Eugene Ryabchenko - How To Play Fast? (Advanced Hand Techniques)

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  • čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
  • In this video I give you some tips on how to improve your wrist and finger techniques which involve fast single stroke patterns.
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Komentáře • 516

  • @masterseeker9064
    @masterseeker9064 Před 5 lety +215

    Nailed all the 5 minute breaks 💪

    • @JasonVorce
      @JasonVorce Před 2 lety

      Me too! Like a boss!

    • @hecbiz75
      @hecbiz75 Před 2 lety

      Me too! WE'RE KILLING IT, BRO!

  • @SereJJa
    @SereJJa Před 5 lety +135

    I rarely save videos but this one is probably the MOST useful tutorial ever. I love how Eugene emphasizes that your success heavily depends on your approach and attitude. I'm going to re-watch this video again and again when I feel down. I only regret I didn't find this video earlier.
    Thank you Eugene

    • @EugeneRyabchenkoDrummer
      @EugeneRyabchenkoDrummer  Před 5 lety +21

      You are welcome. Comments like these are music to my ears. Thank you.

    • @PossessWithin
      @PossessWithin Před 4 lety +1

      how did it go 1 year after?

    • @SereJJa
      @SereJJa Před 4 lety +9

      ​@@PossessWithin I would say it went great and still goes :) Since last year I'm practicing almost daily and I completely rethought the way I practice thanks to this video. To give you some backstory I play drums since 2007 but I never practiced correctly, maybe just when I started I spend some time with a practice pad getting some basics done. In fact, since 2012 and till I watched this video I only "practiced" when I had rehearsals with my band 2 times a week. This resulted in a lot of things getting memorized incorrectly, having bad technique, having knee and elbow pains sometimes. Bad shit to be honest. Now I have to fight some ancient muscle memory and the most difficult part was to take a huge step back and starting a lot of things from scratch.
      Basically this video gave me the impulse to find time for practicing and made me realize that it is more efficient and better to work 10-20 minutes on something in particular (like "wrist motion" or "swivel technique" or "paradiddle" or whatever you want to improve) instead of just playing 2 hours straight with your band without ever realizing where your flaws are. Don't get me wrong - band rehearsals are important too, but you don't grow much as a drummer by just playing with your band and you also need to focus on your technique and experiment and that's where this kind of practice system gets extremely useful

  • @romjab
    @romjab Před 8 lety +449

    "only at 250 bpm"

  • @nenissaK
    @nenissaK Před 7 lety +97

    Couple notes to everyone:
    pay attention to how relaxed his hands are when he's playing; he's using only "one or two" muscles at a time and the rest are relaxed and not used; that way the hand is jiggling around visibly when he's playing. That's an important notion when you practice - think about wet spaghetti when you're doing anything that has something to do with speed. That way you'll pay more attention to your technique.
    Also if something feels really tight or painful from the beginning, stop, play at a slightly slower tempo (without the metronome) for a minute ONE HAND AT A TIME and WATCH what your hands are doing, then do the same for the other hand. Then try again, and start relatively quietly - not all out straight from the start.

  • @SamirMamude
    @SamirMamude Před 8 lety +127

    probably the best tutorial I ever seen...thanks a lot!

  • @joseroman2681
    @joseroman2681 Před 5 lety +11

    1. Stretching (90 seconds) + 30 seconds Break
    2. Wrist Endurance 1 : 16th notes single stroke roll (10 Minutes 190BPM) + 5 Minutes Break
    3. Wrist Endurance 2: 4/8/12/16 Stroke each hand (8th Notes) + 16th Single stroke Roll (2 Minutes each exercise = 10 minutes 200 BPM + 5 Minutes Break
    4. Finger Endurance: 16 Notes Single Stroke Roll (10 Minutes 210BPM) + 5 Minutes Break
    5. Fingers Burst 1: 1 Bar of 8th single Stroke Roll + 1 Bar 16th Single Stroke Roll (10 Minutes 240BPM) + 5 Minutes Break
    6. Fingers Burst 2: 2 Bars 4th Notes Triplets + 2 Bars Straight 8th Notes each hand (10 Minutes 260BPM) + 5 Minutes Break
    7. Fingers Burst 2 Again: (20 Minutes at only 250 BPM) + 10 Minutes Break
    8. Wrist Endurance 1 Again: 16th Notes Single Stroke Roll (10 Minutes 195 BPM) + 5 Minutes Break
    *Increase the duration Of the exercises 5, 6 and 7 Each Day
    *When you start over again, duplicate the measures in exercises 5, 6 and 7
    *Increase the tempo every 5th day
    *Rule: Exercise + Half Time Break

  • @TheAndrumming
    @TheAndrumming Před 7 lety +203

    youtube should pay you per minute.

