism fall flat on it’s ass"
First of all, the Soviet Union was never anarchist (even in the begining), it was always bolshevik. Secondly, Makhnovia (Ukrainian Anarchists) were one of the most succesfull armies of the Civil War and a stable anarchist society, helping the red army only to be betrayed by them. It never fell flat on it’s ass, it was shot in the head.
"They brought back their pinko politics back to the United States which we are suffering thanks to them"
I don’t know what you’ve been sniffing up your nose, but if you are implying that the Unites *States* of America is an *Anarchist* Society, then you’re just flat out wrong and stupid.
Also, you keep saying "pinko politics" when referring to anarchists, and when I search up "pinko", the only results are a fashion brand for women, so I’m going to assume what your drug-induced ramblings are have some sort of connection to anarchism being "feminine".
Which, I mean, it can be. The fight for freedom and equality doesn’t really have a strict definition of what it is. It can be feminine, manly, urban, rural, open, or underground, or any other adjectives that fit.
Ezekiel is one of the only countryball youtuber to actually do videos upon the Russian civil war him and Kraut's videos are very high quality sadly both of them don't get the attention they need
Funny how Kraut is a liberal while Ezekiel is a Libertarian very similar yet Worlds apart
@@goofymode8205 what are the differences between libertal and liberterian?
@@goofymode8205 No, Kraut himself describe his own political stance as social democrats.
I am glad Ezekiel covered this subject, since there are few CZcams videos that do.
@@williemherbert1456 oh i thought He wrothe smth like that in his Twitter bio idk
A video about Ungern-Sternberg would be cool, he and his campaigns in Siberia and Mongolia are both bizarre and interesting
Oh, another kino on Ungern-Sturnberg.
I support this and can confirm it was a lot like a fever dream.
there is a bit more to the kronstadts, petrograd itself also went up in protest. Their whole resolution to the moscow government was: In view of the fact that the present Soviets do not express the will of the workers and peasants, immediately to hold new elections by secret ballot, the pre-election campaign to have full freedom of agitation among the workers and peasants;
To establish freedom of speech and press for workers and peasants, for Anarchists and left Socialist parties;
To secure freedom of assembly for labor unions and peasant organizations;
To call a nonpartisan Conference of the workers, Red Army soldiers and sailors of Petrograd, Kronstadt, and of Petrograd Province, no later than March 10, 1921;
To liberate all political prisoners of Socialist parties, as well as all workers, peasants, soldiers, and sailors imprisoned in connection with the labor and peasant movements;
To elect a Commission to review the cases of those held in prisons and concentration camps;
To abolish all politotdeli (political bureaus) because no party should be given special privileges in the propagation of its ideas or receive the financial support of the Government for such purposes. Instead there should be established educational and cultural commissions, locally elected and financed by the Government;
To abolish immediately all zagryaditelniye otryadi (Bolshevik units armed to suppress traffic and confiscate foodstuffs);
To equalize the rations of all who work, with the exception of those employed in trades detrimental to health;
To abolish the Bolshevik fighting detachments in all branches of the Army, as well as the Bolshevik guards kept on duty in mills and factories. Should such guards or military detachments be found necessary, they are to be appointed in the Army from the ranks, and in the factories according to the judgment of the workers;
To give the peasants full freedom of action in regard to their land, and also the right to keep cattle, on condition that the peasants manage with their own means; that is, without employing hired labor;
To request all branches of the Army, as well as our comrades the military kursanti, to concur in our resolutions;
To demand that the press give the fullest publicity to our resolutions;
To appoint a Traveling Commission of Control;
To permit free kustarnoye (individual small scale) production by one's own efforts.
or in short they wanted a more down-up democratic communisim
As an anarcho communist I wish he would of succeeded
This is like communism, but with freedom... and it's disgusting.
@@directorsupremodelriodelap6422 what's funnier the kronstadts were the Red Army's equivalent of the German stormtroopers, hell Trotsky called them the "adornment and pride of the revolution"
As a libertarian socialist, it pains me so fucking much that Kronstadt was squashed. They ought to have succeeded
@@ssach7 maybe the soviet state would have turned out better maybe not, tho my equivalent to the kronstadts would be if the DNVP won over the NSDAP
They really loved coloured armies didn't they? Red Army, White Army, Black Army, Green Army
HERE COMES THE PINK ARMY
Lavender Army
The Ultimate Soviet Army will be the Rainbow Army.
gay army@@joaquimguilhermegomescabra9383
never a purple army
Hey Ezekiel is it possible that you do a series on the Chinese Civil war and/or the Spanish Civil in the future
Boy, do I have a video for you!
