Should Illegal immigrants Be Able to Own Guns?
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In this video, we discuss the elephant that's been in the room. Should illegal immigrants be afforded 2nd Amendment rights?
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They should be deported is what they should be allowed to do. Imprisoned if found again after deportation
What the harm in coming in illegally?
@@petyrbaelish1216 What's the harm in learning correct grammar? We'll start with that for the first reason.
@@cici7904 I'm not fixing fixing it.
So you’re saying gun control works and you support regulating firearms? 🤔
@@Pershath08 and just like that, everyone supported gun control. Insert Forest Gump meme.
I came here legally in 2016 and have worked my ass off. Proud of everything I've achieved in this great country and I truly believe in the American dream because I experienced it first hand through hard work but I do not believe illegals should be given the same rights as me. It took me years to be able to come to the US. I worked my ass off to get here and it's disgusting that they're being allowed to claim asylum, take people jobs, money, etc.
welcome my brother
@@watup110875 Thanks man
How are we providing "asylum" for anyone when we allow just anyone to cross the border? If your persecutor can cross the border right behind you then we're not offering asylum.
You think because you came legally you're not an asylum case? This country let you in, appreciate it and let others do the same. Wouldn't you take the chance to come here if the only way was through asylum? don't hate the people, hate the laws and the idiot politicians.
Welcome to America!
Glad you could experience the prosperity of the Trump era.
"Why do any exist in the US?" is the only question that matters.
Dude with dementia rigged an election.
Yessir!
Capitalism. The same capitalism you love so much.
@@SWOgottaGO not all of us are capitalists
@@earlturner6023 You should.
How would the Government run a background check? So background checks are optional? 🤣🤣
They acquire the firearms illegally
This could be a route to getting rid of the NFA 🤔
The courts have upheld that felons have a fourth amendment right to not have their background checked. I wish I were joking.
@@Serahpinwhat? So felons from other countries are treated better than born in America Americans??
They should be...
Not only NO, but HELL NO, they have already demonstrated that they do not intend to obey the laws of this country by coming here illegally!
What if they came in legally and just didn't renew there green card?
just stop following the law yourself
@@petyrbaelish1216 then they need to renew their green card.
@@2stroke438 I've noticed all the anti government people really love the government when it's making undocumented immigrants jump threw hoops.
Will you as the laws continue to be made in ways that persecute straight white gun owning Christians?
No invading populace should be armed by the invadees
"They will arm their enemy or disarm themselves"
Tell me who "they" are lol
@@ford6.027 Uh... the people of a nation lol.
Deport immediately, do not pass go, do not collect $200
HELL NO. 0 rights for people in the country illegally. Even property rights.
shouldnt even get "to fkin BE here""" rights.
*especially property rights
Should I be able to turn an illegal into a slave since they don't have rights?
Are rights given to you by god or by government?
@@jerrythekazzyy by government
Sure, in their country of origin
I agree that being here illegally should be a crime, but just having a gun for self-defense shouldn't be the illegal part. But always enjoy hearing your take on things no matter what you say.
If I went to their country could I do the same? HELL NO!
Other countries aren’t the land of the free
No. They should not be here at all. They certainly should not be here with guns.
tyranny. How do they define it?
Females not covering their heads?
You being allowed to attend church whenever you wish?
TwoA is more than ownership.
Then do something about it y’all won’t do none about it on a migrant who will commit a crime but will go on a normal migrant family trying to become Americans
@@soto9679wanna bet money on that?
@@beelzeboo I don’t do bets on goofys 😂
@@soto9679u sound scared
Sure.
In their own countries.
H3ll no. Mfs won't even let me keep my 80%s.
If you give them up its you're fault. When they come to take everyone elses. Do not comply
You’re upset about gun regulation, so naturally you support continued government regulation?
Google "crab mentality". 🦀
I don't think a selfish centered argument is a great way to argue against this but ok
If you're not allowed 80%, then how is it possible to own 100%?
everyone in the world who's not currently incarcerated should be allowed to possess a gun, but they shouldnt be here in the first place.
Absolutely correct.
Exactly, the Bill of Rights are God given rights for all humans.
100% agree
So you think a guy who has used a firearm in the commission of a felony but has been let out recently, should be allowed to go purchase a firearm? Please tell me how it makes sense to allow convicted felons and dangerous people to own guns.
