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  • What would have happened if the Schlieffen Plan had succeeded? Find out on AlternateHistoryHub: bit.ly/1VJ9T0U
    The Schlieffen Plan was the blueprint for Germany's army to avoid a two-front war with Russia and France. It was supposed to be the solution for a quick victory against arch enemy France by invading Belgium and the Netherlands to circumvent French defenses. Helmut von Moltke adapted the original plan by Alfred von Schlieffen and ultimately failed when the Germans were beaten at the Battle of the Marne. Indy explains the numerous reasons why the Schlieffen Plan was doomed to fail. "
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  • @Vitorruy1
    @Vitorruy1 Před 7 lety +398

    This is better than TV

  • @fobusas
    @fobusas Před 8 lety +816

    That's how it should be done. Similarly sized channels should cross promote, especially if they are of different spins of the same general theme. It's a mistake to go alone.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +97

      +Vaidas Šukauskas And it's a lot of fun as well!

    • @toddcrane4318
      @toddcrane4318 Před 8 lety +2

      +The Great War nice video you should read 13 rules of war by Alexander Bevin he wrote a nice section over the plan and how it could have succeeded also in my opinion the plan was good but the problem was that it asked for quick advances which would only possible with the advent of tanks and planes which is how France fell in 1940

    • @fobusas
      @fobusas Před 8 lety +13

      ***** It's only a video a week. You need to watch only ~60 videos to catch up :)
      I noticed this channel after the initial promos in the press. I think it was around a month or two old. But didnt have time to catch up at the time. So did it over the summer in a couple of days. Better than any documentary i've ever seen on WW1. And fingers crossed they gonna do the same for WW2 :)

    • @mr.ramfan8100
      @mr.ramfan8100 Před 5 lety +1

      Only if you lose, ace...

    • @HamboThomp
      @HamboThomp Před 4 lety

      It was really akward when we watched this video on class

  • @AlternateHistoryHub
    @AlternateHistoryHub Před 8 lety +1397

    Fantastic video! This is one of my favorite channels on CZcams so it was great working with you!
    -Cody

    • @3percentxen58
      @3percentxen58 Před 8 lety +43

      I'm actually happy you guys both did a crossover episode since I was already subscribed to both of you guys

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +79

      likewise! happy and proud it worked out.

    • @kristenkong9263
      @kristenkong9263 Před 8 lety

      +3percentXen Same!!

    • @maniam5460
      @maniam5460 Před 8 lety +1

      +The Great War It worked coz I was only subscribed to Alternate History Hub and now to u now

    • @bradlemmond
      @bradlemmond Před 8 lety

      Cody: I've been a fan of your channels for a while now. Thank you for them and the recommendation to this one.
      Indy: I'm a new fan of your channel.
      I really like getting multiple views on the same topic from different perspectives/podcasts/etc.

  • @ashirvadmohanty5331
    @ashirvadmohanty5331 Před 5 lety +608

    Is it me, or does the pre-WW1 Germany look cooler on the map.

  • @Slayer_Jesse
    @Slayer_Jesse Před 8 lety +513

    So essentially, it was a blitzkreig plan without the means to actually make it work.

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 Před 8 lety +113

      blitzkrieg was never an official doctrine. Germany had always been about a mobile war. The fact that aircrafts, tanks and wireless radio became effective and available in large numbers in WW2 simply allowed Germany to go back to mobile warfare again.
      Germany been all about mobile warfare since the nation's creation.

    • @HamboThomp
      @HamboThomp Před 4 lety +3

      @commonsense unlikely the germans proably wouldnt have taken too much land

    • @Arcaryon
      @Arcaryon Před 4 lety +7

      @@HamboThomp Aye. Probably just a bit of France and then reparations. Eastern Europe however would look much diffrent.

    • @yggdrasil9039
      @yggdrasil9039 Před 4 lety +9

      @commonsense No, there was never any plan for Germany to take over the entire universe if they won WW1.

    • @yggdrasil9039
      @yggdrasil9039 Před 4 lety +7

      @commonsense You're already speaking german anyway. English is a germanic language.

  • @Rickinsf
    @Rickinsf Před 8 lety +21

    Schlieffen was a focused guy.
    I've read that, during a morning ride with some other officers, he passed through a valley with a stream meandering through it.
    A young officer remarked on how lovely the view was.
    Schlieffen responded, "It is a minor obstacle."

