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Wars naturally create myths and legends. Some of those from the First World War still persist to this day.
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The Great War is THE channel to watch for WW1 history
very true
tvremote1234 agree
tvremote1234 yes
tvremote1234 indy neidel is my boi
I have enjoyed Indie Nidell's show, but it's a bit too US-centric to be truly magisterial.
drop the crappy music
0:46 It's a bit odd to compare the Tai Ping rebellion and WW1. The Tai Ping rebellion lasted about 15 years so it is not a surprise if it has cumulated a bigger of amount casualties in the long term. WW1 in comparison lasted "only" 4 years, so even if the Tai Ping rebellion had more casualties in the end, WW1 is the bloodiest of the two because it has killed more people in a shorter amount of time.
HORRIBLE MUSIC FOR A WW1 DOCUMENTARY BBC WHAT THE FUCK?
Utku Akbas they need 7 nations army
Utku Akbas how?
Hahahah exactly, (seriously though, the music was horrible)
Oh, sorry, I was still watching the beginning where the music was decent
What was the name of that song?
The BBC is a trusted Broadcasting organization ? MYTH !
Biased.......
BBcommunism......
BBolshie corp.....
Etc, etc
Sir p.precisely boss.
Lol, yea bloody brainwashing cooperation
grow up ...
british broadcasting system
The music does not match the mood AT ALL.
+andrew hall
I personally felt the music at start point 2:34 matched well. The song is all about youth and 'boys go on and on' like young men and even boys (some as young as 13) went over the top and charged at the enemy to almost certain death. Also 'it's been days and you changed your mind again' may link to those soldiers that thought why did they sign up and want to leave but the patriotism of the time and peer pressure kept them in the trenches. Of course this is just my opinion and everyone has their own thoughts.
+SAS Gunner" "and want to leave but the patriotism of the time and peer pressure," Yeah.for the King,the Empire and the preservation of the British race. Still think the modern pop music jars with the historical period and seems to be designed to appeal to the younger generation- specifically teenage girls or homosexual boys. I ,personally,hope it doesn't become a trend.
I have forgotten my name and my rank,i have lost my dog-tags and my gun,my boots long gone and my uniform in tatters,i am wondering in the desert trying to find my way back home.
I have left with no family and friends to leave a bunch of flowers on my grave and wipe my tombstone clean for i have no grave.
Only odd tired nightingales stop by and sing a song of sorrow.So all i do is to feed the wild poppies with my flesh and colour them dark red with my blood,and if you see an odd pink one,well,, it has been nearly 100 years since i shook the hands of my brothers in arm and saw them charging and jumping over my dead body.
Promise me lad next time on ANZAC day to buy yourself a red poppy and pin it proudly on your jacket close to your heart for all to see,and put the palm of your right hand on it and say "Lets not forget" say it load ""LETS NOT FORGET"" those that were fallen and left behind,those that have no grave and no tombstones,those like me who are called """UNKNOWN SOLDIERS""
With deepest respect and sorrow in the centenary of the first world war to all who were fallen and never came home regardless of their nationalities,because they were all SOLDIERS.
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with all due respect Christopher, have IMAGINATION and learn the life of OLD SOLDIERS, no drones, no bomb drop form 20 thousands feet up, you see the eyes your foes, and the rest of it, you want me to tell you more??,,,,,
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Sentimental tosh!
Sorry but, with no doubt, this music in the background should be definitely more gloomy!
By the way: I think, this war was so devastating because soldiers made a lot sacrifices and they did not see any positive effects of. That's why in their eyes this war was so brutal and bloody. Russian soldiers in the time of II WW lost a lot lot more colleagues but they saw the positive effects of. The front line still moved, so, terrible sacrifices were fully understood. Until today the veterans say: "Many of our were killed, but we overcame the enemies!"
WHY the weird ass music ruins the vid
kirby EXACTLY SO WEIRD
I feel attacked. I came back here from history purely for the music...
