Christina Hoff Sommers & Sir Roger Scruton: Free speech, philosophy, and art | VIEWPOINT
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- Do modern campuses actually value ideas and intellectual discourse? Should there be limits on capitalism? Is modern architecture bad? Sir Roger Scruton and Christina Hoff Sommers discuss each of these topics and more.
Sir Roger Scruton's book "Fools, Frauds, and Firebrands": goo.gl/O0YDEZ
Christina Hoff Sommers is the Factual Feminist and a resident scholar at AEI: goo.gl/ChiQYD
Sir Roger Scruton was knighted in 2016 and is a philosopher and write: www.roger-scruton.com/
Class and knighthood 1:00
Sir Roger's definition of conservatism 2:45
Responding to critics on the left 5:15
"All attempts to get rid of everything and start again... end up as genocide" 6:08
Common law versus civil law 7:30
Changes in the culture of art history 8:35
In defense of beauty 12:09
Modern architecture: "A crime against the human soul" 14:09
1960s: The baby boomers grow into immaturity 17:06
"Could we build beautiful cities without bankrupting ourselves?" 18:42
Fools, Frauds, and Firebrands: Thinkers of the New Left 19:06
The virtue of clarity in writing 20:12
The state of modern campuses 21:44
Freedom of speech on campus 25:30
Outrage culture will undermine friendship 27:19
I don't hate the people I disagree with, but they hate me 28:34
"Freedom is a very good horse to ride, but to ride somewhere" 30:07
Reluctant capitalist 31:59
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I felt like I was sitting at the grown up table.
cambridge123456789 such a rare feeling these days
You were!
---at a retirement home for the terminally bitter maybe. D.A., NYC
I would not be invited to that table 🤔🙁
I had to look up the word 'mansard'. 🙈
I LOVE THAT TABLE ... otherwise , BETTER a la MacDonals .
The entire modern world needs to be "Scrutonized" very closely!
A great man Roger Scruton has
left the field. Much Respect.
Rest in Peace, and thank you....
Let's hope he figured out that he and those who agree with him are the lone arbiters of what is and isn't art. He's within his right to not like De Koenig, just as those of us who enjoy DK's work are free to disagree with Scrunton and his ilk. If Conservatism means replacing Foucalt with Scrunton, let's not cry too many tears for his death and the death of the ideology he represented
@@MechaJutaro HAHAHA..😂😂🤣 What a cynical comment! How is life as an underdog?😭
Scruton AND Hoff Sommers!!!! my god. what a day.
Anthony Zav
Roger Scruton is fairly old now. i actually have anxiety over him passing away. who can take his place?
Jordan Peterson? Niall Ferguson? Maybe not... Roger is the last Kenneth Clark
@@anthonyzav3769 fairly dead
I've been on a huge Scruton reading binge. He was a great asset to the world and is surely missed. I hope to pick up his mantle out of respect for him. I'm making it my goal to make the world more beautiful and to show the world beauty the way he did. RIP.
As someone who feels disconnected with a lot of the philosophical/political extremism of my generation, you two are currently a much needed voice of reason for me. I have especially experienced the friendship problems of conversational landmines when that shouldn't be the norm at all, I've felt a great deal of anxiety in this area. Thank you for this.
having recently graduated from architecture school, i could not agree more in regards to post-modernist literature being a secret language and completely lacking in clarity.
perry K Its obscure.
totally dude
Once I would have turned to BBC R4 for great mind food like this interview but sadly those days are long gone so thankful for YT/AEI/ the great Christina and the insanely under stated and brilliant Sir Scruton
"Mind food." Thank you so much for that phrase. I shan't forget it.
its great listening to self evident truths put over so concisely and of course listening to Christina Hoff Sommers soothing voice is always a pleasure
sorry to be pedantic but he's Sir Roger, not Sir Scruton, because that's how it works with a knighthood. To a British ear Sir Scruton sounds ridiculous :-)
Nobody could quarrel with "insanely understated and brilliant" though
I attend Wimbledon college of art in London currently its painting Honours Degree is ranked second in the world and the statements made in this video regarding art in the contemporary world are wholly inaccurate. One of my colleagues is 19 years old and produces paintings that bare comparison with Rembrandt and the Dutch masters. Yes there are others who are of a more conceptual approach however what is not discussed in this video is the validity of examining the darker side of the human condition. Art is about celebrating the transcendental nature of life but it is equally valid for an artist to look at the opposite side of our species.
Loved that you spoke directly to us millenials! Makes us want to participate in politics knowing people care.
I would love to see a conversation between Sir Roger and Camille Paglia
A stately ship on a storm-tossed sea, that.
