I would love if this somehow got to Lance Bass, he sat through the whole Ice Titan fight, then just immediately shut it off when Chip said he was in Backstreet Boys
I think I have been watching you guys for over 10 years now. Amazing that you still pump out quality let's plays. At this point you guys are the equivalent of comfort food to me. Just feels right to watch you have fun with videogames. Very cozy.
I remember Chip's chaotic energy during the MGS3-era. It's kind of crazy how much he's mellowed out and has honed his attention to detail when it comes to gameplay mechanics since then. Meanwhile, Ironicus is still the same ol' laidback guy he's always been, just with more trivia knowledge, because why mess with perfection?
Oh dear, hearing Lance Bass' lines clearly like that does not do his self-proclaimed "godly baritone" any favors. Can't blame him for seizing the opportunity, though.
It's so odd hearing this Sephiroth performance because it doesn't sound bad but it clashes against what we now understand is Sephiroth's voice direction, that being more reserved and monotone. Can't even blame anyone for the performance, this was the second time Sephiroth had been voiced, but first time in English so one can only imagine they were still trying to figure out how to emote the lines the character said.
After all the other Sephiroth performances, this sounds less like what we know him as, and more akin to a friendly rival character you have to fight multiple times throughout a game.
Oh! He was saying "Descend, Heartless Angel". I never heard that audio cleanly, and everyone back in the day thought he was saying "Sin Harvest". But it makes sense; Heartless Angel was the attack Sephiroth could do to lower the party's HP to 1 in FF7.
Couple of other neat things about these bosses... Sephiroth is the only other boss with TOO MUCH HP to display. So hitting him at the start will simply not move his HP bar till the invisible HP is depleted. For Ice Titan, you may remember that we have Aeroga now. The -ga version in particular deflects projectiles automatically... except if you use it against him, he goes completely ballistic and makes the icicles 10 times bigger and completely impossible to deflect!
One of the funnest parts of Sora coming to Smash is all the KH memes of Sephiroth coming to Smash to fuck with Cloud and then Sora coming to Smash to fuck with Sephiroth.
Seeing the Ice Titan in the movie at a very young age most certainly informed my definition of cool for a while, which made me PRIME target demo for Bionicles and all sorts of shit like that. It also attracted me to all sorts of Metal album covers since a lot of them definitely have creatures that look menacing and pointy like him.
Listening to those isolated voice clips...boy I didn't realize how much of a step up DCAU JL Superman was for voicing Sephiroth for the next several titles.
See, the controversy I remember about the Sephiroth fight around Kingdom Hearts' original release was the debate over whether "Sin Harvest" was what was being said, and arguments for/over "Descend Heartless Angel."
Fun Fact: "Hydros" (the Ice Titan here,) is the name of a real mythological creature from Homer! It's usually some form of water snake, and it caused a war between mice and frogs, which Zeus eventually ended by sending crabs against the mice. I, for one, feel Disney robbed us by excluding that part. Lance Bass also admitted he couldn't beat the Ice Titan, which means the Ice Titan technically defeated Sephiroth!
I can absolutely believe that Sora has a killer batting average. He's the kind of kid I can see wearing a boy scout uniform and saying "Gee willikers!" in complete earnestness.
Definitely-Not-Fun Fun Fact: Heartless Angel, Sephiroth's HP-to-1 attack, was originally used during *Kefka's* final boss fight in Final Fantasy VI. It's become, however, synonymous with the son of Jenova because of, well, you know.
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that Lance Bass got to voice Sephiroth because somebody on the casting team just *really* wanted to meet Lance Bass and pulled a few strings to get him in the studio.
Lance Bass' interview has the same vibe as Travis Willingham voicing Roy Mustang and describing his experience trying to fight Roy in Fullmetal Alchemist and the Broken Angel. Only Travis had a much more detailed gamer rage story with it.