Yes@@CZcamsLovesCowards
12 years later and HERE WE ARE! The ACTUAL Zombie Apocalypse.
Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on us!
Worse than zombies tbh
@@haramsaddam238A lot smarter and more ruthless.
its why i hated those films.. senseless childish tall tale nonsense that shrowds elements of reality and truth within it, effectively desensitizing and leading the "subjects" observing it unable to differentiate between *their fiction, and Gods reality. As it was crucially designed to do. This is 5G Wore-Fair folks.
@@tireballastserviceofflorid7771 idk about "a lot". Most of them bring fent. Just smart enough to follow orders. They remind me of......anyway. They'll be given badges soon and will be enforcing what our sherrifs won't.
Yes. Everyone in this country should be allowed to have their human rights. If they cannot be trusted to have these rights they shouldn't be allowed in.
Trick question... They shouldn't even be here!
Every one has the right to self preserve.
it is insane that we are at this point. Nothing that i can say that many of you are not already thinking. ..they are actively engaged in a plight against this country.
Well considering they aren't here as citizens, why would I want to arm our enemies?
Or why would they. Worth pondering. I wouldn't consider them all "enemies" but, I'm sure there are some in the mix.
@@stann6868 I dont know about you but I'm not willing to take that gamble.
@@2stroke438 I don’t know about you, but I think any regulatory body who thinks they get to decided who does and doesn’t get to own a gun is a supporter of gun regulation.
@@Pershath08 so if someone points a gun at you, and you say put it down..... you support gun control. See how smart you sound?
@@bobbyberry5559 that is a false equivalence. If someone points a gun at me they are directly threatening my life. The idea of preventing a large group of people you don’t like from having a fundamental god-given human right, because of what they MIGHT DO is wrong. The left loves that minority report shit, and I guess many people here do too.
Absolutely not!!!! They shouldn't be here at all! WTF kind of question is that?
so break the law, and then i should expect you to follow them. no never absolutely not if you are here ILLEAGALY no guns
Coming in illegally is a victimless crime.
tyranny. How do they define it?
Females not covering their heads?
You being allowed to attend church whenever you wish?
TwoA is more than ownership.
@@petyrbaelish1216 looks like 48 people don't give a flying fk
@@bobbyberry5559 2 million a your don't give a flying fk either.
HELL NOOOOOOO. They won’t be buying any from my shop. Don’t care what courts say or what paperwork they have.
I am surprised by how many “pro 2A” guys are cool with gun regulation as long as they get to side with the regulators.
@@Pershath08 tyranny. How do they define it?
Females not covering their heads?
You being allowed to attend church whenever you wish?
TwoA is more than ownership. Don't be a simpletonio
@@bobbyberry5559 I am concerned with fighting gun regulation. If you don’t like how people are treated, arming them is a good way to ensure they are never forced into supplication.
If ICE is going to Deport someone, the Last thing you would want to see is an Armed Illegal Alien.
How would you know?
NO!!!!!!
NO! 🇺🇸
They should have no rights above actual citizens.
The right of the "people" to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed"
But has it been infringed in ways we don't agree with? If all guns laws were repealed then I would agree. But the fact is that the govt has restricted our rights in every way they can and continue to try to implement new restrictions on us everyday. So no as it currently stands illegals should not possess firearms
In the view of the founding fathers, yes these rights are extended as human rights or god-given rights. However, until the 2nd Amendment is applied to regular American citizens first, then I don't think the illegals deserve the right at all. The government needs to apply the Second Amendment the way it was meant to and get rid of all of these unconstitutional gun laws before I agree with giving the Second Amendment right to illegal immigrants.
They are not “the people”, so even though it is an unalienable right, it does not apply to non citizen invaders.
@@ScotchIrishHoundsman otro que no entiende lo que es una constitucion ni los derechos. O que piensa que los inmigrantes no son humanos
@@ScotchIrishHoundsman Agreed 👍
Courts have long held the bill of rights, or portions of it, apply to illegals. Think Miranda, search and seizure, etc. I believe this will be overturned.
If they are going to use Bruen to justify this, then the NFA, GCA, and ATF shouldn’t exist under the 14A, equal protection under the law.
They shouldn’t be allowed to own anything.
Why?
Or be allowed to work, drive, ext.
So slavery?
@@firefly9838 who says they have to stay here?
