Forged Fiction - Revelation
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- Throughout the long history of this series, we have covered nearly every book of the New testament. In total, we have discussed 26 of the 27 books in the new testament, delving into the history of the text, authorship, dating, interpolations, and the use of imagery. For this episode, the final episode of Forged Fiction, we will cover one of the most colorful writings in the new testament, Revelation. Writing to seven churches in Asia Minor, modern day Turkey, the author is presenting his readers with cause for hope in time of plight and he accomplishes this in a very interesting way. It’s a strange text with a fascinating story of composition, which will be the focus of this video.
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Eerdmans Bible Commentary
Bruce Metzger - Breaking The Code
Bruce Metzger - The text of the New Testament
Elaine Pagels - Revelation
Roger Omanson - A Textual guide to the Greek New Testament
JJ Collins - The Apocalyptic Imagination
A. Yarbo Collins - Crisis and Catharsis
Jurgen Roloff - Revelation
New Interpreter's Bible New Testament Survey
Loren Stuckenbruck - The Myth of Rebellious Angels
Carlo Giordano, Isidoro Kahn - The Jews in Pompeii, Herculaneum, Stabiae and in the Cities of Campania Felix.
Lee Martin McDonald - The Biblical Canon
Bart Ehrman - Forgery and Counterforgery
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Hans-Josef Klauck - Do They Never Come Back? “Nero Redivivus” and the Apocalypse of John
Henry Fairfield Burton - The Worship of the Roman Emperors
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Your analysis is REALLY GREAT, insightful, almost a breakthrough.
Great video. I found it clarifying which is high praise for an explanation of a piece of writing so symbolic.
That was a very informative and helpful video. Thank you. 🙂 My friends and I are studying Revelation right now, and almost all that you mentioned is a good confirmation of what I’ve learned.
I’d like to add something. You mention how 666 can be converted out into θηρίον, the Greek word for Beast, but 616 can also be converted out into θηρίου, which means ‘of the Beast’ and happens to be the form used in Revelation 13:18. So it works for both numbers.
This is an excellent video. It’s well researched, well argued, and well articulated. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it.
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Winter/Sether (666) is the beast throughout the bible. There are various divisions of the year in the bible and Winter (Nov - Feb), Spring (Mar - Jun), and Summer (Jul - Oct) is very common. The religious year begins and ends at the spring equinox. The secular year begins and ends at the autumn equinox. ..and there is the year ending on Dec 22 and beginning on Dec 25.
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I wonder if they attributed "The Beast" to mankinds dark side?
For instance, if society is to continue its journey forward and into the future, with goodwill, then we must tame the beast if we are to be successful.
666 is numerology which was very popular at that time, and 6+6=12+6=18, and 1+8=9, or human consciousness which is the beast. You can find this throughout the NT like when Jesus says to cast your net to the right yielding 531 fish caught which of course is 9.
Just found this channel. I love it. Thank you
Finally the video I was looking for!
Yes! I’ve been waiting for this one.
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In other words your pastor has misunderstood what the book of revelations was about. It was not about our time but "John's" time when it was written
Excellent interpretation Very informative and historical...
beautiful work..
Excellent. Answered my query demonstrably.
I have heard that Enoch and Revelation are both Essene writtings and that Rev. was written before the gospels.
Who rewrote Rev? The Essene one is very different.
Thank You For Your In-depth study on this! Take care man, and keep up the great research on everything!
Thanks ! Been waiting for this !!!
@White Dove Lol. You really need to get a life, little guy.
Wish I found this channel before I moved from Milwaukee to NY :)
I’m no atheist, but this video was super educational
you teach me a lot today.please put out books that you have read.
I really do love you guys. Awesome manifestation.
I certainly enjoyed this very scholarly work and I wonder what you think of the Christ Conspiracy book ?
Thank God someone done their research
The same tired research done from a purely academic perspective. Problem is its 1st century hearers were not concerned with characteristics like (origin, date, and authorship), they were concerned with content. For a equally formidable argument may I suggest the New Testament Theology Series on The Theology of the Book of Revelation by Richard Bauckham, who by the way is also a scholar.
"That book never meant to be taken literally".
What christian book is meant to be taken literally then?
Nothing. Except somethings that conveniently match with the readers mind.
