Kerblam Vs Boom 13 Vs 15 - Doctor Who
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
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A comparison of Kerblam and Boom
0:00 - Intro
0:10 - Doctor's Response to AI Killing An Innocent
1:44 - Doctor's Attitude To An Abusive company
3:44 - How The Doctor Deals With the Company
5:11 - Relevant 12th Doctor Speech - Hry
13 literally killing the dude contrasts strikingly to how 15 was desperate to save Lindy in Dot and Bubble despite her being racist, entitled and clearly not worth saving, something the doctor would actually do - save as much life as possible
10 literally saved an evil businessman in Voyage of the Damned. Saving people is the Doctor’s thing
9 also helped a morally dubious businessman, even though he clearly didn’t like him
To be fair to 13, the bit where they beg the dude to come with them is cut out, plus the whole place was seconds from exploding.
@@bhind45 13 didn’t have a reason to set the explosives off though. Once they delivered back to the warehouse, no one was going to touch the bubble wrap.
I mean it was cut out but she did tell him to get up there and he didn’t listen 🤷 natural selection
If we're including the 12th doctor dont forget the episode where 12 and Bill find a space station where the crew are literally being killed by "The Suits" (see what they did there) because the Oxygen they're breathing is too expensive and could be reserved for the next crew to land. 12 saves the crew by linking an explosive in the station to their life support systems so they become more valuable to the corporations alive than dead. Was a damn shame to see 12 regenerate into someone who could tolerate let alone defend Kerblams practices and straight up murder a guy in their distribution center. Jodie Whittaker was done so dirty having to perform those scenes.
12th isn't a particularly caring individual, at least not in season 8, but yeah he'd fucking cringe at a thought of saying "why don't you replace your workers with machines" lmao.
@@nikkan3810I mean, factory workers specifically being replaced with machines isn’t a bad idea in a distant future where money apparently doesn’t exist and people only work for fulfillment.
@@dodiswatchbobobo It's a very contentious topic and it's absurd to see Doctor, the most benevolent creature in this universe, support loss of jobs by actual people. If we were talking about utopian society where no needs are left unfulfilled, then sure, but i highly doubt such a world would have corporations. Those are designed strictly for profit. Utopian version of that would have everything belong to the nation itself.
@@nikkan3810 Okay but what if the job is terrible? What if none of them have ever once said they’re doing this for money, they’re simply trapped by byzantine contracts in work they would rather not be doing anymore?
I’m not saying such a world could logically come into existence outside of a Chibnall Doctor Who plot, or that it was executed well. All I’m saying is that livelihoods were never part of the stakes in Kerblam.
The throughline was “we don’t need people doing these kinds of jobs anymore. Free them. To travel where they want and do what they love.” Very ham handed commentary. A write-off of an episode in a write-off of a season for a write-off of an era. But internally consistent with the Doctor’s morals.
I think "Relevant 12th Doctor Speech" could be included as a segment at the end of every CZcams video.
I need this to be real on every video. The Twelfth Doctor could give me a speech about morality, travel, cuisine or Minecraft and I'd still listen politely for hours
@@Zestieee I wish Capaldi narrated my entire life
Watching this definitely makes me think Boom was Moffat’s way of subliminally saying to Pete McTighe & Chibnall “This is how you do it but way better”
You'd be wrong because one is about Amazon in space with a whackadoodle who doesn't want automation. And the other is about war for profit and a conversation with the audience. These are entirely different things and you guys haven't been paying attention
@@Leylaashley Try oxygen then. No war, just worker's rights
@lostvarius oh man I have been on one hell of a trip the last two days lol. Course I've seen the patterns I've listened for the clues I watched for the visuals I followed a labyrinthine rabbit hole and we ain't even done with the season yet but suffice it to say... minds will be blown
@lostvarius and he did, rtd. He's left one hell of a rabbit hole and it takes using your brain. But he left clues to be found. You just gotta get over your hang ups man
@lostvarius dare to imagine and believe for one second and you'll never look back
Apparently regeneration can also make you weirdly pro corporation. Who would have thought?
I think it’s bad writing that does this.
Who would've thought.. Apparently it also leads to dissonance of morality!
Who knew!
The Thirteenth Doctor's morality was all over the place in some stories and it baffled me how the characters kept saying she was the "best person in the world" and "best person they've ever met". She did some very questionable stuff to be fair.
Whatttttt Nothing morally questionable about supporting oppressive structures, letting giant spiders starve to death, leaving the master to the nazis without a perception filter, killing a TARDIS to get rid of some Daleks... nothing morally dubious at all... totally not...
G: Doc, I'm afraid me cancer's gonna come back
D: sounds like a you problem
You could say her morals were... alien. *ba dum tss*
Doc: Da spida is growing so big that it's lungs are being crushed.
Trumby: I have a gun and we can kill the spider. Putting it instantly out of it's misery.
Doc: Guns are bad, let it die in agony
We've had dark doctors doing dark things, and we've had cheery, happy doctors who snap into darkness, but we've never had a cheery, happy doctor doing dark things, but never acknowledging the weight of those decisions. It would have been fascinating to see a doctor with such bleak morality not question herself.
