Pentecost for the Zombie Apocalypse
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- This talk was given at the 40th annual conference for the Diocese of the South in the Orthodox Church of America with the blessing of Archbishop Alexander Golitzin.
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The original audio was recorded by Ancient Faith Radio: www.ancientfaith.com/specials/...
--Glossary-
Liturgy: The main service of the Orthodox Church where communion is celebrated.
Altar: The table on which the services are celebrated by clergy in the Sanctuary.
Nave: The main part of the church where the faithful are situated.
Narthex: The entrance of the church which acts as a transition to the outside.
Hesychia: Stillness acquired by the practice of cyclical prayer and breathing which is the basis of the Orthodox spirituality.
Antidoron: Blessed bread out which the communion bread is cut out. Though communion is reserved for those who are prepared, the antidoron is given out abundantly after the service to all.
Nous: Intuitive capacity of human beings.
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4 years ago I wouldn’t even understand this talk. It’s a wonderful talk that makes complete sense. Some of us zombies found our way. Keep leaving crumbs for the dogs.
your comment made me cry. I'm in the same place, Noleen x Crumbs from the table of God are manna.
@@stefanielorimer9693 we’ve always been headed here. We are just seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.
Your comment was very well put. I'm there as well.
Wait .. are we zombies? .. or dogs? And the birbs ATE the breadcrumb trail man .. they ALWAYS do! I await the LIGHT to illuminate my nasty grubby corners so I can deal with the worms and vapours and body parts hidden therein. Heheeheh.
Intercede for us St. Christopher.
"A mob that only interacts with what they desire but never with each other"
Powerful, sad and true
As one of those priests present at this talk, I want to thank you for this, Jonathan. All of those clergy whom I spoke to after the talk felt like it was the high point of our week-long assembly. This is a beautiful offering and I think that it manifests the Gospel in an honest and entirely practical way. Perhaps this might have been a bit edgy for some folks, though I find that hard to understand. I think that you were offering us both the reality of the world and the promise of the Kingdom of God. Much food for thought here! Thank you.
Fr James Bozeman Amen! I agree
Yes!!!! One of my very favorite talks I’ve heard Jonathan give.
“the reality of the world and the promise of the kingdom of God”
Spot on!
As one of those atheists(now former) thank you. Orthodoxy is the one I cannot discount, so much of the church fathers strikes a cord of a very lay person
Revisiting this talk around Pentecost is always refreshing.
It’s amazing to listen to this all these years later. Realizing how prophetic it was, maybe still is. Realizing how powerfully this talk and others like it have changed so many people.
That was......Wow! God is using you mightily to prepare the CHURCH....,BROTHER. The Zombies are at door......
You have the gift of prophecy, my friend
Mr Jonathan Pageau if you read this, I want you to know that as Jordan Petersen said you have been touched by genius.
So, at the end of this presentation, I learned to keep my Orthodox life centered in Christ at the same time to keep it open to every kind of being as long as the being is non-demonic, and I must be careful and aware in case our Lord disguises as one of them.
Warm Orthodox regards from Southeast Asia☦
My business partner identifies as transgender and uses St Ignatius’s writings for his daily devotions. He may well be an angel.
This is one of the most profound and intelligent pieces of material on religion i've ever seen. Really having a sense that this is exactly what the subject religion should be all about in school. You do such a good job at being both extremely academic, but also extremely profound in your way of presenting this stuff! Huge thanks from Denmark, and keep up the good work. P.S pro marketing-tip: Take the part where you talk about St. Christopher and the cannanite/caninite(not sure which is which) and put it out as a separate video, if it worked as an article you can be damn sure it works as a video.
Asbjørn de Place it is in school. School of the Holy Spirit 😉
Absolutely brilliant. I’m one of those reformed atheists coming back to religion. Like you said it’s like breathing again 👍
Thank you for this talk. My heart was challenged and then lifted, in that order, as I saw how Christ has brought myself (chaos) into himself, and will continue to do so as he promised.
I was privileged to attend this talk, and I must say it was one of the most inspiring talks I have heard. I have been excited to listen to it again. It spoke directly to me as an Orthodox musician and songwriter. Thank you Johnathan.
This is probably my favourite talk of his. So moving..
A perennial classic.
I too was at this talk and found it very compelling. We have to stand in that middle place between this world and its brokenness and that sacred space where the cosmic vision of Christ is revealed. We move from the altar into the world. It made me think of the hymn from Holy Week, "Thy Tomb, O Christ, is the fountain of our resurrection!" Everyone I spoke with after the talk also loved it.