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He already has a Spanish civil war video but i would love to see a full series on it
İ say no.Not because I hate civil war stuff (which i don't)but i like his videos about Philosophy and İdeology and such.
I love the use of country balls for history. Adds a great visual for the script and is simple to look at. Thanks for all the hard work making these videos!
Ezekiel is probably one of the best history youtubers out here, it's a little sad he is barely known compared to other channels like EC and OSP or even compared to other high quality polandball youtubers like Kraut
@@TheIllcaster what's the reason for that
@@TheIllcaster What's so bad about him?
@@TEC6608 He does alright videos, but has some bad takes, like saying certain war crimes were justified.
No he not, he knows nothing about history and just repeat capitalist propaganda, same with kraut. Even worse kraut is friend with a Nazi.
@@ShiftySheriff2, can you provide some examples?
Funfact: Antonov was the first person to do a traditional drive by shooting out of a motor vehicle.
Edit: My mistake, I confused Antonov with Nester Mahkno, another famous Ukrainian from the civil war period.
2:54 honestly, that kinda reminds me of Feudalism, wherein as a serf or freeman, you’d give up a certain amount of your harvest to your Lord, along with other things, and then you’re allowed to keep the rest to do with as you please.
Of course this is different, instead of it being a feudal Lord or landowner, it’s the state.
serfs usually had more rights then these poor people sadly.
@@theofficialempire4610, which is pretty ironic, because many people initially supported the Bolsheviks so they could have more rights and better living conditions, and things just ended up being worse.
When you have to choose between soldiers at the front and peasants, the choice is small.
@@occam7382 Depending on the ages. The People had more rights in the Soviet after many reforms. While the Russian Empire didn't do anything to fix their problem, that's why they fall. The Bolshevik was the most competent people in the Russian Government at that time, why? Because both the Empire and Republic failed to stabilize their country, so the Bolsheviks took a chance to takeover the government and it ends victorious for them. The Bolsheviks was successful to stabilize the nation, but it's ironic that they are judged because of that, that they crushed the rebels to stabilize their newborn country while people mostly defend the Whites that failed to stabilize the Soviet and make a progress for better Russia.
@@iwaann_ Russia has been around as a monarchy of one form or another for about 400-500 years before it fell. If you count the separate principalities and the Kievan Rus, you can drag that back to almost 1000 years in fact. The Soviet Union existed for 80 years instead.
The issue here can't be better or worse conditions, because these entities existed in completely different eras with completely different ideas about good standards of living.
The fundamental issue was "do we want a stable political order that barely changes for hundreds years because there is greater emphasis on precedent and tradition, or do we want dynamic technological progression at the expense of all stability?
I just found your channel last week for it's Russian civil war stuff and I fell in love with it, this episode was a gift from the heavens!
I've been learning the Russian Revolution and civil war for school
and my teacher said that the Kronstadt sailors never actually wanted a fight
but wanted change because why would the have a rebellion in the
winter when their ships couldn't be as effective and the sailors
more fortified.
I feel like that fully shows the cruelty of the Soviets' because they
didn't want outside help or critique but instead wanted to purge
those who weren't loyal.
I think that if there was outside help, they would not refuse it.
If Kronstadt had succeeded, Russia could've become more liberal and instead of being communist could've been a semi-successful social democracy like Ukraine is today!
@@joelthorstensson2772 Social Democratic Ukraine??? Maybe you wanted to say "Figlandia" or "Sweden"?
Why did you write this like a poem
They got no outside help in the first place and they "purged" those un loyal bcs they were against them (surprise!)
The Kronstadt rebels were also anarchists themselves
I love learning about the
Russia history good video
Ezekiel's really underrated..
Loved your Russian Civil War with Country Balls videos.
All of which are deep in the events and easy to understand what happened retrospective.
The only time in all of communist Russia’s history that its economy was even slightly successful was when Lenin introduced Capitalist ideas. Lol
When people say about Holodomor as of ukrainian genocide it pisses me off. Not because I am denying it happened but because it was not targeted on Ukraine specifically. Famine happened in all agricultural regions of ussr. Ukraine was one of the most agricultural and it suffered a lot but other regions such as Volga, Don-Kuban and russian south also got a big hit. Two of my grandmother's brothers died of starvation living in Rostov region. You should not exclude them and the millions of other russians, belorussians, kasakhs and others.