I'm not sure if I like the tone of this BBC video, it seems to trivialise and in some ways poke fun at an important period of world history and especially from our point of view, British history. I'm not even sure some of the facts are true especially the opening statement 'A British Tommy in a trench, probably somewhere in France - *For a start these guys are Irish'. Two things wrong with the latter part of that statement. At that time as Ireland was still part of the United Kingdom they would have been classed as British but more importantly just because a soldier may have been in a Irish regiment did not necessarily mean he was Irish, in fact he was more likely not to have been than was. My own Grandfather was an Irish Dragoon Guard but he was not Irish, had never been to Ireland and nor had the majority of his fellow dragoons. Just because you were in a particular regiment did not mean you actually had any connection with the regiments name. Regiments were filled by need not county or country attachment.
John Know ofc BBC would skew statistics shit like this
John... agreed. Typical of the what has sadly become something along the lines of -
the Bolshevik Broadcasting Commune.
I am sure that the "Irish" soldiers picture came from a movie which was analysed by a lip reader to disclose the individual conversations for a TV documentary. The lip reader said that the soldiers were talking with a strong accent which the presenter confirmed by saying the Battalion had been identified as from the NE of England.
ummm no hes right on this pic... thats one of the better known pics from ww1.... those troops are from the 16 irish div and regarded themselves as irish nationalists so would never see themselves as british tommys..
the vast majority of the 16th were southern irish same as the vast majority from the 36th were northern irish..
think the 10th was mostly irish as well...
you are correct in that they might not be all irish but the 16th did recruit in southern ireland and nowhere else regular irish regiments might differ in recruitment just as many irish men served in english welsh and scottish regments in fact many of the VCs won by irish men were won in english scottish and welsh regiments
Seems that the producers weren't too concerned over a fact like that!
When the photos blinked it freaked me out
I thought my vision started to get blurry because I'm tired, thanks for helping!
And so disrespectful.
yeah me too! when i saw it blink i thought i was going crazy
Ohhhhh, the deception of statistics. When they present that 89% of British soldiers survived, I think they had a responsibility to explain that the statistic refers to ALL British soldiers, which includes behind the lines support troops, and even the soldiers back in Britain. ---but that would take a few more seconds to explain.
Damien Zellers Don't forget this isn't normal history, this is BBC history and as with everything the BBC produce there is an undercurrent of manipulation and grooming for ulterior motives.
John Know The problem with history is it depends on who is telling the historical account. World War One is the sort of war you could fill an entire college library just from a the books alone, and there would still be too many books. With all the accounts and studies things are bound to fall by the wayside unintentionally, and there is the unfortunate aspect that not every is a historian who can grasp the depth of the historical account. It is next to impossible to tell the entire history of WWI. If nothing else it might inspire someone to look up these things if only to contradict the facts therein.
That makes sense because that number seemed a little high for actual combat troops.
I read somewhere that most of the soldiers were in the artillery units, and in artillery you aren't going to be going over the top during the battles. They can be killed in the artillery duels but that all depends on where the shells are aimed. They might be considered combat troops even though they're not directly linked to the trenches.
They also dident mention how many people the 11% was, 1 million British casualtys
blinking portraits, i thought i was having a stroke
No not blinking
Youâve done a great job of making horrendous trench warfare look simple for normal foot soldiers somehow ..
The Taiping rebellion had more deaths overall, but the vast bulk of them were civilian deaths as the war raged around them. In WWI, the fighting didn't generally sweep over civilian areas so much, but the military conflict was far more intense - ten million military dead, as opposed to less than half a million in the Taiping rebellion. Most of the deaths in the Taiping rebellion were due to plague and famine, so while it's certainly true that it was deadlier, it's misleading to say it was bloodier (suggesting much more death by violence).
vacri54 Exactly, I've always thought that WW1 was known as the bloodiest war due to the conditions and mental strain forced upon soldiers. Running through the trenches stepping over your dead friends faces. It's no wonder both the soldiers who died and who survived were called "the lost generation" As well as taking into affect the weapons and war machines that the war spawned. Chlorine Gas to the Tank, it must have been truly horrifying.
also (judging by results on a calculator) ww1 would take about 7 years to reach a similar amount of deaths as the taiping rebellion, and the taiping rebellion took 14.So ww1 did kill less people than the taiping rebellion but the deaths were more frequent.