@@petyrbaelish1216 They are not citizens , they get that when they become a legal citizen , like every country.. dmbass
Doesn't possession of a firearm while in the commission of some misdemeanors bump them up to felonies and lesser felonies up to more serious ones? Since they're by definition, committing a crime just by being here, I'd say absolutely not and if caught with a firearm, they should be immediately deported, no appeals, no exigent circumstances, no hearing, put them on the first plane, train or automobile outta here.
Leftists in power don't care about the law.
Precisely. Armed criminals
Well according to the law you must first be CONVICTED of a felony BEFORE you lose rights. So do we want to give the government power to take gun rights away from people who have yet to be convicted? Whats that gonna look like down the road? Give em an inch they take a mile. Thats a head scratcher.
@@rillo806 well they won’t be convicted of anything
@@colepriceguitar1153 lol true.
It's pretty clear on the 4473!
It's even clearer in the Constitution. People, not citizens, are specified. They're people. Citizens are specifically called out in the Constitution when citizenship is taken into account. Maybe read the constitution.
4473 are unconstitutional as is so...
The 4473 is unconstitutional anyways.
Using gun control to argue for gun control while claiming to be pro-2A. That's a bold move, Cotton.
No!
YES!
If people are willing to give it all up and break American laws to become an American, they deserve to be here. Its pretty American to stick it to the government.
Also, as @fuddbusters discussed recently, you don’t want the govt restricting rights for misdemeanors.
Crazy how many of y’all commented on this before the video was even up long enough to watch the whole thing lol.
That's the whole point of the comments section.
Are you new?
Absolutely not their not supposed to be here so they have absolutely no rights at all
The right to keep and bear arms is a right granted by god, not the government.
@@jerrythekazzyy the right to be in the United States is a right governed by the Government, representatives of the American people.
These illegally migrating people are in direct conflict with the American people and the American Government.
@@jerrythekazzyyThey have no right to self defense, self preservation, while in commission of a crime.
They are committing a crime continuously by their very presence.
So NO.
@@mikefarmer4748 This is the same argument that’s been made by despots and empires for thousands of years. The British held the same sentiment towards the rebels in the colonies during the revolution. You’re either for the 2nd amendment as it’s written or you’re not. I guess you’re not.
Be prepared for this argument because the antigun side is going to use it against the 2a.
Amen, Brother. Happy Easter.
Hell no
The fundamental question is does the bill of rights apply to people who come here illegally? If not can we imprison them without charging them, deprive them of property and essentially treat them as a lesser human? I think a reasonable person would say that they do have rights. If they have any rights then they should have all of them. 2nd Amendment isn’t a second class right.
The Constitution protects ANYONE who lands "dry feet" onto US soil. The Judge must be laughing her ass off -- she's taken the S.Ct. decision and spun it on its head.
Let me say I hate going to the gun shop! It's because I feel 2A is inalienable, and the 4473 is a violation of my Constitutional rights! Especially when my NICS check goes into delay and I have to wait till the following day to pick up my new purchase. I don't understand why sometimes, NICS gets approved in 5-10 mins, where other times it goes into delay and I have to wait till the following day for the approval.
There's a difference between purchase and possession. From what I understand this ruling would make it legal for an immigrant to possess a firearm, it does not mean that they can purchase one from an FFL.
Basically this ruling is in holding with the precedent that the Bill of Rights applies to everyone. Weather or not they are a legal immigrant in the US. It's also funny because citizenship wasn't even clearly established until the 13th amendment.
“Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.
back it up....... who tf said they have any right to be where they are? .......
exactly
They should be able to receive a one way ticket home.
Absolutely not there in the midst of a crime and have a court date for the crime.
The way I see it, if you're here illegally No, but if you're hear legally Yes.
This should have been a short. "No."
No.
The way I understand the ruling is it only applies to possession of a firearm. Illegals cannot be charged for possession of a firearm. It doesn’t mean they can acquire firearms in the U.S., if for example they bought the firearm with them that would be ok. Being here illegally is also a crime and that should be the issue they face in court, as well as any potential crimes they commit.
You are a good man, Eric, and this is a very difficult topic. God bless you for tackling such difficult topics.
Hell NO
Hell, no, how do you know if they’re not convicted felons or career criminals? How can they fill out the paperwork without a ID and Social Security number?
Illegals have driver’s license in some states and also have an ITIN taxpayer ID, plus you don’t need a social security number to fill out a 4473
Case was heard on possession not purchase.