I like how Sephiroth just... shows up. No real intro, no explanation... he's just here. He shows up, kicks your ass probably, and leaves. Also, if I had made it to this fight as a kid I would've just given up immediately, like, "no, actually, fuck this".
Lance Bass' voice lines at the end there remind me, VIOLENTLY, of the voice acting from the first Baten Kaitos game. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but if you've heard the voices in that game, you probably know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
Voiced by Lance Bass and now by Tyler Hoechlin, of Superman & Lois fame. It's funny that he's playing the quote "Superman" of two different universes, since Sephiroth is seen as Superhuman for what he's capable of.
For the record, I knew who Lance Bass was as a kid, and I actually really liked his voice work for this fight. They got better VA choices in later incarnations but they coulda done worse, I enjoyed Bass' lines and still do!
I have to applaud the person who added Sephiroth into the game's original commercials. It was a big spoiler yes, but that tiny clip of him at the end probably sold a bunch of people on picking up the game.
Whenever I was a kid I heard about a Sephiroth fight (who I only knew from a Cloud vs. Sephiroth fight clip on early CZcams [from Advent Children I believe {which kid me and adult me both think is awesome as heck}]) and saw some grainy images of it. I always thought it was like one of those lies that kids made up. Eventually I figured out it was real and I was truly terrified to ever attempt it (not that I ever unlocked it anyways lol) but yeah this fight occupies a mythic and legendary status in my mind still. Very fun to finally see it get played.
I remember fighting Sephiroth like 4 times as a kid and then just giving up because I couldn't even get his first health bar down before he killed me. 10 year old me was not good at this video game.
I remember being so frustrated that we didn't get Final Mix on PS2 because I heard that it had that Cloud and Sephiroth confrontation, not that I could even beat the Sephiroth fight to begin with.
"We wanted to make a FF7 remake for years, it just never worked out." Yeah, they wanted to do a remake so bad, they made a stealth sequel instead. rofl
I really wish you landed the leaf bracer on Heartless Angel. I saw you deliberately letting him cast it just to try and flex on it :3 For those who aren't aware, you can leaf bracer almost ANYTHING by curing yourself at the right moment. Even the really bullshit stuff.
To be fair, knowing what the english dubbing industry was like at the time, the direction he got probably amounted to 'here's a picture of sephiroth, here are the lines, go.'
Sephiroth is one of the only bosses that I know of that has 4 phases. He has 6 HP bars with the 6th being invisible, and around 4.9 or 4.8 he enters phase 2 which permanently changes how he moves and approaches the player along with adding the dreaded Heartless Angel move. Around 3 HP bars he unlocks his first Desperation Move, that being what ever that flurry of slashes is called. And then the fourth phase begins around 1.8 HP bars, now adding the dark orbs, an entirely new normal attack which seems to be some sort of smaller version of the first DM, and on top of that he also unlocks a second DM.
For the record, that flurry of slashes is called "Wild Dance" in official sources such as the Japanese guide. The dark orb DM is "Shadow Flare", a recurring Final Fantasy spell that ended up becoming a signature move for Sephiroth after FF7's English translation replaced his Flare spell with it. It's followed him into Crisis Core, the FF7 remake, Dissidia, and Smash Bros. The third DM is Kingdom Hearts' interpretation of Super Nova, Sephiroth's ultimate technique that would recur in nearly all of his appearances.
@@SuperLuigiKart64 The dark orb DM? He has only two DMs, the wild dance and the meteor attack that ends with the big exploding sphere being thrown. The dark orbs are just one new normal move with him summoning a circle of them around you, and the rest are additions to him slashing and running around.
I always respect games that go hard with it's superbosses. Feels like that's less of a thing these days, though I don't exactly keep up with big releases too closesly, so I might be wrong.
The game itself is already hard by modern standards, but Elden Ring comes to mind, as does the Demi-Fiend in Shin Megami Tensei V. Both are bosses that show a lack of restraint, Elden Ring via the boss's unique mechanic of lifesteal and a very powerful ultimate move they can use as much as they want. Demi-Fiend in SMTV goes hard not just through his sheer power, but by setting specific rules you must follow in the fight. Breaking said rules results in dying instantly as he spams 100% accurate kill-moves forever.
