You're All Gun Dealers Now According to the ATF!
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In this video, we discuss the new ATF rule that redefines what it means to "be in the business" of dealing firearms and how it will affect you when you want to sell your guns on the private market. Here's the whole article from Ammoland: www.ammoland.com/2024/04/atf-...
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There needs to be a MASSIVE national wide class action lawsuit to sue the ATF in non existence. Their entire organization is unconstitutional.
I've spoken to numerous lawyers in Texas and none of them want to touch it whatsoever!
Bet
I don't care. I'll continue to buy and sell firearms just as I did before. If the ATF wants me, they can come get me.
@@Oldspartan65brother in christ.
Agreed, to be ignored.
@@boffa-deez good. Been a while since I was able to have some fun. 🙂
That's how we got here
What about your dog though?
Taking this logic anyone selling their own car would need a dealer's license.
🤣, exactly.
And that is how they will get everyone switched to electric.
some states ( commyrado) if you sell more than 4 vehicles you need a dealer license.
They don’t operate by using logic. Feelings rule their lives
@@tman8939 it's a lot of states.
It's a tax thing. People flip cars for profit. Profit is income.... taxes...
the ATF arent even following the basic law of innocent until proven guilty
They never have!
The post office no longer needs to register vehicles. The IRS can seize assets based on their 'word'. The ATF is just the next in line. I'll wager that middle-managers at all these outfits give the Nazi salute behind closed doors.
They're cutting off the ability to sell before the nationwide registry happens.
Confiscation is not the first step. There are pre-steps to Confiscation.
is the sinaloa cartel going to enter into the nationwide registry?
@@InternetArbiterI’ll be doing the same that they would, not registering
No registry has been proposed. Please don't fearmonger.
@@archivistdoc5272They already are creating a registry, they just aren't admitting it. Speaking the truth isn't fear mongering.
@@archivistdoc5272maybe not nationwide. Michigan and other states already require you to register pistols.
DEFUND THE ATF
Good luck
*Disband
No, make it the nation's preeminent convenience store chain. More prevalent than Starbucks. That is its destiny. Any make us that episode of Sliders where everyone must carry.
Bad idea, unless the NFA goes away first. Otherwise another agency will take over....ie. the FBI. None of us want that. They have a much.....much....much larger budget with many.....way more, agents. The ATF is very small, with a budget according.
Abolish
They are in contempt of supreme court rulings to the contrary.
Consequences for Unconstitutional behaviour!
@@Joncenalol235 the only consequence for unconstitutional behavior is $$$. That's why they do it.
Unfortunately that is the point. Make/change/re-interpret laws, to turn citizens into criminals, and wait for 2a lawyers and the courts to spank them. But in the mean time, they act like tyrants.
Oh yea, let's wait for the government to take themselves to there own court... lol come on man
100%
Can't comply yourself out of tyranny.
Truth!
as a wise man once said "violence is the language of the unheard"
They don’t have the right to do this!
The former United States was forfeited decades ago.
they don't care, they know either the government will run cover for them, or the ATF will investigate itself and find no wrongdoing. the system is rotten to its core and they want you to keep believing there is a shred of legitimacy behind it.
Ha. Right...
They have powers not rights.
and thus the rule shall not be followed
We all ARE FFL Dealers !!!??? Ordering time...Are we Also Class 3 ers too???
So I can ship a gun to my house??
Right
Get your SOT first. 👍
@@ericgill6992In some states YOU can ship a long gun through UPS interstate only. Not to or out of state.
Great! Free FFLs for everyone! Does this mean I can get my stuff shipped directly to my house now?
That was going to be my comment, but you beat me to it!😂
You get an FFL and You get an FFL Everyone gets an FFL! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think people are missing the point that this is another step at a full blown registry and confiscation. This isn't a joke
Now you're talking!
@@ericsfishingadventures4433 the registry already exists if you bought your guns legally
It’s your duty as a US citizen to ignore unjust laws and/or “rules”.