Either it's an inalienable right from the creator or its not. Before you decide. Realize if you would like gov to be the regulator. Your rights will be the next to be regulated to nothing.
@@matthewbeaver5026 they already possessed them . all criminals do. It’s a invasion of our country
The way I see it is the constitution recognizes the inherent right of all people to keep and bare arms. The bill of rights however protects citizens from government infringement on those rights, it does not protect non-citizens from infringement of those rights.
Eric, My I suggest a formal class on statistics. Understanding possibilities and probabilities will go a long way in seeing how crime and criminals are attracted to cities.
As Dillinger clearly explained, "It's where the money is".
EVERY human being has the right to self defense, including FULL AUTO.
No they don't.
If you are committing a crime, you have no right to self defense.
@@mikefarmer4748 that only applies to violent crimes, coming in illegally is not a violent crime, it's just walking threw the desert.
@@petyrbaelish1216 invading a country is just "walking through a desert" then
@@petyrbaelish1216the smooth brain take
@@2stroke438 invading means you want to take land or resources. Non of the undocumented immigrants are here to take land in the name of some other body.
Hell no!!!
I'm glad you made the video it had to be said and you hit on a few of my points I tried to make with two others people Thanks
Not just NO, but HELL NO
"We need universal background checks on firearms purchases!"
Also
"Illegal immigrants should have guns too... even though they don't have documents and we can't run background checks on them..."
If you're allowed to buy guns and cannot do a background check on them, it's still allowed to buy guns wouldn't it be fair to stop background checks for everybody?
No need , they bring their own
Going to be a 2A extremist here and say: The Constitution does not mention citizens or citizenship of one country or another.
It is a right given to us by our creator. The Constitution puts limits on the government, not the people.
All men are created equal. Not just American citizens. All men have certain unailienable rights. Firearm ownership is among these.
Hell yes. Every gun law is an infringement.
So you're okay with a bunch of criminals who weren't born here having guns? It's your attitude that they should get them is exactly what will get yours taken away. Things are going to get really bad soon and it will take the government saying "I'm here to help" to fix it. If you think for one minute the constitution is strong enough to protect you then you need to think again
So is breaking and entering according to you.
Hell NO!!!! 😠 😡 👿
I’m confused,citizens are having their constitutional rights being violated but it’s ok to be a none citizen and have constitutional rights,what is going on?
Hell no! They have no rights. The constitutional rights are for citizens.
No
NO !!!
Absolutely NOT!!!
I knew they'd eventually find a way to turn this around on us. I wouldn't be surprised if people eventually begin asking for stronger gun laws because of the havoc caused by the criminals who are here illegally. Keep your 👀 and 👂🏻 on...
How about, No.
No, if they entered illegally they have already broken federal laws. If they have been deported, they have been found guilty of a felony and should be treated as such.
Gun ownership is a human right that applies to all people the world over. It existed long before the constitution. The 2A simply says the government shall not infringe it. Other countries violating their own citizens rights does not mean the right does not exist in other countries. So if a foreigner comes here, even illegally, they didn't gain anything new. The constitution simply says their right shall not be infringed.
Couldn't have said it better myself, everything you said is spot on. God Bless.
Absolutely not. And they shouldn't be rewarded for being here illegally
Its not a reward its a human right
@@joshuacisneros3675an inalienable right
NO. Not even worth discussing.
I guess you don't agree with the constitution
Conversation handled very well my friend.
A big fat NO!!!!
Illegal Immigrant has the word "illegal" in it. That means law breaker. US Citizens who are law breakers are prohibited from purchasing or carrying firearms.
Exactly
So people that drive too fast shouldn't be allowed to own guns?
@@petyrbaelish1216 he means criminals of felony crimes. Illegal migrants by law must be deported, and if they are found to have re-entered they are charged as a felons.
Therefore all illegal migrants within the USA are either criminals who are to be deported, or felons who are also to be deported, neither of which are capable of legally purchasing a firearm.
@@tarzanstrickland no they don't have to be deported unless they do something that warrants deportation.
@@petyrbaelish1216 that is not true. Anybody found to be illegally residing through unlawful entry, overstaying a nonimmigrant visa or various criminal grounds is subject to deportation. Aka all illegal migrants.