@@SuperLuigiKart64 Oh I know all about Malenia. I beat that nice young lady with only the caestus (along with the rest of the game! Very fun run). Even learned to dodge waterfowl dance manually pretty consistently.
Superbosses are usually DLC now. Which sounds bad, but is arguably a better system than Kingdom Hearts used where to get access to them you had to import the entire game again in a language you didn't speak
I understand that young teenage boys overreact to hearing boy bands in their proximity, I’m well aware. That being said damn would I not have liked this to be the model for Sephiroth’s voice forever. I figure the entire FFVII EN VAs were recast for the sake of actually trying to vocally cast everyone with a fresh set of ears.
I assume it was also because the original english vas were already in their 40s in the mid 2010s and could be pushing 60 by the time the Remake games are finished. Barrets original vo is already in his 70s!
I didn't know about the Lance Bass almost going to space thing either, which makes a joke from the show Review all the funnier! There's an episode of Review where the main character goes on a commercial low-orbit flight or something, and Lance Bass guest stars, which must have been a reference to that! Incredible
Definitely had problems with the ice titan when I was a kid, though I did beat it when I was younger, I only beat sephiroth recently (Because I've only gotten to level 100 recently.) it's a real fight even with the best stuff
It's honestly a shame that "Sin Harvest" hasn't been reused as an actual attack name in Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy, because it sounds really badass. "Heartless Angel" is ok, but very Engrish-y like a lot of final boss spell names in that series. Also it makes you wonder what Sora has done to have sinned so much that harvesting it brings him to the brink of death
Heartless Angel sounds normal to me, weird for an attack name but the phrase itself works fine, it's an angel that's a real jerk. Sin Harvest sounds WAY more engrish to me, what does that even mean? How do you harvest a sin???
@@ElectricBarrier I mean yeah, Heartless Angel is a perfectly acceptable phrase, but a bad attack name. That's what I meant. Sin Harvest doesn't need to be taken literally. Just using some of Sora's attacks as example, Sonic Blade isn't actually a blade made of sound, Ripple Dive isn't a headfirst plummet into disturbed water, and while technically Gravity Break can be used to destroy things, it isn't always the finishing blow that breaks foes when it is used. "Sin Harvest" sounds evocative to me, conjuring up images of sinners being reaped (harvested) by some overwhelming and cold yet divinely motivated force. It could be a big ass scythe swing or it could be draining some dark energy from target via magic. It is profoundly silly sounding when you try to imagine someone in real life saying it, but if you imagine some gnarled old wizard or brooding anime swordsman using an attack named like that then it's not too bad
@@metalsonic8888 Yeah I see what you mean, but that's just it; it's all metaphorical. Heartless Angel is just "well the angel's a dick so he takes all your HP and MP". I think it's equally silly and fitting for some over the top anime character that's some kind of evil divine figure to say. What I mean is, Sin Harvest sounds like a name by someone who doesn't fully grasp english and wrote an english attack name, Heartless Angel is just a translation of "Kokoronai Tenshi"(no heart angel) which is why it sounds more natural to me. But to conclude I see what you mean, I guess it's a difference of perspective. One I might also share if I ever misheard it, but I never got that far back in the day and only ever heard him say the real name in 2 lol.
@@ElectricBarrier As just a minor point, the reason I think Heartless Angel sounds weird is that it isn't a summon. It's clearly a descriptor for some other being and not, like, something Sephiroth has or a way he performs an action. If it was officially called "Heartless Angel's Descent" or "Summon Heartless Angel" or something to that effect it would be fine. But historically it has not been referred to that way and in Kingdom Hearts no angel even appears as part of the attack
@@metalsonic8888 Which is weird, because one DOES show up when Kefka, him, and the final boss of Lightning Returns uses it in the original games. He consistently does something else when he casts it in spin offs!