At about 39:00 I took the talk personally. Thanks for sharing this. (translated from barking)
New favorite channel. Keep making videos. Get back with JPB and promote your channel a bit. You should have WAY MORE than 2.3k followers.
Capt. Cutler agreed
Yeah, I'm sure theres tons of people who would find this interesting, if only they could find out that they're interested.
This is unbelievably worthwhile!!!
Pageau San, Many of your talks (this one especially) have a special way of breaking the heart open. Revealing there-within a certain light; a voice from a distant place long sought after, once a whisper now becoming a dauntless shofar. A resonance we recognize without recollection.
This is so important as we hurl to the edge: Arigatou Zaisho (thank you illusion)
God Bless💛
Haha he's really right when he says 7:00 zombies are the atheists insistance on the illusion of free will. I once argued to my friend that we are all philisophical zombies
Its cool how you, John Vervaeke, and Jordan Peterson are raising a generation of unique thinkers. I can’t wait to see the development of this community as we all continue together in our journey.
The closed door of the coptics is profound, and a cautionary tale.. my mind goes to the gates of Vienna.. and the modern day breach of the Mediterranean void..
wow!!the closed door in the coptic icon terified me as orthodox christian! this video must bee seen several times.
There is A LOT in it!p.s the clay icon with st.george and st.cristifer is from Macedonia,about 100 km from Skopje where i am from it:)). they where used as funeral icons in the 6 sencuri.I will trie to look for the translation of the tex and send you. Christ between us brother+++
That was thought provoking and beautiful, much like the icons of St. Christopher. Thank you, Jonathan.
Profoundly moving and gracefully presented. "...there's something about the margins that arouses our passions". Bless all those who have kept the doors open.
This was awesome. I loved all the imagery.
Your comments about breakdown bringing different people's together brings to mind the Lord of the Rings and the circumstances that resulted in the Fellowship, not simply the simply racial make up, but the personalities and backgrounds of those that comprised it.
This video is a mind worm.
Wow this presentation is so relevant today!
Phenomenal, inspiring. Great talk!
This was very moving, Jonathan. Excellent work.
More crumbs please!
Brilliant phenomenology. Well done and please keep up good work.
I challenge any atheist to offer something this beautiful and moving. This was truly inspiring. Thank you Jonathan. Bravo
Monumenthal, provoking, Bravo. Gracias
Sir, you are a fantastic public speaker! Well done, well done indeed.
I can't articulate why, but this was the most intense and beautiful things I've ever heard. It might take me the rest of my life to process this.
Glory to God in all things!
That was amazing, thank you
For the Game of Thrones fans out there: the carved icon of St Christoper that Jonathan showed from his studio for some reason brought to mind the Direwolf that House Stark have on their heraldry. As the 'good house' situated right at the edge of the civilised world, that would fit with what Jonathan is saying about St Christopher, placed at the end of the known and the unknown.
Really fantastic. Imagery was amazing. Thankyou from Australia
45:30 I’m a nurse and I know people like this, MH/MR, intensely religious, they sort of practice every religion and no particular religion at the same time. There are more people on the margins than we realize, ready to fall through the cracks at any moment, people like Margeolyn who *are* in the cracks and we know them, and all to many who are “lost to follow-up”
Some of them are probably happier through the cracks than they would be shut up in an airtight system, because the system fails to honor their humanity, and doesn’t do justice to the humanity of it’s workers either. Bless you for the work you do.
Man this is powerful, thank you so much brother
Wow. I'm trying to find the words... THE best thing I've come across in a while.
Dense, rich, tightly packed. Powerful.
(Excellent pace btw.)
Powerful.
His description of St. Christopher reminds me of Jordan Peterson.
Deep soul searching information and for this Lenten time of cleansing! Thanks.
Absolutely stellar Jonathan. Your voice is like an algorithm. A sorely needed proof of structure.
This is wonderful. I am a cradle catholic who grew up in VII churches and left because there was no experience of the Divine. I floated for a bit and then had an encounter with Christ in Pentecost. So as a technically catholic, yet born-again pentecostal believer in Jesus Christ living at the margins of the church, I experience this talk as an invitation to walk through the door again. Thank you Jonathan.
What are VII churches?
There are many of us that stand in the Narthex.
I hope you decide to come on in one day.
Love it Johnathon! Thank you
I really love this talk, thank you Jonathan.
My new favorite JP video, old favorite Sacred Art in Secular Terms, I'm learning so much I love it
beautiful
Thank you
14:45. Wow! Great point and applicable to today. 😲
Eloquent and profound.
My favorite talk of yours. Ever. So very very important, Jonathan! You have my prayers. ☦
Wow. Incredible
keep up the great work!
