Is he the Dragoon from _IV_ where he's cool, or a Dragoon from _XIV_ where he does a triple backflip off the edge of the arena and contributes moral support?
One thing i never noticed about this game as a kid but did during this watch through. Noticably on this world Sora has no shadow after Riku makes the shadow Sora, but gets it back after you beat shadow Sora. A fun little thing that doesn't seem super necessary but it's really cool.
@31:58 *Sora:* "So then, I started flying around! It was great!" *Kairi:* "Sora? How, exactly, did you start flying?" *Sora:* "I just needed some Pixie Dust!" *Kairi:* "Pixie dust." *Sora:* "Yeah! it helped me beat up a pirate, who swam away from a crocodile, and then I shot a clock, and then I started dreaming about Riku falling in love with a keyhole, I think? Or was that HIS memory, and not mine?" *Kairi:* "..." *Sora:* "And then I read a scientific report!" *Kairi:* "Okay, NOW I don't believe you."
I'd like to contribute to the discourse that Hook is either a bumbling goon _or_ is terrifyingly competent, and there's no in-between. • In _I,_ he's an idiot, one of the few villains to not get a phase II fight or reappear later in the timeline. • In _BBS,_ he's a first-class manipulator (although, to be fair, Terra is the party himbo), and is skilled with his cutlass. • In _Chain of Memories_ (both versions), he is a real _nasty piece-of-work,_ and would conventionally be a Red Mage - able to fight in close-quarters before leaping out of the way and absolutely *devastating* the arena with explosions. He is one of the earlier bosses that serves as the wall of "No, really, things work different here. This is a card game with numbers. Break my hand or I will break your neck."
There is actually a little gimmick with the clock tower besides the superboss; at each hour of REAL ASS REAL TIME, one of the doors on the top of the tower will open and give you a chest.
That's something I always wondered that was never addressed: if you went back to Tarzan land and asked Jane where she was from, she'd say England. And then you travel to Neverland and ask Wendy where she was from, she'd say England. Does that mean there are two or more entirely separate Englands? Or were they converged before they ended up on their respective planets?
@@stillrememberstartropics4290 At the very least, they're probably separated by time, which more or less makes them different worlds, though KH is weird with how time works for the worlds, since it only cares about the movie plots. The Englands from Pirates of the Carribean, 101 Dalmations, Tarzan, and Peter Pan are more or less just as different as your Frances from Beauty and the Beast, Aristocats, and Hunchback of Notre Dame.
I imagine a Pooh summon would just work like Fat Chocobo from FF7R. He just falls from the sky with a giant pot of honey on his head and rolls around damaging enemies as he makes contact with them.
I always wondered why the Peter Pan keyhole was off center and hearing Ironicus say that's where a winding key would go made everything click into place.
It wasn't until like the fifth let's play I watched of this that I realised Sora's shadow is completely gone in this world and ONLY reappears after beating his Shadow. Which is amazingly subtle for this game to do and I'm shocked they never point it out and it's very cutely in vogue with Neverland. It also makes this much less distracting because lore-wise this was a super-confusing boss to me, and I thought it meant a lot more than it actually did!
Tinkerbell isnt just A summon, she is the BEST summon. Through the power of every LG's favorite Bratty Bottom, you can simply *not die.* That's right. the Fairy has the power to *defy death.* you're now her second favorite Mortal. you dont get to die until she's done _playing_ with you.
Ironicus dunking Ansem and his reports is really funny. Even in the larger context, he really is someone who thinks they know it all, but they're wrong.
Sora: The Heartless will consume your heart! Riku: No they won't, I'm built different. .....So Hook can command the Heartless Right? Why doesn't he sic them on the Crocodile and either kill it or turn it into a Heartless? "Peter seems kinda gobliney." Why do you insult Goblins. You can cheese Hook by knocking him over the ship, and as he flees combo him once or twice and just repeat. I think Hook is the first villain we've seen not killed, swallowed by the Heartless, or sealed away after beating them.
"358/2 Days" handles Neverland a bit better. It's not confined to the ship, and it's a great, big area that's pretty fun to fly around once you learn how.
Man I know it would be a huge investment and I’m totally not expecting it to happen anytime soon but a C&I KH2 let’s play would be sooo fun lol! Just listening to Grant react to the huge pancake stack of Very Important Lore
Getting to fly around was always my favorite thing as a kid playing this game, always felt so fun and cool. I loved being able to glide in other worlds too.
