The Muncie Tapes - Part 4 - How to Assemble and rebuild a Muncie 4 Speed Transmission
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- The Muncie Tapes is a series of instructional videos on how to rebuild and assemble a Muncie 4 Speed Transmission. This part deals with the final assembly of the transmission.
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Fantastic build quality. All four of your videos are premier quality tutorials.. I hope to have YOU build my M20.. thanks again.
Brian.
Recently got my M21 reassembled, and boy what a fantastic help this video series and your 661 store have been. And i struggled a bit on things you made look easy, but it all did go very well. Had to replace more things than I'd planned on, even bought a small press to get the job done. One thing I ended up doing that made a difference, when dropping my main shaft in I kept having issues getting the keys in the hub to line up with the slots in the ring. I just couldn't see any of it once they got close. I ended up using a sharpie to make marks on the hub where the keys were, and on the brass ring where I could still see them once the shafts got close. Worked like a charm. Should be back in the car this week. Thanks again Paul :)
This is most likely the nicest cleanest 4 speed I've ever seen Thanks Paul.
17:00 I like the way you ghosted into the scene.
As a tech of 20yrs and now an auto service instructor, it makes me so happy to hear you talk about torquing bolts and not just hammering them with an impact.
Man, I cannot, thank you enough for being as detailed as you were doing these. videos totally saved me. Thank you.
Thank You, you are a true professional and a great teacher. I rebuilt quite a few Muncies back in the 60's and I was pretty handy at it back then, I'm going to rebuild one for a friend and thought I better take a refresher course. Now I'm ready to go, I'm looking forward to it. Once again, I extend to you a very sincere Thank You.
I didn't buy you a cup of coffee, but I really enjoyed all four the Munsey tapes and how you explained the process. Thank you very much!
I yesterday completed my M20 rebuilt. New gears, new gaskets and seals, new slip yoke, it is like new. Thank you very much for your great instructions, tips and tricks!
Appreciate it
Awesome spreading the knowledge! Been about 40 yrs when I did my first one and i havent done a Muncie in 30+ yrs. Now i've got to go thru one in my old hot rod...THANK YOU.
Just finished rebuilding my first trans, thank you so much for this series 🤙🏼
This series brought back memories of my 69 Mach 1 and 70 Boss 302 Mach 1. Both had top loaders which I totally rebuilt when I was 18/19 years old back in 1974/75. I enjoyed this very much. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. I would like to see a rebuild on a Detroit soft locker, maybe in the way future. Thanks again.
Thanks for sharing
You are the man Paul! Much appreciated more than you know, again, the attention to detail any emphasis on torque settings and not doing anything half-ass making it nice and clean and professional shows the true expert that you are! I will go to your website and purchase something right now just because I appreciate everything that you do :-)
Thank you. Getting your order out right now!
Now that I've finished watching Part 4, I'm going to go back and watch all of them again. I've read your book twice, so I have a lot of confidence now at rebuilding my Muncie M21. I know it will be a success. Thank you very much Paul! Enjoy all that coffee......LOL
Great series! Transmission looks great!!! Well built!!!
Enjoyed all the Muncie videos and learned a lot. I will for sure be using these tips when I build my next muncie.
Wow it came out super awesome! Thanks Paul for documenting the whole build.
Thank you
Thanks very much Paul, enjoyed all 4 Muncie Tapes. Stay healthy!
You as well.
Thank you so much for this! I just got an M20 and this has been a life saver in rebuilding it for my project car.
Thanks so much Paul. Loved the Muncie series. I put in my order for the books.
Thanks for your support.
Part. 4 was a book of knowledge im going to attempt my first build thanks agian
Always love watching your videos....sooooo meticulous with great attention to details!!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
I just watched all 4 videos, I enjoyed them all! Well done sir! Youre a great teacher!
Thanks for watching!
We thank you Paul, for making amazing content for us. Another great video💖💖💖👏👏👏
Thank you for your support and the coffee!
This is gold, beautiful insight, I love and respect your work
Thank you
What a great informative series thanks Paul! 👊
My pleasure!
Thank you so much for that great videos !
I am going to rebuild my Muncie 4 speed for my 66 C2 hopefully this winter and I am definitely will order all the necessary parts from you !
Glad to help
Paul outstanding book and videos. Thank u for all the help u gave me with ordering the parts to rebuild my M20. I finished it today and it even spins. Ur awesome Brother......ISH
Invaluable info Paul, loved the whole series! I'll be going through my Muncie and Hurst Comp with your recommendations and upgrades and these videos and your book to guide me. Thanks for taking the time and sharing your insights!