  • @driftsolstice3685
    @driftsolstice3685 Před 7 lety +337

    It's not entirely fair to blame Schlieffen. Schlieffen had four plans. Moltke chose the one designed for a war where France fought alone, without Russia, so the full German army could be sent West. The real question is - why did Moltke choose this plan for a war already declared against a mobilising Russia? Why not the one Schlieffen drew up specially for a two-front war: encircling each enemy in turn with counter-offensives inside German territory, as they then did at Tannenberg?

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 7 lety +186

      The plan Moltke choose was the only one that was so far fleshed out that it was actually possible to put it into action. Another problem was that the German railway infrastructure was not sufficient in the East to quickly move troops in and out.

    • @driftsolstice3685
      @driftsolstice3685 Před 7 lety +55

      That didn't bother Hindenberg and Ludendorff. Your episode on the Battle of Tannenberg shows them doing exactly what Schlieffen had originally recommended.
      I did say that Schlieffen recommended counter-offensives _inside_ German territory.
      (Aufsmarsch II West / Aufsmarsch I Ost)

    • @matheusmelo6022
      @matheusmelo6022 Před 6 lety +19

      Schlieffen was counting on Russia taking that 6 weeks to mobilize its army to attack Germany. But as you probably now, the Russian army was already modernizing by the 1910's and before the War had started in 1914 it was already mobilizing and closing in the Prussian border. That's what made the German generals and aristocrats panick and led to the start of the war.
      Moltke thought that he could steamroll through France and reach Paris in a few weeks, then ending the war with France rapidly. But he couldn't achieve this because he had diverted many of his troops to the East and there weren't enough divisions for the plan to work, anyways.
      My guess is that Moltke went with this plan because that's what favoured Germany the most: Germany couldn't stand a long war of attrition on 2 fronts, so Moltke wanted to make a push into France while defending from the weaker Russian army to the East. He didn't think Belgium would put much of a fight.

    • @driftsolstice3685
      @driftsolstice3685 Před 6 lety +17

      That still doesn't explain why they thought an offensive into France would do better than a counter-offensive inside Germany. Schlieffen seemed to understand the defensive power of modern war, why couldn't they?

    • @orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332
      @orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332 Před 4 lety +22

      @@driftsolstice3685 It's not that Schlieffen understood the defensive nature of the war to come, it's more of a coincidence between old military principles and what actually happened. Schlieffen's plan against both France and Russia was a "worst case" scenario of Germany fighting both France and Russia at their full strength. In such case going on the offensive isn't an option he dismisses, it is just impossible so a defensive strategy is all what Germany can do. But between the drawing of this plan and Moltke doing his thing Russia was defeated by Japan and France struggled against the Rifan rebellion in Morocco. This reassured the German high command in its feeling of superiority and so Moltke thought that if it acted quickly enough the "superior" german army could win the war this way.

  • @MrOwnerandPwner
    @MrOwnerandPwner Před 8 lety +917

    AlternateHistoryHub? I came.

  • @lilpenpusher
    @lilpenpusher Před 6 lety +38

    "When the war began over a year ago..."
    Uh...
    Yeah, you could say that.

  • @wonderbouy
    @wonderbouy Před 8 lety +219

    And here I was thinking that The Schlieffen Plan was all about Germany invading France at night time while everyone was Schlieffen!

  • @lucius1976
    @lucius1976 Před 5 lety +19

    6:08 Moltke the elder was spinning in his grave by that statement.

  • @thathorsethatdrivesasherma7003

    It's really impressive to see all the things that went wrong with the Schlieffen Plan, poor communications, stubbornness of high officials, and the like. It really shows just how far warfare has come since 1914.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +17

      Yeah and how much more mistakes it took them to learn there lessons afterwards.

    • @DavBlc7
      @DavBlc7 Před 6 lety +2

      Yep that's right but no problems in the second World war with the Germans having better communications and more planes, tanks and men. Similar plan but altered a bit by Hitler himself.

  • @Alpha1200
    @Alpha1200 Před 8 lety +131

    This reminds me of the Roman legions vs. the phalanx. Adaptability will nearly always defeat inflexibility.

    • @TheAztecGamer123
      @TheAztecGamer123 Před 8 lety +2

      That's true

    • @desi_jalepeno1935
      @desi_jalepeno1935 Před 7 lety +2

      100%

    • @kembowhite1903
      @kembowhite1903 Před 6 lety +1

      Popescu Rene tt

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux Před 2 lety

      Except for WWI, where the inflexible defensive lines of the trenches of WWI bleed the Germans to death. You can draw a parallel between how sturdy the defensive of a phalanx was to a trench line.

  • @manictiger
    @manictiger Před 7 lety +6

    I swear, I've learned more in just a few dozen hours of CZcams than I have from 12 years of school, plus college classes.

