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In this Gun Gripe, we discuss range rules that in most cases are meme-worthy, going down in the annals of fudd history.
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I always took the "no steel cased ammo" as a round about way of saying "we collect all the brass and sell it and we don't want to have to pick your tula casings out of our sweet sweet roomba loot"
"roomba loot" 🤣
GIMME THA LOOT
A magnet ????
@@karlnash7105 well brass isn’t magnetic so it might pick up the steel cases.
@@polishpotatos9282 That's his point I think, the dumb range owners could just pick them out with a magnet but they're too lazy. Would probably take minimal time.
its crazy how anti gun, anti fun, and anti training a lot of range owners can be
its the insurance companies rules i bet.
It’s enough to make me want my own land tbh
@@ReformedSooner24 I’ve wanted my own land forever being able to shoot off my back porch is the goal tho
Because the lawyers have to much say.
@@Tap_rack5.56 it's been a dream of mine as well. I live in Rhode Island, only 5 or 6 private ranges all but one require a membership. State range is rimfire rifle, shotgun and pistol, no center fire rifle.
"Home owners association of guns" was the best description of a gun club I've ever heard. I went to one once never again.
That really says it best, and they are HOA's for guns. Barf
Depends on the club. Just joined one in the Carolinas that's fantastic. Great group of guys with no asinine rules. The only one thats a little silly is the no .50, but thats because we dont have the proper setup.
@@secktur8279 lets hope that proper set up comes soon then.
"No shooting faster than 1 shot/3 seconds" and "no steel cased ammo" are the ones I run into most frequently.
Facts lmao indoor will say no steel and then outdoor will say 3 seconds per shot. Best case is at a friends house where you can accurately mag dump
our local range freaks if you rapid fire, but will rent out full autos... smh
1 shot every 3 seconds? My 90 year old mother does better. Arbitrary rules cause rule breaking by the sheer stupidity of the rule.
Musket loaders can load in 3 seconds 😂
I'm impressed ! The typical rule for venues with such rules is 1 rd/ second .
One shot in three seconds at the Arkansas Game & Fish range in Mayflower, AR the last time I was there… 😂
"Only load one round at a time." I live right next to a range that is run by fudds. I drive 20mins out to the next closest range instead. The 2A community is changing from hunters to folks who want to train, so hopefully, ranges will follow.
We just moved to Georgia a year ago. I spent 2 years looking for the right property. Found it, 40 acres with a 500 yard range and a hillside as a backstop. NO MORE range fuds for me!
I used to have a range in my back yard when I lived in " Cumming" I could sit in my hot tub and shoot. ( probably shot more rounds naked than anyone I know). Then it became " Johns Creek" and gunfire was prohibited. Not even a damned grandfather clause!.. I sold & moved.
I just moved to Washington recently and I was looking for that holy grail shooting spot too. I asked the guys at the local gun shop and they acted like I was asking them for their secret fishing spot. They finally pinned some google maps for me, but their reason was they didn't want random people going out there and trashing the place. I get it. Every time I go out there I bring back at least one garbage bag full of crap just because I want to keep shooting there.
@dark passenger that's a big problem out here and the govt uses it as an excuse to close the area.
Soon georgia will outlaw that
Lucky bastard. I have a local shooting range 1 mile from me but its 25 yds max. If I'm shooting a pistol I have to tolerate some jerk next to me with a 7" AR with a muzzle brake on it the entire time. Way to small for any rifle besides like a 22lr but its what's nearby. I hope to one day be able to have land to shoot on.
My local gun range had a Barney Fife range master. There was a customer who was a poor, old guy could barely stand up straight due to his back. During a cease-fire he was standing behind the line, but the edge of his shoe was slightly over the edge of the 4 inch painted line. The dufus range master couldn't just ignore it, or gently remind the guy, he had to yell at him. Some guys shouldn't be given any authority. It goes to their head.
1st rule of Range Saftey Officer training:
Do Not Yell at people holding firearms unless you are wearing armored underwear!
On the range brass sweeping: I have noticed, they will _claim_ it's about safety, not wanting anyone to trip. But several of us observed that they were so eager to get the brass, especially where it was back from the line/could be grabbed by us, that *they frequently came close to tripping the finishing shooters holding a gun that had just been firing.*
Yea I have heard that, they always quickly sweep it down range cross the shooting line
That’s insane.
Sorry but I'm picking up my 10mm brass they can piss off lol
There is a range in Bergin NY that is fantastic. They are the best, machine gun rentals, amazing staff, best place ever. They are tearing it down and rebuilding it even better
I won't shoot anywhere where ROs are present or they don't let me shoot my reloads or pick up my fired brass or retrieve/dig out my fired lead bullets out of the backstop. I've been shooting for over 40 years and reloading and casting my own bullets for over 30 years. I'm also a highly experienced and seasoned factory certified armorer on many makes and models, a amateur gunsmith and builder. I forgot more than they will ever know about the subject...trust me!
"HOA of gun ranges." Such a great analogy. 👍🏼
Had a guy at a public outdoor range ask me for paperwork on my Hellion, because he thought it was an SBR. When I explained that it was a bullpup with a full length barrel, he still didn't believe me even after I took the gun apart and showed him where the barrel started and where it ended. That shit really got me to be honest
He was just trying to swing his small member around. Some dudes in the gun community love to flex on others in the absolute most baffling ways.
I would've told him "even if it was an SBR I wouldn't show you anything because I don't have to."
@@Acepilot235 I know that now, but since I've never gotten an NFA stamped item I didn't know any better at the time
NFA paperwork is considered tax documents. Only people who can ask for it is ATF and technically the IRS, anyone else can pound sand.
I"m waiting for that to happen with my Kel-Tec RDB.
This makes me appreciate my range. Never have I ever had any of these problems at my public range.
can confirm this interesting little fact. county/municipal ranges are more often than not a fantastic place to shoot. local law enforcement sure loves to keep their temple immaculate lol. the public gets a clean and well-serviced range while subsidizing the cost of running it. can't say I've seen a more obvious win-win
@@clv603 Communism! Ranges must be private!
I’m an instructor at a local indoor range. We allow drawing, reloads, transitions, rapid fire. You can do it all. Our RSO just wants to watch a couple reps first to make sure you’re doing it correctly and safely.
You "allow" transitions??? What the heck is that? Transitions??? Is that a change to another life form??