Do you think he would manage to get a word in edgewise now and then?
Uh huh... ok...
Camille Paglia speaking in Georgetown pointed out that these classical English Lit writers weren't any establishment or patriarchy. Rather, Dante and others were weirdos, depressives, insane, outcasts. They developed extraordinary skills and talents of expression that became recognized by The Masses and later perhaps acknowledged by elites.
Van Gogh wasn't admired except by his brother or close friends until after his death.
Shakespeare (as little as I know his works) mocked the royals, hubris, and wrote in common language and slang, for the people.
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Paglia also brought up positives and negatives about Marx & Marxists with Peterson.
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Aayan Hirsi Ali is a person who *should* be a hero of the Left, vs dogmatic Islamic fundamentalism, but since "conservatives" such as Dubya Bush and his cheering squad attacked Iraq and others in the Middle East - partly by leveraging Islamic crazies - that drives The Left to knee jerk automatically defend those brown/olive skin non-white victims, while ignoring or denying content and context.
She's a bit too "manic" compared to Sir Rogers calm and thoughtful manner. I think it would be a disaster.
RIP to an intellectual giant.
Sir Roger, you are looking better than ever.
"The principles are deduced from the particulars and not the other way around."
That quote, right there, may be the best part of intellectually responsible conservatism. I say this as a center-left person who greatly respects the best parts of conservatism. Roger Scruton is a treasure.
Wow! Two civilized people having an intelligent conversation...what a strange sight.
The fruits of 'mutual respect'~
Only criticism: too short of an interview.
@Gareth Lloyd - Boooooooooo!
Genius! This is the expression i will use a lot, from now on, when describing post-modernism, marxism, nihilism, materialism and so on: *crime against the human soul*
I've loved Christina since The War Against Boys. It's nice to see she is just as sharp and lovely while interviewing as she is in print. Great listener and observer. I'm glad the CZcams algorithm brought her interviews to me. I look forward to the rest.
I enjoyed watching this video. Our world needs people like Roger Scruton who are deeply educated.
"Love of the things that you've inherited." Sir Roger's perfect summation.
I miss this man. I keep coming back to the well. Thanks to all his videos and books.
Thank you so much for this interview with Roger Scruton!
#BasedMom
Thank you very much for this interview. Being a self-taught person I keep fresh my sense of awe an need of thankfulness. Thank you again for the generosity of sharing your knowledge.
From Buenos Aires , Argentina.
2 of the most compelling people I listen to. Two heroes. What a combo. Love it particularly the bit about the modern architecture!
Not sure how fast I can get the latest book but thank you for the conversation, it was uplifting.
Was wondering when you were going to upload this! Really interesting talk, kind of interested in buying his book now!
Been waiting weeks for this. Thanks very much
I love this; much of the thoughts I've had myself, especially about architecture of today and the fools reiterating jargon... everything about education... It is so refreshing to listen to people who make the same realizations.
Don't worry, you are never fully alone.
thanks based mom for introducing me to this man. I'm looking forward to learning more from him.
Always heartwarming to hear Sir Roger speak.
I'm very grateful to Sir Roger Scruton. Although I graduated from the universities of Leiden and Utrecht, I never had much liking for books about philosophy. The books of Sir Roger Scruton changed this. Many thanks and best wishes from the Netherlands.
24:27 - I just thought it was a given, what I thought when I entered uni: this place is full of PhDs and Profs, I know almost nothing, and I need to be open to learning and take greatest care over what I'm submitting to make sure I'm not wasting their time. The idea that I should come in and tell faculty what's appropriate for me and my selfhood to be learning. Urgh!
To both of you, Thank you for your work and generosity in sharing such an interesting and thoughtful conversation between yourselves, two first class scholars. I think this is required listening.
I enjoyed listening to both of these people. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the great interview Christina, Does anyone else feel a new loosely defined center forming around the loud polarization? My fingers are crossed that 2017 will go down as the year we develop online conversational ethics which is to say you don't get a pass from the golden rule just because someone can't punch you through the screen yet. I mean when is the last time you told someone at a bar GFKYS or drink bleach? HA. I'll look forward to reading Roger's book
Superb dialogue. Bravo. Two great minds! Thoughtful. Illuminating. Respectful. Listen, learn & emulate these wonderful individuals.
“In the very depths of despair, there is beauty that redeems us!”
How is it that CZcams has managed to hide this guy from me for so long?!
Courageous & brilliant RIP sir....Dublin
Thank you for this conversation. It's very soothing to hear ideas discussed reasonably and with perspective and humility, with humanity and kindness. Without histrionics, deafness, virtue signalling, censoriousness and outage. I am indeed edified. Thank you
Love her hair!