  • @joey8062
    @joey8062 Před 8 lety +171

    what was the Kaiser's response to Hitler's conquest of France in 1940?

    • @eddienom
      @eddienom Před 8 lety +77

      +joey8062 He was thrilled that the German Army was able to subdue their archenemy.

    • @jreiland07
      @jreiland07 Před 8 lety +217

      "Congratulations, you have just won using MY troops"

    • @kuribayashi84
      @kuribayashi84 Před 8 lety +117

      +joey8062 He personally sent Hitler a telegram: "My Fuhrer, I congratulate you and hope that under your marvellous leadership the German monarchy will be restored completely."
      Hitler was reportedly exasperated and bemused by this. "What an idiot!" he said to Linge, his valet.

    • @liubei7276
      @liubei7276 Před 8 lety +7

      kuribayashi84 Das ist auch Schwachsinn.

    • @kuribayashi84
      @kuribayashi84 Před 8 lety +2

      I just assumed that the wikipedia Article about him is correct. It cites 'The Second World War' by Antony Beevor as source.

  • @Generictwat1
    @Generictwat1 Před 8 lety +89

    I believe Helmuth Von Moltke said it best back in the 1800s: "no plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force".

    • @Rickinsf
      @Rickinsf Před 8 lety +4

      +Generictwat1 I heard an Isreali officer say that "...a battle plan is little more than a line of departure..."

    • @RegulatedMilitia
      @RegulatedMilitia Před 8 lety +26

      +Generictwat1 "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face" -mike tyson

    • @Generictwat1
      @Generictwat1 Před 8 lety +2

      ***** It's all good... I grabbed the quote from here:
      en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Helmuth_von_Moltke_the_Elder

    • @troy9477
      @troy9477 Před 7 lety +3

      Generictwat1 No doubt he was paraphrasing von Clausewitz

    • @indy_go_blue6048
      @indy_go_blue6048 Před 5 lety +2

      @@troy9477 U. S. Grant said basically the same thing. Eisenhower said it but then quickly added, but no action succeeds without a plan.

  • @Brian0wns
    @Brian0wns Před 7 lety +84

    I find it amazing (or horrifying) progress on the part of mankind that between the start of WW1 - and the explosion of the first atomic bomb - was 31 years.

    • @oberstjazzen6037
      @oberstjazzen6037 Před 7 lety +7

      The LOLbertarian Humanity is frightening..

    • @mitchelll7846
      @mitchelll7846 Před 6 lety +23

      66 years between first powered flight and reaching the moon

    • @connormac4401
      @connormac4401 Před 6 lety +8

      two bloody and most devastating wars, all in 31 years too. The fact is unsettling

    • @shirleymental4189
      @shirleymental4189 Před 6 lety +2

      12 years between 'Rock around the Clock' and Sargent Pepper.

    • @bogdangabrielonete3467
      @bogdangabrielonete3467 Před 6 lety

      What can I say? We love killing each other, apparently. Welcome to Modern Warfare

  • @juniperbug8699
    @juniperbug8699 Před 7 lety +12

    I was reading the Guns of August, and the apparently the general who was in charge of rail ways took the statement that it was impossible to redeploy on the east, he wrote an entire book of how he could have gotten 3 of the 5 armies within a reasonable amount of time, plus supplies

  • @cedkira
    @cedkira Před 8 lety +175

    I'm here from Cody. liked the vid. here's my sub.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +10

      +cedkira Thanks a lot and welcome!

    • @anon9579
      @anon9579 Před 8 lety +1

      +The Great War I'm here from Cody too

    • @thespyfromtf2133
      @thespyfromtf2133 Před 8 lety

      +cedkira me too

    • @gunstock3
      @gunstock3 Před 8 lety +1

      Same, I'm also from Cody, channels that discuss WW1 in detail are few and far between

    • @RHICfct
      @RHICfct Před 8 lety

      +cedkira me 2

  • @emiruslu4564
    @emiruslu4564 Před 8 lety +7

    i feel great when youtubers protect each others .good to see this friendship :)

  • @clintjensen1678
    @clintjensen1678 Před 7 lety +10

    I just started watching these today and I can't get enough, thank you guys. These are great

  • @cherudium
    @cherudium Před 8 lety +4

    I love how every channel I watch is involved with this one or watches this one.
    Forgotten weapons, c&rsenal, alternate history hub. its nice to see open conversation and enthusiasm between fellow enthusiasts.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +2

      +cherudium We are a big family of history channels and have to stick together.

  • @guel95ftw
    @guel95ftw Před 8 lety +1

    Thank you cody for showing me this guy, I can already tell I'm going to love his videos if they are anything like this one.