Unimportant rebellion
Whats with the music choice? Not fitting at all!
agreed, wtf
Although after watching this again, it's not that bad, the vocals are just distracting.
Music is now a universal drug used to sugar coat everything to keep the masses pacified.
Lmao this is not that bad, they put dubstep techno music in the other parts of this documentary
made for schools mate
And those Irish at the time were still technically "British" as they declared independence ion 1919.
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Nova & Link To a degree that is correct, but it was only a proclamation at that stage, the official declaration was proposed at the first assembly of the Irish parliament, which is where the 1916 proclamation was ratified.
My ancestors didn't call themselves that
Neither did mine, but at the time, thats how it was.
Kryptic Panda You're actually wrong, throughout history the British have always referred to the Irish as being separate people. They never called them British. If you look at the Parliamentary Papers from the 19th Century you will see that so technically you're wrong.
Song ruined it
Brent Borders yeah i agree
Terrible music. Couldn't take it seriously
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Made me wanna claw out my ear drums.
Why? Then again I know nothing about music
bbc seem to have lowered their standards :/... sry, but that whole thing is garbage, from getting/interpreting facts wrong, horrible music and embarassing animations (eyes blinking... really?)
I agree they are spitting right in the faces of the dead men who fought the war.
Agreed. Idk why but it just pissed me off seeing them add all the stupid animations in the photos, seems disrespectful to me
Taiping rebellion did happen over a period of 14 years and ww1 was for four years so they were similar in terms of bloodshed
***** the Mongolian raids where
@Alex The chef no you idiot. 100 years war killed a few million in 100 years. Ww1 killed tens of millions in 4 years. Ww1 was a lot more frequent in its deaths.
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@Aldo Steel the 100 years war took 100 years for that much bloodshed
What made WW1 unique is completely ignored in this video and seems the whole point of the video is down play its role in history.
Its revisionism at its finest, dan snow and his dad are a disgrace to this country
Agreed..
Misleading presentation. You focused on a few myths, and missed the true horror of WW1. You disrespect the souls of everyone who died in that war.
They disrespect them? For Christ sakes, they made SIXTY NINE videos about WWI. That's not disrespect to me. The video was short, I'd like to see you do "the true horrors of WWI". This video had a budget, so will yours.
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Completely agree, they are trying to make out like it was no big deal. It's disrespectful.
you people don't even know what the word disrespectful means. The real disrespect is the fact that creatures like you throw it around.
Here's something he forgot to include in this lecture: more than Half a million British soldiers died in France and Flanders alone. 187,000 have no known graves. Where are they? They didn't just evaporate. The soil of the Somme, Ypres, and Passchendaele battlefields knows.
"A British Tommy, in a trench, probably somewhere in France. Well for a start they're Irish!" Well for a start Ireland was a part of the UK back then and so they were British. I see that modern history degree is paying of for Dan Snow
Well said
They were still called Irish though
Skipper Del Cairde The Scottish were still called Scottish. That doesn't chance their status as British soldiers. Not even colonials but full on part of the United Kingdom British soldiers.
+BulletBill64 yeah I know but what I'm trying to say is they were still commonly called Irish I'm not arguing that they were part of Britain
+BulletBill64 Yes Ireland was not part of Britain it is part of the UK in those days
I'm so glad that I don't pay my licence fee.
That is a fair point about the Tai Peng rebellion, which killed between 20m and 30m, as being a more deadly conflict compared to the 17m dead of WWI. However, the Tai Peng rebellion lasted far longer - nearly 15 years, so the death rate was not as intense and nor was it as widespread a phenomenon. Also, while the percentages of say British killed per 100 soldiers engaged may have been lower than in some other previous conflicts, this was often due to better medical services which meant that many more survived (in the millions worldwide) who might otherwise have died, but they did so in an often terrible physical state, missing eyes, other facial features and limbs, not to mention quite often their sanity or nervous systems. In its sustained industrial intensity and savagery, it was a war like no other up until that time.
