As a Canadian, this one hurts... a lot. I am disgusted to find out that our coaches were engaging in this conduct, and in a systematic way. With that said, we didn't become the team we did (in both men's and women's) simply by drone spying. We built these teams from the ground up and have been blessed to have some generational talent come through. Drones didn't teach Alphonso how to run, or Sinclair how to score a clutch goal. If you think our performance these days is strictly down to drone footage, then you're just a terrible analyst. Hopefully, we can get past this and continue to build our programs. I feel gutted for the players on our Women's team right now who feel like they have the weight of the world on their shoulders. They have persevered and our really giving a gutsy performance right now!
I live in Asia and I used to be a big fan of both the USWNT and Canada WNT... until Herdman arrived. It's no longer a respectful competition but everything became really toxic. IMO he brought out the worst in people. I'm feeling really bad for some of the Canadian players whom I still follow cuz they absolutely don't deserve all this. I really hope Canadian soccer fans do the right thing and stop protecting the people behind all this because that's the only way to make sure no more innocent Canadian athletes are hurt in the future.
The margins in world Futbol are so thin that any unfair advantage can make the difference. Hate this for the players, but it definitely puts their success into question. We all wondered how CanMNT magically managed to become a legitimately good team in just a couple years. This makes sense.
Scouting other teams is done everywhere, using a drone is hi tech cutting edge scouting. Having said that, rules are rules and in the final analysis I doubt it is any more useful than old school game film analysis, so let’s not use it again. Don’t punish the players for coaching mistakes!
There will be a lot of people, including the two of you, who will be responsible for the mental health of these players. Pretty disgusted with you too.
we actually love this because Now we have more to prove going forward. That it was our talent not the media narrative that we can bang with the best of them. We need this fuel leading into 2026. Thank you.
If im peter argurso and kevin blue there needs to be a full investigation to the board as well if the want to build better relationships with communities
As a Canadian, I can tell you that everyone that I know is totally embarrassed by this. This seems totally un-Canadian to most of us. I feel badly for the players; but I do think that punishment is warranted. Having said that & knowing how corrupt FIFA management has been, it's kind of rich & ironic that they would be the ones to dole out any kind of punishment. I do think that if CONCACAF & FIFA are going to be investigating Canada through our history, which I do agree with, then they are obliged to also investigate Tyler Adams & Herc Gomez's statements & look into how prevalent this kind of cheating has been in all of soccer all along. Quite frankly, I don't see any difference in sending drones to watch practices, versus sending people incognito to spy on other team's practices. It is just a more modern version of the same form of cheating. By the way, Canada has recently replaced board members & has a new CEO, Kevin Blue, who comes from the golf world & he most likely would not condone this behaviour st all.
How can it be Not cheating while using a Drone to spy on the opponent's training session? If you allow all Teams to spy as well with a drone, then everybody has an equal opportunity. As long as the IOC says not to use Drones to spy, then that's cheating, unless the other team does the same.
We’ll be waiting. England is easily bought with sketchy sources of money. Just look at Chelsea and all the British banks falling over themselves to take Russian companies public since 1999. It’s all laid out in Putin’s People 📕 by journalist, Catherine Belton.
like Herc hasnt intentionally flown a drone over Seba's backyard to see what kind of riches his co host has, or to see if there was a party to which Herc wasnt invited.
When was the last time you saw any team get docked 6 points? It simply doesn't happen. Not excusing their behaviour, but if we gonna dock them 6 points for this, then we should dock other teams too for other offenses.
NZ should appeal, there’s no way of knowing that the tactics Canada saw were used against them in that win. They should have been given the three points.
@@TT-fq7pl Breaking a rule doesn't mean you can hand out whatever punishment you see fit. The punishment should fit the crime. Docking 6 points when the team is already playing without their coaches is way too much.
@@imaratspal But that's EXACTLY what it means, ffs. If you break the rules set up by an organization, that organization imposes the penalty that they see fit. Who else is more qualified to do it? The cheating team? Its players? Its fan base? Come on, man, be reasonable. The deduction was more than fair, as it still gave them an opportunity to advance when many people expected them to be disqualified.