The bolsheviks made the unreachable quotes and if you couldn't do them, all your food and animals will be confiscated. The Famine WAS on the hole USSR but were these also artificial? Ukrainians were one of the nationalities that identified themselves and that could hurt the USSR's "one soviet nation" structure. And the massive famine through out the country was a great excuse to confiscate the food from "malorosov" so they would not have the strength to fight. Perfect!
Yeah, the thing the starving regions had in common was that they were classified as net agricultural producers, and were thus expected to be able to feed themselves as well as produce a quota for the rest of the Soviet Union. The cruel mathematics of such a system is that if the quota is fixed and determined by expected rather than actual production, 100% of the shortfall is taken out of the fraction left over for you to feed yourself.
7:05 no comrade it’s not consecration camp it’s gulag. Entirely different,
This is an analogue of an American private prison.
@@wederMaxim I mean in the American prison system you aren't starved and forced to do hard labor at gun point but sure I guess it's the same
@@nikoclesceri2267 isn't the point of private prisons that prisoners work there in contrast to public ones?
@@wederMaxim yes, but unlike with gulags or consecration camps they are shot for not complying and aren't starved regardless. Plus, they are paid, though is only like 1.25 an hour but still it much more along the line of punishment than systematic extermination
Bullshit, it's lagyer.
Kronstadt rebels green chads and Whites vs Soviet fans
From Vicky 2 economic video, to these. Absolute gems, every video
Hey Ezekiel,can you do a video about the far eastern front and Bochkarev and Yakutia's success and Peplayev's downfall?
Amazing as always Ezekiel.
Great video! @CallMeEzekiel, do you guys think you’ll cover anymore philosophy or literature?
These rare stories are amazing!
I swear there’s a faction for the entire rainbow
Reds, Whites, Blacks now Greens
Now we still need the Yellows
@@shamusson And the Purples, and Blues....and Indigos I guess.
How many coloured Russian army’s are there it seems to never end
Whites, Reds, Blacks, Greens and many more
@@maruseyes1320 all some form of leftist except for the white army and other Russian nationalists.
your channel is underrated change my mind
Can you do a video of the Yakutia and Tungus and the white army national redoubt in Siberia
Ezekiel is one of those History CZcamsrs (like oversimplified) but actually really good and constant with uploads
Oversimplified isn't good?
@@raymay4929yes he is
So refreshing to finally find a youtube video essayist who isnt a communist psycophant 🙏🏻
Thank you for calling the soviet union for what it is, a evil nation. btw awesome video!
Ungern Khan, the liberator of Mongolia when
Great video
Anyone else want to see a WWII series?
Thanks for covering the Greens and Kronstadt Rebellion! I’d still love to hear about the Japanese and Green Ukraine, and maybe other smaller, less organized Green rebellions. You could also do concentration camps vs gulags (even tho they were super similar but still).
It is so great that you made a video on the green army , keep it up !
Thank you for your voice!
Your videos about russian civil war are my favorites on entire youtube! Your videos that are like "book i like vs george orwell book" are great videos too! I dont have much to say but i wanted you to know that you are doing a great job. Have a blessed day!
i am watching you alot now you are one cool dude
cool video
Thank you for this history. It needs to be known.
Good video
Good vid
Now Ungern von Sternberg?
It's time for the trve Black Baron
My father is from Moldova, and he told me that a few years after WW2, the Soviets started to pile every single village, with a politic that is only one among the village, like, more than 100 people say yes to the looting, and they looted the whole village and only the one that agreed was beneficted. Moving, in the 40s the Soviets did one of those lootings in the village where my father's uncle lived as a child, and the story is that his mother (of the uncle to male clear, is on him the story is focused) knew what was coming, and there wasn't much time to hide everything, so she hided a bag of beans, but she commited a terrible mistake of leting only ONE bean escape the bag. The man that said yes to the commies saw that bean, and as it was hidden behind the fireplace, he took the bag and destroyed the fireplace, and one thing that is important, they were close to a winter similar to what the Germans and French Napoleonic soldiers experienced (very cold) and my father's uncle family past not only hunger but excessive cold as well, and his (the uncle) mum cursed that man, and he past his remaining years of life in the bed, and my father knew of this when there was a funeral, qnd he didn't knew who that one was, and in those times and place, everybody knew each other in the village, and this is the story to explain the funeral that was tols him
Fun fact, off topic but yea. Today was the indepedence day of Republic of Moldova, happy birthday day, Moldova!🇷🇴🇪🇺💖🇲🇩
Romania is Moldova
Nice
Well done on this video, I love your drawing style of country balls!
