The Wu State of Ancient China and Sun Tzu
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- This week we delve back into the mists of ancient times to look at the State of Wu from the Spring and Autumn Period. Although they didn’t last long, the Wu State had a major impact on the development of the culture of the Jiangsu-Zhejiang-Shanghai region. There are a few Wu periods in Chinese history. Today we will also try to sort them all out.
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China. What a magnificent piece of land. Very mysterious yet wise.
Great respect for the excellent pronunciation of Chinese names and place names!!! Makes the maps come alive! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
He does such a great job! Thanks for acknowledging that! Listening to his podcast has helped me in my studies and especially when it comes to pronunciation.
I think recent studies suggest Yue people/peoples mostly did not come from Southeast Asia. Rather, their descendants (mostly the Tai peoples) migrated into Southeast Asia relatively recently (maybe around 9th to 11th century). It is safe to even suggest that Yue peoples were indigenous to neolithic southeastern China. Being a sister group of indigenous Taiwanese, the Yue peoples got progressively assimilated by Austroasiatic and then Sinitic cultures. The Liangzhu state would have existed before the split of Austronesian language and Kra-Dai language, it would have been a major proto-Austronesian state in continental Asia, and it does demonstrate neolithic northeast Asia influence.
But modern people say that Taiwan indigenous peoples are ancestors of Polynesians. Current
Yue Chinese dialects are not Polynesian languages. ?!
This guy does a great job. I enjoy his pronunciations. He and Chris from HotW podcasts are my favorites. Besides you of course! :-)
Andrew Boehmer they are both so awesome!!!!!!
This coming from a European Boemhauer name? WTF do you know about Chinese pronunciation?
This is the first video that I have seen from this channel. Wow! Very well presented, enjoyed it immensely. Really appreciate the the knowledge that's being imparted here.Thank you,this has been my bestest random pick for this week
What are your thoughts on this awesome episode by the China History Podcast?
Bob so I’m horrible at pronouncing words like that and I’m not going to lie his podcast has helped me a lot. I’ll look at a word, pronounce it, listen to how he pronounces it and then I hate myself for five seconds, hahahaha!
I follow the CHP podcast. What I like is that Lazlo has this perfect pacing, balancing details with brevity. He's great for advanced beginners who are roughly familiar with the timing and locations of Chinese history but still lack the ground level feel of a very distinct and unique civilization.
Seems really good.
Sun Tzu was a better planner, tactician, and strategist then actual fighter and war handler
🎶🎶♫ Are you with me Doctor Wu ♫ Are you really just a shadow of the man that I once knew ♫
I have a few questions. The sword of Goujian was found in a tomb in Jiangling County in the province of Hubei along with a skeleton. My first question is, is the skeleton confirmed to be that of King Goujian himself? And if so, I refer back to any political map I have ever seen of that period. Jiangling County is WELL within Chu territory by at least 400km. And that's just to the border of Wu. Its even farther to Yue. What gives? Why was the sword of King Goujian and possibly King Goujian himself, assuming that is his tomb, buried in a different and quite possibly hostile state?
Is it so, Japan hails some of its ancestors from this specific region? Altho others speak of regions including a passage through inner Mongolia
Is there any proof that Sun Tzu existed?
Or is he like Homer?
In the words of the authors Martin West and Richard Tarnas,
"A fictitious or constructed name"
"a collective embodiment of all ancient memory."
Fernando rocha: First ask, is “The Art of War” a compilation or a coherent text?
Yes, he was a real person. There were several history records mentioned him by name. According to "Shi Ji" (Historical Records), he brought 13 chapters of his military theories to the King of Wu around BC 512, and led the army of Wu with General Wu Zixu conquered the capital of Yue State around BC 506. "Shi Ji" also wrote a very brief biography of him.
Another very interesting thing is that he was a great strategist but probably not very good at being a general. In history records, he alway joined the battle with General Wu Zixu and never led an army of his own.
The Art of War from Sun Tzu has been studied since it was written. If anyone that might now about a Chinese movie I saw a few yrs back but can not remember the name. It was an Excellent movie where it always seemed like General Sun Tzu was within the opposing armies grasp to finish him off, but General Tzu fought off his army starving, succumbing to disease, to him becoming victorious at the end by some genius military tactics. One of the best movies I ever saw!
Mayz - I kinda disagree with you about him not being a capable General as he had to be better than average or even good to defeat a larger army, even if he joined General Wu Zixu, they still had to agree to pull a Mohammad Ali Rope A Dope by drawing the opposing army away from both attacking the King of Wu as well as dictating where to fight the enemy from an advantage, by splitting up his & Gen Zixu’s smaller armies to deceive, bait, trap & destroy a much larger army. That’s from what I learned, but I defer to you & your knowledge about that. If you may happen to know about an awesome movie about that war, I assume, I think it’s the one I saw yrs ago & one of my favorites, I just wish I remembered the name. PS. Gen Qi from late Ming Dynasty who fought off Japanese Pirates, depicted in God of War was Incredible as well!!