So, I don't know if you're gonna go into this because it isn't that interesting at all, but after sealing the keyhole, you can return to the clock tower, and get some items from the doors in the roof, including some stat ups, but they're all tied to what time it is on the clock, which is determined by the in game timer.
Despite being such a two-bit villain, Hook has some really good lines. I especially enjoy 28:29. Corey Burton really nails the voice direction of "pain, surprise, then impotent rage" as Hook fumbles with the situation.
the face(s) of Big Ben actually does have the 4 written as IV instead of IIII, the game actually did do it right EDIT: oh of course as soon as I say that it gets corrected in the video lmao
Owl said in the first pooh chapter he knew the pages were gone and were scattered in other worlds and they never elaborate on why or how he didn't lose his memory, maybe he can fly far enough to physically escape the book
Man I wanna see KH2 and KH3 so Chip & Ironicus can see how much the series evolved in terms of animation. Also to see how crazy the overarching story gets.
KH2 alone would be fun to hear just because of the huge leap in gameplay that is. 100% that was a real challenge especially with those extra Hades Cups.
@@Aregulargameplayer While I agree entirely...they'd have to go through CoM first, and while I like that game, it's so light on plot that it's not much to LP.
And yet introduces so many concepts and characters you really can't skip it. KH2 is certainly enjoyable on its own but it's crazy how much they just assume you know from a game most people skipped because it was just a handheld 'spinoff'.
Neverland IS really short, if you know where to go!... It's really hard to know where to go when you're playing this game for the first time. Or maybe I was just a dumb kid.
Yeah, Chip didn't even go to every room, I think. And he didn't cover the cool thing with the clock tower and how you get a chest for each hour. Neverland's SPEEDRUN is short, its 100% isn't.
Big Ben isn't a grandfather clock, Ironicus, not to mention that it's not even the name of the clock! You have brought shame to this Let's Play with your false clock facts!
As someone who is from Great Britain, I'm going to find out where he lives and I'm going to set torch to his White House. (Big Ben is the *bell.* The tower is named Elizabeth Tower.)
The dancing Sora shadow is, I think, meant to be this game's equivalent of Peter Pan's shadow. It's too weird a thing to not be, really. e; Also like Neverland in this game feels weirdly... incomplete. Like the ship is tiny (even by this game's standards) and the only other place is the immediate area surrounding Big Ben. There must have been more planned that just never made the game, surely.
24:42 For some reason this line read has always stuck with me. It's such an unnatural string of words and it's delivered with such strange cadence, and yet to me at least it doesn't sound bad. A testament to good voice work and direction, or just my childhood brain fixated on the cartoon pirate saying nonsense a Japanese game dev came up with? You decide
I agree with everyone that KH2 would be a great LP to see, but there could also be some interesting stuff in terms of gameplay with Chain of Memories, since that's also included in the HD collection.
I don't know if there's a definitive reason why Big Ben is an exception to the usual "roman numerals on clock faces" vibe, but personally I will note a lot of modern watchmakers stick to it for visual balance between 4 (IIII) and 8 (VIII), but the extremely tight typography with its weird-ass Vs used on Big Ben makes that a non-starter.
16:30 I know exactly what part you mean and honestly, What Makes the Red Man Red is so incredibly offensive in its stereotyping, without realizing it AT ALL, that I can't help but laugh at the sheer absurdity of it all. This isn't a Speedy Gonzales situation where it turns out no, Mexicans actually love the character. This pissed off American Indians even at the time and the only reason Disney didn't know was because they didn't bother to ask a single one first. There's a point, and admittedly it rarely happens, where racism is so over the top that it almost feels like a parody of racism, and the cherry on top was that it was seemingly completely unintentional. Contrast that with Savages in Pocahontas which is probably the 2nd best song in the movie (because nothing tops Mine, Mine, Mine) which even though it dehumanizes people, but that's the entire point because both sides are singing it. Both sides have given in to their hatred and just see the other side as just a faceless Other to destroy.
"I don't love EVERY PART of this one..." yeah going back and watching Peter Pan for the first time in years when I was like a teenager was a trip because the racism really just fucking smacks you in the face, you just end up like "oh GOD no stop" it's so uncomfortableeeeee
I said it elsewhere in the comments but that scene is so hilariously over the top in its racism (racism that was somehow unintentional DESPITE doubling down on the stereotypes already present in the original play, mind you) that I can't help but laugh. To reach that level of wrong, and not do it on purpose, is almost a work of art. It's the Tommy Wiseau of racism, you can't replicate it on purpose without just being overt and open with what you're trying to say like the old anti-Japanese WW2 cartoons. It wasn't an "it was a different time" thing, or even a Speedy Gonzales situation where it turns out Mexicans love the characters and it's white people that cringe. No this pissed off American Indians even back then and they never thought to ask a single one if it was offensive. As I said elsewhere, contrast that with Savages in Pocahontas which is probably the 2nd best song in the movie (because nothing tops Mine, Mine, Mine) which even though it dehumanizes people, that's the entire point because both sides are singing it. Both sides have given in to their hatred and just see the other side as just a faceless Other to destroy. That's racism with a purpose, to try and make a salient point. This was super racist without even attempting it, and I find a morbid hilarity in that.