Amazing thank you
JAYA
Oh my gosh !!!! I’m up to the part about Margarine visiting the Mosque also and my heart is on fire (the good kind…..I’ve experienced both fires and this is the good one).
This is mind blowing. (Pun intended for the zombie fanatics)
Wow. Thank you for heralding this territory-time. One accessible bridge would be two think of Hebrews eleven:forty and the family dog . . . given what earthquake/avalanche rescue dogs can do..
Jonathan,
You had me at Zombie Apocalypse! haha....
But in all seriousness your talk resonated with me. I was spellbound. I find it more than coincidental that the creation of the Zombie Logos (if I am using the term correctly) was given birth at the same time that Western Judeo-Christian civilization gave way to the Post-Modernist cultural revolution which has brought about great chaos.
I believe this modern rise in the cultural fascination with zombies is a collective subconscious understanding of the coming chaos and apocalypse. To me the zombies represent those who have succumbed to the nihilism so deeply that they have lost their souls and no action, no matter how depraved or demonic, is unacceptable. For myself, I feel an urgent need to prepare, much like how Noah must have felt. This began in a mustard seed about 20 years ago, maybe even sooner subconsciously. This was merely when I became consciously aware that there was a tear in the fabric of human civilization analogous with the veil at the crucifixion. This feeling began as merely a tickle on my consciousness but has exponentially increased over the last several years.
With each passing day I feel a greater need and urgency to get ready; Physically, Emotionally and in particular Spiritually. For I have a deep foreboding of a great crisis coming. Similarly, I would assume, with those who are aware of an approaching hurricane and are running out of time to store up food and board up the windows and doors. And I mean this not simply metaphorically but in a very literal sense. I feel very deeply in my core being that those who have not stored up food, shelter and water will be at the mercy of God or Luck or Chance, which ever one puts their Faith in.
I too used to be an Atheist and I too began searching for something to believe in, a deeper meaning to our existence as I began to see how empty the nihilism of the Post-Modern age was becoming. I believe we are coming to an irreversible tipping point. We see it all around us, this Balkanization of cultures and beliefs, while civilization seems to be crumbling before my eyes. Post-Modern Collectivism is going to be the hammer that shatters the glass that separates civilization from anarchy. Most people have no concept how thin the veil is that stands between civilization and barbarism.
I used to think I was a lone crazy man running around shouting "We're Doomed!" but now I see a great collective consciousness that see's and feel's the same thing, "Something Wicked this Way Comes!"
I often wonder if other believers in God also believe the prophecies within the scriptures are currently playing out in front of us. I also sometimes ponder if this is just a stage or cycle within human history that must play out every thousand years or so. This descension into total anarchy and chaos before the resurrection of civilization back out of the ashes once again.
History seems to be playing it's same old song all over again.
I do believe the Zombies are coming, but unfortunately they are neither easily recognizable nor slow and mindless. Unwittingly...may be.. but they are certainly serving Satan.
Based on my understanding of your presentation you seem to have similar thoughts in this regard that I hope you delve into deeper in future videos. Much of your presentation put into words, thoughts I have been having for years. One might even call them premonitions, or even taking it further, visions. Whatever term one wishes to use.
Thank you for the presentation. I have enjoyed the education and thought food other videos of yours has brought me but this one made me decide to become a subscriber.
P.S. It hit me while I was typing this, the irony that my Avatar happens to be that of a Dog faced Soldier.
As an Agnostic, Dyslexic, Insomniac I often keep awake at night contemplating the existence of Dog.
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I agree. In fact I think it is far worse than the possible end of the world. I believe we may be facing the possible extinction of Western Civilization. And I'm not joking about that. I believe that threat is very real. I PRAY it is only a temporary reset and that within a generation or so my Grandchildren might have the possibility of living in a free land without tyranny and gulags.
buffaloroams2 I too had these premonitions, and years ago began the process of preparing myself and extracating myself from the dominant culture. I reasoned that the only way to prepare for the unpreparable was not to stockpile food and ammo in some fevered apocalyptic paranoia, burying myself into one location like a tick, totally dependent on my finite stores, but to cultivate my ability to acquire and craft my needs and my adaptability to novel environments, discipline and condition my body and mind, and repair the damage in my soul. Even if I am hopefully wrong, such a process will not have been time ill spent.