I wonder if we had an pink narmy
00:41 Making the mother of all omelettes here Jack. Can't fret over every egg.
do the russian civil war siberian front
In conclusion the URSS was a mistake that shouldn't had happen
You still should cover Baron Ungern
Is probably the most legendary story out of the entire civil war, pretty sure he'll cover it at the end, since that's when it takes place, if he needs books about it then I'd suggest Beasts, Men and Gods, written by one of Ungern's own friends, Anthony Ossendowski, and The Bloody White Baron by Palmer
@@shamusson Palmer's book is extremely bad, it's heavily criticized by actual historians
@@nikolaiunzucced507 I also didn't like it as much, even though I haven't finished it yet, though Beasts Men and Gods much better imo
@@shamusson in my opinion Russian historians cover Ungern in much better way especially Kuzmin and Yuzefovich
@@nikolaiunzucced507 thanks for the suggestion
When one side is comically evil and the otherside is so self-serving to the point of being suicidal it makes it impossible to choose. The lesser of two evils was dependent more on location. Imagine being on the ground, if you were put in a situation were you had to side with either. Horrific, if you choose based on ideology in such a situation you'll end up someone's plaything then dead in a ditch.
You should do a video on the green Ukraine and the Siberian independence movements
Fun fact, the holodomor literally just means : “THE famine”
it literally means "hunger plague"
@@death_to_mpla1958 that’s because slavic languages use two words to form one word not previously used, there is no other word for “famine” in ukrainian than “holodomor” so holodomor literally means famine
TWO of the topics I wanted to see covered, LESGOOOO-
An apt way of seeing Russian history is with this one sentence
"And then things got worse"
Man good thing the situation got far better for the soviets
Quite interesting on how history repeated itself
i love your channel bro its amazing
Kids: Communism means we get food for free!
Me: At the expense of farmers and their families who made it fair and square to begin with.
at their expense in what way?
People were not getting food. They were starving.
Great content bro
Cool
And i was right this is about navy
Hey man I got a question for you. If you could only by one would you rather get storm of steel or mine were of trouble. They both seem like great books and I know you’ve read them both, so if you see this please recommend the better of the 2 options.
Hey I got 4 video for you Latvia war of independence or Lithuania or Estonia or Finland
Among hard core communists, the NEP or New Economic Policy is HIGHLY controversial. Under the NEP, Lenin and later Stalin tolerated some prices and some markets to exist. According to communists, the whole reason for the revolution was to abolish prices and yet here is Lenin taking the moderate position. Regardless, most reasonable historians agree that if Lenin had not moderated then Russia would have absolutely collapsed due to the incompetence of the communist economic system.
The Kronstadt Rebellion and the Green Army were not reactionary by any means. Both were Marxist, socialist movements but with a focus on more democratic government and a more equitable division of wealth. Members of the Communist party had all the luxuries of the world while the Peasants were struggling to feed themselves. "Meet your new boss, same as the old boss".
Communism is such a hard thing to get down especially right after a revolution, it's horrible so many people had to die. My only hope is with the next coming rezoning we learn from the past.
@@henrylootens6578 USSR've gone very fast to communism. And down. ( Why most of people only look at 20-50 years?)
@@hit8801 im a little confused on what you're asking
I’m not an hour late for once.
Half of the videos are the best thing ever half are confusing as pie
Very good video
YES
One mistake: at the the beginning of the video, you called the Russian sfsr the ussr
It’s weird how often sailors revolt
they have the best education usually
why was it called kronstadt? it's pretty much german with the meaning crown city
It was founded by peter the Great. Same guy who founded St. Petersburg, also a city with a German name. He was that weird, 17th-century combination of authoritarian monarch and passionate moderniser, and back then Germany was at the cutting edge of modernity- most of his education on sciences and industry were written in german, for instance.
So he gave his new cities German names to make them sound more modern.
berkman and goldman. interesting
why us 75% of the dialoge hard to read, grammer wasnt included
4:21 The Bolshevik negotiator sent to Kronstadt was not Trotsky, but Kalinin, whose face appeared to be a bit similar to Trotsky's. 😳
Gee if something is sure then that is that Ezeki reaaaly doesnt like socialists
He praised makhno in a video which is lib soc
To commit mutiny during a war and try to give over an important naval base to the enemy tends to come with a risk of getting oneself killed or imprisoned, should ones mutiny be overmanned. Killing soldiers who mutiny and try to hand over naval bases to the enemy does not make a general evil for doing it, it is part of the job description of being a general. To not stop mutineering soldiers from handing naval bases to enemies would make one a very bad general.