@@robertwatson818rifle to handgun/ handgun to rifle.
“ switching to your pistol is faster than reloading”- MW2
i refuse to go to public ranges where people are practicing draws. ive seen some seriously nonsensical stuff. never again.
@@TheDariusBlazei would die of cringe if i saw that on the range.
Where are you located?
I went to an indoor pistol range for the first time because it recently opened and heard good things about their variety of steel targets available (and because it's starting to get cold, so I figured it was a win-win). I'm an experienced shooter, and after warming up in a bay with a static target I decided to move to the vacant bay with a falling plate rack target (5 plate) and started shooting how I normally practice for speed. After my very first sequence of 5 shots at the target and before I could even began resetting the plates by pulling the rope to prop the targets back up and the range officer came RUNNING up on me YELLING about their no rapid fire rule. I have no poker face, and gave him the most wtf-are-you-talking-about look I've ever given to anyone. I pointed to the target and told him I scored hits on all 5 plates and tried to explain I am an experienced shooter and used to shoot competitively. He rattled off some BS that it's unsafe and makes other shooters uneasy and not allowed under any circumstance. I immediately packed up my shit and left, no intention of ever going back.
As a pretty inexperienced shooter, that would be pretty badass to see someone who's good at those things at a range
@@icehoof yeah really.
As a new shooter anytime someone rapid fires I tend to peak over to see the stance of the person that is if they’re accurate. Gotta take notes from more experienced shooters tbh
Too many people are so half assed with guns that I fully support the range rules.
@@deker0954
Those people usually don't follow them until they're kicked out, but yea, I feel you
I think the best one comes from my dad, he has a pump action Winchester 22 that he took to an outdoor range and was told that he couldn't use it because it might somehow go full auto. We still haven't figured that one out.
Is it for sale? : )
Winchester 62 or 62a? I love mine, never getting rid of it
@@Fixxate I would guess (though this is just a guess) that it is a 62. I am going by the fact that it was my grandmother's before it was dad's and he was born in the 40's where it looks like the change over happened but that is just a guess.
Maybe they thought it could be slam fired?
I have shot old Winchester 1890/1906 .22 pump actions that you can hold the trigger back and fire while just pumping the action. Old gallery guns will do that. Perhaps that’s the “full auto” reference?
I’ve been at a particular indoor range several times which has a “no rapid fire” rule. I am a new shooter and they know it. On more than a few occasions I have been practicing by myself or with only a couple people on the line, and the RO will tell me to just dump the mag, have at it. Those are the ranges you need to find!
I've taken a lot of first time shooters to a gun range, and collecting their first round as a souvenir for them. It's hilarious how many RSOs have tried to stop us from picking up brass. Half of RSOs were so embarrassed after being told they let us do whatever afterwards. The other half tried to inject their instruction or do some stupid pop quiz. I had one who had a complete meltdown when I explained picking up brass was allowed.
I’ve had the argument with range staff about picking up my own brass. It was my own handloads. I told them I would be picking up my brass weather they liked it or not because it is my property and I would not be back to their range. I’m so blessed that I have a range on my property now.
I may have added that your reloads may or may not be done to major power factor fo competition. Tell them now that they have been informed the cases may be more likely to rupture if reloaded again. They may be liable for any damage or injury if they or someone else reloads them. Member of my club who reloads won't pick up casings from action bays after a competition for this reason.
I mean it’s not like the can stop you. I would have told them the same thing
He’s probably wants the brass for personal use or turn in the brass for scrap for money.
Yea that one kills me, I was picking up my 38 super brass to reload and got in the same argument
So I reload 308 and the brass is Lapua and it was $75. for 100 and they expect you to just leave that on the ground I don`t think so
I remember the first time my dad took me to the local gun range to try out my Marlin/Glenfield model 60. After about 2 or 3 shots, I went for broke going 15 more as fast as I could. The older guys at the range simply smiled. Ah, the good old days.
The Broward County public range has plenty of fud rules. The silliest is no silhouette or human shaped targets. The funny part is there is a simple wall separating the Sheriff's range. It uses mostly silhouette targets.
Which range you referring to? My guess is Markem park? Never been there but heard from many people it’s a horror show.
Going to get worse the woke anti gunners want a national ban on Silhouette targets....
NY just banned silhouette targets.
I went to one range where the RO offered unrequested, unwanted "advice" to shooters on everything from stance and grip to type of ammo. It was the first and last time I went to that range.
You can have some cool people who teach you things and have know it alls. The worse is guys who aren’t even ROs just guys who are at the range the same time you are. They make sure their gun is packed up before they approach you to coerce you into letting them shoot yours.
I went to visit my mom in San Antonio and I brought her to an indoor range because she hasn’t gone shooting in a long time. When we got to our bay I was showing her how to hold a handgun properly and the guy in the next bay stepped in and said I was wrong and he knows because he was NRA certified to teach handgun classes…. I shoot uspsa often and professionally carry a gun for work. I know what I’m talking about. A few minutes later my mom was up to shoot and the nra guy sent a round into the celling. That experience just solidified that NRA certifications mean jack shit.
NRA certified ceiling shooter 😂
You have no idea if that person was actually NRA certified. Based on his lack of shooting skills, I would venture to guess that he was not NRA certified in anything.
@@shimmyshimmyko-ko-bop594 nra certifications still done mean shit lol
@@tylerk158 They are a portal to do a lot of things, like operate ranges, run competitions, RSO events, offer NRA certified training, get your CCW permit, among dozens of others. So, they actually amount to quite a bit. Just like any other organization, there are "undesirables" who do a poor job.
The nra stopped meaning anything a long time ago, I can’t speak on its certifications though
the ones I hate is when the range rules are not applied equally. I was in a small gun club, they had a small pistol range, 22 rimfire only. the local police were allowed to use the range..and they'd destroy it. they used .308 and shot through the back wall. they shot 12 gauge buckshot on clay pigeons, destroyed the target holders and left the mess. and no one on the board of directors would do anything about it. I quit that club when they started trying to blame other people, like the junior pistol team who always cleaned up, for the mess.
I was a member of an outdoor range, their rules for targets was only paper or steel, when I brought my kids they wanted to pop balloons with 22, so as I was putting the balloons on the targets RSO came very angry to let us know we were breaking rules by using balloons
Were they assault balloons? Those can be very dangerous.