Thank god Grant was there to make sure Chip didn't embarrass himself by stating, unchallenged, that Lance Bass was part of Backstreet Boys.
CHAOTIC CHIP
I would love if this somehow got to Lance Bass, he sat through the whole Ice Titan fight, then just immediately shut it off when Chip said he was in Backstreet Boys
I think I have been watching you guys for over 10 years now. Amazing that you still pump out quality let's plays.
At this point you guys are the equivalent of comfort food to me. Just feels right to watch you have fun with videogames. Very cozy.
I remember Chip's chaotic energy during the MGS3-era. It's kind of crazy how much he's mellowed out and has honed his attention to detail when it comes to gameplay mechanics since then.
Meanwhile, Ironicus is still the same ol' laidback guy he's always been, just with more trivia knowledge, because why mess with perfection?
@@CrimsonMoonM RIP Mission J. Frog
Oh dear, hearing Lance Bass' lines clearly like that does not do his self-proclaimed "godly baritone" any favors. Can't blame him for seizing the opportunity, though.
There's a reason they mixed them so low you can't hear a single line from him.
It's so odd hearing this Sephiroth performance because it doesn't sound bad but it clashes against what we now understand is Sephiroth's voice direction, that being more reserved and monotone. Can't even blame anyone for the performance, this was the second time Sephiroth had been voiced, but first time in English so one can only imagine they were still trying to figure out how to emote the lines the character said.
After all the other Sephiroth performances, this sounds less like what we know him as, and more akin to a friendly rival character you have to fight multiple times throughout a game.
Oh! He was saying "Descend, Heartless Angel". I never heard that audio cleanly, and everyone back in the day thought he was saying "Sin Harvest". But it makes sense; Heartless Angel was the attack Sephiroth could do to lower the party's HP to 1 in FF7.
Oh my gosh, a fellow Koronesuke.
Even the strategy guide thought he said 'Sin Harvest'.
Yoooo, all my friends and I used to think it was "Sin Harvest" too. It's a way cooler name anyway, if you ask me.
Couple of other neat things about these bosses... Sephiroth is the only other boss with TOO MUCH HP to display. So hitting him at the start will simply not move his HP bar till the invisible HP is depleted.
For Ice Titan, you may remember that we have Aeroga now. The -ga version in particular deflects projectiles automatically... except if you use it against him, he goes completely ballistic and makes the icicles 10 times bigger and completely impossible to deflect!
I'm so glad you included Lance Bass' isolated voice lines! I found them on youtube once and they've lived rent free in my head ever since.
RAAAAWR
Said the heartless angel
One of the funnest parts of Sora coming to Smash is all the KH memes of Sephiroth coming to Smash to fuck with Cloud and then Sora coming to Smash to fuck with Sephiroth.
One Twitter user described Sephiroth's entrance as a gacha drop and I've never been able to look at it the same way since.
WE'RE SO BACK
Chip joking about Ansem's Report being mistaken for poetry by Sephiroth makes me want a Crisis Core LP
"I'm picturing a cut of Hercules where the Titan fight is 15 minutes long"
Those are called Marvel movies.
The Sephiroth fight is so iconic in these games that Sora’s smash trailer even had a whole sequence dedicated to recreating it.
22:07 I like the idea that Nomura looked at *his own design* for Cloud, and went "...Hold my sake."
Seeing the Ice Titan in the movie at a very young age most certainly informed my definition of cool for a while, which made me PRIME target demo for Bionicles and all sorts of shit like that. It also attracted me to all sorts of Metal album covers since a lot of them definitely have creatures that look menacing and pointy like him.
Listening to those isolated voice clips...boy I didn't realize how much of a step up DCAU JL Superman was for voicing Sephiroth for the next several titles.
See, the controversy I remember about the Sephiroth fight around Kingdom Hearts' original release was the debate over whether "Sin Harvest" was what was being said, and arguments for/over "Descend Heartless Angel."