Eeeh... you know.
It's a big book.
And it spans thousands of years.
So, dont approach it like you do an 8th grade science book or an IKEA instruction flyer.
There are big differences between old and new testaments. And you have to actually read the material and understand context before you go pointing fingers.
So, here is the truth. Science does not conflict with Christian religion. People do. It's ok if you dont believe. Not one Christian will harm you if you dont.
In fact, we will hope the best for you.
We are peace loving and forgiving people.
I am afraid you confuse us with Muslims, who are not.
You can take it literally. There is context that goes with it.
Most stumble on prophetic language. Not all though.
@@islamlies5687 Church history puts the lie to your "peace loving and forgiving" claim. Maybe you should read some and try to understand it. Show me in your book where your god was ever peace loving or forgiving. Or better yet, show me any evidence you have for such a god. The omnipotent one who is perfect yet in need of worship and money, yet is unable to provide evidence for his own existence. Until existence is proven, all claims under him are just that, claims.
@@hlloyd-fs4uf Mathew chapter5 to be exact.
Your heart cries out against injustice that is everywhere.
You wonder where G@D is.
You, and everyone else has free will. You suffer with an awareness that things are not right. That awareness is spiritual. Yehoshua is the salvation from this. Repent. It means change to your mind.
The book of revelation covers a 12 month period which is repeated every year beginning at the spring equinox and the sign of the lamb. The first chapter of Genesis is also repeated on a 12 month period, the six days are the six months beginning at the spring equinox in Aries and ends in the sign of Virgo. The six nights are the six months from the fall equinox to the spring equinox. This is illustrated in the Last Supper by Leonardo DaVinci where he places Vigo to the immediate right of Jesus and Aries to his far right. Pisces is to his far left and the Scorpion is divided into Libra nd Scorpio on his immediate left.
I hope you'll expand on this with a follow-up video.
I'd like to hear more about the history of this work, how was it used, when, and where.
If this was really the writing of someone expecting that the end was coming soon, then why did they take the time to write it?
How did it go from a piece of literature to something that was used, however it was used, in churches? If the predictions didn't come true then why was it continued to be used?
Thanks for your continued work!
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There was a guy from alexander who was also responsible for putting the false trinity doctrine into the bible, he put revelations into the canon, Once it was in by roman leaders it was hard to take out, but the eastern side Turkry never accepted it as true and to this day the greek orthodox churches exclude it in the Bible, it was said to have been written by a guy named cerinthus( spell check) and people believe its a future prophesy because the end hasnt com yet like the book says. Its important to find the truth about this because it does affect the minds of a lot of people. Im christian but i dont believe Paul was good and im not sure about revelations yet.
I think of revelations like this.
Jesus says, “ok guess what, a lot of people are going to say they’re ME or claim to speak for me, and they might even be really convincing and perform miracles just to get you to believe them, BUT…it’s NOT me.”
Then two seconds later this guy John who never met Jesus or anyone who met Jesus comes along and says a bunch of stuff that goes against Jesus’ preachings…and instead of saying, “Jesus kinda warned us this would happen, he said there would be people acting like they represented him. Perhaps we should forget this guy”, instead they were like, “o REALLY like this John guy who wrote revelations! Let’s create some new cults based off THAT stuff instead of Jesus’ gospels!”
And the list of spin-off cults grew and grew and grew.
It became the favored text of David Koresh and Jim Jones and other cult leaders.
Anyone who had a baggy of meth and a Bible could try to interpret revelations!
Well Paul did the same thing. Jesus said i have told you All things in advance. To my knowledge it was only Paul and John of patmos(Cerinthus possibly) That came after Jesus with new doctrines and said that Jesus spoke to them. I think Jesus said if someones says he was out in the wilderness (paul) dont listen to them, And if they say the end is near(revelations) then dont listen, No one knows when the Son will return. I dont trust Paul. Im still learning about revelations though, not sure what to think yet.
Paul was antichrist @@aljay9622
the 8th could just be the re-establishment of a Roman-like rule. Since it is a vision, and Revelation is supposed to be the "final future."
Bro William branham gave an indepth divine interpretation of the book of revelation....
The first book is the exposition of the seven churches and the other book is the revelation of the seven seals
@tsimahei
Irrelevant fear mongering, in a few billion years none of us would be alive anyway.