The issue with no rapid fire practice is that in a self defense situation you're not going to slowly aquire your target and slowly pull the trigger. The idea is train how you fight. If you train to accurately rapid fire 3 to 5 rounds into a target at self defense distances it increases your odds of being able to do that in real life.
I'm 62 and I've been shooting over 50 years. I've been to a lot of ranges over the years. I've only been to one range with a "range nanny". Never went back. That range was closed a few years later.
Literally almost got kicked out of an indoor range for "rapid firing".. Literally just like a shot per second or so but they told me to wait a few seconds between each round. Never went back
Those ranges are the Planet Fitness’ of gun ranges
Same here was testing my p80 build and it ran all 17 perfectly and almost got kicked out because it’s my only gun and I need it to run reliably 😂😂
My range is a 57 yard indoor. They allow EVERYTHING! Full auto, Barrett 50, suppressors, whatever
It's not you that people like me are worried about. It's the hoodrats with lasers that come from big cities and are the best alley marksmen in their neighborhood. They can't hit anything, and they're just doing that faster.
@Foly Roz No, they're not. The people that try to rapid fire don't know how to do it. That's what the problem is.
In Missouri, there are a lot of public outdoor ranges that are pretty decent. Best of all, they're never crowded, and there's never an overseer. But those ranges are for simple folk with no imagination. I found my own sweet spots, deep in the Mark Twain National Forest that have a natural backstop. I'll even camp out for a couple days and just have a shooting vacation
I've been searching for an unstaffed area near me but no luck so far. Dept. of Conservation ranges are nice, but not the same as by yourself. I wish I lived closer to Mark Twain forest. So nice down there.
I had one time, myself and a few friends hit the range. 3 of us benched up with some AR’s. We shot in succession and in tandem, purely coincidental, and the RSO gives us the “NO RAPID FIRE!” line.
I said, “no, we aren’t. We are shooting consecutive shots.”
He didn’t like that answer and threatened to kick us all out. Real SOB.
I always felt like the "no steel casing" and the "cannot pick up brass" rules were related. THEY want to pick up and resell/reuse the brass, they can't sell the steel, therefore "no steel, also don't pick up your own brass"
But what if aluminum cases ammo?
Ah yes, the brass bandit strikes again.
It is to protect their investment, usually steel cased means Russian ammo with copper plated steel jacketed bullets. These are hard on AR500 steel, imagine what they would do to a steel bullet trap.
@@phild8095 You can easily test this though. The range I go to has a "steel ammo check" where they take a donor round from your pile and clip off the end of the bullet with wire clippers. If it's jacketed lead, the cutter will go right through. If it's a steel core, the clipper will get stuck on it. Quick, easy, and relatively cheap way to make sure people don't mess up the range while also letting them shoot for the most part whatever they like.
I've only seen, don't pick up anyone else's brass
Probably more an annoyance than anything, but at our county range I took my 38 revolver to shoot (it was my Dad's). When I would load it with the muzzle pointed down range with the gun at a slight angle down so the rounds wouldn't fall out of the cylinder. I had one range officer you can't point that at the ground. Well once I load the cylinder and closed it I would point it straight down range. I mean if a revolver discharges with the cylinder open while loading it, we have a real big problem.
Reading your comment and my experience of shooting shotgun shells off the floor (9mm used) with one of the employees(I was a member of the range at that time), I'm thinking that doesn't happen to often after reading many of these comments. I am shock to see round limits and telling people what can be printed on a piece of paper. I hope people share information about these types of places and hoping people will not have to settle for such micro management of every little detail.
I'm sure that range officer was intelligent enough to somehow manage that....
My worst range experience was an outdoor range I went too that does not allow you to shoot pistols and rifles at the same time ON THE SAME RANGE even if the rifles fire pistol calibers. You have to go inside the building and ask to swap your range cards from pistol to rifle and Vice versa. Oh and by the way, this range has a cease fire every 30 minutes. You have to put your targets far out there so if you need to change your targets and you are trying to switch from pistol to rifle or vice versa, if you don’t do all of that by the time the cease fire ends, you have to wait a whole 30 minutes for the next ceasefire to happen. Last but not least, you can only fire your rifles sitting down aiming through a slot with a big wall in your way. That’s only good for sniper rifles but regular ARs and stuff? Laughable. Worst range I ever went too. Not to mention the range officer also liked to yell over little honest mistakes like it’s the military hahahah pathetic.
I went to an indoor range once where I was the only person on the range. The safety officer sat right behind me and watched every move I made. I don't know what his deal was. Maybe he thought I looked suspicious. Maybe he had a bad experience with another shooter the day before. I'm not really sure what was on his mind but it sure was uncomfortable for me. I shot for about five minutes and decided I was tired of him sitting right behind me and staring at me constantly. I left and never went back to shoot there again.
Dam that sounds creepy as fckk lol...
Or simply that his job duties were to be RO whenever the range was active , and you were just the only one there . He wasn't going to take a nap , or play solitare on his phone , and there wasn't anything else to watch .
He was probably bored shitless and wanted to interact with ya
I hate indoor/ state ranges as much as i hate the government
Yup
Well said
The State owned range at yellowstone in Wisconsin is one of my favorites. Have not been there in a few years. Its free, and a gem, and I hope not too many people find out about it
Dude you just a massive audience, shit I am going to go to Wisconsin just to use that range.
😂
I got told to "slow it down, no rapid fire" at my former indoor range after I mag dumped a p22 (all the rounds were on target) so I showed up on the last day of my membership with a 460 XVR and a big fat muzzle brake and fired off a few +p bear loads that filled the whole range up with smoke, that was pretty funny
My man!
Bring in a 338 lapua. Biggest gun even some indoor ranges with 25 yard total distance allow. Yeah! 👍🤣👍
+P probably isn't the best option. Get some low maximum pressure ammo (those cartridges with slow-burning powder like the M193 in the early days in Vietnam) and you are literally going to spit fire XD
Very funny! Lol
+1
I almost shot on an indoor range once. The require all first time shooters at the location to watch a short video, even if you've been shooting for 50 years. One of the rules mentioned was no more than 1 shot in 5 seconds. 5 seconds between shots? We packed up our stuff and went home. I'm so glad I have relatives with property I can shoot on.