Tigger is the Dragoon, obviously.
Tigger saves me from party wipe moves
Is he the Dragoon from _IV_ where he's cool, or a Dragoon from _XIV_ where he does a triple backflip off the edge of the arena and contributes moral support?
@@Noxedwin He rockets off into space just as the boss is about to use Almagest and returns just in time to save the party's bacon.
@@Noxedwin He's Freya, the Dragoon that jumps but then you win the fight before she comes back down so she contributed nothing.
One thing i never noticed about this game as a kid but did during this watch through. Noticably on this world Sora has no shadow after Riku makes the shadow Sora, but gets it back after you beat shadow Sora. A fun little thing that doesn't seem super necessary but it's really cool.
It's funny how disappointed Ironicus sounds when something _isn't_ nonsense.
@31:58 *Sora:* "So then, I started flying around! It was great!"
*Kairi:* "Sora? How, exactly, did you start flying?"
*Sora:* "I just needed some Pixie Dust!"
*Kairi:* "Pixie dust."
*Sora:* "Yeah! it helped me beat up a pirate, who swam away from a crocodile, and then I shot a clock, and then I started dreaming about Riku falling in love with a keyhole, I think? Or was that HIS memory, and not mine?"
*Kairi:* "..."
*Sora:* "And then I read a scientific report!"
*Kairi:* "Okay, NOW I don't believe you."
I'd like to contribute to the discourse that Hook is either a bumbling goon _or_ is terrifyingly competent, and there's no in-between.
• In _I,_ he's an idiot, one of the few villains to not get a phase II fight or reappear later in the timeline.
• In _BBS,_ he's a first-class manipulator (although, to be fair, Terra is the party himbo), and is skilled with his cutlass.
• In _Chain of Memories_ (both versions), he is a real _nasty piece-of-work,_ and would conventionally be a Red Mage - able to fight in close-quarters before leaping out of the way and absolutely *devastating* the arena with explosions. He is one of the earlier bosses that serves as the wall of "No, really, things work different here. This is a card game with numbers. Break my hand or I will break your neck."
That's why I always try to fight Hook first when I can in CoM, his stats will be lower.
There is actually a little gimmick with the clock tower besides the superboss; at each hour of REAL ASS REAL TIME, one of the doors on the top of the tower will open and give you a chest.
I like to imagine the final confrontation from The Great Mouse Detective is happening inside that clock tower while Sora is flying around like a dork.
That's something I always wondered that was never addressed: if you went back to Tarzan land and asked Jane where she was from, she'd say England. And then you travel to Neverland and ask Wendy where she was from, she'd say England. Does that mean there are two or more entirely separate Englands? Or were they converged before they ended up on their respective planets?
@@stillrememberstartropics4290 At the very least, they're probably separated by time, which more or less makes them different worlds, though KH is weird with how time works for the worlds, since it only cares about the movie plots.
The Englands from Pirates of the Carribean, 101 Dalmations, Tarzan, and Peter Pan are more or less just as different as your Frances from Beauty and the Beast, Aristocats, and Hunchback of Notre Dame.
@@stillrememberstartropics4290 There have been like three different Frances in KH so far, and two of them were in the same game. So probably.
I imagine a Pooh summon would just work like Fat Chocobo from FF7R. He just falls from the sky with a giant pot of honey on his head and rolls around damaging enemies as he makes contact with them.
so...Emperor Rappy from PSO2. Just...dropping in, flapping about, rolling around.
I always wondered why the Peter Pan keyhole was off center and hearing Ironicus say that's where a winding key would go made everything click into place.
It wasn't until like the fifth let's play I watched of this that I realised Sora's shadow is completely gone in this world and ONLY reappears after beating his Shadow. Which is amazingly subtle for this game to do and I'm shocked they never point it out and it's very cutely in vogue with Neverland.
It also makes this much less distracting because lore-wise this was a super-confusing boss to me, and I thought it meant a lot more than it actually did!