The only criticism I've had for Jonathan Pageau is that he doesn't have a high Christolgy, and he nods to Neo-gnosticism, giving gnostic heresies more consideration than they deserve. Paul Kingsnorth offered a kind, gentle, friendly, but firm correction in Pageau's interview with him. I hope Jonathan will have to wisdom to accept that, and seek a deeper, more transformative relationship with Our Lord Jesus Christ, for the good of his soul. Otherwise, he always makes things interesting, and his talk on how iconography shifted in the West to more sensual sculpture was really good. I enjoyed the presentation very much. 😊
Thanks Jonathan, another great video. I would like to comment about the relation between your work and Jordan Peterson's work. In my view, Professor Peterson is standing not only on the border between chaos and order but also somewhere between the material and the spiritual worlds. Being a scientist his feet might be grounded in the empirical, nonetheless he is clearly pointing towards the transcendent. I believe those who will feel the call to step beyond where Peterson is standing, will potentially benefit greatly by your presence online and by having the possibility to listen to a voice which is at once 'modern' and at the same time firmly rooted in Orthodoxy and tradition. I know you already have a Patreon campaign to support your drawings, my hope is that you will consider starting another in order to upgrade and expand this channel. Personally I would definitely be among your supporters.
Not to sound conspiratorial, but St. Peter is the gatekeeper of Heaven. Just saying.
The Dog-Man joins the God-Man against the Mob-Man.
One complaint: categories do not actually break down in society. To believe that they do is, in effect, to believe modernism's boast that it can break those categories. It can't; the categories are just fine. It's society who suffers when it believes the categories are broken.
Zombies are not created when categories break down. They are created when people fall into the illusion that the categories have broken down. This isn't merely a verbal problem. The categories are always there for us, should we wish to revisit them. We have to be careful with our words lest we inadvertently support the illusion that the categories have been removed and therefore that there is some reality or validity to the zombie state.
You make a very valid point.
@@JonathanPageau & which is very gentlemanly of you to concede these rapier points of fine distinction. Yes twice had they fairly nicked your hour long dissertation. Still JP it takes nothing away at all, rather burnishes this bravura performance of yours which has stood firm and true while President's come and go, yes indeed "the zombies scratching at the door" get louder yet I prefer to only hear your chortles to some delicious irony.
Hmmmm.... Interesting talk, but it doesn't seem relevant to my situation. Except.....except there is something here that is speaking to me. As I pursue the Religion part of my education, I take copious amounts of notes. All I have written for this lecture is that I have more work to do, that I need to keep at it, and that I need to revisit this lecture in a year or less. I feel it moves the Logos in me. I will be back when I am better prepared. Thank you, Jonathan.
When men and women are the same thing, when good and bad are subjective, insanity is at it's fullest. And from that fullness and chaos, the seed of it's opposite awakens. Even now the Truth of the World burns as a Flame upon this lowly earth. Scales will fall from eyes. Balance will be a thing again. And Beauty will reign. Truth will be remembered.
*When the world is upside-down, it's takes a Trickster to flip it on it's head!* - Trickster 🦊 🐾
The Edge is Near!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is there a chance we might face a Zombie Apocalypse?
19:00, Pentecost is a _multiplication_ (a continuation of the deadline "the great wall"). While either side is passively corrupting the _multiplicity into fragments..._ (destroying life instead of continuing it...) _the two different kinds of evolution_
Interestingly as well (you may have picked up on this already), St Christopher ended up going to Lycia where he converted two prostitutes before being beheaded. The name Lycia appears to be linked in to the greek word "lykos" meaning "wolf" through the legend of Leto being guided to the river Xanthos by wolves. Lykos is also the root for the word "lycanthropy" ofcourse.
4:50 Yeat's poem; the widening gyre, the centre cannot hold
Regarding the Armenian manuscript image, I would suggest that is a picture of "outside are dogs and sorcerers..." (Rev 22:15), especially considering the hat on the man. But I do love the article and presentation. Regarding the Coptic image, those doors are doors of protection; and into this comes "I am the door." Again, Revelation speaks of the assurance of the martyrs, the safety of their souls. It is important to remember that we can't really apply our sensibilities to all others; these have become the persecuted outsiders in their own countries.
Yeah. It speaks to how bad it is to persecute and be persecuted. It shuts the doors on important things.
I hadn't realized before that Canaan and Canine are such similar words.
"We think of the ark of Noah as a very holy thing, and in a certain way it is ... but it is also filled to the brim with beasts"
ASDFGHJKL How did I never notice that!!!
Lol
Wow...
I red it as "Zimbabwe Apocalypse". I do not know what I expected.
hahahahhahahaaa
MarcinP2 😂
eauiful
7:48 - Liturgical zombies - there is certainly such a thing, and they do exist in large numbers. It is Orthodox Christian parishioners who come to Liturgy services weekly, often for many decades, but never grow up spiritually (nor they have any desire to do so). In my observations, they comprise the majority of the crowd at a typical Sunday service.