Roger's is not bad, either; especially for a man of his age!
Stoffan2000 That's kinda sexist.
Isolation party Your hair is sexist.
Isolation party k
It's great, yeah. This is what CZcams comment boards are all about
What a charming interview
*_Thirty-four minutes of Reason .....beautiful!_*
Thank you for this
I like this interviewing. Christina is so nice!
This is Great - thank you!
Wow. Great discussion!
The Most important part of the interview was the last two minutes! I really wanted to know Sir Roger Scruton's view what can't be bought and sold.
I would like to see a conversation between Sir Roger Scruton and Dr Jordan B Peterson .
Seems to be in the works :)
Scruton’s wisdom focuses on the things we should celebrate, as well as the complaints that usually makeup these interviews. For this I find him particularly refreshing
Thank You. You are Thee Guiding Light.
Nicely lit.
When listening to them talk about architecture I wondered what Sir Roger Scruton would make of the architecture seen in science fiction films like "Blade Runner", "Ghost in the Shell", or the old SF movie "Metropolis".
Guess!
This movies are dystopian, and the architecture matches in character.
And the idiotic media in the UK have just got him sacked because he had the temerity to point out facts.
Conservatives that Liberals can understand. Thanks for reducing the polarization with this talk.
this is really good. very impressed.
Tracy Emin's bed is BEAUTIFUL! It's honesty makes it beautiful; it is as beautiful as life itself. She is one of the great artists of our time. If you can't see that, then you're propably blinded by your own convictions.
My two favourite living philosophers in one video. Very nice.
This is excellent. Sir Roger is a very great thinker.
Thank you
Scruton 😊
I agree entirely with everything said.
she's absolutely right about Boston city hall.
Edmund Burke (/ˈbɜːrk/; 12 January [NS] 1729 - 9 July 1797) was an Anglo-Irish statesman and philosopher. Born in Dublin, Burke served as a member of parliament (MP) between 1766 and 1794 in the House of Commons
Scruton has a wonderful way of discriminating knowledge and wisdom without being judgemental. Anyone offended by his words is lacking the open mind to receive them.
I would have enjoyed a conversation from these two great thinkers on the relation between income salary and the living cost. How can people find beauty if they are struggling to live?!
Great bit about architecture!
Thank you Christina Hoff Sommers, for this presentation of Sir Roger Scruton, I will enjoy his style And manners as a Gentleman of high Quality...! He is Inspiring ,soft spoken and very intuitive plus he could teach men to be better & absolutely not be just navel gazer especially our own...! I think that it becomes quite unhealthy & very dangerous to be so concentrate too much in our own self...!
Somewhere between an interview and a discussion, this was. No challenge or counterpoint, but I still enjoyed it.
💜 Mr Scrutin!
WOW, Love of the Actual, coming to the understanding of God's Love for us, is beautiful and part of our inheritance.
Another towering intellect to delve into. And I love his shoes! :)
Two intellectual titans. Wonderful conversation.
Sir Roger, you are so sorely missed
Keep it up, Roger, the Scrutniy Man.
I'm really not sure that Sir Roger is a Conservative, small 'c' perhaps. He seems to me a Christian, and very much one of the Anglican/Catholic persuasion. His admiration for the transcendent divine reality is striking and he encourages me to ponder the intrinsic beauty of the human person, 'created in the image'. Nar laga Dhia thu.
If not Scruton, then who is a Conservative? He seems to be the only one actually claiming to be a Conservative, can you clarify what you mean with the upper and lower case, and provide an example to distinguish them?
Wise words...
Scrotum comes off as someone who is both sincere and genuine ; such personal integrity is in short supply these days...
Autocorrect is not your friend.
@@helmsscotta Given how wrinkly he is now, I disagree
@Wanterhand hilarious that you've used the word balls when the oc misnamed him Scrotum ha
Please do a vid on nancy friday!
My favorite line re politics
From the film
'A matter of life and death'
David Niven saying over the radio
From his Lancaster on fire
'Conservative by nature
Labor by experience'
Liberty, yo! FREEDOM!!!!
I really love the quote because its very vindicative of today. "Artist going against their vocation". Where are the artist who take a stand say "this is my work and this is what my work intends." An Artist is a director of their vision and if you are not the artist, then you cannot direct that vision.
at 17:30 the closed captions should say "like a precious doll from the playbox in the attic", not "like a precious stove from the playbooks in the attic"
I agree
I love Roger Scruton! "since you are so satisfied with yourself you don't need the university; here's the front door, out you go."
*Christina Is about my age and I am head over heels in love with her*
P.S. Edited (Christina's name corrected) on Ms Emily Rosa's advice.