I feel bad for jodie having to spout all that shit about "the systems arent the problem its just the people in charge!!! I love keblam men!!! Capitalism is great and shouldnt be made obsolete even though we have robots to do everything so we could just choose to let every human live free!! Nevermind humans have jobs again!!! Two weeks paid leave? What a long time!!!! The workers should be so grateful!!!!!!!!!"
Not just that - they get two weeks' paid leave, and shut down the company for a *month*, so they have 2 weeks with no job and no pay.
@@Geitungur Holy hell, that is so realistic! I love Chibnall now!
Yes she didn't look that convinced about that line
She gets really excited about "it's the biggest retailer" - why so excited about that?!? Is she a shareholder?!?😂 What's wrong with small independent chains?!? No, I only get excited by virtual monopolies!.~ This is before they get taken over by Disney and already they have their ass in the air and their tail waving mewling "come take me now, big boy!"
@@markpostgate2551 That comment started off coherently and very suddenly devolved into top tier AO3 shit
One episode completely wasted Lee Mack and the other one sold everyone on a new Doctor with him even taking a step.
Technically he did take a step. More than one if you count before the landmine..
@@Ixarus6713 we were sold from him being stood still tho
i thought you said lee mack was completely wasted during the episode😂😂😂
@@ALEXXXCTROFFICIALHe was...
@@ALEXXXCTROFFICIALI mean I wouldn't blame him tbh
Damn, I hadn't seen the self-delivery scene in a while but 13 straight up killed that boy.
They did ask him to leave and come with them
@@scaleofperspective6211Yes but that's irrelevant. She had no reason to make them blow up. She engineered a dangerous situation, then offered someone who had spent the better part of a decade a last minute choice to just give up all he fought for. By delivering the Kerblam men to themselves, she's already solved the problem!
@@scaleofperspective6211 Yeah, but like, she didn't need to start making the robots blow themselves while he was there.
Actually, why didn't they deliver this stuff somewhere else? Or at least try to get rid of the bombs instead of blowing up half of the facility for no reason?
@@strbourneThat's the stupidest and most absurd reasoning I've ever come across, about this episode: imagine justify the idea of preferring a no-escape situation like that, to a way to save your life (so you can at least try again) just because you spent too much time organising a plan that eventually has failed in order to remain sound to your own ideals..? Basically preferring death to the idea of being able to live for another day and try again in applying your changes. I mean... that's an absurd reasoning, even for an idealistic kind of person.
Following this logic, if the two Kate at the end of the 50th anniversary special had decide not to stop the detonation countdown just to make a point, would we have said it was Eleventh and Tenth fault for having them forced to face such a no escape situation in a so short time lapse..? Seriously..? It would be an absurd statement as much.
Congratulations: you came out with the most deranged (non)argument of the week. Jesus...
RIP the 13th doctor you would have loved Sir Keir Starmer
13 probably would have voted for Truss.
At the end I feel bad for Jodie and the 13th Doctor. Bad writing messed up this era so bad 😓
Yep and we still have people defending it and acting like it’s not the reason RTD and Moffat came back. Chib destroyed all the fans in America
I feel like the Thirteenth Doctor could've had so much potential. I hope maybe Big Finish can deliver some good stories that can fix the character's issues at some point, as it happened with the Sixth Doctor.
@@Zestieee already happening lol, the comics and big finish and books completely have fixed a lot of issues with 13 and the companions.
Disagree I loved it amazing writing jodie my favourite Doctor
@@Zestieeeif big finish can salvage six and make Colin one of my fav doctors they can do anything.
This is why I laugh when people call the Chibnall era "left wing propaganda". It was nothing of the sort. It was status quo complacency propaganda, if anything. Centrist. Perhaps even "Moderate". Sure, it had some diversity in it, but that's hardly radical or forward-thinking, just descriptive. That would have been challenging the status quo a long time ago, but not in 2018; now it's bare minimum and barely worth a pat on the head to acknowledge that some people aren't white and straight, and that women can do things. To call that "leftist" or (ugh) "woke" would be giving it too much credit, as if it did something.
Kerblam is a perfect example of Chibnall's complacent, milquetoast, "don't rock the boat" philosophy, and Boom struck me as almost a direct response to it (intentional or not).
Boom wins.
I'd even call Chibnall's era reactionary, tbh
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@@erin_3569 Not sure I'd go quite so far as to say that, except perhaps in a very relative sense, or indirectly by enabling it through lack of committed opposition. On what do you base that assessment?
I loved boom, but it didn’t go far enough for me. By the end there’s still a war, the status quo is upheld. The best thing that could have happened is the surrender of the soldiers. Wish they’d committed to that plot point
Honestly there wasn't much propaganda. Doctor Who was historically always about sending a message, after all, often even politically. But there are good and bad ways to deliver a message through a story. Good writing and bad writing. When the story is poorly written, the audience receives an obnoxious lecture rather than a meaningful lesson (examples include Orphan 55, Praxeus and, in my opinion, Rosa).