The ATF has now made it easier for everyone to get machine guns now......
Great! Now make it easier to afford all the extra ammo from daily mag dumps. lol
Repeal the NFA and there ya go.
The ATF has a fuel source, and that is the NFA and GCA
SOT 🤔Hmm
SOT 🤔Hmm
I was at a gun show in Phoenix yesterday. There were a whole lot of people thinning their collections before it becomes illegal. However although they said they wanted to get rid of them, the prices didn't reflect that. Seems like they still figured everyone's a millionaire. As far as this crap is concerned. Needs to be challenged in the courts at every level in every way possible.
we need the ATF AND NFA to go away.
the DEA too
If you know an ATF agent in your neighborhood, then it’s your responsibility as an American to handle it.
And GCA
Most of this should be proven unconstitutional (if only for vagueness) in court...but the Process is the Punishment.
What if we gift a gun but charge for the mags what the cost of the gun would be? I didn't sell a firearm I sold mags!
Slippery Sloap... Now Ft. Ticonderoga #2 Yellow Pencils would be the ticket. Buy this nice pencil with eraser! Get our Free Gift as our way saying thanks. I like the way you think.
Sell a map, to a gun in the truck bed.
I can tell you that for sure won't fly. The feds look at the substance of the transaction, not the formalities. On the other hand, if you bought a revolver for $700, and added nice handmade grips, you could probably charge a reasonable price for the extra grips - say $100 for instance.
I like this channel, but I will say there are other channels with more legally precise descriptions of the new reg, and you should look at those if you plan to make a sale. I think the new reg is mostly a lot of fuss but not a ton of actual change. The law was confusing before, and it continues to be confusing afterward. It makes the gun control crowd feel good though, and it is an election year.
@@twentyfifthdui4717 you got the first part right. This won't fly.
Ok so new rule means don’t sell your firearms just stack guns, got it.
So we all have to either keep every gun we buy forever or sell it all to an ever diminishing list of FFLs (that probably don't want anymore stuff they can't sell) for a RIDICULOUS loss.
Thanks ATF, very cool. Enjoy the lawsuit printer.
You can’t even sell it to an FFL or have him sell it for you for a commission. If you could make a profit, You have to have an FFL to sell or trade off your collection. So I guess this will also outlaw all those “gun buy back programs” the leftist love so much. No, I expect only those poor slobs that sell their gun to the buyers standing outside the buy back will be targeted. This can not stand. It’s time to pull out your wallet and donate to the 2nd Amendment Foundation.
rotfl, the lawsuit printer, I love it!!!
It's always good to know where the line is drawn between personal use and being considered a 'dealer'.
Rules, Rules, Rules, Rules.........These are the dumbest rules I have ever heard, even from the ATF. All they are doing is strengthening our resolve.
So many people are selling these days because the economy is shit and they need the extra cash just to live.
😂 Buy back programs would be illegal now. You would be a non licensed dealer selling a firearm to a non licensed dealer with no 4473
Pretty soon, the ATF will find a person guilty of "promoting" firearms sales by clicking the Like button on any video involving firearms.
If now im Considered a "gun dealer" now that means im an SOT and can transfer and own machine guns. Thanks ATF!
If we're all gun dealers now, then that must mean I can go to Davidson's and get the wholesale pricing.
The guy they murdered was 100% in need of an FFL, he was a dealer 100% Still not an excuse to murder the guy.
"consolidation must end in the destruction of our liberties." ~ P. Henry
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
-Karl Marx
The ATF doesn't have the power to make law, so everyone should behave as such.
In Florida there's no requirement for a paper trail person to person. If you have no reason to believe the person is a felon, it's ok to sell it to them. But they must be a Florida resident.
There are a lot of flea markets that have a lot of private buy/sell/trade tables throughout the state.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out in Florida.