  • @lborges1313
    @lborges1313 Před 8 lety +12

    Loved the graffiti on the train carts!!!

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 Před rokem +3

    It's amazing how much the Great War and Alternate History Hub channels have progressed and improved over the years. I hope they continue to get better and better

  • @Oscuros
    @Oscuros Před 3 lety +9

    02:32, not only was Schlieffen not CoS anymore, he was also dead (1913) by the time war broke out.
    I do appreciate you pronouncing Schlieffen properly, since even some of my professors on the UK used to get it wrong as the Schlye-fen plan, which is a really common mistake to make.

  • @Stirl2
    @Stirl2 Před 8 lety +1

    I'm so glad that I found this channel, and goddamn, it needs a lot more attention!
    Keep up the amazing work!

  • @hardeho
    @hardeho Před 8 lety +2

    Awesome vid, awesome channel. Between your channel, and listening to all of the Hardcore history episodes on WW1, I feel like some kind of WW1 expert.

  • @MrSegrist
    @MrSegrist Před 8 lety +5

    Haha! Another great episode. I dug the humorous cross-promotional bit. Seeing Indy transmogrified into an AlternateHistoryHub avatar was well worth the watch. Keep up the good work!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety

      +MrSegrist Yeah, we always love how his hair is modelled as a comic character. Same with his avatar on Extra Credits.

  • @LeandroCM
    @LeandroCM Před 8 lety +23

    Barbara Tuchman's awesome book "guns of august" made me an impression that the plan almost succeeded and could have succeeded even with the unpredicted belgian resistance. It seems the major flaw came from one of the generals on the right flank.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +29

      +Leandro CM Well, we're not so sure. Reaching Paris would have been one thing. Encircling it and defeating the French forces would have been another.

    • @michaels5917
      @michaels5917 Před 8 lety +3

      remember if they are besieged, the french can't retreat as usual. LOL jk

    • @michaels5917
      @michaels5917 Před 8 lety +3

      I know, but I felt the need to say some stereotypical stuff about the French. And also they do have a talent for retreating. Cough cough Dunkirk

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 Před 8 lety +3

      That was the british

    • @michaels5917
      @michaels5917 Před 8 lety +1

      No, the remaining French retreated there as well. By then, the rest were dead or had..... surrendered

  • @GroovinMagicK
    @GroovinMagicK Před 8 lety +1

    I've following your channel after the ama session in reddit and what a suprise, the content in this channel exceeds any other source i could find about ww1 in internet. Helps a lot, Thx keep the great work!

  • @zulubeatz1
    @zulubeatz1 Před 3 lety +2

    To ease the lockdown blues ive decided to watch this whole series and im glad i did. Its a fascinating series that covers just about every part of this huge conflict in detail.

  • @Crick1952
    @Crick1952 Před 8 lety +15

    I came from Cody.
    I like what I see
    *subbed*

  • @iramoser6136
    @iramoser6136 Před 7 lety +4

    I wish history had been taught like this when I was in HS. (*Forty years* ago...)
    I have to laugh at myself; I'm 58, hated history in school, and now I study it constantly.
    Then again, watching this is a lot more fun than having to memorize a bunch of dry names and dates.
    Subbed. Keep up the great work! I hope this channel helps students who are in the same position now, as I was back then.

  • @angelkennethtolentino8261

    Thank you for existing. I love history lessons like these. Thank you alternate history hub for introducing.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety

      +Angel Kenneth Tolentino Thanks for watching! And welcome to the family.

  • @el1tefire252
    @el1tefire252 Před 5 lety

    Yea I’m happy u guys collaborated because now I watch this channel and I love it

  • @Oshnook
    @Oshnook Před 8 lety +4

    Love this, could you talk more about the different offensive, in the special episodes?

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +1

      +jonathan Walworth Thanks a lot! We will consider it and see what we can do!

  • @fhsreelfilms
    @fhsreelfilms Před 8 lety +7

    + The Great War. Great video, as always. I am harassing my friends and family to watch this channel all the time. You are doing such important work. I think one thing worth mentioning is that the Schlieffen plan vastly underestimated the courage and tenacity of the French and British soldiers. I can't remember if this is in Gilbert or in Anthony Clayton's book, but one of the German generals said that the fact that French soldiers who had marched for hundreds of kilometers could, at a moments notice, pick up their rifles and keep fighting was something the German planners never accounted for. The Schlieffen plan's rigidity was a dastardly thing - indeed, the Germans used it to justify attacking France in the first place rather than placing hope in a mediated solution. It created a vicious circle.