But in the Thirteenth Doctor's era, sometimes, the stories completely failed to deliver any kind of right message at all and if anything they pushed the Doctor's morals out of character completely. Examples of this are Kerblam! and Arachnids in the UK.
The problem with ‘Kerblam!’ Is that it wants to do this whole rug pull with the audience. It knows Kerblam is abusive to its workers using all the elements to tag it as so with the surveillance, low pay and menial labour. It wants to say
“aha! You thought that the big corporation was the big bad just cause it’s terrible to its workers and has a total monopoly! But really it was the one guy trying to stop the company that was the bad guy! Doesn’t that blow your mind?”
But it does this after killing Kira, the episode still thinks that it’s ambiguous to the audience whether Kerblam is evil or not after that. But that’s just the full confirmation that it is evil, it unambiguously saw this innocent person as a means to its end to save itself. It does not care if people die! it cares that it would effect its profit margins, killing Kira would not affect this.
I feel like it would've been interesting if they went with something along the lines of Human AND robotic/android workers, with the Kerblam company abusing both the human staff AND the sentient robots (i mean, Nardole was a sentient robot after all, so it'd be a nice nod to him and it could also tie with 'Smile' from series 10). Then, have the Doctor try and resolve a sort of conflict between the organics & the robots by inciting a revolution against the company itself. Or whatever, i'm not a writer lol
@@eliasbali4140 No, that's an idea with some legs, doubly so with the AI revolution we're experiencing. Consider this:
In the industrial revolution, saboteurs threw wooden clogs into mechanical looms to break them in an attempt to stop the machines taking their jobs (the literal origin of the word saboteur, as it originates from the French word sabot which meaning "wooden clogs"). Today people are just as worried about AI replacing their labour.
Writing a story about a corporation exploiting the labour of humans and sentient robots equally, while the two parties are at each-others' throats would be perfectly apt. Ending the episode with humans doing what we always do best, uniting with new technology to stumble our way toward a new future, would be an excellent message. A reminder that while the world changes, new horizons always open with that change, and we can explore them with the new technologies that brought us there.
Oxygen was a pretty good anticapitalist story too
“The systems aren’t the problem”
How much did Amazon pay Chibnall to write that? 😂
if this was written by someone like Moffatt , while she would have disagreed with the plan to kill innocent people , she would agree with the motivation and try to find a way to shut the ai down and stop everything and without hurting others. You could still have scenes where he realises hes too far gone and the doctor has to stop both the sides from happening , and maybe sacrifices himself instead of hurting other before he could be stopped by the doctor, so she would then make sure the ai and truth of the company is destroyed and shown trying honer
motivations but not his actions, which would be more fitting
The thing is the episode presents a moral binary that doesn't exist. Either you're for the company exploiting more workers, or you're from the company leaving most people without a job. But a world where automation is so prevalent has essentially no need for that much workforce, and so capitalism as a whole is literally no longer necessary. It's not just a Kerblam problem, it's a governmental problem. It's pointless to try to get more people under the exploitative clutches of Kerblam, working at all levels including dangerous ones, in a less efficient way anyway. The companies will try to make people into robots anyway, whether they are or not.
13 getting so excited about kerblam was the first thing I saw of her and I was IMMEDIATELY like.... Ohhhhhhhhhhh maaaaaaaaaan.
"Relavent 12th Doctor Speech". Like someone else here said, we need more sections like that in videos.
what I realize the most in this video is that Chiball era just has playstation home music playing in the background at all time
I refuse to believe the doctor was ok during the 13th era lol
She hit her head when she fell into the train and was weird for a bit. She's better now.
@@PlatinumAltariathat’s my headcanon now. The fall from the Tardis damaged 13’s brain
Explanation of each Chapter
Chapter 1: Doctor's Response to AI Killing An Innocent
13 disregards Kira's life and autonomy and sides with the AI in killing her because a terrorist happened to like her this is clearly out of character for the Doctor they care about all life and protect it and bring those who take it to some form of justice the Doctor doesn't shut down the Kerbalm AI.
15 on the other hand blames the AI for the death of an innocent and actively opposes it they are correctly horrified by this taking of an innocent life.
Chapter 2: Doctor's Attitude To An Abusive company
13 praises a mega corporation that has terraforming a moon in to a giant warehouse listens in on its employees, pays them so little they can barley afford to go home and has them doing pointless menial labour despite the fact their is no reason to have them do said labour. If 13 changed their attitude this would be fine but at the end there is no evidence she feels differently about the organisation.
15 is rightfully critical of Villengard from the start sure they are more obviously villainous but both company's are abusive 13 defends their's 15 doesn't.
Chapter 3: How The Doctor Deals With the Company
13 takes down the terrorist which is good but unnecessarily kills them this is out of character the doctor tried to save the master who is far worse than the I don't want poverty Guy. 13 however fails to dismantle Kerblam's oppressive systems and allows the AI to remain active the company become "people first" which means more people have to do pointless abusive work.
15 ends up taking down the entire Villengard mainframe and calling off a war.