Additionally, it is unlawful for a non-resident to purchase and carry a firearm, so if that is also a factor they are in criminal possession of a weapon that was illegally purchased.
I see a huge can of whoopass opening if this happens
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
NO!
Ok, before I watch this… it matters not what we think SHOULD be. We are the side with principles and so we must be consistent and base this answer on what the 2nd amendment says. Rights from “the Creator” (God) are not dependent upon fake lines on a map that God did not make. If we don’t like that, we must change the constitution.
Exactly. Shall not be infringed is fairly simple.
Finally someone here in the comments with some sense.
I don't like the idea. Though at the same time am self aware enough to realize I've argued for inalienable creator given rights for to long. Got to stay consistent with the principle.
That's not to say that something shouldn't be done about their being here in the first place. Otherwise they will soon also be handed the right to vote. I think that was the intention of this ruling.
@@matthewbeaver5026 100% that’s exactly what I meant. The rights enshrined in the constitution are the rights of all mankind, not just American citizens. At the time the constitution was ratified the phrase “citizens of the United States” had never been uttered before, and would not be until the 14th amendment was passed in the 1860s.
You’re out of your goddamn mind if you think this judge would grant you the same leniency if you, a US citizen, were caught in IL with non-state compliant firearm
@@mikesdoneitagain4306 another one of the reasons I have absolutely zero interest in going to Illinois.
In my opinion the bill of rights are god given rights for all people.
To directly answer the question. NO.
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My understanding is that the bill of rights enumerates the rights that all peopl are endowed by their creator. If the person is in the nation illegally then they should be deported. If that comment a crime then that should be treated as a criminal. All people have a right to protect themselves. If they are criminals then they need to be held responsible for their criminal actions.
Nothing but love for you Eric!! Thank you Brother!
I don’t even understand why we even need to have this conversation, it is just scary. 😔
The judge was absolutely right. The People includes everyone. You can believe that they deserve 2nd amendment rights AND they should be deported. This ruling is a win for us.
That’s the trap. If people argue against it you’re arguing that you agree there should be limitations placed on private firearms ownership by government. Like you said. This ruling is a win. People just don’t see the big picture.
@@jerrythekazzyyPeople just jump to the “keep the bad guys from having guns” argument, but they fail to realize that most gun laws and restrictions are based on this premise of keeping the guns out of the hands of bad guys. Don’t advocate for the very thing that will be used against you as the government finds ever increasing ways to turn you into a “bad guy.”
Well everyone has a right to self defence, do you forfeit that right by breaking the law?
If so which laws?
I that case, i am glad there is caution about stripping someone of their right to a firearm.
As a non US citizen who plans to visit the US (legally) i guess this is good if i want to carry.
Can't believe this is even a question! Crazy times we live in.
No, You are right on point. Treason has been occurring on a massive scale. Accountability is coming. Stay Safe.
I'm pretty sure Constitutional rights aren't meant to apply to the entire world population. When the Constitution mentions "the People", such as in "the right of the People to keep and bear arms...", they're definitely referring only to American citizens. That's why a person in Russia can't appeal to the 2nd Amendment when a Russian court accuses them of violating Russian firearms laws, etc. I mean... C'mon, it's not that complicated!😀
Correct. It doesn't actually even say The People or We The People. It says We The People of The United States.
@@mikefarmer4748 at the time of the founding none of them were natural born. There was no regulation on buying guns. In some cases they handed immigrants firearms, no questions asked.
@@Pershath08 , That's a rather obtuse statement. Of course many of the founders were natural-born! George Washington himself had been born in Virginia in 1732. Now, if you're saying it somehow doesn't count because it was officially British colonial soil... Well, yeah, of course, unless you were a flippin baby born on or after July 4th, 1776! And the Constitution shouldn't necessarily be construed to be from the time of the founding, at least not the Revolutionary War period. Regarding the 2nd Amendment in particular: it wasn't drafted until 1791.
There's also references about "being necessary to the security of a free State"
The state they are referring is the state of our people, our country.
@@Pershath08that's totally wrong, they were born here, the people lived here long before there was a USA.
And if a British soldier lost his weapon I'm pretty sure the people here wouldn't sell him another one.
Not for 18 years after citizenship. Same for voting.
I doubt any gun controller/anti-gunner has actually looked at a 4473
That judge needs to be disbarred and stripped of an pension or any other benifits.
No. One should never let the invaders arm themselves