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Should be used to this type of disingenuous reporting from BBC by now.
đŽó §ó ąó „ó źó §ó żđŹđ§ god bless those heroâs. Had an army cadet parade today in Folkestone,Kent,England to remember the lost in WW1
Hmmmm, they say a greater proportion of public school (translates to private school for USA and mostly implies upper class) boys were killed than soldiers from the working class.
Since you've taken the time to tell us this tidbit, why didn't you also give us the statistic of soldiers from public schools vs working class soldiers????
Damien Zellers Junior officers are not all the officers, aswell :p
Damien Zellers and all those pictures feel like a persuasion for some reason, like: here's five profiles of posh ppl dying in wars, now shut up about classes
kamenkojistonira The over-representation of the upper-class in WW1 casualties is a long-established fact.
If you had critical thinking skills you would be able to put aside modern-day virtue-signalling sensibilities and accept that reality, in order to then realize it was one of many occurrences along the way to the democratising of western culture... for better or worse.
Observing the widespread lack of character and intelligence among present day young people, I think these poor young fellows - of all classes - who lost their lives in the 2 world wars, unfortunately did so in vain.
See 3:12.
They did, in officer vs. enlisted men casualties.
The public school vs. state school start would require a lot more research & guesswork.
This whole series has some of the most outlandish, disrespectful backing music I've ever seen in documentaries. For shame. Who is this for?
is this what they are teaching kids these days ?
Yes.Well exept for the violence.
Well, stuff that are wrong.
Skipped over the losses per battle. Highest casualty numbers ever.
"Lions led by donkeys " Comment by a German Officer who witnessed whole battalions that took months to train wiped out in minutes .
@@moonbeam7793 Not true. Alan Clark who popularized the phrase admitted that he made it all up.
@@moonbeam7793 bollocks!
Moonbeam my expletive was not aimed at you. Apologies.
Who ever wrote this video needs to read Im Westen nichts neues (all quiet on the Western front). That is no way to talk about ww1
I feel that Mr Snow hasnât learnt anything with his focus on casualties by public schoolboys versus non-public schoolboys. People are people and the real problem was why we allowed so many to die in this and all wars.
As Patton said, "War is hell". More accurately, war is FROM hell. The result of the devil's own hand. We just keep throwing our boys into the meat grinder and all the devil says is more, more, more.
I don't recall assuming any of the afore mentioned about WW1
respect to all the brave men that fought for our freedom if it wasnt for them we would nit be here today. we will remember. less we forget.
This the most glamorous soundtrack to be playing for someone to be describing amounts of brutal deaths
The 369th were the Harlem Hellfighters
Thanks
gtfo with your battlefield 1 crap lol
I don't get it. How does the 369th Regiment reference Battlefield 1?
The Harlem Hellfighters (369th) are depicted in the prologue of Battlefield 1 and an african american soldier from the 369th is on the cover.
All the same, I don't think he was referencing Battlefield 1. He may have gotten the information from it, but I don't think he meant to bring it into conversation.
Adrian Smith most people donât know this but the 369th were also comprised of the newly indoctrinated Puerto Ricanâs as the threat of war made the us force conscription on the Puerto Ricanâs and even the first shot fired on the Germans by the Americans was by a Puerto Rican as a German boat tried to leave the San Juan port they shot the ship once with a 6lb gun hit the starboard side and the ship instantly turned around to redock my great great great grandfather was the man who loaded that gun but didnât fire it he soon found himself at war during the last few months where he lost his middle finger to a German masher fighting with the french but his bestfriend who was conscripted early in the war fought with the 369th in France where he lost his leg to artillery itâs crazy what you find out when u dig up some history of your family
Hmnn. Dan Snow and the BBC making light of WW1 I think? I'd actually expect more of Dan Snow, seeing as how his grandfather or gt. grandfather was an army general at this time, but not the BBC.