I have no doubt that the Kronstadt rebels acted of desperation from the horrible situation that was the russian civil war. Nonetheless, their rebellion was an idiotic tragedy.
I :gun: statism
Berkman and goldman were born in russian empire. In this video they are showed like americans...
Ах да, моё любимое слово, Смертьуржуямь
Was the holodomor a genocide?
No.
It was a famine, disputed to be or not be intentional.
@@someguyand...whatever23 I see although ask a Ukrainian nationalist that and they will give a different answer.
It was.
@@k.umquat8604 There is no consensus on that matter by historian so you could be right or wrong.
@@k.umquat8604 it wasn't
A comment
bro huh !?
Russia should have kept the Tsars. Saved itself a lot of trouble.
no..
We would all be speaking german
It is inapropriate to call a country evil. Even Nazi Germany cannot be called that way. There is no such thing as good or evil in politycs!
0:20 pretty sure it wasn’t man made just to kill ukrainians, killed people in the volga (russians) and western Kazakh regions too
4:14 wat
Once again my day was Quite bad till now now its becomeming great
Why I am the seventh comment and the 200th view
Since I’m early let me make a joke
Soviet agriculture
Edit: also in before anyone can watch the whole video
The Kulaks were Landlords, not hard working pesants
You need to start citing your sources. Both books and other content creators.
1. Traffic generated by your viewers to other videos is part of the social media engagement that most platform are desperate for, and might help you get recommended a bit more.
2. Credibility/academic integrity It looks like you want your format to be a short essay about a topic, bundled with cool art and interesting anecdotes for storytelling. Not a "top 5 cool moments of XX war"
When you make a statement which might not be totally accurate or goes against preconceived notions of one viewer, it discredits you and your work. Not having any sources to back it up or to explain where the falsefood comes from makes you look bad/naive.
ex: In your "The Czechoslovak Legion Part 2" you write " to much fanfare general Janin arrived with his army, of exactly 0 soldiers"
Which is plainly wrong and sounds like the usual retarded french bashing, and erase the facts that:
- Janin and the black sea fleet of the french navy had fought alongside the greeks to take the balkans
- Kolchak was considered a puppet of the british (according to janin's letters and french INT), and denekine an idiot.
- The CZ officers who took kolchak claimed to be acting on Janin's orders
- French troops landed in odessa and sebastopol in december 1918 and will be part 4 month push from the balkans to ukraine and crimea, that will end because of huge logistical issues due to the decomissionned civilian navy and the use of colonial troops (senegalese soldiers were not prepared for the russian winter) and A FUCKING COMMUNIST MUTINY OF MOST OF THE FRENCH NAVY involved in this region. ("Black sea mutiny" relatively well documented in france)
Janin was hella fat, sure, but he was not without troops. There was a lot going on, and you just dismissed it, which makes it easy for a viewer to just dismiss your work/opinions as naive/undocumented/propaganda from the perfidious Albion.
Now if you had added that the source was Dr jonathan Smele a BRITISH lecturer (ewww), it would have made it much easier to understand where the falsehood comes from (from England like most lies lol).
Like, if i tell you i'm french, doesn't this comment makes more sense? Would you quote a Chinese on US economy without saying where the quote comes from?
3. The viewers interested in the subject or one of the themes of the video will have an easier time finding stuff.
Consider adding your books-sources as an amazon affiliate link? (idk how much you can make but hey!)
PS: I like your vids no hate pls
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@Chef movkta Jesus christ people, it would be funny if it was under a video that doesn't already discuss intellectual topics but there that's just not the case here and he actually makes a good point.
If i am not mistaken, the holodomor was not a man-made famine as such (every famine can be considered if not enough is done to alleviate it). It was a famine, yes. It was terrible, yes. But it affected ethnic russians and kazhaks even more than the ukrainians.
+there was a famine in Poland. In independent Poland.
It was a combination of natural and man made, the soviets undoubtedly had a hand in the famine tho
@@dudenamedecho by mismanagement yes, but as far as I know there is no proof for it being deliberate
@@lathalassa Probably was, at least partially, ukrainians were a particularly reactionary and anti revolutionary peoples so it made sense to weaken them. I have seen evidence for both sides
@@dudenamedecho thanks for this point, i never even thought of it. But if they deliberately weakened the ukrainians with withholding help from the famine, then that is a serious hit against what i think about the soviet union. (not that that is very important)
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All Power to the Soviets!!!!*
*Communist Party.
The Bolshevik government was appalling!
all communists country were appalling