Thank you
Brother thats a beautiful build.
"The devil is in the details" - and the level of detail is what makes this video series so interesting. Thanks, Paul - much appreciated. :-)
Many thanks!
Great videos!!! Thanks a lot, Paul! Just finished putting my Muncie together.
Fantastic!
Awesome job Paul
I just watched all four, these are fantastic videos.
Thanks for watching. Hope you subscribed
Great series!
Thanks for sharing the Muncie Tapes with us. As always a well done & concise video.
Stay Real.
Glad you like them!
Very cool, I got to hang out with Paul at lunch again today. Paul, thanks for doing this series; it was well done and very edutaining (educational/entertaining).
Glad you enjoyed it
well finished m22w build last weekend followed your book and videos took my time ,left my impact in my toolbox and transmission turned out great no leaks spins nice and smooth ,put in my 83 f100 with a olds 455 motor just have to go and get a u joint and ready for a test drive ,thanks to you for all the help and keep up the great work if it wasnt for your videos i might not have done this myself .
Nice work!
I really enjoyed the tapes sir! Very very informative! I’ve got your book, and with the videos… who knows i may get brave enough to try it! Thanks again! I hope you got the coffees!
Appreciate it very much thank you
got the u joint in took the truck for test ride ,shifts nice and smooth like the new m22w gears hardly can hear the transmission thanks again for all the help cant wait to do another
Good to hear
Thank you trans came out smooth as silk and I am an master ase mechanic and tips are very helpful
Great video series, Paul. That transmission is now essentially "blueprinted." I'll bet it's the slickest shifting four speed ever!
We shall see
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!!!
A great thing living in Florida, take a break at the beach after a tough day building Muncies! Thank you Paul for this super series.
Great series, Paul. I always learn something from your videos. Thank you for taking your time to film and edit these. I ordered your book special. I don't have a Muncie (I have a T5), but I look at the books like buying another tool for the garage. I might not need the tool right now, but I will at some point. Thanks again.
Reply I don't think the ordering system went live yet. So please check your PayPal
OUTSTANDING set of videos. Certainly wish this transmission was mine. Lol
Thanks Paul !
Good stuff Paul. Small details count big time!
Thanks 👍
Great videos! I am getting ready to rebuild my 3rd Muncie. I Always watch your videos ahead of time to refresh my memory. I also have your excellent book. One tip I have is that I use my Craftsman Workmate table for assembly. The table opens up for the input shaft to go through and you can bolt or clamp it down. Nice sturdy work surface to work on if you don't have the custom fixture.
The fixture I use is in the video. You must have skipped part 4
@@GearBoxVideo Sorry, my comment was meant for the DIY regular guy watching this who doesn't have your cool fixture. I did watch all the videos.
Cool. Sounds interesting
Nice!! Great series... :-)
A great name for the series. An excellent series. I watch all your videos. I know I will learn something from each video. Am surprised you did not say impact guns are not to be used on assembly of ANY quality component. .
Awesome work... :-)
Thanks for sharing great video's
Glad you like them!
This is really what youtube is all about!
Happily driving down the road in my Cobra replica I suddenly loose 2nd and 3rd gear...
WFT???
As a novice I feared mucho $$$ were going to be spent in repairs of my M22 (and who can even fix that here in Sweden). Also not being able to use the car all season... Very sad!
So after some googeling the gearboxvideoguy shows up and explains exactly what was going on.
Luckily my car has a little door right were the lid for the shifter forks is so I didnt even have to drop the gearbox.
In less than an hour, I had fished out all the stuff that had fallen into the case. Welded a washer to the bolt that had fallen out and put everything together and I got a well needed gearbox oil change as a bonus!
And as I couldnt take my eyes of any of the videos I also learned what the Muncie gearbox was all about and can enjoy the whine it makes even more.
So thanks a bunch for making these videos!
Appreciate the comment
All 4 series were great, I learned a lot, I feel more comfortable now with my build. Thanks
Great to hear!
Your book is my bible !!!
very good information
Thanks Chris
Lately there seems to be a mind set or trend that people expect me to respond to rebuild questions or any question for that matter immediately , on the weekend, within a day etc. Then they proceed to threaten me with unsubscribing or taking their business elsewhere because I didn't respond to their demands when they expect me to. First I do not care for rude people. As a person who has a 43 year old business trust me I won't loose sleep and your silly comments are deleted and future comments blocked. So here is a tip. If you have a question that is so important to you and that needs attention the last place you want to do that is on a platform that I get hundreds of comments a day on my 90 plus videos. Take the time and go onto my website which has my email address and phone and contact me. This info is in all of my videos. How did people get so lazy?
well said!