    • @fhsreelfilms
      @fhsreelfilms Před 8 lety +4

      + The Great War I found the quote, from General Kluck: "the reason that transcends all others was the extraordinary and peculiar aptitude of the French soldier to recover quickly. [...] That men will let themselves be killed where they stand, that is well-known and counted on in every plan of battle. But that men who have retreated for ten days, sleeping on the ground and half dead with fatigue, should be able to take up their rifles and attack when the bugle sounds, is a thing upon which we never counted. It was a possibility not studied in our war academy."

  • @GlosurDarloc
    @GlosurDarloc Před 7 lety +1

    Just found this channel, it's great! Keep doing what you're doing!

  • @lestershinglesnack9210

    I love seeing you collab with AlternateHistoryHub and HistoryBuffs

  • @danteuss88
    @danteuss88 Před 8 lety +52

    AlternateHistoryHub brought me here! great channel!

  • @THE1970ROBOT
    @THE1970ROBOT Před 8 lety +213

    we need more history channels, come on don't we have enough gaming channels?
    (sorry for my english)

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +19

      +I Am A Soft Bear We concur! Do you know our sister Channel czcams.com/users/itshistory yet?

    • @zaidmadi318
      @zaidmadi318 Před 6 lety +16

      What's wrong with your English??

    • @SoggyBacco
      @SoggyBacco Před 6 lety +9

      Jarle Patrick Nielsen Your english is perfectly fine, dont worry about it

    • @klein2042
      @klein2042 Před 5 lety

      Your English was fine

  • @mehmetalipasa
    @mehmetalipasa Před 6 lety

    Great video mate.
    That’s TV quality. Love it. Content is also extremely interesting

  • @theluumukiisseli3844
    @theluumukiisseli3844 Před 5 lety +1

    The first Great War video I ever watched, found you through AlternateHistoryHub

  • @MakeMeThinkAgain
    @MakeMeThinkAgain Před 8 lety +4

    The Schlieffen-Moltke plan is a better term since Moltke ignored much of Schlieffen's advice. As with Operation Barbarossa, it's not that they thought it would work so much as that it was the best they could think of and waiting would only make things worse. An interesting thing about both World Wars (and also the Pacific theater of the 2nd WW) is that the forces starting the wars didn't really think they could win.

  • @Pratchettgaiman
    @Pratchettgaiman Před 8 lety +3

    Going "eh, we'll figure out how to deal with Russia later" would seem to always be a mistake

  • @caitlinparkerfilms
    @caitlinparkerfilms Před 5 lety

    this was explained concisely, and was very clear to understand, thank you.

  • @lordpatience5772
    @lordpatience5772 Před 8 lety +1

    Super good stuff. I love it i cannot get enough. I fall asleep every night listening to this channel. I was always looking for good stuff on WW1. I cannot believe it took me until last month to find this channel. I am glad i did.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety

      +Lord Razoun Thanks a lot, we're glad you did too!

  • @farathor_
    @farathor_ Před 8 lety +16

    A very interesting video, good job!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +1

      +Captain Farathor Thanks a lot!

    • @farathor_
      @farathor_ Před 8 lety +1

      +The Great War If I could do a suggestion, I would say you guys should do a video about grenades in the war, since the modern handgrenades were introduced in the war. Keep up the good work!

    • @kolyayerg1118
      @kolyayerg1118 Před 8 lety

      Indy are you German born or not?

    • @farathor_
      @farathor_ Před 8 lety +1

      kolya yerg He mentioned that he was from Texas in an out of the trenches

    • @kolyayerg1118
      @kolyayerg1118 Před 8 lety

      thanks i didnt see tthat

  • @maniam5460
    @maniam5460 Před 8 lety +36

    3:15 I just came from ur channel

  • @bowenc24
    @bowenc24 Před 8 lety +1

    I'm so glad you did this cross over I would never have found this great channel! You my friend just got a new subscriber!

  • @explosivoification
    @explosivoification Před 7 lety

    Came from AlternateHistoryHub.
    Great video, great channel, subbed. Keep it up.

  • @ThomasHaberkorn
    @ThomasHaberkorn Před 8 lety +43

    5:45 pretty sure that's the wrong Kaiser (should be Wilhelm, not Franz Joseph) ?

    • @Rickinsf
      @Rickinsf Před 8 lety +1

      +ThomasHaberkorn I wondered about that.