Chapter 4: The Relevant 12th Doctor Speech
Here to show the Doctors values they care about life more than progress and believe civilisation is measured on the value you place on a life. 13 disregards kira's life and leaves Kerblam a company where more people will go do unnecessary repetitive menial labour for no good reason. 15 cares about all life to the point hes angry over the ambulance killing someone who just moments ago shot his companion.
I agree with mostly everything you said but... the doctor kills alot of ppl in classic and let Cassandra "die" episode 2 of new who, she was just lucky to survive him. Also he comited genocide against the silence and let River kill a bunch of them next to him in s6
Not mentioning the Seventh Doctor wanting to commit a genocide of Daleks and pushing the last surviving one into taking its own life.
_"Same software, different hardware"_ does not actually apply to the character of the Doctor, no matter how some writer had tried to push such a vision into the narratives...
@@apoloartemis9038 @UomodAltriTempi I can see that I will say you can't compare the Daleks a genocidal race and the silence for which ordering there death was the only solution to the death of Charlie. The doctor wanting to the Dalek to kill themselves was seen by themselves as a bad thing ending the season not killing the Daleks also at the end of the tenths run he chastises his own clone for killing all the Daleks. To expand on my point the doctor was fine with Charlie living asking him to go up onto the platform to be teleported away though I can see the doctor being willing to kill them though I see charlie as similar to Bonnie in the Zygon invasion he's meant to be sympathetic and the doctor sympathies with him at the end of the episode the changes he campaigned for are implemented
@@BiffTummyTumTum The point is the Doctors have all different personalities and even moral values, in the course of the series.
If for every one of them life is precious in the same way, no matter what, then it has to be applyed also to Daleks and the Silence Priests.
But, has shown in the series multiple times, that's not how the Doctor works: you have the Fourth Doctor, who cannot bring himself to kill the Daleks in _"Genesis"_ because of his moral code, then you have the Seventh who in _"Remembrance"_ is perfectly fine in doing so, and then the Eighth who in many novels shows a disdain for his previous self (even comparing the Monk to him in _"The Resurrection of Mars"_ audiostory); not to mention the War Doctor in the Big Finish audiostories, who more than once defines his previous self as nothing but a deluded fool.
There is no A personality of the Doctor, but different ones as different are their values depending on the incarnation.
Talking as if the character has always be the same and behave following a static, fixed moral code is simply not true, according to what we have seen in sixty years of the show itself.
@@UomodAltriTempi Ok 13 didn't want to shot the spiders, was against killing T'zim-Sha in the finale of her first season and refused to kill the master and the cyber-timelords
Gotta love 12, he absolutely kills it with that speech.
13 just wasn't the Doctor this is vile
13th Doctor: *Centrist propaganda*
15th Doctor: *The Internationale starts playing*
Another thing I want to say is that this comparison really shows how much better Moffat is at writing entertaining exposition dialogue than the Chibnall era. Its quick and witty instead of being slow and dry
Capitalist simp VS based and revolutionary-pilled gigachad.
The natural order has been restored!
And I love it even more! 😁✨️
I have a feeling that a lot of 13's era was a response to anti woke/ anti sjw backlash that was thrown around during 12's era chibnall was trying to avoid 'radical political messaging' and stay neutral which simply does not work in a sci-fi show.
I did like 13 I just wish she had a better show runner, hopefully big finish can do something with her character.
Same, I can only hope big finish does 13 some justice. Also some more experimental stuff with her
Chibnall was farrr more woke lmfao
@@wheatley9601 he just wasn't though... His stories were very milquetoast and centrist, he was very show don't tell and his woke messaging was very Disney, we will say x character is gay or y character is trans but the only mention of it will be one 20 second scene that could just be removed for other countries.
Moffats stories on the other hand so much more woke the doctor punched a racist in the face, the lesbian character actually ends up with a girlfriend, many of his stories are inherently political and you couldn't just remove those parts without destroying the story.
Chibnall was all "look at how progressive I'm being, aren't I clever" moffat and rtd however are "I'm woke, the show is woke, don't like it don't watch it"
Chibnall is performatively woke rtd and moffat are actually very left wing and woke and it shows in the writing.
@@wheatley9601He wasn’t. People just saw a lead with a vagina and shit themselves.
But at the end of the day neither of these directors manage to include progressive messages without ruining the writing quality in the process. Well, Series 1-4 RTD did it fine, but New RTD is quite incompetent lol.
Indeed.
The Chibnal era perpetrated the greatest possible crime against Doctor Who: making The Doctor stand apologist for fascism.
"The system isn't the problem" is an INSANE line to come from the Doctor
I like to look at it like this, the Doctor has this distain for corporations in Boom because she went to Kerblam and learned more about how intergalactic corporations function.
But you are correct, chibnall should've written his stories to have more progressive morals
that would make sense, if it wasn't already established that the doctor had encountered villengard before and did take them down before, all the way back in series 1
@@Sibe-ev8qu I thought captain Jack was the one who destroyed villenguard?
12th Doctor showed his disgust for corporations (and Capitalism itself) in ‘Oxygen’.