One word sums it up. Millennials.
Welcome to the new world, I enjoyed your videos sir and look forward to watching many more.
Your location at your business please, Davidmerriott sr
Watched your videos and they were GREAT!! Wish I found you about 3 years ago would have saved me a rebuild. Bought a rebuilt M21 close ratio off of ebay and my project hit a stopping point and when I finally finished the build, found out that the CLOSE ratio is actually a WIDE ratio, so need to rebuild my REBUILT tranny. Two questions; 1) where do you get the Italian gear set that you recommended and 2) Where do you have your kits listed?
Please take the time to read the video description I post everything there. Thank you
your trans cases always have a nice patina to the aluminium
Paul, I just finished all four parts of The Muncie Tapes. Your attention to detail is second to none. Awesome series! Any plans to do a Saginaw 4 Speed rebuild? I think you were also planning a rebuild kit for the Sag too, right?
Yes I am working on that
"Be Kind - Rewind!" Sorry, worked in video store for years, the thumbnails really get me!
I actually had a VHD then DVD AR one time
Your attention to detail is very much appreciated! What is your take on ceramic bearings? Worth the cost? Performance gains? If so, would you consider having them made for the Muncie? Thank you!
Cost is not worth it. I don't see the gain
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
Thank you so mutch i like your videos,, Could you please make a video for nissan 370z gearbox rebuild especially Synchro issues .
Send me one. I don't have any
do the shift forks need to be orientated in any particular way
I have looked at your inventory on 5speeds for quite a while now and you are out of M22W or Z gear sets, but I noticed they are soon back in stock? I have a M20 3925660 case and I want to convert it to a M22. These videos are super valuable and helpful.
We are in the process of making our own gear sets. The Italian gears have been problematic with delivery and they keep on getting pushed back. I was told now late June. I have really given up on dealing with them. It's not a dependable company and if you have a breakage issue you are going to have issues trying to get replacement parts so more than likely I will be dropping the line
@@GearBoxVideo Thank you for your reply. That sounds awesome. Cant wait until you get some sets ready.
Cheers
LOVED the 4-Part Muncie Tapes!! Question: would the info in these Tapes, translate to the rebuild of the M20 in my 1968 Corvette 327/350?
Yes it would.
I've been watching your videos a ton (great videos) and I've started my rebuild using them and the book of yours. I got a threaded Auto Gear input shaft like the original shaft and it came with a sealed bearing. Should I use the input shaft bearing that came in your kit or the sealed bearing from Auto Gear? Even then do I still use the oil slinger? Thanks for the help and keep the awesome videos coming!
Did you get a case from them? If you have use the sealed bearing with no slinger. If you are using it in a standard case you must use the bearing that came in the kit. Autogear inputs move the cone in more so sometimes using a slinger can lock the unit up . Put with stock case most of the time it works fine with it.
@@GearBoxVideo thanks for the quick reply. Yep I have their case too. Thanks for the info, that helps a lot Keep up the great work/videos
So use the sealed bearing and not the bearing on the kit. No slinger
Thank you for these videos! I also own your book. I’m about to build a m22 Syracuse transmission from auto gear. I have a question in regards to the forward reverse idler gear. Do you still recommend grinding a 45 degree chamfer on the front side of this gear? I see in your book yes, but did not notice it in this video series.
Thanks!
The newer idlers do not need to be ground
Will you ever do a video to rebuild a srod or T170FS trans? Im having a hard time finding how to guides on the trans.
Yes.. when somebody gives me one.
Hey paul i have a 4 speed muncie on my 67 camaro and it has a older style 4 speed hurst comp shifter and it gets stuck in gears what do you recomment i do should i replace all the bushings and get new compression spacers or what do you recommend its on my muncie and the bottom gates feel loose ?
Contact me. My info is at www.5speeds.com
I recently rebuilt a muncie using your book, videos, and some parts I ordered from you. It seems like it takes a bit more force to go into gears than prior to the rebuild. I'm sure the parts have not mated yet as I only have about 5 miles on it. Is there any way to speed up the break in process or should I just drive it until the parts mesh together?