    • @JafuetTheSame
      @JafuetTheSame Před 8 lety +3

      ***** and? youre saying that its one man responsibility or what? hardly my friend

    • @JafuetTheSame
      @JafuetTheSame Před 8 lety +2

      ***** in fact he didnt want the war. he was too conservative and war is a big step. he didnt even like military excercises (militärmanöver) becouse soldiers were muddy and messing around - he liked polished uniforms and everything in order- that was his attitude. the people around him were pushing him to war.

    • @JafuetTheSame
      @JafuetTheSame Před 8 lety +1

      ***** i believe there was so much hatred and ill-pride among people in europe in that time that his signature was just a triviality. franz josephs time was long gone a he was just observer.

    • @JafuetTheSame
      @JafuetTheSame Před 8 lety

      ***** im not sympathetic. i just know thigs in life arent such simple...and i'm not austrian

  • @foxymetroid
    @foxymetroid Před 7 lety +3

    It failed because it was too rigid. It needed everything to go absolutely perfectly, which is always a bad idea in war.
    Good plans allow for adaptability. Good plans take into account your side's inability to read the other side's minds. Good plans don't fall apart the moment the enemy decides to veer from your plan in any way.

  • @shittyG1
    @shittyG1 Před 7 lety +1

    Love your channel!

  • @saturninedays
    @saturninedays Před 8 lety +1

    You are so engaging and entertaining! Subscribed!

  • @TheBelrick
    @TheBelrick Před 8 lety +4

    Schileffen Plan was not a failure. It was a partial failure. The distinction is important because having Germany spend the war fighting in the richest parts of France was a major success and as such needs to be recognized as such.
    ps: love the channel.

  • @cesarcortez8141
    @cesarcortez8141 Před 7 lety +49

    THESE VIDEOS ARE LIKE CRACK TO ME THANK YOU!!!

  • @ditty5380
    @ditty5380 Před 5 lety

    Awsome subscribed look forward to supporting liking and sharing your videos! Amazing work!

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 Před rokem

    I love your channel keep up the great stuff!

  • @SwordlordRoy
    @SwordlordRoy Před 4 lety +7

    *Germany:* How could the Shlieffen Plan fail?!?! We gamed it out in Kriegspiel hundreds of times! It was perfect!!
    *Historians:* Are you sure you played it out without bias?
    *Germany:* Oh...

  • @keithouderkirk7493
    @keithouderkirk7493 Před 4 lety +2

    the plan "never really had a chance" and yet the way it was explained in the regular episode about the battle of the Marne it makes it look like a little better communication by the German generals and sticking to the plan may have actually won that battle and the war.

    • @leonpaelinck
      @leonpaelinck Před rokem +1

      I believe it could have worked if the germans took more risks:
      1) Do not send troops to the east (with hindsight we know it was not neccessary as ludendorfs won tannenberg before the reinforcements arrived)
      2) Do not stop the momentom, who knows Francy might not even exploit the gap

  • @trewill7190
    @trewill7190 Před 8 lety

    great video man keep up the good work

  • @okrajoe
    @okrajoe Před 6 lety +1

    Interesting breakdown.

  • @rogertodd2810
    @rogertodd2810 Před 7 lety +18

    Who else came here from alternate history hub

  • @lucius1976
    @lucius1976 Před 8 lety +3

    5:44. Talking about the German Kaiser while showing Kaiser Franz Joseph II of Austria-Hungary is confusing.

  • @awilbroappears
    @awilbroappears Před 8 lety +1

    It was a great idea to work with Cody. It made me subscribe this channel. Thanks a lot!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety

      +Le Fransoos Thanks, we enjoyed it a lot. Welcome!

  • @1138thz
    @1138thz Před 7 lety +1

    I've said it before and I'll say it again Great stuff Mr Nidel.

  • @jwkennington
    @jwkennington Před 8 lety +9

    Great video! Just one point, though. At 5:44 you say The Kaiser and show a video of Franz Josef. I am sure you know the error.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +10

      +John Kennington Hi John, indeed, that is indeed the wrong Kaiser. Thanks for the heads up.

  • @danielapaza5994
    @danielapaza5994 Před 7 lety +24

    I came from Alternate History Hub XD

  • @GregoleX2
    @GregoleX2 Před 8 lety +2

    I had no idea this channel existed - I am liking what I'm seeing!

  • @alexmackelly3222
    @alexmackelly3222 Před 8 lety +1

    Came here from Alternate History, I love the Great War and I am amazed I never found your channel before!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety

      +Alex MacKelly Welcome to the family!

  • @ISawABear
    @ISawABear Před 8 lety +4

    Dem Animations tho...