@@TT-fq7pl Seems like you're not able to think for yourself or form your own opinion if you blindly just trust and agree with everything every organization in charge of anything that implements any rules decides.
First time Herc agrees with Alexi. Pundits only people with hurt feelings over this. All this hyperbole about the past ...who cares, They cheated. some heads roll and some penalties. Maybe they should be sent home. but to make it some giant thing when teams been sneaking views of practice forever is blowing it out of proportion. Hope they try to suspend Heardman and toronto fc says f off
This is similar to Jim Harbaugh's scouting scandal/cheating at the University of Michigan except in that case the team was allowed to play in the national championship game.
But even more entitled and delusional than the USA fan base that thinks its team is good enough to win COPA and rips its program to shreds because they aren’t?
The Canadian fan base can indeed be really obnoxious. They make it really hard on someone from another continent who is a fan of both US and Canadian team. I left the Canadian fan base after Herman arrived, because the attitude turned into a crazy zero-sum attitude rather than a good respectful competition or sportmanship as before. I was very surprised by the change in attitude and kind of ruin the reputation of being nice for Canadians. Seriously that guy brings out the worst behaviors in people, even the nicest people, that I never thought was possible.
I agree with the hosts. I think they are correct. But I do think we should not base what we think the quality of the Canadian teams are on this. Bielsa is a famous example of spying on other teams and admitting it later. I’m not sure that he or his teams got punished for that. And what is Fair in sports? If one team can out-spend another team by 100 to one or more is that fair? What about drug enhancing performances? I’m not saying yay or nay to this, but should athletes that use marijuana be disqualified from competing as they have been in the past? Are steroids wrong? I’m not arguing for against any of these things. I’m just raising the question. I think fairness doesn’t really come into it. Not in a world where the best teams are the richest teams. maybe poor teams like Canada should be given the advantage of drones or a handicap or something, if we want to make things fair.
The Canadian teams should of been sent home.But this debacle exposes the corruption with Canada Soccer.I even heard that they also used a drone in the Copa America playoff against Trinidad&Tobago.And in Copa America as well.
Most of what you gentleman spoke on is coming sense ..... Agreed .......watching your competition is normal. during warmups up ....spying is shady... When it comes to calling Tyler Adams intelligent and smart enough.... Stop that cap.... Dude sucks along with all these fake golden generation club kids that have been hyped for years....... The Olympic squad is better ... One x
Great show. How could these Canadian coaches do this to there country and to all the players they coach through the years. Both coaches knew they were cheating and the truth will come out. I’m a father with two daughter and help them learn the beautiful game. The Canadian tarnish the game. The Canadian organization needs to be over hauled and give back the medals to the 2nd, 3rd,4th place winners from prior tournaments. Canada needs to man up.
Wow, seems like there needs to be a thorough investigation needs to be done asap. Stories and blame game doesn’t add up. Canada, as an America in disappointed - you are better than that and always had the talent and grit. This isn’t strategic coaching, this is clearly disrespect to your opponent, the game and your country. Earn your W’s now and all involved should be fired including higher ups in federation. 👎👎👎
The Qatar 2022 Game, Canada Morocco. It seemed a little bit bizarre that a National Team with I thought is somewhat an unknown Coach, that they knew the game during the match enough but didn't come with a result not against Morocco nor Croatia nor Belgium. So, if I add the FACTOR that they spied on their opponents, then it makes more sense. But, lets not say too much and wait for the Canadian Media to lead the way.
@@BriiizzziiiCheating or let’s call it behaving dishonourably, does it matter if it’s off or on the field? When Argentina came out 10 minutes late vs Canada, everyone at futbol americas said that it wouldn’t have mattered anyway etc…For Herc to say it brings into question Canadas run at qualifying for Qatar is ridiculous.
@@drewz1111 it 100% matters. Cheating on the field can be noticed and the team cheating can be punished accordingly and the other team has a chance to counter the cheating as well. On the other hand, cheating outside the field has a lower chance of being seen which automatically means that the other team can get away with it much easier. This type of cheating also gives the other team a lower chance at being able to counter it. In this case, Canada was gaining information about the other teams that goes beyond studying tapes which whether or not you think is cheating, it’s at the very, very, very least un sportsmanship of the highest degree and is frankly embarrassing and disappointing.