Make sure you have a good clutch release and shift it easy.. You need to let rings break into the gears
Hey man love the videos, they have been a huge help, but i have a few questions... i have a bw t-10, im boring the case for the larger 1" cluster pin, and also plan on running a muncie m22 gearset, is there any reason you think that it wouldnt work?
Yes. The Muncie set is much longer overall
@@GearBoxVideo thanks for the reply man, and yeah i saw that once i got the gearset, no biggie my buddy is going to buy them from me, ill shoot you an email i have a few other questions if you wouldnt mind
No front oil seal? Thanks for the videos.
Correct. Factory Muncies had no front seal.
I noticed there’s no front seal in the bearing retainer, just curious if munice transmissions don’t use them, unlike a ford toploader that does. Thanks
No front seal. No case vent
I have read a lot about Muncie transmissions getting hung in reverse or in two gears. is there a way to free up the it up without have to pull the transmission?
Yes go under the car and move the levers back into neutral
ładnie ale może pokażesz automatyczne skrzynie biegów ?
Hay guy, when you put the side cover on is any particular reason you leave the trans in second? Thx
The 1-2 fork needs to clear the Rev idler boss
I’m looking to rebuild my M22 transmission what do you recommend for a weekend cruiser ? I would also like to drive it on the freeway .
Be specific as to what you are asking. You already have a transmission. What are you actually looking for? Gear ratio change? I need to know your actual car and your plans
Paul I see a grove in the reverse shifter shaft is this going on the grove or inside the groveof the reverse gear or has that no mening?
The shafts always get grooved. Usually a few won't matter.
I have a question for you Sir. I know that a complete Muncie weighs about 75 pounds. Do you have a small hoist or hydraulic table jack you use to remove the rebuilt transmission from your fixture and put them on your work bench? Or do you just "man handle" them? I'm sure lifting 75 pounds all the time can get rough.
Right now I pick them up. I have a hydraulic lift cart, but space is too tight for the cart right now.
You have a new subscriber! After reading some of the commits, I feel like I'm out of my league. Regardless, I need help. I have a Borg Warner T10 4 speed that I had rebuilt for a 1967 Mustang I have been restoring. The transmission shop put the wrong speedometer gear in the transmission, and the speedometer runs backward. This Muncie transmission appears to be the same basic puppy. My questions are, can I pull the tailshaft off and replace the speedometer gear without pulling the transmission? Do you sell any parts I may need for it?
Thank you much!
No, pull the transmission. Do the work. Not worth short cutting . Thanks a bunch for the subscribe!
experience shows paul i see you chamfer the socket so the tangs for the retaining bolts dont get compressed and makes easy to pull them down and no marks on the case
You caught that!
keep up the good work thanks for the reply and watching a second time i paid more attention to the front bearing coned locknut and how it works as a pump
pretty ingenious that thinking cheers from victoria australia always good to learn@@GearBoxVideo
Hi! Thanks for sharing these videos. They are very helpful. I have a question about my 1995 BMW E36 318ti manual transmission. It is Getrag. When I release the clutch in first gear, I hear loud grinding noise and gear slips out into the neutral. Sometimes when I shift it hard and quick, it doesn't give that trouble. I can pick it up in second gear without that issue. And also when I shift into the first I don't feel entering mechanism like I feel in other gears. I bought this car recently and it had been a non runner for a few years. I replaced the clutch and flywheel with used ones I had with me. Slave cylinder was bled. Few days back I changed the shifter gaiter. That time I had to pull the shifter thoroughly. After that the problem was OK for several times. Then again it started the previous habit. The car has done more than 300000 miles. Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks and regards
Sounds like a worn shift fork
@@GearBoxVideo Thanks for the reply. That means it have to be rebuilt?
Of course
@@GearBoxVideo Thanks.
Great deal on your books- too bad I already have them
Paul, I have a M22 out of a big block Chevelle and it's going into a Pontiac. I'm looking for a tail housing for it with speedo on the drivers side. Its the fine spline M22. Just looking for a casting number so I know what I'm looking for.
See www.5speeds.com/casting.html
@@GearBoxVideo Apparently they never made one for the drivers side.
Please take the time to completely read the details of the page I gave you the link for. YES they did.
@@GearBoxVideo I only see one 32 spline housing and that's the one I have. All the rest are 27 spline. Am missing something.
If you are trying to build a period correct restoration then you need to the correct parts and convert over. Otherwise simply get a speedo cable extender or a cable from a 70 Chevelle which will be the correct length and work in the Pontiac
Hey @Paul ! What do you think of the new Tremec TKX 5 Speed transmission?!? Good video btw :)
I will be doing a video on one end of the month. The current ones that were released for "press" are not production transmissions..I think they listened and it's going to be an awesome product.