  • @thekillers1stfan
    @thekillers1stfan Před 4 lety +4

    The Virgin Prussian: Who there's a lot of Ruskies coming at us. Bavaria you need to go out West to defend Germany.
    The Chad Bavarian: Nah

  • @AvengedKyle
    @AvengedKyle Před 7 lety +1

    Fantastic video.

  • @StrangerOman
    @StrangerOman Před 5 lety +1

    I don't really comment on old videos, but I just wanna say that AlternateHistory could be interesting, but straight up facts of real history is more interesting. I stumble upon AlternateHistory channel a few times and everytime I'm not into it. What you guys did and still doing here is much more interesting, entertaining and educational. I'm still going through the war from day one, hope to catch up.

  • @hlynnkeith9334
    @hlynnkeith9334 Před 8 lety +4

    Von Moltke (the younger) was not as wise as his illustrious uncle. He could have taken a page from U S Grant's book: if it can walk, it does. Only supplies and ammo move by rail.

    • @stuka80
      @stuka80 Před 8 lety

      +h lynn keith right about that!

    • @ohauss
      @ohauss Před 8 lety +2

      +h lynn keith
      Entirely different world of warfare. Germany had almost as many soldiers KILLED in WWI than the Union could field during the entire civil war. The army sizes were not remotely comparable.
      And that's not even talking about the differences in artillery.

    • @ohauss
      @ohauss Před 8 lety +2

      ***** "The SIZE of the Army has nothing to do with +h lynn keith 's comment - he wasn't comparing them, or even their weaponry: he was making the statement that:Basic Military Strategy doesn't change."
      Basic military strategy includes the need to organize, feed and equip armies. Larger armies require substantially more complex logistics.
      " But instead, they were locked onto this idea that they HAD to have more troops and they HAD to have trains to move them -- instead of creating a plan that would work, NOW, based on their AVAILABLE manpower and technology: Troops walk."
      You really have no idea, do you?
      They were acting not on some fancy idea but on experience, the experience of the Franco-Prussian war in which the mobility of German forces and the ability to quickly mobilize large numbers and bring them to the frontline was a key decisive factor.
      Troops can walk, but they do so at an immensely slower pace, which requires significantly more supplies and gives the enemy more time to react and prepare.
      "Speed and adaptability and the ability to MOVE and Turn and get behind the Enemy is usually what wins a war, no matter how much more advanced or how much bigger their artillery or their technological advantage is - the Vietnam War and the current mess in the Middle East are perfect examples of our U.S. Generals gross inability to adapt and get out of outdated War Tactics ideologies."
      You're not going to get behind enemy lines just by walking around within firing range. And the inability of Pershing to accept that even though the other nations had learned it the hard way was a prime factor contributing to US losses in WWI. And it's funny that you talk about speed but suggest troops should walk.
      But then, you seem to be pretty confused in general, since otherwise you wouldn't make such a comment about Vietnam, as if the tactics used in Vietnam had been outdated when in fact the use of helicopters to insert troops was a pretty new idea. It just didn't work.
      And your notion that strategy and tactics don't have to adapt to the locale are, well, unique... Comparing Vietnam with the fields of France suggests you've never been to Europe.
      "Movement is movement, whether you have 100,000 troops or 1,000,000. If trains or planes can't get them where they need to be, you throw 50 pounds on their back and MARCH them, 500 miles if necessary, to reach the target that needs to be gained."
      Your attitude is nothing but mass murder on soldiers. It's precisely your antiintellectual attitude which makes you oblivious to what ACTUALLY works and what doesn't because you restrict yourself to anecdotes of those events which fit your ideas instead of indeed studying what does work and what doesn't. You might learrn something, like the fact that
      If you march those soldiers 500 miles and they arrive half-starved and exhausted, they will be unlikely to take the position. And even if they are, they will be butchered on the way back. The plains of Eastern Europe and Russia have seen your ideas put into practice many times.
      "The movement Tactics of Grant or Sherman are still just as useful today as they were a hundred and fifty years ago."
      I don't think that an army that joined the war when everyone else was bled white and then suffered massive casualties pushing the losing side over because they managed to make shooting their green troops easy as shooting fish in a barrel is characterized by tactical or strategic genious.

  • @poketube9245
    @poketube9245 Před 7 lety +4

    want to do my modern history test for me tomorrow?

  • @bungalowbanana
    @bungalowbanana Před 6 lety

    Dont you just love it when 2 of your favourite youtubers colab

  • @JaesadaSrisuk
    @JaesadaSrisuk Před 7 lety +2

    Such an illuminating video. On a side note: where did you purchase your desk? I love it! Is it constructed out of an antique steamer trunk?