  • @schism3014
    @schism3014 Před 8 lety +68

    You´ve got a very cool mustache :D

  • @tristynwilson5861
    @tristynwilson5861 Před 8 lety

    i like how clear your tutorials are. very helpful

  • @benjamindady4366
    @benjamindady4366 Před 8 lety +9

    Eugene is all the motivation I need

  • @stevencopice4
    @stevencopice4 Před 9 lety +1

    Seriously and honestly, these are the best drum tutorials you'll ever watch, he is so helpful and encouraging!!!

  • @niklasp93
    @niklasp93 Před 9 lety +2

    I really like that you always cover the motivation part of practising. I found this to be the hardest part for a long time but I'm practising now like a beast 😄

  • @dtoxdeathcore
    @dtoxdeathcore Před 5 lety

    He creates the best online drum tutorials which actually help, who agrees?

  • @brendonjose6012
    @brendonjose6012 Před 8 lety +8

    Best tutorials I've seen!

  • @thedeanofgreens
    @thedeanofgreens Před 5 lety

    hands down the best teacher on youtube for advanced players looking to improve.. very in depth, great explanations, and very easy to understand. thank you so much for making these videos

  • @TheJoaovicente
    @TheJoaovicente Před 7 lety +22

    your tutorials are gold man.thank you very much

  • @tezuker
    @tezuker Před 8 lety

    Concise, intelligent and systematic. Great video!

  • @Timichaud
    @Timichaud Před 8 lety +9

    The most clean video to see what to do with your stick! thank you very much eugene to share.

  • @thunderwilliams98
    @thunderwilliams98 Před 2 lety

    Always great advice

  • @relaques666
    @relaques666 Před rokem

    Eugene thank you so much for your tutorials!! This is a lifesaver for anyone unsure about how to reach these extreme goals!!!

  • @sne60
    @sne60 Před 7 lety +2

    Thanks Eugene! You are a big inspiration.

  • @marcuslaus2281
    @marcuslaus2281 Před 7 lety +50

    your tutorials are 1st rate. ive been implementing your advice for only 2 weeks and ive gone up from 190 bpm to 240 well under controle. thx man!

  • @thejoanz
    @thejoanz Před 6 lety

    Excellent teacher

  • @sierramister123
    @sierramister123 Před 9 lety +5

    These are seriously some of the most clear and concise drum lessons I've ever seen. Do you think you could make a tutorial on how to learn complex songs? I don't know if you do this very much but I've been finding it hard to learn songs by ear if they are more complex like animals as leaders or between the buried and me. If I don't have access to sheet music I find it extremely hard to figure the minute and less straightforward things the drums are doing. Thank you very much for these lessons, they are the best I've seen.

  • @Valowful
    @Valowful Před 8 lety

    Dude you are so inspiring and helpful! They way you present your techniques and curriculums are absolutely motivating and make me want to start right away. Thank your for your awesome lessons.

  • @guidahpanmy4637
    @guidahpanmy4637 Před 5 lety +2

    The best tutorial i've ever seen so far in CZcams. . You're amazing. M gonna start making my diaries.

  • @Rockabilly053
    @Rockabilly053 Před 5 lety +3

    Thank You! Your videos have really helped correct most of my bad habits. I will continue to watch your videos and practice on the rest of my bad habits and eventually be the best I can be. Thanks Again!

  • @ellaiyarasankalidass5699
    @ellaiyarasankalidass5699 Před 7 lety +1

    Great system.

  • @drummer8382
    @drummer8382 Před 5 lety

    Definitely one of the most virtuous and successful drummers of recent years and it shows us the dedication and how to be professional. Thank you very much for these tutorials, they are the best just great.

  • @Larz1000000
    @Larz1000000 Před 9 lety

    Great video Eugene, its nice to see someone on CZcams researching the topic before posting a video. Looking forward to your next video.