@@GearBoxVideo Thanks man! I can't wait to see it! I'm still looking for an affordable 5 speed, but this may tip the balance if it's that good and it gets your recommendation!
Paul, I bought a T10 recently and after looking at it I noticed in Sharpie it has Tex Roller written on it. My question is, is there a way to determine it is a roller without pulling the main shaft? It is not a dog box it has Synchros if that makes any difference. Thanks Brian
Usually you can see the bearings thru the oil feed slots of the speed gears
@@GearBoxVideo thank you I will check.
I woud like to order the 2 books but they dont send these to Belgium that is a pity
I like your video's a lot I learnd a lot
The book special is USA only. Because it is free shipping. I can figure out a shipping cost to you if you would like
@@GearBoxVideo Yes you may give me an estimate shipping or by mail Thanks
These are some very well done videos. One question. How much horsepower/ Torque would you say these Muncie's handle in a street car setup? I have an M21 in a Camaro.
There is no way to rate a transmission that is over 50 years old. I always say they were rated for their intended use
@@GearBoxVideo Thanks
Hmm, I built a '70 LS6 (454 + .030" = 460 cuin, Moldex crank, 11.25 compression, Lambeth balanced, 530+HP on the ground on dyno-tires slipping) in '72 Z28 and the Muncie has never let me down, can't say the same for my poor pinion gear though. The 4-speed Muncie is tough, except now it's jumping out of second-oh well that's why I'm here...
@@jimpeeden2004 So if your car is making 530 to the ground on a chassis dyno then your probably somewhere in the low 600's brake hp. Was your Muncie torn down and freshened up? The transmission in this Camaro looks very clean so Im guessing it was rebuilt.
What most don't understand is that the transmission is loaded differently depending on the rear gear and tires. Basically the newer built M22 style gear boxes work well with no more than 650HP. But if you drop the clutch at 6500 RPM with a 3.08 rear and slicks, don't expect it to live long.
Hey Paul, is there a shelf life to the printed gaskets?
That's a good question, but I haven't seen any issues with gaskets that have been on our shelves for over a year. That's why we have shrink wrapped on heavy cardstock.
What are your thoughts on permatex as a sealant? my dad taught me to use for almost everything
What I kind of Permatex?
@@GearBoxVideo i am sorry I meant to add "indian head shellac compound" just on paper gaskets only, I bought rebuild kit before I found YOU.....damn it. But all fitments are good like in your videos. Had to order new reverse case gears so I am on hold assembling
Indian Head is old school. Silicone or aneurobic sealants are better
What is the build stand being used on the bench? Thanks.
It's just an old transmission stand for a 6-speed that I modded to fit a four-speed
We’re are you located at ? I have a M22 Muncie I want to rebuild it for a everyday driver .I would love to drive it on the freeway at 70 mph . What’s your recommendations ?
Convert to. Z ratio and use a 3.08 rear
Got something with a classic American drive train? Better call Paul!
how long have you had that yellow drill?
Amazing what abuse this tool has taken...
Would love to get in contact with you I have to Muncie Transmissions that needs service they been sitting for years please let me know thanks
All contact info is in videos and on this channels about section
I can't seem to find the 2books deal
www.super661.com/2books
No shipping to Canada on the book deal???
Shipping costs way more to Canada that is why. However what I do is deduct the shipping cost in the US from your cost. You are responsible for duties and taxes
@@GearBoxVideo ok because I’d like to put an order in as well for a billet mid plate, rebuild kit and some other pieces too.
Right now the book special can't be done because one of the books is sold out. Orders placed online in our store are NOT CHARGED UNTIL REVIEWED. So you can place your order, give us all your info and submit it and we manually figure the weights and adjust your shipping regardless of what the standard rate shown to you is.
Great! Thanks for the info!
On my older case there was no way in hell the gears were going to drop in. 3/4 slider too large a diameter to clear the gear no matter where slider was placed. Way easier to drop in main shaft and come up from bottom with input, align, and then drive home the input shaft bearing. I would also suggest immediately putting on a nose cone temporarily to prevent the input shaft/bearing sliding out as the case plate is seated.
Shouldn't matter what case, but I always leave the front retainer off if Im installing a front bearing last or its in place. It may move forward but cant come out. Moving forward allows for clearance to connect the shafts together. Do it all the time, new and old cases