@tsimahei
Irrelevant question toward the ideology.
@tsimahei more irrelevant crap you spouted there... There's no evolutionist dilemma only the religious nut jobs said that... Evolution is a fact of reality just like 1+1=2 if you don't like them, why the hack are you even doing with your math based technology here? What a load of hypocrite of the absolutely disgusting level of shit, sell or burn everything science based that you own and start inventing everything from scratch and don't ever dare to use any of the established scientific facts and consensus... You don't like evolution? Then you have ABSOLUTELY zero right to agree that 1+1=2!
@tsimahei
Moar irrelevant crap, remember every single moment you see this posts, every single words translated by ascii system, every single bits and bytes behind it, every single electricity behind it, all proves that you're a massive hypocrite of the highest degree, because computer technology works because physics is operating exactly the same way with biology and therefore evolution, and while we're at it, don't forget every single time you used medicine and health care technology, transportation technology, etc.
Funny how you use them all the time while bashing evolution.
What a load of shit.
@tsimahei while you're at it... Just admit you're also a flat earther, and that Noah global flood happened too, also don't forget that supposedly yahweh willed for Egypt and Tyre to be a desolation forever, and oh, don't wash your hands before eating too as Jesus was disappointed by such tradition and proclaimed that you don't need to adhere such modern health practice.
Good video guys, also, I have to let you know that I won't be attending next Sunday's stream. Because of circumstances that I can't control, I have to drive back up to Michigan that day (originally it was gonna be early July that I was gonna leave). I'll be on the road for eight hours (8 AM-4 PM) and thus won't see you guys, apologizes and hope you understand.
I think you misunderstand the vision of the Beast with seven heads and ten horns.
In view John was envision the past beast kingdoms which Daniel had visioned.
In so that John is given the key to this imagery as the seven heads are seven "mountains " which represent kingdoms. So five kingdoms / kings have fallen.
Again a view taken from Daniel . Egypt , Babylon, Median, Persian Greece. It is Greece which had the ten kings (Generals ) known as DIADOCHI.
Rome would then be the sixth kingdom /king and one to come.
Revelation 9 itself shows the seventh king coming out of the pit with his locust army as Apolloyn.
The interpretation isn't of Rome army, but of false teachers coming upon the land of Israel.
I disagree with your interpretation, Rome was built on 7 hills therefore the heads represent the hills of Rome. I also agree with Milwaukee Atheists that the heads also represent 7 emperors starting with Augustus who proclaimed Rome as empire and 7th head being Domitian because the interesting thing about this theory is Domitian was emperor when revelation was written. The Beast of the earth who is supposed to be the 8th king is Nero returning as the anti-Christ because he tells people to make an image to the beast that was “wounded by the sword”.
The 7 heads of the beast representing empires that had come and gone can’t be correct because the symbolism of the beast having the skin of the leopard, the feet of a bear, and the mouth of a lion represent Greece, Babylon, Persia which had fallen by the time Revelation was written. So why would the 7 heads represent fallen empires such as Greece, Persia and Babylon when they’re already represented on other parts of the beast? Rome had ruled over Greece, and parts of Babylon and Persia were controlled by Rome which leads to why the “whore of Babylon” that represents Rome is sitting on the beast. What’s fascinating about the whore of Babylon is she’s wearing scarlet and purple which are colors of the Roman Empire. Scarlet is the color of war worn by Roman soldiers and purple was worn by Roman emperors. So the whore of Babylon is the embodiment of Rome’s imperial government and empire hence why she is drinking a golden goblet that is full of the blood of Christians, Jews, and other people that Rome had conquered.
So the whore of Babylon and the Beast of Revelation both represent Rome, it’s basically a propaganda piece by John of Patmos. This would be like if someone back in 2004 made a political cartoon criticizing American policy in Iraq where the US is depicted as Uncle Sam riding a bald eagle and out of the eagle’s claws it’s dropping giant boulders which can be a metaphor for American planes dropping bombs on Baghdad.