"a Canadian soccer player came up to me, big guy, strong guy, with tears in his eyes, he said Sir, how do you do it? How do you get away with all the cheating and the lies without getting punished Sir? How do you do it?" DJT 😂😂😂
As a Canadian, this one hurts... a lot. I am disgusted to find out that our coaches were engaging in this conduct, and in a systematic way. With that said, we didn't become the team we did (in both men's and women's) simply by drone spying. We built these teams from the ground up and have been blessed to have some generational talent come through. Drones didn't teach Alphonso how to run, or Sinclair how to score a clutch goal. If you think our performance these days is strictly down to drone footage, then you're just a terrible analyst.
Hopefully, we can get past this and continue to build our programs. I feel gutted for the players on our Women's team right now who feel like they have the weight of the world on their shoulders. They have persevered and our really giving a gutsy performance right now!
I live in Asia and I used to be a big fan of both the USWNT and Canada WNT... until Herdman arrived. It's no longer a respectful competition but everything became really toxic. IMO he brought out the worst in people. I'm feeling really bad for some of the Canadian players whom I still follow cuz they absolutely don't deserve all this.
I really hope Canadian soccer fans do the right thing and stop protecting the people behind all this because that's the only way to make sure no more innocent Canadian athletes are hurt in the future.
The margins in world Futbol are so thin that any unfair advantage can make the difference.
Hate this for the players, but it definitely puts their success into question. We all wondered how CanMNT magically managed to become a legitimately good team in just a couple years. This makes sense.
Really ? Yes it was dumb and illegal but what kind of info could they get at a training ground ? oh yeah French nuclear secrets.
That doesn’t change that the US got grouped.
You have to actually perform though, so no, this doesn’t explain why they’re decent.
Scouting other teams is done everywhere, using a drone is hi tech cutting edge scouting. Having said that, rules are rules and in the final analysis I doubt it is any more useful than old school game film analysis, so let’s not use it again. Don’t punish the players for coaching mistakes!
The person that used the drone in France was arrested and broke the law in France. Laws are in place for a reason.
No one will ever be able to trust Canada again 🥺
Ok so why did the 6 Chinese swimmers who tested positive for the same banned substance as last Olympics, not get sent home?
Does that make the drone OK?
@@robertgeorge4064 Where does it say they are ok?
@@nathalieconnor5803 I just don’t see what the China thing has to do with the Canada thing.
@@robertgeorge4064 Well, in the China case, no one was sent home or penalized for cheating. The incident was swept under the rug!
@@leecox6241 yea not equal treatment. Somebody in authority got rewarded.
There will be a lot of people, including the two of you, who will be responsible for the mental health of these players. Pretty disgusted with you too.
All wins are now in question as they should be
Why don't they get one of those guns that zap the drones?
They can say you destroyed their property
we actually love this because Now we have more to prove going forward. That it was our talent not the media narrative that we can bang with the best of them. We need this fuel leading into 2026. Thank you.
If im peter argurso and kevin blue there needs to be a full investigation to the board as well if the want to build better relationships with communities
As a Canadian, I can tell you that everyone that I know is totally embarrassed by this. This seems totally un-Canadian to most of us.
I feel badly for the players; but I do think that punishment is warranted.
Having said that & knowing how corrupt FIFA management has been, it's kind of rich & ironic that they would be the ones to dole out any kind of punishment.
I do think that if CONCACAF & FIFA are going to be investigating Canada through our history, which I do agree with, then they are obliged to also investigate Tyler Adams & Herc Gomez's statements & look into how prevalent this kind of cheating has been in all of soccer all along. Quite frankly, I don't see any difference in sending drones to watch practices, versus sending people incognito to spy on other team's practices. It is just a more modern version of the same form of cheating.
By the way, Canada has recently replaced board members & has a new CEO, Kevin Blue, who comes from the golf world & he most likely would not condone this behaviour st all.
How can it be Not cheating while using a Drone to spy on the opponent's training session?