I'm 64 years old. Shooting hasn't been fun for years because of the kind of people you have to be around. Two years ago I moved to a southern state in a rural area where I'm near a National Forrest un-supervised public range. Drive in and use it. Frequently I can spend half a day there with nobody else on the place. Life is good.
Are you Hickok45?
@@IAmNotAHorse; No. I was assigned an M16A1 in the army, not a trapdoor Springfield.
@@TheWalterKurtz 😂 nice man happy shooting and have a nice day
Used to have a good one here in ky but the idiots ruined it because they lacked the ability to be responsible
@@Oldspartan65; That seems to be the situation everywhere.
I was told i couldn't shoot my .223 ar pistol with strike industries cookie cutter "loudncer" because the muzzle flash could burn down the range.
I was told that muzzle brake specifically was banned from the range. I complied and put the gun away and asked for a list of banned items so i wouldn't waste time bringing something that i didnt know was banned. The RO told me he was the list...🤦🏽♂️
This makes me feel even more blessed for the outdoor mountain shooting range im a member with. The RSOs are only there on public days (weekends from 8am-2) and after that they just leave and let any members come and use their multiple 200-300yrd dynamic ranges. Nothing beats being able to gear up in all your kit and do moving or cover drills . Hell they say if you want to risk your vehicle you’re allowed to practice shooting around your car or in it with the windows down. Gotta love it!
Lmao
Damn, can i more to where your at? Lol
@@dravenocklost4253 only downside is I live in Commiefornia so we don’t have it perfect lol, but this range makes up for that a little bit lol.
Outdoor ranges not open to the public have almost zero liability to worry about, because the only person you are going to hurt is yourself and by definition it will be your own dumb fault.
Same with my range. YOU are the rangemaster.
I've been to a range where you were not allowed to use any target that closely resembled a human silhouette. They took this rule so far they wouldn't let me or my friend use the Army's M4/M16A2 zeroing target.
Yup - our outdoor range can be seen from the roadway so we have a No Silhouette rule as not to offend or scare people. sigh...
What's even the point then
I went to a range that took things further than no silhouette, someone complained about the black ink colored B2X targets, then someone complained about the blue silhouette targets representing police, red/firemen etc , so they outlawed them alt.
Didn’t even know that was a rule until I put up a pic of Putin
My clay range has signs that say "No black/tactical shotguns." Like black shotguns shot different than all other shotguns.
Got the "no rapid fire" at an indoor range awhile back. The only reason I ever went to the more expensive indoor ranges was to practice double and triple taps since they allowed rapid fire, never going back there.
I've never had any issues when I go to the range. I have seen the 1 shot per second rule, but that range had a secondary area that was walled off and if you asked to use that room, you could practice double tap or mag dumps, as long as it wasn't into the ceiling. They also took the time to get to know you so they knew who they could and couldn't trust in the exclusive area. My preference is to go 'out of town' and setup targets. There's nothing like shooting in the open.
How they expect you to shoot: Sit for 20 mins, fire one shot, staring at your scope for 30 mins, have lunch, take a nap, fire a second shot. And go home.
I'm blessed that I don't have to go to a range. I genuinely feel for people that have to deal with all the shit you guys talked about. I wish no one had to put up with that.
@Master General not sure I understand what you're trying to convey with your comment. Could you elaborate please?
@@joshuagibson2520 it’s a bot, disregard it.
Thanks. I wish I had access to my family's former 175 acre farm or brother-in-law's parents 40 acre property that abutted 1,000 acres! I deal with many of these pathetic "Fuddery" & Anti-2A liability rules! I have to drive 45+ minutes to shoot at an outside range! Also, 2 indoor ones I loved were shut down due to leftists...
@@Shwarz88 i reported it
@@Shwarz88 how do you know it's a bot comment? Genuine question. I'm trying to learn. Thank you.
No headshots is a dumb rule. I was shooting a .22 pistol when they told me if a round touches the head zone I would be removed from the range. I never returned to that range or store.
There’s a rule at a range by me that says “no incendiary ammo” which I mean makes sense you don’t want a fire inside. But makes ya think who actuallly did that that it has to be a rule now 🤣
I work at an indoor range and we actually had a guy bring incendiary rounds in and asked if he could shoot them there...
@@tyler1776. "Hey is it cool if I let of some 12ga dragons breath? It only flashes for a second- trust me bro.
@@tyler1776. I shot some old Soviet incendiaries and the smoke literally smelled like cancer. Lol
The real question is how many of these rules are forced on the range by their insurance
A lot. Work at a gun range in Wisconsin. They're dictated by insurers from previous instances of poor gun handling on a customers part. Your average gun owner isn't intelligent.
@@printingwithpeek4897 Blasting away trying to shoot 8 shots a second not even aiming, yeah, that should be stopped not just for safety but because you aren't learning to shoot you're just going on an ego-trip.
But limiting to no more than 1 round per second is too great a limitation. A more realistic limit is around 103 beats per minute which lots of people know from songs as it's a very popular rhythm rate, like the BeeGees "stayin alive" or Queen's "another one bites the dust".
Though they aren't entirely wrong, these people who do claim to shoot really fast and "accurately" are BARELY landing all rounds "on target" that being a target which is about 2 foot wide. Now I don't know what has a thoracic cavity that's 2 feet wide but other than that it's a poor accuracy standard.
NONE! These "rules" are usually the product of a bunch of old geeezers living in years past and clinging to old concepts and ideas--ALL of those the result of old wives tales and ignorant hicks. I so confused an old geeeezer type RO he went into the club house for awhile to rest whatever brain he had. He was enthusiastically enforcing the "one round a sec" rule. I asked him if they shot bullseye matches there. He replied they did and in fact had a couple of members who are "double distinguished"!! This term was uttered in whispers with reverence and bated breath. I again breached the one a sec issue. I told him according to club rules those matches were against their rules. He looked surprised and asked how that could be. I asked if they shot the rapid fire portion of the course. He answered they did. I told him that was in violation of the rules. Now he was confused. I explained the rapid fire portion required the competitor to fire more than one shot a second! You have ten seconds for five shots. It takes over a second for the first shot--or longer for some shooters so the shooter must fire more than one shot a second to make the time limit. A confused look came over his face and he went in the clubhouse for the rest of the after noon. Mindless folks have no place at a shooting range.