You know if there are people out there that say they are Christians or not you know you have to have faith faith is very strong instrument it can get you through horribly bad times and give you strength that you never knew you had do you have to have faith in God order to truly understand his word
There's a huge difference between being religious and having a relationship with God and you have the right believe whatever you want that's why we live in America but I also have the right to believe in God if I want to I respect your right not to believe but you need to respect my right to believe
You know I haven't said anything bad about you at all you have the right to reject Jesus Christ or you have the right to accept that's your thing and if someone was being rude or obnoxious to you because they claim to be a Christian obviously they were not and I'm sorry that that happened to you but not all Christians are the way you think they are you have a very bad View on Christianity I myself have met people who claim to be Christian and found out later they were not so it takes all kinds in this world you have a nice day and God bless
tracie, have you ever heard of punctuation? Most people that are literate have learned how to use it. I guess your teacher-momma ignored grammar as well as science. Every funny little dot or line that _isn't_ a letter in this message is an example of what those of *average* intelligence call "Punctuation." You should watch more *Sesame Street* instead of veggie-tales.
All religions require faith, and through their faith, all believers of all religions say that they follow the one true faith. It would appear to me that faith is, in fact, fucking useless. It can be used to come to _any_ conclusion, including a _wrong_ one… _Usually_ a wrong one.
Why, then, should I give a shit about faith?
Also, in saying that one needs faith to understand your evil, fictional god's word is advocating for fallacious thinking. Specifically: _"Cognitive Bias."_ That is a dishonest method of thinking that I will not validate by calling it "reason" of any sort. Anyway, the bible was written by savage, backwards primitives, and myth-makers, and all of it is written in such simple language that a third grader can parse and understand it. I don't need faith to see that your holy book details a flat Earth and that it claims that animals get their markings from what their parents were looking at while they rutted. I just need an average intelligence and a willingness to be honest with what I am reading. Faith and _Cognitive Bias_ only comes in when you actually need the book to be true, and the god you worship to not be a raving psychopath.
Gaius Julius Caesar wasn't an emporer.
To nit-pick: αρνίον and αμνός are not just different spellings. They are two entirely different words for "lamb". The one used in Revelation (αρνίον) survives in contemporary Greek vernacular and must have been a neologism back then.
So, now could it be time to track the ideology clothed in each books narrative?
As the books of the bible were written with knowledge of ideology and aims to implant specific thinking and belief ... to generate outcomes of certain societal attitudes and behaviour ... looking at each book in this way would be unveiling the inner intent, or tracing and laying open, the ideology in the writings.
Doing this would mean developing a skill set to observe and think like the inventors and makers of religion. Which would work as a good protection, an inoculation protecting against it's influence. (Which hasn't stopped today or stayed within the old religious garb. Everyone should have the ability to read something and see the ideology being promoted.)
Such an undertaking would be a valuable service to all people wanting to pull back the veil and see the emptiness in the writings (and media) of various ideological institutions. For example, God is the idea of an external authority that knows more than you and which one has to submit to and obey.
The Idea inside the religious narratives that use God, is present in other non-religious narratives such as Kings. The transition from authority in a God/Priestly order to authority in a King/Government as the external authority one has to submit to and obey is seen in Samuel.
Another example that is easy to follow is the ideological change in Jesus from Mark to Luke (and Matthew) as pointed out by Bart E and others. NonStampCollector's newest vid is a cool artistic window into the specific intent of each book being a pre-determined ideologically, and written into the characters/narrative. czcams.com/video/78bsM7RbK0A/video.html
The ability to see the ideology and separate it from the narrative/propaganda is a skill, or level of conscious awareness that will effectively give armour and weapons to people to see, defend against and if necessary put the sword of real truth to ideological deceivers of all kinds.
I've already started doing this but in the upgraded, non-religious form of ideological indoctrination and manipulation. (Which most people have been indoctrinated/conditioned with, but have little conscious perceptive knowledge of.)