Yeah, Sora's Shadow isn't a Heartless at all, it's literally just his shadow given life because the Peter Pan world operates on Peter Pan rules.
38:10 In the background, Goofy falls off of Big Ben, clings desperately to a ledge, then plummets to his doom, before remembering that he can fly.
Tinkerbell isnt just A summon, she is the BEST summon.
Through the power of every LG's favorite Bratty Bottom, you can simply *not die.*
That's right. the Fairy has the power to *defy death.* you're now her second favorite Mortal. you dont get to die until she's done _playing_ with you.
Like Titania and the Warrior of Light - lovely, jealous, and terrifyingly powerful, all wrapped up in the vessel of something that seems so childish.
Ironicus dunking Ansem and his reports is really funny. Even in the larger context, he really is someone who thinks they know it all, but they're wrong.
So I cannot unsee this. 21:03 No one else shan't. Goofy is throwing it back hard. I need this a as an apng with some audio to go with it. But Godddamn
Sora: The Heartless will consume your heart!
Riku: No they won't, I'm built different.
.....So Hook can command the Heartless Right?
Why doesn't he sic them on the Crocodile and either kill it or turn it into a Heartless?
"Peter seems kinda gobliney."
Why do you insult Goblins.
You can cheese Hook by knocking him over the ship, and as he flees combo him once or twice and just repeat.
I think Hook is the first villain we've seen not killed, swallowed by the Heartless, or sealed away after beating them.
"358/2 Days" handles Neverland a bit better. It's not confined to the ship, and it's a great, big area that's pretty fun to fly around once you learn how.
BBS also has a much more in depth Neverland.
@@MsMeiriona The downside is that it also has reminders of the part of Peter Pan that uh...doesn't hold up very well
@@mimimalloc yeeeeah, that it does.
@@mimimalloc I mean the village is there but...none of the people are. Which just feels wierd.
Man I know it would be a huge investment and I’m totally not expecting it to happen anytime soon but a C&I KH2 let’s play would be sooo fun lol! Just listening to Grant react to the huge pancake stack of Very Important Lore
Getting to fly around was always my favorite thing as a kid playing this game, always felt so fun and cool. I loved being able to glide in other worlds too.
The scene with Sora and co after defeating Hook is one of my favorite in KH1, for some reason it always stuck with me
Sora being the gooddest boy is the heart of this series.
So, I don't know if you're gonna go into this because it isn't that interesting at all, but after sealing the keyhole, you can return to the clock tower, and get some items from the doors in the roof, including some stat ups, but they're all tied to what time it is on the clock, which is determined by the in game timer.
According to a Winnie the Pooh comic, Kanga is a boxing champion.
Owl doesn't like the bouncing discussions because they remind him that he's old.
Despite being such a two-bit villain, Hook has some really good lines. I especially enjoy 28:29. Corey Burton really nails the voice direction of "pain, surprise, then impotent rage" as Hook fumbles with the situation.
the face(s) of Big Ben actually does have the 4 written as IV instead of IIII, the game actually did do it right EDIT: oh of course as soon as I say that it gets corrected in the video lmao
Owl said in the first pooh chapter he knew the pages were gone and were scattered in other worlds and they never elaborate on why or how he didn't lose his memory, maybe he can fly far enough to physically escape the book
7:16 in one of my groups gaming sessions we played a final fantasy tabletop RPG and i made a Dragoon and named him tigger
"Sora, if you really believe you can pilot an orbital frame!"
I feel like Pooh could also just be bumbling inside the tree and unleash a lot of bees to swarm the enemies
I really hope you guys do end up choosing to do more KH games after this one
Man I wanna see KH2 and KH3 so Chip & Ironicus can see how much the series evolved in terms of animation. Also to see how crazy the overarching story gets.
KH2 alone would be fun to hear just because of the huge leap in gameplay that is. 100% that was a real challenge especially with those extra Hades Cups.
@@JankyHB I would be down to see Chip play through critical mode and explain everything in detail like the MGR LP.
@@Aregulargameplayer While I agree entirely...they'd have to go through CoM first, and while I like that game, it's so light on plot that it's not much to LP.
And yet introduces so many concepts and characters you really can't skip it. KH2 is certainly enjoyable on its own but it's crazy how much they just assume you know from a game most people skipped because it was just a handheld 'spinoff'.
Neverland IS really short, if you know where to go!... It's really hard to know where to go when you're playing this game for the first time. Or maybe I was just a dumb kid.
Yeah, Chip didn't even go to every room, I think. And he didn't cover the cool thing with the clock tower and how you get a chest for each hour. Neverland's SPEEDRUN is short, its 100% isn't.