Fun Fact: "Hydros" (the Ice Titan here,) is the name of a real mythological creature from Homer! It's usually some form of water snake, and it caused a war between mice and frogs, which Zeus eventually ended by sending crabs against the mice. I, for one, feel Disney robbed us by excluding that part.
Lance Bass also admitted he couldn't beat the Ice Titan, which means the Ice Titan technically defeated Sephiroth!
That is so neat!
Chip's fighting ice titan the hard way.
Hide way up in the stands in a corner and just block the icicles, that's all it takes.
I can absolutely believe that Sora has a killer batting average. He's the kind of kid I can see wearing a boy scout uniform and saying "Gee willikers!" in complete earnestness.
I had no idea you could cancel the Heartless Angel attack. 12 year old me would have been glad to know that.
God the way the Ice titan walks is so cool
Definitely-Not-Fun Fun Fact: Heartless Angel, Sephiroth's HP-to-1 attack, was originally used during *Kefka's* final boss fight in Final Fantasy VI. It's become, however, synonymous with the son of Jenova because of, well, you know.
It doesnt help that the original translation of FF6 called it 'Fallen One' instead.
A number of other enemies in FF6 also use it, Kefka is just the most notable among them
My favorite thing is that everyone calls the attack Sin Heartless Angel because no one can hear the "Descend" clearly
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that Lance Bass got to voice Sephiroth because somebody on the casting team just *really* wanted to meet Lance Bass and pulled a few strings to get him in the studio.
Lance Bass' interview has the same vibe as Travis Willingham voicing Roy Mustang and describing his experience trying to fight Roy in Fullmetal Alchemist and the Broken Angel. Only Travis had a much more detailed gamer rage story with it.
I like how Sephiroth just... shows up. No real intro, no explanation... he's just here. He shows up, kicks your ass probably, and leaves. Also, if I had made it to this fight as a kid I would've just given up immediately, like, "no, actually, fuck this".
Lance Bass' voice lines at the end there remind me, VIOLENTLY, of the voice acting from the first Baten Kaitos game. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but if you've heard the voices in that game, you probably know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
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Voiced by Lance Bass and now by Tyler Hoechlin, of Superman & Lois fame. It's funny that he's playing the quote "Superman" of two different universes, since Sephiroth is seen as Superhuman for what he's capable of.
And George Newbern voiced DCAU Superman along with Sephiroth from AC until the Remake
Exactly what Jogproof said. Sephiroth and Superman have actually shared _two_ voice actors and I can't get over that fact.
@@PerfectDarkly we need a Multiverse or dream sequence in the new Animated universe where Lance voices a Superman in a JLA Band to complete the set.
"I wasn't owned by a 14 year old with a key."
For the record, I knew who Lance Bass was as a kid, and I actually really liked his voice work for this fight. They got better VA choices in later incarnations but they coulda done worse, I enjoyed Bass' lines and still do!
I have to applaud the person who added Sephiroth into the game's original commercials.
It was a big spoiler yes, but that tiny clip of him at the end probably sold a bunch of people on picking up the game.
Whenever I was a kid I heard about a Sephiroth fight (who I only knew from a Cloud vs. Sephiroth fight clip on early CZcams [from Advent Children I believe {which kid me and adult me both think is awesome as heck}]) and saw some grainy images of it. I always thought it was like one of those lies that kids made up. Eventually I figured out it was real and I was truly terrified to ever attempt it (not that I ever unlocked it anyways lol) but yeah this fight occupies a mythic and legendary status in my mind still. Very fun to finally see it get played.
I remember fighting Sephiroth like 4 times as a kid and then just giving up because I couldn't even get his first health bar down before he killed me. 10 year old me was not good at this video game.
I remember being so frustrated that we didn't get Final Mix on PS2 because I heard that it had that Cloud and Sephiroth confrontation, not that I could even beat the Sephiroth fight to begin with.