@ Eric Williams ,I agree ,a brusque and offhand presentation at best ,not what we should expect from the BBC ,especially as we are paying for the privelige.
I love that everyone forgets about New Zealand like how the soldiers only spent 10 days in a trench I call bullshit
Yeah, it's bullshit that 10 days in a trench and only 3 days in a front-line trench. Where were our guys at Gallipoli going to go? They were on the front line, every day for over 8 months.
3 days is only when conditions were that bad men had to be pulled out ie cold, mud, rain causing too much sickness etc. It was normally around a week, sometimes more BUT it was a rotational system so that you went into the Support Lines for a week or two, then back to Brigade Reserve. When in the Support Lines you still had to go up to the Front Line every night as part of Fatigue/Working Parties to rebuild trenches and communications lines, Ammunition, Ration and Water Carriers, Wiring Parties in No Mans Lans.
So yes 3 days is complete bollocks.
How could they possibly get trench foot or shell shock in 3 days.
During a massive campaign soldiers spent more time in the front lines, but usually they spent 7 days in a front line trench, 7 in the reserve trench, and 4 behind the lines for rest.
Dude in the Christmas truce they had a football/soccer match
00:26 : These guys are Irish? So? The Irish Republic didn't exist until 1920. So, basically, these guys were still subjects of her Gracious Majesty as much as the English, Scottish, and Welsh. Not for long, but there were still.
The Irish Republic didn't exist until 1924 I think you are getting confused with the Irish free state.
Do we even need music-let alone something so badly chosen by a BBC apparatchick with no sense of history whatsoever?
As I read, the 1914 Christmas Day truce commenced because British troops hearing "Noel," a German hymn, responded by singing it in English & the 2 sides then met in no man's land!
Before our generals shelled our own men.
Despite propaganda, a lot of British didn't want to fight in the "Great War", hence the need for a Conscription Act in 1916. Harry Patch was a conscript...
Modern Songs + WWI Documentary = Change It!
Am I hallucinating or did those photos starting from 3:52 just BLINK?
THAT IS SO CREEPY
I think so I thought the same thing XD
Dumbasses they added that in after effects.
They blinked to show that they still live on and in the promise rightfully made that they should never be forgotten.
If that's 'creepy' then god knows what their sacrifice was for.
Nina Dionisio oh hahahah yeah man i thought i was tripping for a moment .... something in the coffee ?!
WHAT THE FUCK is up with the music throughout the whole WW1 series?!
the fact is the upper class held rank, the lower did not. so to say or even try to compare upper class ww1 soldier with a working class or lower class soldier is down right crazy.
Another popular myth is the "Teufelhunden" (devil dogs) one which is still an official nickname for u.s marines up to this day and even referenced to by the u.s Marine Corps. The myth says that the germans were so impressed by the fierce fighting spirit of u.s marines during the battle of Belleau Wood in France that they nicknamed them "Teufelhunden" or Devil Dogs. At least this was claimed in 1918 by an american war correspondent writing for "Stars and Stripes". The wrong german grammar (It should be Teufelshunde) already gives away that this myth was most likely completely made up to create an exciting article. German archives offer absolutely no evidence which would support that the german soldiers ever had a nickname for u.s marines nor that they even knew at all that they were fighting americans at Belleau Wood. In contrast, the german battle reports do not even grant any importance or speciality to that peticular battle over others happening in that region.
All in all, marines kicked they're sorry asses. And are fucking badass.
Yeah they did, I saw the movie. Do you even freedom, bro?
All countries like to big note themselves, Bean did it for Australia as it helps with recruitment....
Yeah, similar to the story that the Germans called the Black Watch the âladies from hellâ (due to their kilts). Thereâs no contemporary German sources that ever refer to them as such
British entered the war because of a mutual defense treaty, signed in 1839, with Belgium. Wonder if the average Tommy in the trenches had any enthusiasm for that fine treaty.