Nah. For such a tiny space it's got a lot of nooks. I remember having some difficulty when I was a kid, too.
You score more on Tigger's giant pot by hitting the nuts higher, don't you?
Big Ben isn't a grandfather clock, Ironicus, not to mention that it's not even the name of the clock! You have brought shame to this Let's Play with your false clock facts!
As someone who is from Great Britain, I'm going to find out where he lives and I'm going to set torch to his White House.
(Big Ben is the *bell.* The tower is named Elizabeth Tower.)
31:15 Should have turned into the Dustin Hoffman Hook for his second phase.
3D Peter Pan looks like the Grinch
The dancing Sora shadow is, I think, meant to be this game's equivalent of Peter Pan's shadow. It's too weird a thing to not be, really.
e; Also like Neverland in this game feels weirdly... incomplete. Like the ship is tiny (even by this game's standards) and the only other place is the immediate area surrounding Big Ben. There must have been more planned that just never made the game, surely.
sora even lacks the drop shadow unlike the other party members in this world
24:42 For some reason this line read has always stuck with me. It's such an unnatural string of words and it's delivered with such strange cadence, and yet to me at least it doesn't sound bad. A testament to good voice work and direction, or just my childhood brain fixated on the cartoon pirate saying nonsense a Japanese game dev came up with? You decide
Riku takes Bayer Aspirin the only way to fight the Heartless consuming your heart lol
I agree with everyone that KH2 would be a great LP to see, but there could also be some interesting stuff in terms of gameplay with Chain of Memories, since that's also included in the HD collection.
I don't know if there's a definitive reason why Big Ben is an exception to the usual "roman numerals on clock faces" vibe, but personally I will note a lot of modern watchmakers stick to it for visual balance between 4 (IIII) and 8 (VIII), but the extremely tight typography with its weird-ass Vs used on Big Ben makes that a non-starter.
You do have access to High Jump in Pooh Book.
What I'd like to know is Grant's opinion on Hook.
Peter pan 1953
16:30 I know exactly what part you mean and honestly, What Makes the Red Man Red is so incredibly offensive in its stereotyping, without realizing it AT ALL, that I can't help but laugh at the sheer absurdity of it all. This isn't a Speedy Gonzales situation where it turns out no, Mexicans actually love the character. This pissed off American Indians even at the time and the only reason Disney didn't know was because they didn't bother to ask a single one first. There's a point, and admittedly it rarely happens, where racism is so over the top that it almost feels like a parody of racism, and the cherry on top was that it was seemingly completely unintentional.
Contrast that with Savages in Pocahontas which is probably the 2nd best song in the movie (because nothing tops Mine, Mine, Mine) which even though it dehumanizes people, but that's the entire point because both sides are singing it. Both sides have given in to their hatred and just see the other side as just a faceless Other to destroy.
... Did any of The Lads ever actually acknowledge with Tinkerbell's existence, let alone directly interact with her?
We gotta get Eeyore high
I forgot how stupid the dialogue in these games is sometimes. I love it.
Heart Heart Heartless Heart? Darkness Darkness Darkness.
"I don't love EVERY PART of this one..." yeah going back and watching Peter Pan for the first time in years when I was like a teenager was a trip because the racism really just fucking smacks you in the face, you just end up like "oh GOD no stop" it's so uncomfortableeeeee
I said it elsewhere in the comments but that scene is so hilariously over the top in its racism (racism that was somehow unintentional DESPITE doubling down on the stereotypes already present in the original play, mind you) that I can't help but laugh. To reach that level of wrong, and not do it on purpose, is almost a work of art. It's the Tommy Wiseau of racism, you can't replicate it on purpose without just being overt and open with what you're trying to say like the old anti-Japanese WW2 cartoons. It wasn't an "it was a different time" thing, or even a Speedy Gonzales situation where it turns out Mexicans love the characters and it's white people that cringe. No this pissed off American Indians even back then and they never thought to ask a single one if it was offensive.
As I said elsewhere, contrast that with Savages in Pocahontas which is probably the 2nd best song in the movie (because nothing tops Mine, Mine, Mine) which even though it dehumanizes people, that's the entire point because both sides are singing it. Both sides have given in to their hatred and just see the other side as just a faceless Other to destroy. That's racism with a purpose, to try and make a salient point. This was super racist without even attempting it, and I find a morbid hilarity in that.
You guys know the majority wants it uncut, just look at the comments, and the views
They have cut commentary there merely as an option, there’s no real reason _not_ to do it.