Anyone think that it's ironic that a national gun registry is Illegal? I guess forcing everyone, literally everyone to apply for a FFL would be a good way for the ATF to circumvent that.
Also, I sold a cleaning kit and threw the firearm in for free. You can't regulate free.
That’s it ;)
I think ATF needs to be flooded with applications along with your state and local governments 130,000,000 FFL dealers.
I love how blatantly it’s like “you’re guilty until you prove your innocence, prove it”
Any rule by ATF that infringes on 2a rights is unlawful and their authority needs to be stripped.
Don’t give up the good fight, ever! You’re on the right side of history here 🇺🇸
This is why we cannot have cowards and political opportunists in the U.S. Senate.
Thank John Cornyn for this. Texas has a RINO problem.
Tx has John and Tony. Both need to go.
Despicable ATF!
Like I said a few years ago, soon the ATF will reclassify the ore still in the ground as machine gun parts.
Creating criminals by making it criminal....Criminals!!!
"Control" is the key word
Wait so i can now get them shipped to my house and manufacture and make full auto?
I'll take ten
I love that you’re still making the videos. Love you as always ❤
By this logic any law enforcement agency that now wants to sell their outdated firearms must now obtain a firearms dealer license
You think you had the right to property?
**Laughs in government**
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
-Karl Marx
Think it’s beyond time ladies and gentlemen. No more
Delete all tyrants, Sic Semper Tyrannis.
So...will this "rule" now prohibit someone from trading guns to an FFL in order to get something different?
I had the same question. Also... We have 2 gun stores in town that sell guns on consignment. Who's the "dealer" in that case? Is it me? Or is it the FFL that's selling it for me?
Wow! What a good use for 85,000 IRS agents with guns.
We have guns too
Well that Malinowski guy was gunned down and there was no uprising or boogaloo, so I don't think they care, they could repeat that every day and take out anyone they don't like and no one will do anything about it. They've battered us down too much economically to be able to quit our jobs and fight.
That’s what they are afraid of!
My uncle wears the same glasses. He's 68 and just got out of federal prison for cocaine trafficking.
Looks like the "gun club hang around" guy.
Sounds like an interesting fellow.
ATF needs to by tryed for treason for brakeing the bill of rights
1:48 much respect to iv8888. Total opposite of click baiters
What they neglect to mention in the article is that the wording of the ATF's new legislation uses the word "intent" a lot in many key phrases, such that this new rule operates on the logic that anyone who owns a gun is automatically presumed to be intending to sell that gun, making everyone who owns a gun a gun dealer.
Kind of changed? This is outrageous!
I lost all the paperwork in a boating accident!
Well, I don't listen to whatever the AFT tells me anyway
These three glock mags? $500. I’ll give them to you in this box that says glock on it, the mags come with all the factory included accessories.
Right? It should be Bistro of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Ha! Jokes on you ATF. I identify as an illegal immigrant and therefore have more rights than a citizen. Oh by the way where’s money.
It's all a ploy for registration
I remember last time we had problems with the federal government telling us what we could do with property 🤔 i belive we faught a war over it
Defund the corrupt ATF! Sick of this bullshit
Ive been democrat most my life, but i have been a 2a advocate all my life. Ever since this anti gun BS started i am bo longer a democrat. Ill trade abortion rights for gun rights any day.
Defund the ATF and the IRS
Correct me if im wrong but 2 private people conducting commerce is one of those rights that cannot be infringed apon...
Wait, if were all gun dealers now. Does that mean I can have guns shipped to my door from now on? Does that mean i get to buy automatic firearms now?
I'm scared and surprised that they're not going after non gun owners 🤦
That’s what happens when you have a false Trinity, trying to set, enforce, and judge your God given laws.
I think we're looking at this the wrong way, it sounds like now we can all get our ffl and get the guns we want shipped straight to our house
can we sue the atf it it takes an unreasonable amount of time for the ffl to go thru?
Sending love bro!
You can't get good dollars from an FFL anyway. $1000 gun may bring $250 at an FFL.