If you allow all Teams to spy as well with a drone, then everybody has an equal opportunity.
As long as the IOC says not to use Drones to spy, then that's cheating, unless the other team does the same.
Exactly right.
good grief ... now do manchester city :(
Got nothing to do with america
We’ll be waiting. England is easily bought with sketchy sources of money. Just look at Chelsea and all the British banks falling over themselves to take Russian companies public since 1999. It’s all laid out in Putin’s People 📕 by journalist, Catherine Belton.
like Herc hasnt intentionally flown a drone over Seba's backyard to see what kind of riches his co host has, or to see if there was a party to which Herc wasnt invited.
lol 😊
6 pt deduction is very fair
When was the last time you saw any team get docked 6 points? It simply doesn't happen. Not excusing their behaviour, but if we gonna dock them 6 points for this, then we should dock other teams too for other offenses.
NZ should appeal, there’s no way of knowing that the tactics Canada saw were used against them in that win. They should have been given the three points.
Can't give a team points they didn't earn 😂
I strongly agree. The Canada game should have been a forfeit, so Canada 0 - NZ 3. NZ were the ones treated unfairly...and I'm Canadian.
This is so overblown, it's crazy
Bloody tempest in a teapot.
There are rules. They knew them, and they got caught breaking them. It's not overblown at all.
@@TT-fq7pl Breaking a rule doesn't mean you can hand out whatever punishment you see fit. The punishment should fit the crime. Docking 6 points when the team is already playing without their coaches is way too much.
@@imaratspal But that's EXACTLY what it means, ffs. If you break the rules set up by an organization, that organization imposes the penalty that they see fit. Who else is more qualified to do it? The cheating team? Its players? Its fan base? Come on, man, be reasonable. The deduction was more than fair, as it still gave them an opportunity to advance when many people expected them to be disqualified.
@@TT-fq7pl Seems like you're not able to think for yourself or form your own opinion if you blindly just trust and agree with everything every organization in charge of anything that implements any rules decides.
First time Herc agrees with Alexi. Pundits only people with hurt feelings over this. All this hyperbole about the past ...who cares, They cheated. some heads roll and some penalties. Maybe they should be sent home. but to make it some giant thing when teams been sneaking views of practice forever is blowing it out of proportion. Hope they try to suspend Heardman and toronto fc says f off
This is similar to Jim Harbaugh's scouting scandal/cheating at the University of Michigan except in that case the team was allowed to play in the national championship game.
Herculez-hi-this is incredible drone!till next time,
Westhead has been wrong more times then he's been right.
Still not changing the fact Canada came in 4th and there is no evidence that we use it during the tournament
I don’t believe the prayers didn’t know cheating was going on and that they were benefiting from it!
Good riddance! Love Canada's men national team players but I've never meant a more entitled and delusional fanbase. Karma is real!
But even more entitled and delusional than the USA fan base that thinks its team is good enough to win COPA and rips its program to shreds because they aren’t?
What do you mean by that remark regarding the fanbase?
@@dyee276750 I think the meaning intended is that the fanbase is entitled and delusional. But I admit, English is my first language.
we are an excited bunch lol but absolutely not delusional lol.
The Canadian fan base can indeed be really obnoxious. They make it really hard on someone from another continent who is a fan of both US and Canadian team. I left the Canadian fan base after Herman arrived, because the attitude turned into a crazy zero-sum attitude rather than a good respectful competition or sportmanship as before. I was very surprised by the change in attitude and kind of ruin the reputation of being nice for Canadians. Seriously that guy brings out the worst behaviors in people, even the nicest people, that I never thought was possible.
I agree with the hosts. I think they are correct. But I do think we should not base what we think the quality of the Canadian teams are on this. Bielsa is a famous example of spying on other teams and admitting it later. I’m not sure that he or his teams got punished for that. And what is Fair in sports? If one team can out-spend another team by 100 to one or more is that fair? What about drug enhancing performances? I’m not saying yay or nay to this, but should athletes that use marijuana be disqualified from competing as they have been in the past? Are steroids wrong? I’m not arguing for against any of these things. I’m just raising the question. I think fairness doesn’t really come into it. Not in a world where the best teams are the richest teams. maybe poor teams like Canada should be given the advantage of drones or a handicap or something, if we want to make things fair.