@@Treblaine I mean yea kind of. If you know how to shoot and do fast shot placement, that's different.
@@Treblaine
So... if a person has the ability to (quickly) put 10 rounds into a target, 7 yrd out, and keep them in a 4" grouping... are you ok with that?
(asking for a friend)
There's an outdoor range where I live that has probably the dumbest rule of all time: you're not allowed to load more than 3 rifle rounds or 6 handgun rounds at a time
Seems like you and I are the only two people that have experienced this one. For me it was five rounds per mag at the only fricken public range on that rock known as Oahu. Thank God I moved back to the mainland. I wish someone would explain the reasoning behind that one.
Don't you just love emptying 30 rds out of a std cap. mag just to load them back in 3 at a time 10x. All of PA's SGL's have that rule, it's pretty dumb. Ik it probably exists bc some idiot did something stupid, and I'm getting really damn tired of everything in society being dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, as if suffering the idiots themselves isn't bad enough I have to suffer stupid rules put in place bc of them too.
I have the same rule and got a stern talking to last time I was there and shot a fully loaded 20 rd Glock mag. Thing is, everyone else was doing it, I’m the only one who got the warning. At least it was warning though and not a fine. The Game Commission runs the range in question and can actually fine you.
Next time I’m bringing 2 or 3 revolvers and popping off 12-18 quick shots just to see what happens.
Bristol Range, Wisconsin, used to require no more than 1 round in a magazine at a time. Then they relented and now allow 5 rounds.
Would that be a PA state game land range? They have that exact rule
The only indoor range near me changed owners but they used to have a rule that you couldn't bring your own ammo and you couldn't shoot anything but pistols. The only issue is their ammo is three times the price so nobody went there and they shut down then the cool gun shop near me bought the place hopefully they open up the range with better rules
I love my gun range. Clean and very nice. Rapid fire is okay as long as you maintain enough control. Picking up brass is highly encourage as it keeps it clean for everyone. $25 yr membership fee. Up to 3 guest are allowed per visit. Family falls under your membership. Even a private fishing pond with lots of fish for the kids. Year round!!!
I’ve got one for you fellas. Last spring I shot at an outdoor range in Arizona. (I’m in Minnesota where indoor ranges are almost a necessity during the winter months.) Here’s the rule that blew my mind and I have never heard of. No silhouette targets. They didn’t care if it was a zombie, alien, evil clown, Bigfoot or just a run of the mill silhouette. Targets only. Weird…….
Yes I have been to ranges like that I purchased several hundred military targets from cheaper than dirt Then when I hung them up at the range the RO informed me you can`t use those So I had to use the blank side and used them that way
i've seen that before. their reasoning, when asked, was "it's practicing to shoot a person"... good. grief.
My home range has the same rule. I’ve ask why and was told it started back in the eighties locals thought the club was training radicals. They did this to appease the nuts and they have just not gotten rid of it. The local police use it all the time and they use them?
@@dobrzpe My reply ... I'll just be on my way then, I don't conceal carry because I'm expecting to be accosted by a red circle.
Ranges also don't like steel case ammo because they can't collect and resell them.
The eternal brass goblin
I use steel case and haven't been told not too lol
Not for reloading
If that is true whey do most allow Aluminum case ammo, can’t reload that stuff.
Steel case is easy to remove from brass cases ... A magnet. Steel bullets are often banned to keep backstop in better shape when made of steel.
“Fuddery” lol I legit spat out my drink 😂. Love it.
Credit where credit is due, my indoor range in Peoria explained that the steel cased ammo usually has steel core projectiles, and the magnetic pull was clearly on the .308 projectile (Wolf). It was new for me to learn, but it was cool that they said if you had steel cased ammo with lead projectiles, that was fine to shoot.
Mine: can't shoot a handgun that I legally am allowed to own in my state because I am not 21. "You won't find a single range that will allow you cause that's just how it is!" Got in my car, drove 20 mins down the road, went to a range that allowed me to and bought a membership too. It's not an isolated issue and have been told that by 3 ranges already.
When I first got my M1 Garand. I first went to my favorite local indoor shop. My 1970s Greek 30 cal ammo stuck to magnet so they turned me away. Then I went to this one outdoor range. But they only allowed one shot loaded at a time, even for an AR. So for a garand, one round is a pain having to load directly into breach rather than using a full clip. So I finally found another outdoor range that is about an hour drive away that is way better for rules and more accommodating
You probably come out ahead timewise even with the tow hour round trip drive time if you are shooting more than 100 rounds.
That one shot loaded at a time rule is absolute insanity.
My outdoor range has a 5 round rule, except for the Garand, they allow full clips.
With the M1 Garand,you lay the round onto the magazine follower instead of shoving it into the breech.
The bolt needs the weight of the cartridge to slow its speed down enough to avoid/reduce slam fire.
@@doughesson CMP used to sell single cartridge en blocs called SLEDs, something like Single Loading Enhancement Device, ('cause it's got to have an acronym, right?), to use for the reason you mentioned. I just had a look; CMP doesn't have any but they are on eBay, of course. It's good you bring up the slam fire issue. I saw a guy lose an eye in a slam fire incident with an M1A some years ago. Apparently the round was a hand load which hadn't been resized. Have to check those hand loads. Check and double check.
That's nothing. I was at a range in Kaliforniastan, punching holes in a paper target with an SKS. At some point, I wanted to see if it shot differently with the bayonet extended. I flipped it out and continued to plink. Within 3 seconds, some morbidly-obese, crippled, cane-hobbling septuagenarian range-officer started yelling at top of voice, trundling his way at his top speed toward me. When he haul up to me like a bull elephant seal, he began bellowing at me....."Take that bayonet off that rifle!!!!". I told him that it is permanently attached. He shouted "Take that thing off or I will throw you off this range!!!!!". I asked what the problem is. He howled "Take that bayonet off because it is dangerous and you could hurt someone!!!!!" I said "Oh, the bayonet could hurt someone, but those hunks of copper jacketed lead flying out the end at 2,350 feet per second is perfectly safe?". The old walrus yelled "You got 10 seconds or I will call security!!!!!!" What a power-mad dunce.
"Can't pick up brass" has to be the most absurd thing I've ever heard. I never even imagined that could be a thing. It's literally YOUR brass. You're the owner; you own it. They can't just steal it because it's on their property.