I love hearing them carrying over jokes from the Final Fantasy VII Remake LP when talking about Sephiroth
"We wanted to make a FF7 remake for years, it just never worked out."
Yeah, they wanted to do a remake so bad, they made a stealth sequel instead. rofl
Some superb timing with the Lance Bass trivia today.
One Winged Angel looks like Guy Fieris' keyblade-sona
Thank you for saying this
The Ice Titan and Sephiroth fights on the hardest difficulty are something special...
All these orbs in the Seph fight make me think of Niers orb based magic.
I really wish you landed the leaf bracer on Heartless Angel. I saw you deliberately letting him cast it just to try and flex on it :3
For those who aren't aware, you can leaf bracer almost ANYTHING by curing yourself at the right moment. Even the really bullshit stuff.
Nice vid! It's so cool to see the secret bosses get beat!
No disrespect to Lance Bass, but I find his Sephiroth voice here a bit to high pitched. A little bit too much emotion.
He sounds like a moody teenager
To be fair, knowing what the english dubbing industry was like at the time, the direction he got probably amounted to 'here's a picture of sephiroth, here are the lines, go.'
Sephiroth is one of the only bosses that I know of that has 4 phases. He has 6 HP bars with the 6th being invisible, and around 4.9 or 4.8 he enters phase 2 which permanently changes how he moves and approaches the player along with adding the dreaded Heartless Angel move. Around 3 HP bars he unlocks his first Desperation Move, that being what ever that flurry of slashes is called. And then the fourth phase begins around 1.8 HP bars, now adding the dark orbs, an entirely new normal attack which seems to be some sort of smaller version of the first DM, and on top of that he also unlocks a second DM.
For the record, that flurry of slashes is called "Wild Dance" in official sources such as the Japanese guide. The dark orb DM is "Shadow Flare", a recurring Final Fantasy spell that ended up becoming a signature move for Sephiroth after FF7's English translation replaced his Flare spell with it. It's followed him into Crisis Core, the FF7 remake, Dissidia, and Smash Bros.
The third DM is Kingdom Hearts' interpretation of Super Nova, Sephiroth's ultimate technique that would recur in nearly all of his appearances.
@@SuperLuigiKart64 The dark orb DM? He has only two DMs, the wild dance and the meteor attack that ends with the big exploding sphere being thrown. The dark orbs are just one new normal move with him summoning a circle of them around you, and the rest are additions to him slashing and running around.
Logically I know it's Descend, Heartless Angel, but I'll never be able to get Sin Harvest out of my mind.
I didnt know about the Cloud+Sephiroth cutscene what!!!!!!!! only ever saw the KH2 ones.
I always respect games that go hard with it's superbosses. Feels like that's less of a thing these days, though I don't exactly keep up with big releases too closesly, so I might be wrong.
The game itself is already hard by modern standards, but Elden Ring comes to mind, as does the Demi-Fiend in Shin Megami Tensei V. Both are bosses that show a lack of restraint, Elden Ring via the boss's unique mechanic of lifesteal and a very powerful ultimate move they can use as much as they want. Demi-Fiend in SMTV goes hard not just through his sheer power, but by setting specific rules you must follow in the fight. Breaking said rules results in dying instantly as he spams 100% accurate kill-moves forever.
@@SuperLuigiKart64 Oh I know all about Malenia. I beat that nice young lady with only the caestus (along with the rest of the game! Very fun run). Even learned to dodge waterfowl dance manually pretty consistently.
Superbosses are usually DLC now. Which sounds bad, but is arguably a better system than Kingdom Hearts used where to get access to them you had to import the entire game again in a language you didn't speak
Lance Bass is very funny in his episode of Review. He plays himself going to space!
Hi Lance, once you're done here be sure to check out the Metal Gear Rising Revengeance let's play!
Just what I needed
"Nothin' to it!" 😁
Seriously, you can deflect the icicles for damage?! I'm so bad at experimenting against these bosses. Ended up using fire and all my potion stock...