Sun Tzu lived during the Zhou Dynasty. State of Wu was founded by one of the family royal of Zhou dynasty. State of qin,han,Wei,qi,Jin,Zhu,etc..all of them came from the Zhou dynasty
Im thai of chinese descent (teochew). Thanks for history lesson😊
Han majority &. Thai etc.minorities have migrated to various SE Asia countries’into 20 th century.
Wu still exists. The people around Shanghai speak Wu dialect.
Pronunciations of Mandarin are different among the regions of China. People in Nanjing (in the Wu area) say that people from Beijing and Tanjing “lisp”. (As an Anglophone, I agree with that assessment.)
Don’t they speak it in Suzhou too?
Can u lecture on the origin of the Chinese?
Masada2: which thread of their ancestry? Denisovan? Neanderthal? Australian Aboriginal?
Zoe Porphyrogenita - I would like to know where the Chinese originated. I will say right off I believe in a Flood and a dispersal of tribes from Mesopotamia in all directions to populate the earth some 4500 years ago.
Masada2: Noah and his wife must have been very different in appearance, to have both white and black children.
Masada2 wasn’t there a theory that each continent was spread through by one descendent
@@masada2828 that Noah flood thing was absolute bullshit. There are prehistoric cultures unrelated to the Near East that are older than 5000 yrs old. The Chinese Xia, Andean Civilization, and so many more names I cant name on top of my head.
where do you get this map program? It looks much better than geachron. I would be willing to pay real money for more accurate maps of china from this period.
Michael Braeutigam I think that one is done by Olliebye.
Man. I love traditional music of humanity. Every single civilization used to make beautiful and unique music. Now a days its very corrupt and weaponized for propaganda to control and destroy the masses. I often listen to old music. Dean Martin being one of my favorites. But older than that. I like alot of guys. Hard to remember all their complicated names haha
might we get subtitles pls??
Modern Chinese dialect
callled Wu is spoken in Shanghai City Zhejiang Province,,S 1/2 of
Juangsu Province.
See Wikipedia Wi dalect articke.’You Tube has instruction & demo Wu diaject videos
pop & folk music & song, folk opera videos.
Wu in own dialect is pronounced
as NG or NGEU.
The swedish k isn't always sh BTW. But if it's followed by y,ö,ä,i and sometimes e. It's a weird thing.
what the fuck does this specifically have to do with Sun tzu?????
battle of chang ping please？
Anyone hear been down the yellow river?
Once in the 80s, but I did not enjoy it 😂
What is song at start of video?
This is swag
do you think your wu tang sword can defeat me?
En garde, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style
I loved this episode, it was very informative. One of the most beautiful classical cultures. If you’re interested in learning more about Chinese Western history and culture in bite size pieces, and learn a little language, I cannot recommend the following channel enough. czcams.com/channels/q_XZvioP08u6TRfAZpNdwg.html
我非常喜欢这一段，很多知识点。 最美丽的中国传统文化的一部分。 碎片化的从点到面了解更多关于中国西方历史和文化的知识，并且学习一些中英文，那么我义不容辞要推荐这个频道。
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Read kingdom
Šiñ?
Did Classical Chinese sound like modern Chinese?
more like fujian dialect
@@johanqian1858 Sun Tzu books was written for Ngu Goh/ State of Wu where the official language was Wu Chinese. Wu chinese conquered the southern part of China thus obviously influenced southern dialects. Wu readings was the earliest form of Chinese readings adopted by Koreans and Japanese. In Japanese, there are 3 form of Kanji readings and the earliest reading is Go-on (Wu sounds/Wu readings). So Classical chinese certainly not like fujian dialects.
@@johanqian1858 No, it does not. Fujian dialect sounds very modern.
If you ask me, Classical Chinese sounds more like the modern Khmer language rather than any variety of modern Chinese. You can easily tell the Austroasiatic influence.
@@mikewallice2795 Wu did not conquer the southern part of China, only the area around the Yangtze River Delta. And Wu people was not Sinitic, but indigenous tribes such as Gong-Wu/Gou-Wu (Old Chinese: Krong-Ngwaa, Krok-Ngwaa) ruled by a Sinitic aristocracy from the Yellow River region. The Japanese did take a set of Kanji reading from the Eastern Wu, which is a different state from the earliest Wu kingdom (Eastern Wu is a splinter state from the Han Empire). Hokkienese dialects split from Old Wu/Ngo in the medieval times due to Sinitic Wu-Yue migrations into Fujian.
Your pronunciation is great. Just take care of the ‘d’s and ‘t’s. They are not pronounced as hard as in English. More like Italian or Spanish presentations.
are you over emphasizing many consonants intentionally?
You should check out wenzhou history. Only part of wu culture that wasn't really conquered not even during ww2 from Japan except from CCP. The area always join the winning emperors etc.. Not conquered. Also first place in China to have private business after the revolution.