I agree.....I would promptly leave that particular range and never ever return again.
At my range they request that you DO pick up your brass. Not a demand.
The trick here is to catch the brass as you cycle it out (or aim your ejection port at a bucket or bag or something) and immediately pocket it.
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@@nef36 As Chad said, they make brass catchers, have for a long time now.
Going to the range for me means walking literally 15 feet to the back porch and letting the lead fly. My backstop is a mountain that the world's largest ICBM would only make a dent.I love living out in the sticks!
This is my dream lol. One day I'll get there.
Me too. I have a 300 yard field behind my house I can shoot right off the porch. I'm lucky though I live on 50 acres.
My dream too. Someday I'll have the money to own some land and a house. Cheers man
So jealous!! Lol
you could have a metal band practice at the same time for the ultimate double whammy. Why not shoot some tannerite with rapid fire too.
I had a couple bad experiences with one particular RSO at a local indoor range.
Dude looked like Wilford Brimley in a Marine utility cap.
He would sweep my brass from around my feet while I was still shooting. He also interrupted my shooting to ask what kind of bullets I was shooting (apparently someone was firing Wolf steel-cased ammo).
So I did a "Great Escape" bit. Filled the pockets of an old pair of pants with holes in the pockets and seeded the floor with 9mm and .45 steel cases.
He started running around the range demanding to see all of the shooters ammo. He couldn't figure it out and was bordering on apopleptic.
Finally enough people complained to the point where he was either relegated to cleaning the bathrooms or he was fired.
New into guns and I got a few now. Thanks for making gripes cuz this is very informative. Message received 👍🏻
Man I grew up shooting in a field behind our house the first time I went to the range I got chewed out and almost kicked out for mag dumping my s&w honesty scared the shit out of me to have someone yell at you for something like that
In situation of the girl shooting the full auto Uzi, she accidentally shot and killed the instructor, not her dad. It was a tragedy none the less
"Fudderized" Oh my GOD LMAO. That's too frickin good 4:06
What's more fun is the indoor range that not only wants to keep your brass but also wants you to sweep up apparently their brass for them now when you're done shooting .
As a reloader and bullet caster of well over 30 years I would find somewhere else to shoot.
Having had the privilege of sorting through oceans of casings... it sucks...
If I sweep it, I keep it. Period
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Good plan!
Just bring your gear in a duffel bag and leave it opened on the ground near where you're shooting.
Sometimes it’s not even dumb rules, it’s just overly aggressive enforcement of good rules. Like you can’t cross the yellow line while people are setting up their targets, makes sense, good rule. But then if you have your baby toe over the yellow line for one nano second and the RO just loses his shit on you
Sounds like a public range here called trail glades. In their defense there was an injury a week before my first time. All new members are forced to take a safety class before getting their range card. I get it though, but that yelling over the PA step back behind the line is crazy🤣
Fair I guess, but still, their job is safety and the yellow line is there for good reason. No part of you should cross the line at any point for any reason. But like I said it's not the point.
Dude.... I'm grabbing my coffee
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I've had one yell at me for something like that before. Was just setting the spare target on the bench and he completely lost it.
my favorite ones are the indoor ranges that tell you 'no rapid fire' while simultaneously renting out machine guns.
My local gun club banned all outside ammunition because people were brining in hand loads that were sqibbing and a few folks hand their guns blow up while rapid firing. I'm supprised they didn't ban rapid fire.
My indoor range has a rule that you can only have 2 pistols on the bench at a time. As an RSO, I very selectively enforce this one, since it's fairly subjective. As long as they aren't being unsafe about it and the bench isn't overly cluttered, have a many as you can safely fit.
I always wondered why indoor ranges wouldn’t allow steel core ammo until my last range trip. A guy was shooting at a target 7yds away and the steel core ammo was striking the ground in the background and creating sparks along the ground. The RSO told him that due to unburnt powder on the ground it could cause a fire. So I assumed that’s why they don’t allow it. Your explanation of damaging backstops is something I didn’t think about.
Damaging backstops is a real thing. Penetrating a steel helmet at 300m was one of the design requirements of the SS109/M855 (aka "Green tip") ammo. Think what thousands of rounds of that will do to a steel backstop at 25m.
Yeah, the ''no steel core'' is one of the only rules that makes sense.
Some outdoor ranges are concerned with a spark from a bullet strike starting a fire.
ive seen the "you must use our ammo" at ranges with shoot houses. They're usually forcing you to use frangible projectiles
I've never been to one of those, but I did visit a range that forces you to use their targets.
That is fine and dandy. But it is like an engine. Use the oil it was designed for.
So my 1911 would not get used there. There is good reason for jacket rounds.
Oh I got thrown off a outdoor range for loading 5 rounds in a 44 black powder pistol. With the can of Crisco sitting next to me.
Yep Crisco the patch. Then Crisco the ball. But the range person is the 'expert'..
But yes it was the black powder that really was the bad thing. Must have been a military armory specialist.
There are lots of people that think you should not have a Mustang GT on the street. Until they drive one.
@@warrenpuckett4203 that last sentence lmao
@@warrenpuckett4203 literally no one thinks a Mustang Gt shouldn't be on the street
@@isiahaf1359 Then you drive one.
Then. I have to get one those.
But that means having too much fun.
It is a really bad thing for those that can't handle fun.
I agree with @clvinning. I went to a range in Fort Myers Florida that had that one shot per second rule. I felt like I was in a shooting range with "gun control light" rules.
I like the indoor range I use they allow you to rapid fire as long as you are still hitting the target and they allow you to practice drawing aslong as you have one of them verify you are able to draw safe
The girl shot the instructor with the Uzi, not her dad. It had nothing to do with the ammo and it was outdoors too in the desert. The instructor went from couple single shots straight to full auto and didn't have a proper position.
SSG Vacca, Charles J.
I stopped going to ranges because I got tired of getting chewed out for violating the "1-second" rule, training my self-defense draw and fire. Fud RO said I might not notice a squib. Sir, I would notice a squib. That's the point of my training. I also got yelled at by a watch watcher RO who thought I was shooting too fast and gave me a "final warning" for shooting too fast when I was deliberately counting "One-thousand-One" between shots.... just made it impossible to practice. Shouted "ONE-THOUSAND-ONE" *FIRE* for the rest of the mag and packed up and left.