  • @dyelkriger5665
    @dyelkriger5665 Před 8 lety

    Greetings from Brazil, Eugine! Your videos are helping me A LOT in my researches about how to improve my drumming. Really, I'm constantly watching videos and reading about this stuff (I'm a drum teacher and student), and I can say you are one of the bests in CZcams, so in the playing as in the schedule of the exercises, analysing movements, muscles memory, and so on. I'll be spreading the word! ;D

  • @Juscorps
    @Juscorps Před 4 lety +1

    I think is the must helpfull video i've ever seen to increase speed level. Thank's a lot Eugene !

  • @drummerboy2834
    @drummerboy2834 Před 6 lety +1

    Just found your channel & subscribed... great tutorials, after playing for 35 years you've actually shown me a few things I can work on.. Great job mate 👍👍👍

  • @kaktusjack1033
    @kaktusjack1033 Před 5 lety

    this is the absolutely best video i've seen on the topic of fast playing (blastbeats, bombbeats)

  • @miked5487
    @miked5487 Před 2 lety

    Interesting how youtube has recommended this to me 4 years on. This guy revolutionised my practice habits. Still very relevant video for me

  • @zyxwfish
    @zyxwfish Před 6 lety +2

    Day one trying this. This is the most logical drum workout I've ever seen.

    • @EugeneRyabchenkoDrummer
      @EugeneRyabchenkoDrummer  Před 5 lety

      thank you! Let me know about your progress!

    • @zyxwfish
      @zyxwfish Před 5 lety

      I've been at it since the 8/1/18. I have seen great progress already. Been playing drums since 1999 and my left hand is still so awkward. I still can only do 245bpm with the left hand for 2 measures. Right hand can do much higher.

  • @danielmikesell2104
    @danielmikesell2104 Před 8 lety +1

    This tutorial is literally perfect thank you so much

  • @DrummerCAS
    @DrummerCAS Před 2 lety

    Thank you for sharing this practice routine!

  • @austinknight6028
    @austinknight6028 Před 6 lety +2

    Thank you for free well thought out drum lessons, means a lot my friend🤙🏻

  • @insomniac_rav
    @insomniac_rav Před 4 lety

    These videos are the best tutorials on youtube

  • @Northertba
    @Northertba Před 5 lety

    Very detailed! Great job, talented drummer and teacher!

  • @tacobender5000
    @tacobender5000 Před rokem +2

    ...7 years later... BPM over 9000

  • @renec.4976
    @renec.4976 Před 8 lety

    Excelente video. se agradece el aporte. tus videos han sido de mucha ayuda para mi.

  • @MGBlast669
    @MGBlast669 Před 11 měsíci

    This video is super helpful! Thanks Eugene

  • @fsmith5459
    @fsmith5459 Před 7 lety +2

    Such a great tutorial man

  • @gSWG3R
    @gSWG3R Před 5 lety

    Saved this video and your double bass video. This is the best tutorial I've seen for improving hand speed.

  • @rigelberlingeri
    @rigelberlingeri Před 4 lety

    inspiration man

  • @danielnoguera2219
    @danielnoguera2219 Před 9 lety

    Man, you are a great educator, thanks a lot!
    Its true, If you have a system and you monitor it, you can see the progress, and that pushes you to go to more. The goals keep your drumming motivated.
    Because i dont have too much time every day (work a lot), I have a routine in hand in 1.04 hour. This is a page of stick control, and a page of Wrist and finger control Wilcoxon, 12SC+5 rest, 12SC+5 rest, 10 W +5rest, and 10W + 5rest, increasing tempo every two seasons, and this pages are played 20 seasons (I heard of Dom Famularo, 3 weeks in same page). The part of the rest was something I did not do, but I realized that it is as important as the practice, as fixed knowledge.
    I choice Wilcoxon because this have a lot of combination in accents and rebound that help me in a creative way, and stick control for the reasons we all know, what do you think?
    Thanks again man! Now im planning my double bass routine too!

  • @lostinadream1866
    @lostinadream1866 Před 8 lety

    Amazing tips, I sincerely appreciate you explaining all of this so well!!!