Most were outraged by Germany's aggression to neutral catholic belgium
I bet you hate Zelensky and want his country eaten up by Russians
With the 89 per cent survived figure. I wonder what this was for frontline combat troops? My great grandfather served but seemed to work in a army warehouse well behind the frontlines for the entire war. There must have been hundreds of thousands of storemen, clerks etc to support logistical effort. Almost 100 per cent would survive so frontline death rate would be much higher than 11 per cent, if this is the overall death rate
Good point. Iâd also like to know the survival rate of when they had to charge another trench. Surely survival was unlikely in most cases.
You make it all sound, not so bad. Hey WWI was awesome guys.
Something to note about the Christmas truce is that it propably mainly happened on parts of the frontline where british and Germans that wherent from prussia met. The french and belgians defending their own soil seem not to have been in the mood for "fun and games" and the prussians just were prussians;)
Well atleast someone has sense not to romanticise the christmas truce
The unofficial armistice on Christmas Day 1914 DID happen & there's photos that prove it did! German troops were singing "Silent Night." British troops opposite recognized the tune & started singing it in English & then they met in no man's land!
would be nice if they had a cut version without the bs soundtrack
Have just watched again, and am feeling angrier. It's like it's taking a swipe at the working classes and politely admonishing them for getting their facts wrong
What do you mean? Most of these myths were promulgated in the 1960s but middle class liberal leftists and are widely believed by the British public irrespective of class. In what way is this video particularly directed towards working class people?
The most important point that you missed out, the reason behind WW1
Britain financed the Allies.
Britain isolated Germany, a process that was completely successful.
Britain effectively saved France from possible collapse in 1916 with the arrival of the British armies on mass as a result of conscription as well as the raising of the largest all-volunteer army in history, known as Kitchener's Army, of more than two million men.
Britain had the world's largest Navy and Empire. The longer the war went on, the more the advantages went to the Allies, with their larger, deeper, more versatile economies and better access to global supplies.
Britain's inventions changed warfare like the tank, aircraft carrier, etc
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same thing happened in ww2 except with america providing the means of production. our factories went untouched and our natural resources are vast. whoever wins a drawn out conflict will have the means to produce and use more
0:26 "*For a start, these guys are Irish"...... and are therefore British soldiers. What point is the author of this crummy travesty trying to make?
+Tom Nutts Ask a Brit or an Irish to clarify.
Powderfinger I am a Brit. As a matter of interest I served in the British Army in an Irish regiment. I am still at a loss to understand the pointpurportedly being made. It's rather like saying "they're not Yorkshiremen, they're from Leeds".
+Tom Nutts Thanks for the clarification and you make a valid point.
+Tom Nutts That they are not from Britain.
irishelk You seem to have missed the point about them being from Ireland- which is part of the British Isles, and was part of Great Britain- ergo, they're British soldiers. I think the point you're trying to make is one of willful ignorance- pretending not to see the point, as you're coming from a chest-thumping perspective of "Ireland never was and never will be British". Is that at all accurate?
my great grandfather was in the Meuse-Argonne on the American side. He died in 1970 from a cancer they think was related to the mustard gas
Ah, finally the core myths are good ones- all widely known about but good ones to highlight for a wider audience.
1st day of the somme the british suffered 60,000 casualties,20,000 dead.Please go back and tell them how insignificant they were.
Did he ever use the word insignificant.
The BBC want trivialise WW1 to run the UK down.
Cool... back to BF1
This is a great series. people need to stop complaining about the music. It's 2017, not 1918. music has changed.
I agree. ffs, what the fvck is wrong with the people.. If the music ruined it for them, they should get kicked in the balls.
French Colonial Troops from Indochina fought in the Western Front of WWI as well
British officers also were trained not to duck
Lindybeige?
Ayyy
The soccer match is recorded in war diaries with the Germans beating the English 3-2
Bryan Olson they won the game but the English won the war.
Edward Olson what is soccer?