And when I was practicing tap and rack with dummies, they panicked and thought I was having legit malfunctions and would harass me to make safe and inspect when I was just doing malfunction drills. (Luckily, this time, I had another competent RO speak up for me and tell the Fud to back off)
I also ran into the no steel case rule... and OFC, I also had an SKS that concerned them as well.
Had enough. So, I stopped patronizing those establishments. I just wanted to practice and be more competent.
That’s unreal if it’s your ammo that’s your brass if you wanna collect it! A lot of good points made tho covered both sides of the issue👍🏻
My local indoor range is pretty good about being soft on the rapid fire rule. If they can see you are good, shooting tight groups, and are safe they'll leave you alone. Unless it's the FNG. I can always tell when I'm gonna have a problem if I don't recognize the RSO of the day.
Just went to one near Saint Augustine FL that only allows one shot per 2 seconds unless you are a member and go to the designated long range/rapid fire range. The public or guest range has those FUDS that will just sit there and listen for you to break the 2 shot rule and constantly give you a hard time. They also don't allow pistol AR's with folding stocks or no stocks. Probably won't go back
I was just in Saint Augustine, and I want to the best outdoor range so I don't know which one your talking about
We have one here in SA, TX that has the same no AR/AK pistol rule. You’re limited to one shot per 5 seconds though - worst I’ve seen so far is 1 shot every 7 seconds. Of course, if you get the private bay then you don’t have to follow that, but there’s no reserving a private bay there
@@hellishcyberdemon7112 there are 2 outdoor ranges directly across US1 from each other in St Augustine, both are gun clubs, but one has a 770 yard range that is by appointment only.
@@supervillain3213 i went to the one with the 200 yard range and it was the best place i had ever gone
@@hellishcyberdemon7112 i'm pretty sure it has to be Saltwaters with the 770 yard range, because the other one is a private club. They also have 200 yard ranges.
I have run into a range where the RO was sweeping up brass quickly. And got a lot of my brass initially. I opened up my range bag and placed it about where most of my brass had been landing. That solved him sweeping my brass.
This one guy did that to me with my 5.45 casings which were lacquered steel but if you didn’t know any better you would think they were brass. When I packed up to go from the 25 yard to the 100 he was all over the ground and in the grass for awhile bending over picking up the casings. It’s always funny seeing brass bandits all over that 5.45 like it’s exotic and worth so much more
Having been an RSO on an indoor range I’ll say we’re not always after your brass… I for one was told to sweep the brass forward of the benches so no one stepped on/slips on the brass. Personally I don’t have a reloading setup at home so I save my own brass for the day when I finally do have a setup, but I won’t chase anyone else’s… it’s not worth it.
You should have communicated to the RSO that you were saving your brass.
What you obviously don't know is that too much brass on the floor becomes a slip hazard.
@@blackpowderriflehunter7573 A simple ribbed mat solves that. We all know it's a racket.
@@blackpowderriflehunter7573 lol get real guy.
I occasionally shoot at an indoor range with a no brass pick up rule. I place my gun and ammo on the bench and place my range bag on the floor to my right. It's just a coincidence that my brass hits the divider and drops into my range bag. Did I mention that I use a large range bag.
No steel case is why I stopped going to indoor ranges and I'm glad I did. My range now is awesome. If they know you, and it's not Saturday there is no RO, people sight in machine guns here. I also leave with a bag full of cases to go make more stuff for when I come back.
I've been to ranges in LA that won't allow you to use your own ammo and charge damn near $50 per bag of their reloads, then there's a range in Laredo, TX that won't let you use your own targets. You have to buy their thick wax infused targets and they claim some bs about regular paper or cardboard targets possibly catching on fire. Absolutely ridiculous!
Bro, find another range to practice. There are some bad ones operated by unscrupulous owners/management; they’re all about making a cash grab and scamming customers out of their money. There are good ranges out there where you the receive the excellent level of customer service you expect at a gun range. Respect, minus the bullshit.
I’ve seen a paper target catch on fire in Texas and I wasn’t using anything other than fmj it was about 105 degrees
@Robert Bowen that I understand. I've darn near had targets smoking outdoors in the military at Camp Pendleton, but not expected inside a climate controlled range with integrated sprinkler system.
That's ridiculous. Our range did have to put up some rules regarding targets, but they will let you take your own, they just have to *see it first*. Reason? People where taking targets with all the things you can imagine (from pictures of politicians to ex girlfriends) and they where getting complains about it. Other than that, you can bring anything you want. They also have a lot of metal targets you can use, and they make sure there's enough paint to go around.
One of my favorite indoor ranges several years ago was shutdown due to the the insurance company kept increasing their rates for any reason the insurance company came up with (not based on a risk situation). The owner said they could no longer afford the increasing rates and keep the cost reasonable for patrons, plus trying to keep all the insurance requirements up to date. The owner firmly believed that the insurance company was purposely trying to make it so difficult to operate the owner would have to shut down the range.
A really nice indoor range near me was closed for the same reason. I know it wasn't due to lack of customers because it was always busy.
I get the feeling we're gonna be seeing a LOT more of this in the coming months/years.
@@mrenygma181 that makes too much sense and its kind of scary
The subtle and legal ways they try to limit 2A rights sickens me.
I'm surprised the NRA hasn't come up with one.
There is an outdoor range near here that only allows you one round in a magazine fed rifle and only 6 rounds for pistol.
This made me appreciate my local indoor range, they let you rapid fire and if u buy a suppressor from them they let shoot with it at the range but you have to leave it there until your paperwork is done
I dealt with this at a couple local indoor ranges. Some of those ranges are no longer open. These are the same people complaining that there are no ranges in the area. We don't go to any of them anymore.
At a range near me it said "no steel or aluminum cased ammo" so I don't think all of them are worried about penetrators or steel core. They think its unsafe for some reason. Basically just brass only. The roomba comment was spot on.
They want to collect and profit off your brass casings is what they are doing.
In addition to the ones you mentioned. a local range no longer allows shotguns, even slugs. If you rent a gun, and buy THEIR ammo... you cannot use that ammo again on return trips in their rental guns... It has to be purchased THAT day... so stupid
I always ask the range owner, “I k ow you don’t like rapid fire but I like to train for double taps” and since they all believe in double and even triple tapping when firing defensively with a handgun they all say “ok, you can do that” then I fire as fast as I want and they leave me alone. They may come out and observe but once they see my grouping they typically walk away confident that I’m not going to hurt myself or anyone else.