  • @elwarofficial
    @elwarofficial Před 2 lety

    Best vid ever thank you

  • @settledgorgon2698
    @settledgorgon2698 Před 8 lety

    This guy is so thorough he deserves way more subscribers and like... like goddamn

  • @jrcutz2583
    @jrcutz2583 Před 5 lety

    Just started drumming.. this is so helpful!

  • @Kraxe6sic6
    @Kraxe6sic6 Před 9 lety

    very nice - i will try this

  • @verwundert
    @verwundert Před 6 lety +2

    This was pretty motivating wow

  • @andrwikfernandez4685
    @andrwikfernandez4685 Před 5 lety

    Thanks Eugene for this video!

  • @jackjones8
    @jackjones8 Před 2 lety

    This schedule really does help. I did it through every step and there is an incredible difference. You have to make sure that you will be able to do this everyday however for at least 2 months. If you skip one day, that is okay but you need to get back on it.

  • @freeat_last7375
    @freeat_last7375 Před 6 lety +2

    EXCELLENT...nice to see a young cat that can be serious and focused without acting silly...just give me drum wisdom Usually I HATE electronic gear, but you make it sing!

  • @albertomelgarejo6443
    @albertomelgarejo6443 Před 6 lety +1

    Excellent video!!!!

  • @mariaortiz5741
    @mariaortiz5741 Před 7 lety +1

    awsome tutorial

  • @kellencomrie303
    @kellencomrie303 Před 6 lety +1

    Thank you for the inspiration!!

  • @Haassan1
    @Haassan1 Před 6 lety +1

    Thx, Eugene, you're awesome!

  • @skywarrior3508
    @skywarrior3508 Před rokem +1

    Спасибо огромное,Женя.

  • @mapleleafer74
    @mapleleafer74 Před 8 lety

    i'll try this when i get my kit, cheers man!

  • @nhoxx2611
    @nhoxx2611 Před 7 lety

    Fantastic video, thank you.

  • @user-mi5cg4qs1f
    @user-mi5cg4qs1f Před 8 lety

    С удовольствием посмотрел видео.Есть над чем работать))Спасибо очень четко, ясно,не натужно и просто.Респект!

  • @emmanueltorizpalacios3581

    you are absolutly amazing!! thanks for everything, regards from Mexico, your home whereever you wanna come

  • @jaredbeard2867
    @jaredbeard2867 Před 8 lety

    Fantastic drumming my friend. Thanks

  • @buktop3
    @buktop3 Před 8 lety +1

    Maaan, all your tutorials are awesome! Well edited, well presented, keeping it fun and most importantly very educational and helpfull! Keep it up!
    Greetings from Bulgaria!

  • @brianhenderson8362
    @brianhenderson8362 Před 8 lety

    My god, I am so gonna pull off my snare and cymbal pads from my roland kit and work on this. This is a great exercise, thanks for your knowledge Eugene.

  • @Omantrs
    @Omantrs Před 7 lety +1

    gracias por compartir tus conocimientos Eugene. ;) excelente tutotial!!!

  • @C65kof
    @C65kof Před 3 lety

    Eres mega increíble no puedo creer que no soy drummer y aún así entendí tan super bien.... WoW!... Cheers Eugene!..

  • @88Sith88
    @88Sith88 Před 9 lety

    Amazing video, thank you !

  • @subjectzero93
    @subjectzero93 Před 9 lety +1

    You're awesome man. Thank you so much and respect!

  • @maurizio1604
    @maurizio1604 Před 8 lety +1

    Very great video, one of the best

  • @daniellllll45419
    @daniellllll45419 Před 9 lety

    Eugene Ryabchenko for president !!.

  • @Scdl18
    @Scdl18 Před 5 lety

    Eugene, you're Eugenius ! Thk you, Your videos help me so much !

  • @gaborvaradi7946
    @gaborvaradi7946 Před 8 lety

    This video is the best best best tutorial! Amazing! Greatest thanks!

  • @billdrum
    @billdrum Před 6 lety +1

    Great video-Thanks!!

  • @OblivionSector99
    @OblivionSector99 Před 8 lety

    this actually helped a lot..thank you for your videos.

  • @xxrobcollinsxx
    @xxrobcollinsxx Před 9 lety

    Thanks for this, a great tutorial!