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Memento Mori not the english but the allies. England wasnt the only one fighting
My Great Uncle Louis (Louie) brought back 2 German helmets and gas masks...I used to play with them in the barn. One had a bullet hole in it.
Another popular myth is that U need crap, generic music that is WAY too loud on british war-documentaries!
lovely cheerful music......
I understand that people are pissed off with the crap music, but the whole point of these videos is to get young kids into learning about the war, and that means using more modern music and stupid effects and graphics. If you want a serious video or proper documentary there are ones all over CZcams that aren't aimed at people who spend their time "dabbing"
This video is just brilliant.
Ok , the blinking pictures of the posh , soldiers was creepy AF. Caught me off guard. I thought I was seeing things.
I loved the sound track. I'd like to get a play list. Ty fir the video , I enjoyed it. I wonder how long the cease fire would have gone on for if the brits didn't call for a none fratenizing with the Germans. Who knows , maybe the war could have completely ended and saved millions of people's lives , intern Hitler would have not been so angry over the armistice treaty and would have instead become a accomplished painter or writer ? You never know , right ?
"it wasn't simply a protected upper class sending a generation of workers to their deaths" - OK so a greater percentage of Officers died than Privates.. but what about the total number? And what about the ruling classes that made the decisions in government? I don't appreciate being told what conclusions to come to.
Total number wouldn't make sense because there would obviously be more privates than officers. It's like if you look at the GDP of a country. You'd think India was the richest country in the world if you looked at the total GDP because it has such a huge population so a huge number of jobs and industrial activity. You'd be mad to call India the richest country in the world though (no offense to any Indians who may read this)
hgneo222 Interesting point. However, I think the pyramid structure of the class system (which causes these statistical features) goes hand in hand with its hierarchical nature and is part of what makes it problematic in some people's eyes. Personally, the jury is out - and it was certainly of its day - but I do take issue with such huge loss of life for the decisions of a few and mistrust their reasoning (and think we are still told a version of events that is less than complete). And I do think that there are some very comfortable people at desks who value working class lives too little.
thespannerbel btw - gosh the comments on this video are so fascinating! have learnt more here than any history world war school lessons! if only someone could verify it all for my lazy self :)
I think the point is the "Lions led by Donkeys" charicature of WW1 is so ingrained in popular culture that a good story has distorted our view of the facts.
As the video points out prime minister who chose to bring the UK into the war lost his own son for example.
Yours facts are incomplete. Captains & the like leading their men across no man's land, with only a revolver, DID suffer far higher casualties than ordinary troops, but there weren't too many higher ranks like colonels killed! In Albert Facey's book "A fortunate Life"he relates how an officer told them to clear the dead from no man's land & on being told that they'd tried but Turkish gun fire was too severe, this officer replied that he didn't care & was only concerned about the stink assaulting his nostrils!!!
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Our modern age began the day World War I ended, in my opinion. There are several reasons for this, too many to list here. I have been pleased to see recent productions about Colonial soldiers' contributions to the war effort, along with featuring more theaters of war.
There are documented interviews of Tommies saying they played footie with the hun at Christmas. This film lacks credibility.
an I the only 15 year old watching this because I actually find this entertaining and not boring?
I'm 13 and I'm thinking the same
I'm 152 and I don't give a shit.
tinkle alexandra I know right? Who actually gives a shit how old you are?
Im here, I feel the same.
Eclipse Duck I'm 13, one of the only people in my class whose doing something.
The song ruined the video.
My Great Uncle John Adam came back shell-shocked...he knew he wasn't right and preferred to stay at the Soldiers Home with other vets...that was a nasty war. Yeah, I'm an old man.
Greatest myth is that this show isn't biased and has good music
Sorry mate copying that comment and putting it as a reply to this one won't work.
Damn the pictures of the young men who died got me all choked up.
Seriously, that bothers me. I've just watched BBC, and, yet again, they had to put a line about how "the British Imperial forces were culturally diverse, as UK is today."