The image of St. Christopher reminds me of the Alexamenos graffito.
Eastern Europeans have most of the best European Undead Myths, although the Celtic Barrow Wight ought to be a stronger contender. The Ghanaian “Zombie” is, properly understood, so different from any of them that it’s conflation is a cultural oddity. The type of undeath cinematically pioneered by Romaro strikes me as much more like the Celtic Wight then the Voodoo slave, or the Imps of the Devil in Carpathian lore.
Was Saint Christopher his own best friend?
you should add "pentecost" in your glossary.
32:30
33:10 sounds like the same true danger in the movie Bird Box.
Okay that is twice now Mr Pageau has shown Harpies when speaking of Sirens. Harpies are ANGERED being associated with those sweet-voiced Barbiesque vain fluff-balls. But hey, it's all Greek to me. My hair also reminds me of Death because when it is cold, I am helpless without Him and His coverings. I can barely change a flat-tire much less make a sutiable outdoor covering for travels in snow. I can't run faster than a lion, not leap higher than a tiger. I am dead without Him. Like literally. Every moment .. dead dirst and ash animated by Love.
St. Christopher appears to be a homeopathic saint. He is not completely in the margins but in an even more odd place--between the margins and the Church.
45:40 Oh! Clever...
Jesus also rose from the dead, and amassed a mob of zombies. Good Christians abound, yet also crave the 'flesh' of the Messiah, whether symbolic, or literal. Please comment on Christianity and it's apparent loss of direction. Many of the largest churches have succumbed to cultural pressure; a fact that was present during the inception of the umbrella term of "Christianity."
Matthew 8:21-22
21 Another of the disciples said to him, "Lord, let me first go and bury my father."
22 But Jesus said to him, "Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead."
For some reason I couldn't see this video in my subscriptions page even with refreshing many times, not until i un- and resubscribed to your channel. I was informed of the video only by Dr. Petersons twitter, and there has been some fuckery going on with various CZcams channels lately, videos not showing up, viewers unsubscribed from channels without them doing anything themselves and now Jordan himself not being able to access his channel. Let's hope it's just technical hiccups, gave a follow on twitter to keep updated.
While I can understand some of the ideologically possessed would want to silence Jordan Peterson (after all he did declare outright war to the postmodernist neo marxists with his program to cut the rate of enrolment in their university coursed by 75%) I would be genuinely surprised if the same was happening to Jonathan Pageau.
Jordan Peterson's colleague at the UoT, John Vervaeke, has written a book on this subject that I think you would enjoy. It's called Zombies in Western Culture, and it covers much of the same symbolic ground that you cover in this video, from some different angles since he isn't Orthodox.
www.openbookpublishers.com/product.php/602/zombies-in-western-culture--a-twenty-first-century-crisis?602/zombies-in-western-culture--a-twenty-first-century-crisis
Thanks.
Don't you talk about my island like that and stop guessing
canine? interesting.
St. Christopher seems to make me think of the 'progressive' movement's increasing tendency to make itself look unsuitable for the future of humanity.
Yeah i thought the same, but I'm not sure if that's me doing exactly the same thing as people who try to interpret the iconagraphy in their political interest, Marxists for instance.
could you please provide some Bible text that confirm any of the saints are alive anywhere and able to be more effective in protecting us than the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ?
I never said that the saints are more effective in protecting us than the Holy Spirit. As for being alive, there is that John 3:16 verse that everyone likes to cite all the time.
well perishing is not sleeping in the dust till the resurrection that Jesus refers to and Eccl. 9 that teaches us that the dead are asleep and know nothing..you know Jesus said He is coming back again and 'My reward is with Me' and that when He appears 'Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER with them (being the dead in Christ) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.''.. so you know we all go together when He comes not individually as we die. i meant to say that praying to 'saints' like St Christopher is pointless as according to Jesus, he is dead awaiting the resurrection in the dust.
That is what evangelicals teach, but not what Christ taught, nor what the Christian church has taught since the beginning until the 17th century. Sorry.
What the Bible teaches is that when Christ returns all those who died in the Lord will be resurrected and those still alive will all meet the Lord in the air TOGETHER see 1Thess. 4:16 and 17...i have to stick to the Bible and not what the 'church teaches' ... look at the catholics praying in front of statues which are foridden to even make. the 'church' has more than gone astray brother. i do agree with so much of your teaching...ive been marathoning your videos today...very smart and organized thinking...
God making them skins of innocent animals was the first time God illustrated His immutable law that the 'wages of sin is death'. something had to die, blood had to be spilt to 'cover them'.