@@cyanscholar5498 No it was Doctor. From either ‘Empty Child’ or ‘Doctor Dances’:
Jack: _[asks if Doctor’s been to Villengard]_
9th Doctor: Once.
Jack: They’re all destroyed now.
9th Doctor: Like I said, once.
@@cyanscholar5498 the dialogue heavily implies that it was the Doctor who destroyed them:
DOCTOR: Sonic blaster, fifty first century. Weapon Factories of Villengard?
JACK: You've been to the factories?
DOCTOR: Once.
JACK: Well, they’re gone now, destroyed. The main reactor went critical. Vaporized the lot.
DOCTOR: Like I said. Once. There's a banana grove there, now. I like bananas. Bananas are good.
Although in The Impossible Planet he doesn't clock the immorality of the Ood trade but in Planet of the Ood he suddenly realises that it's immoral and then has a go at Donna for buying T-shirts from Primark. I think that's projection, Doc! Just as well for him that Donna wasn't watching his two previous seasons otherwise her response to his "didn't think about that did you?" moral high horsing would be "well neither did you, you sanctimonious hypocrite!" 😂
Honestly War isnt the problem.
It's the people who use and exploit the system of War.
That's the problem.
Yeah.
Lol, basically
what do you guys mean,,, this is a complete play of words of what the 13th doctor was trying to say 😂
@@DonutToastLiterally what are you even trying to say?
@@HOTD108_ they're saying people are too dumb to realize that the original comment is making fun of 13ths laughable attitude towards systems by juxtaposing it with something even worse instead of actually agreeing that war is a good thing and people don't know how to use it. (Which is brain dead stupid logic)
“We’re suspending all operations for a month. All workers are being given two weeks paid leave.”
Wow, thanks!
I think people over-examine Kerblam. It was misguided, but I think the messaging was accidental. The writer in me can see that you could like the twist that the big conglomerate and system
Isn’t the bad guy (which would be the obvious story) and fail to notice that you end up with a terrible message. Oddly, for all of the complaint about Doctor Who being too message-focused, Kerblam is what you get when you don’t think enough about the message.
The thing is there wasn't much thought put into the message in the message-heavy stories. They weren't ideas independently arrived at from first principles but messages that could be derived from any corporate training laid on by HR, and all ending in "m'kay?".
Yea, I don’t think the message in kerblam was intentional but it shows how poorly written and poorly thought out it was. That’s like a twist a 12 year old would come up with for their writing assessment. If they thought about it for a just a little while they would have realised the terrible message they are promoting with this story.
Unintentional messaging aside, there’s real merit to examining the episode closely. just because the writer didn’t consciously intend something doesn’t mean their work can’t be examined as a product of their environment. the writer probably wasn’t thinking “yeah, fuck human lives, robots and corporations are more important!” but because the writer lives under capitalism, the work reflects that. i don’t think i’d call analysis of it “over-examination”
The fact that both titles refer to explosions as well is too big of a coincidence 😭
I have problems with the new era but at least I can actually consider it canon unlike that chibnall fever dream
we all have phases when we are misguided and wrong and i like to think it was just one of those for 13, but it would have been really cool to see jodi with a writer who actually understood the character atleast.
Id much rather watch any Jodie episode over bleddy space babies 😅😅
It’s cool because what you consider canon doesn’t make something canon or not. Thats just your headcanon. Jodie’s era is definitely canon. It deserved much better writing, but had a few merits here and there. I’ll take Demons of the Punjab or Haunting of Villa Diodati a million times over Space Babies.
@@Jim_The_Fishdon’t forget Spyfall
@@Jim_The_FishThis is Doctor Who anyway... Canon is barely a thing. You can pick and chose what you consider your own headcanon in each era of the show because the entire thing is a continuity mess anyway. Like, the Timeless Child wasn't even the first time we got told that One wasn't the first incarnation of the Doctor.
the difference between virtue signalling and pretending to be topical, vs actually saying something with a stronger message. Both Gatwa and Whittaker are good actors, but it really shows how much better the writing is, Gatwa is brilliant, but the writing allows him to be great, whereas Whittaker is stunted by really dull writing, mostly expositional or on the nose crap. Kerblam has a vibe of not wanting to go hard on criticising Amazon and such, whereas Boom actually does criticise the glorification of the arms trade, and the future that could cause, whilst being in a thrilling and engaging episode. The new episodes also just look better, better lighting, better shot composition. They feel like Doctor-Who and less like a fanfilm on CZcams.
That's a good comparison. I still can't enjoy 13th doctor. I stopped watching her run in half
Why
@@kuggacouragegx6093
I don't feel it. 3 Companions talk as a one character in the Tardis. They could make a one companion and develop him. IMHO Graham would be a very good fit for 13th doctor. Writting of episodes is wonky, and not engaging.