Feck that. Many soldiers were from overseas and died for Britain, but that does NOT entitles anyone to come to the UK and flood the locals. Gosh, today, two thirds of the capital city are made by non-British. That's abnormal and morally indefendable. So media should really stop to pounce at every damn opportunity to shove the same old "cultural diversity" routine down our throats.
Briseur De Lance I always found it admirable that the French offered citizenship to anybody who fought in their military. They don't seem to have overt diversity problems like in the UK, and you guys are across the channel even.
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Oh, we do have problems with our "diversity". Just not with those who became french after fighting in our armies. Nor with those who are well-integrated.
What i do know is there are a lot of people who think they can re-write history to fit there own point of view.
100 years ago to the day, the great war began with the shooting in Serbia of Ferdenand, and my grandfather answered the call and became a part of the light horse legend.
But what portion of the upperclassmen were volunteers?
+brett knoss Quite possibly junior officers were also eager to earn "glory" and promotions, by leading their troops in untenable assaults and raids. Moreover, the ratio of 20 enlisted to 1 officer means that an officer could be responsible for 10 deaths and the numbers would still say that proportionally more officers were killed.
It's a point that requires more elaboration than this video was willing to give.
I'd like to see the sources for some of this. More upper class men died than working class men? I can't believe that is true.
I think Snow is talking about the proportions of working class/upper class soldiers who fell victim to the war, not simply numbers of those killed.
The fact it's hard to believe is kind of the point. The "Lions led by Donkeys" charicature is so ingrained in popular culture that nobody questions it.
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Love the music
Great video :)
The Germans had it way worse than the British, especially towards the end of the war.
Loosing does that for you....
Horrible music
I find the fact that even the sons of the wealthy and elite had to do their duty to fight and die facinating. I mean, nowadays that would never happen. It's always talked about how the rich wage war while it's the poor that die, but it seems like in WWI and WWII there was still this old school imperial thinking going on where even the young and privilaged had to do their part. In the end, many politicians and generals lost their sons.
Agree. People need to realize that the poor dying for the rich isn't always the case.
I think those men in the opening clip were Royal Irish Rifles - they certainly would have considered themselves British and Loyal to the Crown.
Horrible music, for such an important subject.
Guillermina Castillo Mexico.
Respect to all of the unsung heros
What are the song names on the first and second myth?
Thanks in advance!
The working class includes the college graduates too.The upper class includes only the people who own the means of productions and i am sure these people didn't have to touch a gun.Journalists must use their influence with caution and for the benefit of the people *ONLY* and not to misguide them.
Or how about inform them instead of letting a good story get in the way of the facts.
Pop culture might love the "Lions led by Donkeys" story but an actual nuanced view of the war shows a tragedy that affected all levels of society.
@@jordanreeseyre Exactly . This whole lions lead by donkeys is just more WW1 revisionism by bitter soldiers . All theyâre simply pointing is that everyone was affected som binary rich , poor thing . And itâs interesting how people love to hate on , blame the rich and have such vitriol against them and believe they are the cause for everything wrong with their lives . Itâs this type of thinking , is this reason why stuff like this happen , and itâs usually all the socialists and jealous people that push this rhetoric .
This is not what my Grandfather told me and He was there. The filth, the flies, the decaying corpse, the shelling the mechanical slaughter. New Tory rewriting of history. first heard this vein of so-called intellectual thought at a remembrance service at Leeds Minster on 2014.
The upper class wanted to go. Most of the working class had to go.
Far from it in the UK at least who until late in the war managed to field an entirely volunteer army.
@@jordanreeseyre Yes,thousands and thousands of New Zealanders volunteered including 5 of my uncles and my parents cousins.Seems a lot of correspondence relates to class grievences still alive today, but there was virtually none among the colonial volunteers
Irish are British, youâre 5 years out with your maths. My great granda (Belfast) served in the royal Irish rifles. Even now (2018) Northern Ireland is British. And always will be.
(British Tommy) A lot of Irish fought on the British side. My Grandfather being one of the many Irish,we hear a lot about other countries who came to their aid but the lrish sometimes forgotten ( But Never by their Families)