  • @cheydinal5401
    @cheydinal5401 Před 8 lety +3

    Indy Neidell ist eigentlich viel cooler als Christoph Krachten

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +1

      Das finden einige, ist ja Geschmackssache am Ende.

  • @Goodroosters
    @Goodroosters Před 8 lety +5

    heh... siege of liege

  • @andyberkemeijer9620
    @andyberkemeijer9620 Před 2 lety +2

    Great work Indy. Guess our German friends hadn't learned that in most any engagement the first casualty is the battle plan

  • @jimmygentile1088
    @jimmygentile1088 Před 6 lety

    I love this stuff. Isnt history great, I never get tired of this.

  • @Haaklong
    @Haaklong Před 8 lety +4

    The Germans wanted to blitz through Europe in a fast war, despite the fact that this is impossible in Europe, European cities are simply too strong to capture that fast and Germany could never march on the French, thankfully after the war everyone was sick of even the idea of war which is why World War I is called "the war to end all wars" and this lead to all Europeans uniting under a common goal for peace... And eventually invading Britain.

    • @AFT_05G
      @AFT_05G Před 5 lety

      Haaklong Nguyệt Germany could never march the French ? Hahahahahahaahahahahah Germany is much stronger than France in 1914.They could destroy all of France in 1vs1 war.

  • @Kehmet14
    @Kehmet14 Před 8 lety +4

    It is pronounced LEE' AI SZ. Not LIEGE like beige.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +2

      +Kehmet14 [ljɛʒ]

    • @Kehmet14
      @Kehmet14 Před 8 lety

      yes, I am also aware of copy/paste and Wikipedia

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +2

      Kehmet14 So, how is it LEEAISZ then?

    • @Kehmet14
      @Kehmet14 Před 8 lety

      A free and independent person; specifically, a lord paramount; a sovereign , would be pronounced the way you say it. The city is NOT

    • @rhysepoos
      @rhysepoos Před 8 lety

      +The Great War [ljɛʒ] should be pronounced L' YAIZH, but since 'LY' is difficult to pronounce, it becomes LEE-AIZH. Similar to the way 'IO' in Italian turns from YO to EE' OH

  • @Digiornoflocka
    @Digiornoflocka Před 7 lety +2

    this is such a great idea for a show and its produced so perfectly

  • @Jawmax
    @Jawmax Před 8 lety

    I watched you both before and it was amazing to see you both talking about the same thing

  • @cobbler9113
    @cobbler9113 Před 8 lety +4

    Shouldn't this video be titled "Why the Schlieffen Plan could not possibly work"?

    • @DavBlc7
      @DavBlc7 Před 6 lety

      Not possibly work all right in WW1 but It works in WW2 with Hitler using the similar plan except with more tanks and planes and more soldiers than in the last war.
      He altered the plan to go through the southern Belgian forest and trap the British in north east France and it seemed to work except that many British and some French & Belgians managed to escape from Dunkirk over the English Channel to England thanks to hundreds of small & medium civilian boats.

  • @eruno_
    @eruno_ Před 8 lety +3

    Bavarians not doing anything useful? typical.

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety +1

      You should have seen our faces when we stumbled across this fact.

  • @davidvergara607
    @davidvergara607 Před 6 lety

    I love the show I have subscribed

  • @buckyryan2804
    @buckyryan2804 Před 8 lety

    love your video

  • @thomaspaine3394
    @thomaspaine3394 Před 8 lety +1

    It makes my heart to see my two favorite channels working together. XD

  • @almeade1
    @almeade1 Před 7 lety

    very good injoying your vids very much

  • @polstierna4251
    @polstierna4251 Před 8 lety +2

    It would be so cool if you guys, at some point would do a special on the more unknown, experimental and sometimes rejected weapons and equipment that was developed during the war. Like the T-Gewehr, body armor, sniper masks, and Dr. Pollacks protective helmets!

    • @TheGreatWar
      @TheGreatWar  Před 8 lety

      +Emil Maxén That's a pretty cool idea, thanks! We'll keep it in mind, and see if we can fit that in somewhere.

  • @Fribourg-bb3sn
    @Fribourg-bb3sn Před 8 lety

    cool stuff with sub titles Indy ty

  • @arkking815
    @arkking815 Před 4 lety

    Awesome channel

  • @heathcliffslawyer4073
    @heathcliffslawyer4073 Před 6 lety

    this is excellent!

  • @hornchief4839
    @hornchief4839 Před 8 lety

    Yes! this is the best colab. ever!

  • @ryantheroman4331
    @ryantheroman4331 Před 8 lety +1

    Great Vid!