Private sales are the only way to get atleast $600 or more.
We’re LAW abiding citizens not RULE abiding citizens.
Thanks for all you do. We need guitar videos from you again.
That's great now everyone can sell beltfed machine guns!
I think it's smart for you to review and comment once the information is out there. Offering your thoughts and perspective after all the "emotional reactions" have been published gives your audience a fresh perspective and a chance to review the news/ facts after the initial batch of sensationalist CZcamsrs have a chance to speak out of their ass because the information is too new to even know what's there. This is a more valuable way to present the information. Thank you!
Before last Christmas I sold six of my guns to fund the purchase of a new one. I lost money on each of those six sales compared to what I originally bought them for. But as far as I can tell if I did the same thing today I would be a felon.
I know a lot of C&R collectors have expressed that they are not worried because of a clause at the end in "the final rule" that says it exempts something-something private collections. It does not sound to me like the ATF is really going to take that exemption seriously.
J6 was just a "No Knock" raid on the Feds, lol.
A “person” is any legal entity that can own property. That includes Trusts and corporations. I am not a person, I am a man, and this is PROPERTY. I can buy or sell my PROPERTY as I please.
Well that's the case no paperwork needed then
I haven't talked face to face with anyone who knows about this.
Well obviously the govt will do what they want and when it’s time to act on it they will also do that and say that we have the decision to not wear body cams meaning they’ll be able to operate outside any spectrum of law and get away with it…
Does this mean that every time you show us a cool gun that just came out or even Guns from shot show. Then this makes you a dealer. What bullshit!!!!!!!
It sounds like the ATF is promoting 3-D printed guns. I wonder if they have an FFL?
This has to do with legal commerce, thus the fta has no say.
well if that's the case then we can order directly from the company's and not deal with nics check doing stores!!!! their bullshit cuts both ways!!!
It was published in the register the 19th of April and will go into effect May 20th.
How would they know if you privately sold a gun to someone 5 years ago or yesterday
"Regulatory agencies" are not otherized to write laws, and essentially, that's what the three letters have been doing!!
Tracking and persecuting law abiding g citizens for what they DEEM is within their oversight to call a "broken law"!!!
"Shall Not Be Infringed" is pretty absolute!! (And taxation is theft!!)
It's about big data. Let's categorize everyone. Let's know who buys what and associates with whoever. In honesty it's about control.
Make the background check system available to the public.
Hell yeah brother! I have assembled AR's. I have mounted optics, and then sighted them in. Ergo i am an SOT7. Post Dealer Samples !!!!!! I guess they didn't think that through
Those silly boys and girls over at the alcohol, tobacco, firearms, arson, and explosives tax enforcement department. Maybe go after the alcohol, tobacco, arson, or explosives part of the job?
Guns sold on Gun Broker predominately are shipped and transferred through a 01-FFL. WHy do I need a 01-FFL????
Atf: does this.
Me: neat! I guess I'm a black market arms dealer now!
What, did you think that when the ATF makes an unconstitutional law that i would all the sudden stop being an American? LMAO.
bleeds red white and blue.
Who the hell going to follow that rule
I'm just goin to make my own, no laws limiting that.
they will be left on my porch and without serial#, And if someone takes it and leaves a couple $100s I might just have to build another one.
If I'm now a gun dealer I guess that means I can legally manufacture my own machine guns now
you still need to file the gun cause it's an nfa item. each and every one, 6 monthes to a year waiting.
I think, unless a dealer can ignore that
1:50 "Spring bed... Bed spring... Box spring... You know... The thing." 😅 Trying to say 'spring board'.
Well in that case they should issue all of us ffls so we can buy direct
The issue is bigger than you realize because even if you sell your gun to or through an ffl you are still subject to punishment under this rule…
ATF has no authority or jurisdiction legally. They can say whatever they want, just don’t try anything. I have a right to defend myself
I like the new spectacles