Your so in love with her that you don't even know her name.
Sorry, Ms Rose. I do get carried away. I will edit to correct. Thanks.
"On Ms Emily Rosa's advice" ROFL there we go again.
*English is not my native language. It is the fifth language I learned later in college. If you have noted another faux pas I will appreciate if you will deign to correct me.
Its fine, I even thought you did it on purpose to troll me ;)
"The Baby Boom generation grew into immaturity." How very well put! I was there: I was one of them. May succeeding generations forgive us!
As a millennial, I forgive the baby boomers. Forgive us as well, for we are not any better. Hopefully society doesn’t completely collapse.
It is perfectly obvious that many students today are not suited to the intellectual environment a University fosters. The whole point is one is exposed to a wealth of ideas and thoughts that require effort to understand and meaningfully explain. All sorts of information is there to be sought, marshalled and utilised to help one understand the world we live in. Why do we think the way we do? How did we get here?! What do we know about our ancestors? What can we reliably now about them? What knowledge matters? What is knowledge? How has the past shaped our world today? Why does my society have certain rules? Do we need rules? Should we offend people? Do we have a duty to offend? Is offending people disgraceful? What matters in life? Who should we listen to? Etc etc etc. A mature person asks questions and listens to the answers and tries to understand what answers are important. Too many students have no concern for freedom of speech and are determined to be offended. They will learn if they adopt some humility.
little contemplation on Sir Roger's last comment.
What a piece of man !
Very interesting man but I can't stop thinking of Peter O'Toole. Lol
I agree that one of the main functions of art is to reconcile our tragic existence through the beauty of a new perspective. What I don't agree with Roger on is his assumption that its all antagonistic to tradition. There were a few mid-century movements like Gutai in Japan or the New York School (abstract expressionsts) which derive from a counter-culture perspective, but over the years just like most things: they have found their place within society. No longer are these recieved as something repulsive or disgraceful, rather, just like classical painting, a unique take on the same thing we call life
>reconcile our tragic existence
Reconcile to what? Why,basically, tragic?
On architecture: How does Norman Foster get away with buildings like the Gherkin that waste enormous amounts of the clients space? Shearly his fame (or is "notoriety" the better word?), I would guess.
He went into the pit of communism and got out. Brave. Hell of a man.
21:54 - 22:05 Shouldn't that be part of our analysis of the past though? Why should the past be assumed to have only accurate lessons?
The people Sir Roger is talking about (angry student activists and their elders lost in post-modernist LARPing and experimentation) would be outraged at how Sir Roger-- in their view-- mischaracterised their behaviour and central impetus. See, THEY don't feel they're mindlessly destroying that which they oppose. They don't feel they are only advertising what they dislike and not showing what they love. Quite the opposite. They feel they are passionately protecting all they love from the forces which threaten its beautiful bloom and progression (personal freedom, sexual revolution, experimenting with identity, socialism, half-baked belief in Utopia, equality, minority groups in their country who need advocacy, connection of people all over the globe, the environment etc). Anything that threatens THEIR version of conserving and nurturing the things which THEY value is deemed immediately to come from wrong side of history' and they fight it in order to conserve THEIR values and skewed world view. They don't see it that way of course and seeing every point from their point of view was such fun-- I was playing Devil's Advocate the whole way through this great interview as if my life depended on it. Great fun and I highly recommend people go 'undercover' and try and see how well they can stealthily merge with their ideological, philosophical or political adversaries and truly understand how they'd react or deal with things in debate. Thank you for this upload, much better than a crossword puzzle when it comes to mental exercise. :)
A question of video aesthetics just occurred to me: Why is it that in so many of these videos anymore, the viewer's eyes are distracted by the guts of the studio?? The lights, the mikes, the random clutter on the floor...when did this technique come about??
I just looked up Boston City Hall. That is one monstrously ugly building indeed. There are lots more like it. It's almost as though there is a camp of modern architects who are bitter, resentful people who delight in plopping these hideous buildings in the middle of beautiful spaces. EDIT: Upon further reading, I discovered it was designed in 1962. No surprise there. Just about every building designed and built in the 1960s and 1970s is a monument to ugliness that should be razed.
I like the 70’s look 😂
Why does this seem even more relevant now in 2020...
Your respect for 'due process' is misplaced: at least in the UK. The Establishment can use and alter 'due process' to avoid actual JUSTICE, in order to maintain the status quo: and it frequently does. The UK does not have an independent judiciary: just scrutinise the Class that its judiciary is drawn-from; and belongs-to. They do the Establishment's bidding. This is why there is not a great deal of respect for the Law within the UK.