Also I don't like the designs:
-Screwdriver looks like a magic wand (It's a tool, it supposed to look like technology, not like hogwart)
-Tardis interior is too dark and empty, almost lifeless. who thought that space trollete should look exactly the same like handbrake. It dosen'y have this feel of power like with 12th doctor trollete
-Doctor's clothes are plain. I would love to see her in something more elegant
Also I must add one thing: I have no problem with that 13th is a woman. I think is more a writting problem then acting
Now I enjoy new season with Nuci. I hope that incarnation will have some epic episodes and great foes like Missy. (Missy is very good example of conversion male timelord to female)
@@SiluTsu homie what do u mean they talk as if they were one character??
I recommend u to actually watch her Era cause u are missing everything.
Ryan and Graham were the ones that had the most character development and story with the 2.
The episodes weren't wonky but non offensive.
The sonic design is a valid criticism. But the sonic is literally seen as a wand even over recent years.
Also have u seen 11th and how he used his sonic literally like a wand from Disney Channel ad breaks.
Homie, the 4th doctor, 8th doctor, 9th and 10th, 11th second were all dark and empty.
Also homie, literally the tardis controls have random handles and stuff in it. Heck the first 11th one had a type writer on it.
Ok and? She literally got it from a store, which u literally saw in the first episode.
Also did u forgot the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, literally the 9th being the best example, 10th, 11th first and last, also 12th outfits they wore? They were mostly regular clothes. The only thing is odd, is thr 4th long scarfs, 3rd capes, 5th looking like he is going to play cricket, 7th, question mark, and that was it.
What do u mean more elegant? What are u talking about??
Ok cool u can argue that the writing is not perfect but not any writing of the show is perfect.
Also when u say the same npc lines of the writing isn't good, atleast have an understanding, cause u can say that then someone who watch her Era for their first time can look at u as if u kinda reached a bit, you know.
Can u give any examples by it????how is missy a good example of converting male to female????
Also u do know saying that line doesn't look nor sound right right? Saying missy was better than the doctor at being a woman is just doesn't sound right.
U know
@@kuggacouragegx6093 (Sorry for my english. it's not my native language)
Sonic is used as wand, but it dosen't have to be used like one
4th is dark and empty, 8th has own spark. I can't call it empty, 9th and 10th has cables and console as the most interesting part, it's a bit empty. 11th second tardis is middleground for a 12th doctor's tardis
Yeah, that parts was amazing, adding a fan scenes of Doctor using his console. in 12th doctor's tardis the throllete is powerful, when 13th dosen't have this feeling of powerful Ship wich Tardis is
Ok. I must admit. I'm harsh about her fasion choices
they literally said the entire sentence speaking through each other
Every Doctor play different tone. Every Doctor is different. She is more different person then the master. Master is a maniac who dosen't care about people and thier fate. It's easer to covert, but the "redemption" arc was so amazing
@@kuggacouragegx6093 The writing isn't just bad. The writing fundamentally misunderstands the character of the Doctor. No other Doctor would say "the systems aren't the problem" about Kerblam. No other Doctor would expose the Master's race to the [villains of World War 2] after already having beaten him. No other Doctor would think locking spiders in a room to suffocate, crush and cannibalise each other and starve to death was humane. No other Doctor would be so insecure. No other Doctor would think locking Tzim-Sha in eternal stasis - a fate she previously called "completely obscene" - was okay. That last one shows that the writing breaks its own internal logic, not just changing the Doctor's core values from what they used to be. I could go on.
Tbf 13 never knew Kerblam was broken when she received the package
She went through a whole episode of learning why it was broken
@@Mario-us5xm I’m talking about the beginning where she was supporting Kerblam, she never knew it was broken until she read the message
@@NotAgnor And then she completely failed to fix it.
Oh god you meant broken as in literally broken. No, it's broken because it's an abusive company that treats its workers terribly. When the Doctor says "the systems aren't the problem" she's just wrong. The Kerblam system murdered Kira to make a point. That's straightforward villainy.
@@bookswithike3256 I mean when she first opened the package from kerblam
The doctor explaining the concept of empathy felt like they wrote that scene to explain to the audience why they should feel bad. Chibnalls writing seems to explain how you should feel a lot.
Tbf at the start of the episode 13 didn’t know kerblam was so abusive
yes but at the end of the episode when she does know, she still doesnt do anything
@@rottenmilk1138 15 either
@@flame_ofhope 15 did as much as he could do _while standing on a landmine._ Besides, 9-or-earlier already blew up the weapon factories of Villengard.
Yea but it's really out of character for the doctor to be nerding about space Amazon when most of their previous incarnation has been shown to be somewhat anticapitalist
@flame_ofhope When Villengarde was first mentioned the Doctor heavily implied that he was responsible for its destruction. From his perspective he's already taken the company down permanently.
In all fairness she didnt originally know it was abusive, that's why she was so excited
That's the worst point I've even seen someone make.
Im sorry but.. boom and kerblam are on two different pages. One is a conversation with the audience the other is Amazon in space
We need a comparison of Kablam and Oxygen from the 12th doctor.
The AI murdering people two episodes later is the hero.
I didn’t hate the Chibnall era as much as some other folks but Kerblam made me so angry I literally yelled at the screen. That whole episode feels like a conservative version of DW that snuck into the main show, it’s entire message is antithetical to what DW is about.