Years ago I went to a local outdoor gun range. its located on a piece of land just out of town and is fairly nice. I was checking in with the RO, signing the usual safety stuff when I noticed all the way at the bottom of the rules was "All magazine cannot be loaded with more then 5 rounds". needles to say the RO wasnt happy when I started laughing.
Similar for a local range I used to go to. Shotguns only permitted 2 rounds.
We may use the same range
"don't worry, I won't load ALL my magazines with more than 5 rounds, I'll keep at least 1 magazine loaded with only 5 rounds"
I would intentionally only shoot from drum magazines when I use that range
@@jaywatson8898 that's almost 100% of trap, Skeet, and sporting clays courses....and it is actually a very good rule.
On the clays course, yes you may end up shooting 4, 6, 8 or 10 times on a station. Loading two at a time only, at the end of each pair of birds thrown, youll have a clear gun.
Slam 5 in, shoot 4 birds, and walk out assuming your gun is clear when it isnt.....isn't.....
Having said that, yes I have loaded more than 2 on occasion however I take special care to clear the gun before mov8ng out of the cage
One of our local ranges makes you buy their ammo because some meat head brought tracer rounds into the range and burned it to the ground. So that one I can understand.
Agis Arms in Houston won’t let you use steel cased because “it can bounce off the wall and start a fire” per them
I'm so glad my local range is awesome and chill. They let you shoot as fast as you want as long as you can control it, the staff is always willing to help you, and they've never once asked to see my tax stamps. The only thing they've ever asked me is if they can try shooting my guns after seeing how fun they are. I love spooking people with my binary trigger lol
That's a good standard, the only standard that matters. Sure the worst shooter with the most inappropriately powerful gun needs to wait several seconds between each shot but that is their limitation.
lol if i ever got asked for documentation id just pack up and leave and cancel my membership
@@undercoverhustler37 Right on
I agree man!!!! I actually go to 2 different gun ranges, and that's because the one I actually have a membership at (despite them being cool) has a rule that you can't bring in any outside ammo, even if it is legally purchased and had receipts to back that up. They did make one exception for me, was when I took my Desert Eagle out for the very first time.
The secondary range that I often go to, not only gives range attendees the option to purchase ammo from them, but they also allow you to bring your own ammo as well.
While one may be only LEGALLY required to show NFA paperwork to an ATF Field Agent, the range is private property, and if they don't want you to shoot there without you showing those documents, they don't have to let you shoot there. Now, if you decide to leave without showing those documents, and they detain you, you've got a slam-dunk unlawful detention/apprehension case when the ATF Field Agent DOES show up and verifies your legal possession.
A few years ago a friend and i were at a range and got hollered at for shooting a muzzle loader. It was a .22 with a tube magazine.
a lot of outdoor ranges have been isolated in rural areas and safe for years but recently had suburbs encroach in which causes issues of liability. range in my area finally gave up and closed after being sued so many times for noise and errant rounds by surrounding residential developments that were built around it in the past 10 years.
Yeah the city people need to stop pouring into the rural areas. They like how peaceful the land is but get mad when they find out guns are a part of life.
unfortunately, they should have bought / owned the surrounding land to stay safe. Best bet is moving to the desert and owning 100 acres.
Stricklands in Daytona fl had this happen... the county or city of daytona Beach got mad at them, took land right next to them and forced them to close.
That reminds me of people buying a house near railroad tracks or an airport, & then complaining about the noise after the fact.
D9nt blame the people. Blame the real estate agents and developers. Also, blame the county.
I am one of the guys who took a Yugo SKS to the range without soaking the bolt in gasoline. But to my credit, all five rounds hit the target. They just did it really damn fast.
Lol memories, memories!
I saw a guy with a pistol built from an 80% frame that fired single shots most of the time, but then occasionally bam-bam!! One trigger pull, two shots fired as fast as it would cycle. He tried a different slide, same problem. Dunno if he ever fixed it. That's not a gun I'd ever want to leave loaded...
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I saw a guy unknowingly shooting burst fire with his SKS on the range. After pointing it out he told me he just bought it "off a gunsmith." Seemed too likely to fire out of battery. I packed up my shit and left.
A range opened up about 10 years ago close to me. For the first year or 2 you could only have 1 gun in the bay with you while shooting. So if you brought multiple guns you had to have them in their case. Then recase that gun to get another out. That rule changed after a bit.
I have my own range at my house but if I'm going out with buddies there's a free outdoor range with about a 150 foot tall burm and a skeet range with very little loads like buckshot can't be used on the rifle range and you can shoot as fast as you want and you can pick up your own brass and use whatever ammo and whatever gun and the ROs are really cool and helpful.
It's a great honor when the range guy puts you in the bay next to the wall because he knows you won't be hitting it.
LOL! I agree with that comment! However, sometimes I've seen people put in the "far"" or "nearer" range so they can be "watched..." Not necessarily the bay next to the wall, though...
I wondered why I got the lane next to the wall the last few times. Didn't know they watched that kinda thing🤔
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I didn't know that, but I've noticed the range across town puts me in 1,5,6 or 10 a lot. I also get noticed when I start plowing away the .44 magnum.
One and only time I went to one I brought someone who had never shot before, they put us in the far lane. I don't know that's a thing putting them there for that reason.. maybe.
Have ya'll ever considered doing range reviews? For Example, go to a range, unannounced or planned ahead, and film your experience there. Then talk about it in studio afterwards. I think it would help highlight the good, the bad, and the ugly (obvious boomer reference) in the industry for folks. As someone that has worked at both outdoor and indoor ranges as an instructor and RSO, I think could be very beneficial for the entire 2A community as a whole. And, if you're ever interested in doing something like that, I'd like to volunteer my current place of employment as tribute. Practical Tactical Plus LLC in La Grange, MO. Keep up the great work gents!
At my local range, there are a couple Fudds that come up, and tell me we have to wait for the other guy to stop shooting before we can shoot. Never mind there are 4 other people there when the range is full. It’s ridiculous.
Regarding the brass casings, my friend and I will put a tarp down to catch all our brass and pick it up quickly. Not that our local ranges have these rules, it just makes it neat and tidy.