And we still made the Quarterfinals… beeeatch
But eliminated by Germany in penalties.
No repeat Olympic Gold medal for the Canada WNT.
The Canadian men's team will not be sanctioned.
Is US next?
The Canadian teams should of been sent home.But this debacle exposes the corruption with Canada Soccer.I even heard that they also used a drone in the Copa America playoff against Trinidad&Tobago.And in Copa America as well.
Have! Learn to spell please!
Most of what you gentleman spoke on is coming sense .....
Agreed .......watching your competition is normal. during warmups up ....spying is shady...
When it comes to calling Tyler Adams intelligent and smart enough....
Stop that cap....
Dude sucks along with all these fake golden generation club kids that have been hyped for years.......
The Olympic squad is better ...
One x
Great show. How could these Canadian coaches do this to there country and to all the players they coach through the years. Both coaches knew they were cheating and the truth will come out. I’m a father with two daughter and help them learn the beautiful game. The Canadian tarnish the game. The Canadian organization needs to be over hauled and give back the medals to the 2nd, 3rd,4th place winners from prior tournaments. Canada needs to man up.
@@hap1n355 I need proof before any medals get returned.
I see canada hired Bill
Wow, seems like there needs to be a thorough investigation needs to be done asap. Stories and blame game doesn’t add up. Canada, as an America in disappointed - you are better than that and always had the talent and grit. This isn’t strategic coaching, this is clearly disrespect to your opponent, the game and your country. Earn your W’s now and all involved should be fired including higher ups in federation. 👎👎👎
The Qatar 2022 Game, Canada Morocco.
It seemed a little bit bizarre that a National Team with I thought is somewhat an unknown Coach, that they knew the game during the match enough but didn't come with a result not against Morocco nor Croatia nor Belgium.
So, if I add the FACTOR that they spied on their opponents, then it makes more sense.
But, lets not say too much and wait for the Canadian Media to lead the way.
I'm not exactly sure about what you're trying to say. You may want to look at your reaction and do some editing.
If youre not cheating youre not trying....When South Americans do it, I believe you call it 'la pasion'.
And when Africans do it it’s considered racist to stop them.
When it comes to that, a lot of it tends to happen on the field itself and not outside before matches
@@BriiizzziiiCheating or let’s call it behaving dishonourably, does it matter if it’s off or on the field? When Argentina came out 10 minutes late vs Canada, everyone at futbol americas said that it wouldn’t have mattered anyway etc…For Herc to say it brings into question Canadas run at qualifying for Qatar is ridiculous.
@@drewz1111 it 100% matters. Cheating on the field can be noticed and the team cheating can be punished accordingly and the other team has a chance to counter the cheating as well. On the other hand, cheating outside the field has a lower chance of being seen which automatically means that the other team can get away with it much easier. This type of cheating also gives the other team a lower chance at being able to counter it. In this case, Canada was gaining information about the other teams that goes beyond studying tapes which whether or not you think is cheating, it’s at the very, very, very least un sportsmanship of the highest degree and is frankly embarrassing and disappointing.
So….one could assume Canada has been spied on as well!
They wouldn't be talking the risk of filming this whole time if they weren't getting something worth the risk.
@@lazydazey9282 What possible gain was there to be had for a top ten team spying on the 28th ranked team?
VICTOR MONTAGLIANI and NICK BONTIS!!!
Gonna love the mestizo tears when Columbia gets sent home after losing to Canada. Lmaoooo. Can’t even advance when you are spotted six points.
Colombia. British Columbia. There. You've learned something.
Just do a Trump and say it’s fake news
"a Canadian soccer player came up to me, big guy, strong guy, with tears in his eyes, he said Sir, how do you do it? How do you get away with all the cheating and the lies without getting punished Sir? How do you do it?" DJT 😂😂😂
lol 😂
I am so Canadone.
Wow, some bullying shade on Tyler there, guys? What are you trying to avoid coming out?