The 12th Doctor realises the value of a single life- is the value and worth of someone in charge. The Doctor knows too well how many lives have been lost through the Doctors actions over his lifetimes. Hense the deep speech. The Doctor doesn't always make the right decision, but does acknowledge the weight carried upon his shoulders. Why do you think 14 needed to heal and 15 started afresh. The Doctor makes decisions at a drop of a hat and in high pressured situations, in order to fix whats wrong. Decisions that are sometimes morally questionable. Unfortunately thats the job of the Doctor as a time travelling time lord. 13's Doctor was abit careless and heartless. However that was the regeneration idea. 12's was about the conscience and anger of being the Doctor, 13's was about one last regeneration and being careless. 14's was about the trauma of it all and 15- is a fresh start free of all past responsibilities. Each regeneration handles things differently depending on the situations of the previous incarnation. The writing may be hit and miss with the show runners, but the story arc of the Doctor is still on point. As 11 said before regenerating "We change throught our lives, becoming different people" " As long as we remember who we once were and learn from what we have done". 13 in Kerblam was careless and 15 in Boom is childlike...they both fit thier regeneration stage perfectly.
such a good video
If only RTD or Moffat wrote for the 13th doctor…she could’ve had so much better
Kerblam is my most despised episode of Who
The Kerblam-AI killed an innocent to get back at the terrorist and the Doctor is backing it up. That's like a father drowning the family puppy because the son brought home a bad grade.
kerblam sounds like amazon if they wernt being watched...
What are you trying to say?
@@HOTD108_ Are you Amazon corporate in disguise? if not, im not saying shit...
I love doctor 13! Probably the only person to like her, but she's my favourite
I like 13 to just thing her stories are a bit naff
And Kerblam was a relatively good and one of the few memorable episodes of the Chibnal era
Made me realize Jodie could be a pretty good Doctor with the right showrunner, because her charisma carried that episode until they got to that terrible speech.
I think Kerblam is one of the worst episodes in this era. But really there are so many weak points it’s hard to decide.
@The_BIaze oh really? I liked the mystery of that episode, I remember figuring it all out and being excited, whereas the rest of that era I literally just can't recall the episodes despite watching seasons 11 and 12 twice
@@zachh6868 The problem is the mystery doesn’t work logically. On its own it is fine. Until you realize the astronomically low chances of the TARDIS team finding Charlie. Kerblam! literally transformed a moon. This factory is as large as the Death Star and they just stumble across the one person they were looking for. It just makes the episodes resolution feel really forced.
But I am glad it entertained you!
@The_BIaze yeah I don't remember which part of the episode I liked, but I do remember when all the pieces sort of fell into place and putting the pieces together, but yeah that is crazy they just ran into him, I didn't even think of that
A PSA for literally everyone in this comments section: Kerblam was written by a guest writer. Chibnall did not write this episode.
Say what you will about Moffat or RTD, but they fundamentally understand The Doctor as a character better than Chibnall ever could
Oxygen from Series 10 and Boom from this season were done right
See? This is how you should do, Chibs
I only liked the 13th run for Jodie Whittaker, wish she had some better writing because she did great with what she had.
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
That bloke eating chocolates played Jen's gay boyfriend in the IT episode where Roy had to pretend to be leg disabled and Moss became a bartender.
More proof Chibs and Jodie didn’t have a clue
thoughts and prayers
i keep feeling bad for all of the 13 actors because if they just didnt have the worst scripts of all time they could've actually had a decent show
It seems to me that these are still different series. «Karblam» is far from my favorite series, but I have often read and heard from friends how mundane and realistic it showed the life of an employee of a large corporation. Moreover, it is written by the appropriate writer. 13th Doctor is travailler and viewer. She putting the lives of people and non-people (intelligent AI) on equal footing. This reminds me more the 9th doctor’s philosophy. It's a calm science fiction in a world that could work. When the Moffat series is a manifesto. Loud and distinct. AI here is an impersonal corporate algorithm, and victory is achieved essentially by the power of love (as Moffat likes it). And if we talk about the 15th doctor’s era, then I missed this style of writing. And I adore «Boom». It was beautiful. But 13th is still my favorite doctor and I remember getting tired of the constant manifestos and being glad to enjoy the mundane and melancholic worlds in season 11,
15 is definitely alot more inline with how previous generations would act (obviously because it is the same writers but still) the doctor has always been pretty anti authority often being quite antagonistic towards things like capitalism or the police. Think how in oxygen the doctor straight up said capitalism was the reason they were going to die and how 10 clearly didnt like the shadow proclamation who were described as "outer space police"
Anyone else remember the time the 12th Doctor went on an anti-capitalist rant for 45 minutes, and ended a story by using the threat of literal terrorism to have a megacorporation back off, so innocent people could get to safety?
(On a related note, it's also mentioned that those people brought that megacorporation down a few years later)
Literally less than a season before kerblam. Interestingly, it was the moff who came up with the idea of the suits killing people because capitalism, originally it was just going to be a space zombie episode, the suits didn’t come into it at all
13 is a disgrace
Is 13 like that all the time? Thats horrid.