Lance Bass: Isn't Nirvana cool?
That was true power indeed!
Sephiroth has the same jiggle physics on his outstretched arm as 2B's glorious cheeks.
I understand that young teenage boys overreact to hearing boy bands in their proximity, I’m well aware. That being said damn would I not have liked this to be the model for Sephiroth’s voice forever. I figure the entire FFVII EN VAs were recast for the sake of actually trying to vocally cast everyone with a fresh set of ears.
I assume it was also because the original english vas were already in their 40s in the mid 2010s and could be pushing 60 by the time the Remake games are finished. Barrets original vo is already in his 70s!
I didn't know about the Lance Bass almost going to space thing either, which makes a joke from the show Review all the funnier! There's an episode of Review where the main character goes on a commercial low-orbit flight or something, and Lance Bass guest stars, which must have been a reference to that! Incredible
Definitely had problems with the ice titan when I was a kid, though I did beat it when I was younger, I only beat sephiroth recently (Because I've only gotten to level 100 recently.) it's a real fight even with the best stuff
Child me definitely fought the Ice Titan over and over to reach max level (and then still failed to ever beat Sephiroth).
I fast forwarded through the ice titan, to be completely honest
It's honestly a shame that "Sin Harvest" hasn't been reused as an actual attack name in Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy, because it sounds really badass. "Heartless Angel" is ok, but very Engrish-y like a lot of final boss spell names in that series. Also it makes you wonder what Sora has done to have sinned so much that harvesting it brings him to the brink of death
Heartless Angel sounds normal to me, weird for an attack name but the phrase itself works fine, it's an angel that's a real jerk. Sin Harvest sounds WAY more engrish to me, what does that even mean? How do you harvest a sin???
@@ElectricBarrier I mean yeah, Heartless Angel is a perfectly acceptable phrase, but a bad attack name. That's what I meant.
Sin Harvest doesn't need to be taken literally. Just using some of Sora's attacks as example, Sonic Blade isn't actually a blade made of sound, Ripple Dive isn't a headfirst plummet into disturbed water, and while technically Gravity Break can be used to destroy things, it isn't always the finishing blow that breaks foes when it is used. "Sin Harvest" sounds evocative to me, conjuring up images of sinners being reaped (harvested) by some overwhelming and cold yet divinely motivated force. It could be a big ass scythe swing or it could be draining some dark energy from target via magic. It is profoundly silly sounding when you try to imagine someone in real life saying it, but if you imagine some gnarled old wizard or brooding anime swordsman using an attack named like that then it's not too bad
@@metalsonic8888 Yeah I see what you mean, but that's just it; it's all metaphorical. Heartless Angel is just "well the angel's a dick so he takes all your HP and MP". I think it's equally silly and fitting for some over the top anime character that's some kind of evil divine figure to say.
What I mean is, Sin Harvest sounds like a name by someone who doesn't fully grasp english and wrote an english attack name, Heartless Angel is just a translation of "Kokoronai Tenshi"(no heart angel) which is why it sounds more natural to me.
But to conclude I see what you mean, I guess it's a difference of perspective. One I might also share if I ever misheard it, but I never got that far back in the day and only ever heard him say the real name in 2 lol.
@@ElectricBarrier As just a minor point, the reason I think Heartless Angel sounds weird is that it isn't a summon. It's clearly a descriptor for some other being and not, like, something Sephiroth has or a way he performs an action. If it was officially called "Heartless Angel's Descent" or "Summon Heartless Angel" or something to that effect it would be fine. But historically it has not been referred to that way and in Kingdom Hearts no angel even appears as part of the attack
@@metalsonic8888 Which is weird, because one DOES show up when Kefka, him, and the final boss of Lightning Returns uses it in the original games. He consistently does something else when he casts it in spin offs!
Damage sponge bosses are the type of boss I hate the most.
Ep 26 and ep 27