  • @Dr.Percowski
    @Dr.Percowski Před 3 lety

    Dude i really needed this video

  • @danielferreiradrums
    @danielferreiradrums Před 7 lety +1

    Thanks Eugene, I love your tutorial videos, they have a lot of informations and for me, is always GREAT!

  • @jonsalicioni4069
    @jonsalicioni4069 Před 5 lety +1

    Sos un Genio!!!

  • @andrefragoso7017
    @andrefragoso7017 Před 4 lety

    After watching your tutorials i started rethinking my practise routines and ways to learn to techniques, and never realised how resting the muscles is important. Couple of months have passed and came up with my own ways based on your routine, even thou my goal in speed is not that extreme but still, and have been making a lot of progress :) Hope to be able to see you with Fleshgod in October in Portugal!

  • @maximomartinez6843
    @maximomartinez6843 Před 6 lety

    awesoke lesson dude, thx

  • @francocignetti9784
    @francocignetti9784 Před 7 lety +1

    Thanx man. You are awesome. Greets from Argentina...

  • @RhythmTrimJim
    @RhythmTrimJim Před 8 lety

    great video

  • @giuliocazzola8775
    @giuliocazzola8775 Před 8 lety

    thanks, you help me a lot

  • @izarfaizal7041
    @izarfaizal7041 Před 8 lety

    thanks for very detailed explanation,horns up !

  • @Sonybaez
    @Sonybaez Před 6 lety +1

    Gracias!!!

  • @Heretix1989
    @Heretix1989 Před 8 lety +101

    I don't know why, but as soon as i hear you talking, i instantly see my practice pad + metronome and sticks in front of me, without even realizing, that i just prepared my stuff... xD

    • @Heretix1989
      @Heretix1989 Před 8 lety +2

      no no, that's actually really good! i come here everyday, after i made my feet smoking with your doublebass-tutorial, i put on this video and keep practicing... =) There is nothing more motivational than Eugene Ryabchenko!!! +1! ^^ haha

    • @jeanphilippelandry8295
      @jeanphilippelandry8295 Před 8 lety +1

      +Heretix1989 same thing for me. exactly like me!

    • @JMTfan28
      @JMTfan28 Před 8 lety +1

      +Heretix1989 same thing for me!

    • @superpunchhead
      @superpunchhead Před 8 lety +2

      you are the chosen one lmao

    • @ofadetergentsud
      @ofadetergentsud Před 8 lety +2

      +Heretix1989 I can relate but my edrum kit is right next to my computer desk. One minute I'm comfy at my pc and suddenly I'm doing blast beats 4 feet away from it.

  • @Sonicstillpoint83
    @Sonicstillpoint83 Před 8 lety

    Eugene, I had to learn all the muscles in the body and their attachments/motions, and I must say that your drum tutorials are the most detailed and effective for improve that I have ever seen. I had to work on assisting athletes to improve their skills or rehabilitation after injury and no one I have seen provides the systematic approach to drumming form and function that have clearly implemented while being able to articulate it to others. In the beginning, I was unable to implement a perfect routine for myself because I was unsure which motions and want muscle memory would provide the most beneficial impact on technique however, now, after watching your videos I have a much better idea. Thank you!

    • @EugeneRyabchenkoDrummer
      @EugeneRyabchenkoDrummer  Před 8 lety

      Wow thanks a lot for this comment. Feels really nice to read something like this! Good luck with your practice.

  • @13spiders
    @13spiders Před 6 lety

    Thanks for making such awesome videos!!!

  • @unic0rnf3tish90
    @unic0rnf3tish90 Před 8 lety +4

    Just started watching your channel 2 weeks ago tried out your tips and already Ive seen improvement in my speed and control thanks for these amazing videos man keep it up!!

  • @aidanrabinowitz6555
    @aidanrabinowitz6555 Před 7 lety +1

    Thanks a lot! This is great.

  • @TroyDawdy
    @TroyDawdy Před 7 lety +1

    It's beautiful

  • @shahfacekillah
    @shahfacekillah Před 8 lety +1

    thank you for doing these vids

  • @zamung9033
    @zamung9033 Před 8 lety

    Thanks

  • @francoismeyer7929
    @francoismeyer7929 Před rokem

    thanks brohemoth! clear & concise tutorial🤘

  • @dwhee3647
    @dwhee3647 Před 8 lety

    Great job man...inspirational! Keep it up