She’s done a lot of awful things unfortunately. She left a colony of innocent spiders to asphyxiate to death after telling everyone the spiders weren’t to blame and dropped of the Indian master in the middle of a nazi camp after telling him she was going to show them “what you really are.”
The Doctor saying the system isn’t the problem is still the worst thing in the show, sure the timeless child was a pretty bad plot point but this is the Doctor, someone who in the Chibnall era is unambiguously supposed to be right about everything, in a family show meaning even young kids will hear this awful message. Chibnall’s era wasn’t left wing it was centrist, sometimes even conservative. The beliefs in the show are simplified, they follow the grain to a T. I appreciate the diversity in it but beyond that, the show says nothing. Boom says something, it says a lot of things. I can imagine people saying Boom is bloated because of everything it says about war, capitalism, faith and love and life. I can imagine a lot of these new episodes being seen as bloated. But I’m happy to take that, I’m happy to take a show that goes off the walls, mixes shit up, goes against its own grain while still having the base message it’s always had of live and kindness. I would take a messy show over a show that just does what it is supposed to do. It also helps that the writing for 15 is miles better but still.
I don't know how people take this as 13 condoning the AI taking Kira's life here. Deducing what it was trying to do yes but that's completely different from condoning what it did. While she couldve shown more empathy for Kira's death sure (I'll blame that on writing) but time was of the essence in that scenario too like deal with the problem now, mourn later.
the AI killed an innocent person if the doctor had made that speech then proceeded to shut down charlie and the AI she wouldn't be seen as condoning the AI's actions its the lack of consequences the AI faces as a result of the deliberate killing.
@somethingsomethingelse7706 The head of the company literally Said they were going to hire more actual people to handle the workload though so that's a clear sign of them phasing out the AI.
@@kylephantom4 Oh yeah, let's believe the head of the company whose AI literally kills people, cool
@@somethingsomethingelse7706I mean, 12 did the same thing in Mummy on the Orient Express
@@kylephantom4 The company is corrupt to the core. Any other Doctor would've taken it down completely.
Não tem comparação né gente 😂😂😂
Nem esperava achar um Br aqui ksks
@@vizatroslytherinOficial sou como um virus kkk
Moffat is a ‘radical centrist’, so his ‘‘‘political’’’ stories all have the message of _‘Yeah, okay, there are problems, but everything can be solved with one or few heroes doing love and compassion and niceness.’_
Chibnall’s writing is a reactionary response to stories like ‘Oxygen’ because in our post-Cold War society where our lives and very existence are dominated by megacorporations, where our ecosystems are poisoned with endless ads and microplastics, even Moffat’s milquetoast _‘individual heroism solves everything’_ crap is too far-left sjw, and so we get masterpieces like ‘The system is fine, actually. People are the _real_ problem. Anyone who opposes the system is a violent murdering psychopath.’
The existing system is perfect. Everything bad is because of a few bad people. All hail the system. Consume product.
I think that's a pretty fair assessment of both showrunner's politics
There's a massive difference between Kerblam, a retail company with a sentient AI that was ultimately trying to save thousands of people, and Villengard, a weapon's manufacturer with an AI algorithm that was murdering people.
The only part of Boom that wasn't great was that child actor. She was so poorly written and her behavior just made no sense. I get they have to maintain a level of talent with child actors so scouting older happens but getting a 11 year old kid to behave 6 or 7 was insane.
Pete McTigh's absolutely FECKLESS, COWARDLY script has no place in Doctor Who. If you look at the classic season trailers he's written, he's made the characters corporate CEO girlbosses as well.
I don’t understand why either RTD or Moffat keep supporting Chibnalls bullshit
It ain't that personal bruh 💀
They’re all friends they work together
It's not that deep dude. Chibnall wrote some bad episodes of a TV show, that's all. And the writers are all friends
@@jvictor001 Which I think is the real source of the problem of modern Who. It's been this trio of friends that have been running it for nearly 20 years now.
Don't get me wrong, I'm liking RTD's new stuff better. As bad as Space Babies was, it didn't bore me like Chibnall's era generally did. My point is that you can only have someone in charge for so long before things get stale, repetitive, tropey. The show needs fresh blood but hasn't really cultivated talent very well.
@@jvictor001 s13 was great
Thank god we dont have this anymore
13 is pro capitalism?
Yeah she is
@@_MyNameIsAJ_ cringe
Jesus, the Chibnall era was painfully badly written.
They both suck imo tbh. The ending was all over the place, people were just running around in a minefield of invisible mines including a child (and shockingly only two people stepped on one), the landmine itself makes very little sense, and the doctor just angry bashes a woman about her faith for… really no reason. It’s not like villengard was in any way associated with the church side from as a buyer and even if it did bashing someone upside the head of “you’re stupid cause you have faith” is never a good thing to do, it makes people unreceptive and offended
13 so far is better
#ripdoctorwho
Yeah they are both really incompetently made.