(Edit: Probably not a good plan to take entire books apart to begin with, but to look at say, the Idea of 'Superior Knowledge' in the idea of God/Church/Pastors/Prophets/The Bible ... i.e. the 'approved authority' has superior knowledge and, IF BELIEVED it is seen as REASONABLE to use what they say as better truth than one can come to alone. This is where FAITH REASONING comes from. The whole central concept of belief in superior knowledge from some AUTHORITATIVE institution, leading to the adoption of the institutions knowledge and ways of thinking, becoming the mind of the believer. We've all seen it, the Christian believer becomes an organ of thought and speech for the Idea that God's word is better than their own thinking, which they abandon, and think it is better and hence REASONABLE, to become an automaton, parroting the bible. ... The core IDEA here is ... THE AUTHORITY KNOWS BETTER than the individual, so the individual should become a vehicle, for the knowledge of the Authority.) How do many Christians express their belief that THE AUTHORITY KNOWS BETTER? They say, the Bible is the Word of God, I trust Ravi Zacharias, he's a spokesperson for God, and so on. Other Ideas to open out and investigate ... collectivism i.e. the Catholic or Universal Church, the body of Christ ... It's commitment to the idea of a superior authority, that makes a collective. The idea of Blasphemy, talking against the emptiness of false ideas of superior authority, will expose them for what they are, so they must be protected from this. The entire structure is about protecting the central idea of a superior Knowldege. So the idea of expulsion scapegoating and submission are necessary to protect the central idea. One false central idea needs a host of false ideas to surround and protect it. Looking at ideas in the biblical narrative and pulling them out of the narrative and examining them as pure ideas and in other narratives/propaganda/politics. Could be challenging and rewarding. You could even suggest individual investigations and ask for insights and suggestions making it a group investigation and learning process.)
Cheers Sincerely David
BLIND FAITH IS IN NEARLY ALL RELIGIONS. BUT MOTIVES ARE NOT ALWAYS CLEAR, AS THE "JEDI OR SCYTH RELIGION" IS A RELIGION, BUT WHERE IS THE IDEOLOGY OR PROPAGANDA; IT'S JUST FROM A MOVIE WITH A BIT OF TRUTH MIXED IN, RIGHT?
Movies, can be particularly potent implanter's and popularisers of Ideology. Most people tend to see the narrative and don’t realise it is packed with ideology, which people take in without even realising it. That people became believers in the source after the Star Wars movies shows this. Movies and TV in the last century, and now internet and mobile phone media are greatly used as influencers of people with state directed propaganda campaigns in the past being so potent that they turned Nations populations desirous of peace into supporters of joining the allies WW efforts. The sociological, and world view effects of the Star Wars movies has been and is huge. That you only see it as stuff just from a movie might be something for you to consider looking into.
There are a lot of old movies being re-made these days. I watched some clips from the new Jumanji today. It seems the social ideology of today is different from past so the remake is upgraded with the gender transitioning ideology of today built in. The basic backdrop involved SCHOOL KIDS, getting sucked into a computer game and having to play the role of a character in the game, this involved transitioning the sex of a student from female to male in the movie. In a real sense Movies are the modern equivalent of religious ideological influence to shape societal norms.
WHAT COULD IT BE IN A FEW HUNDRED YEARS WITHOUT TV AND TECH AFTER A DISASTER? ANOTHER MAINSTREAM RELIGION?
It already is mainstream ideological implantation. The inner core of religious ideological manipulation is there, but in more powerful media and more psychologically knowledgeable forms and they are deliberately non-religious most of the time while having stronger and deeper effects than religious indoctrination typically did.
BETTER TO ASK THE "FATHER IN HEAVEN", OR "THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH" IF YOU PREFER, OR THE UNIVERSE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN A GOD ETC, FOR TRUTH, GUIDANCE, LEARNING, STRENGTH AND TRAINING FIRST, AS WE NEED HELP, AS WE KNOW NEXT TO NOTHING WITHOUT HELP ESPECIALLY.
Objective nature is truth, we gain knowledge of it by using our senses which gives us facts from which we think and live. Sharing observations and thinking is a great benefit.
THE PROTECTION OF AN IDEA IS NOT ALWAYS THE REASON TO SEPARATE PEOPLE FROM "OUTSIDERS" ETC; IT'S ALSO TO NOT BE INFLUENCED BY TERRIBLE HABITS THAT OUTSIDERS HAVE. WHY DO YOU THINK BHUDDIST MONKS SEPARATE? BECAUSE THE NONSENSE OF THE YACKING, DRINKING, TV, MUSIC, CONSOLE, VR, DUMB-PHONE GENERATION/PEOPLES, INTERFERE WITH GROWTH OF MIND, PEACE, PROGRESS, AND OFTEN IRRITATE AND ANNOY.
The central idea of the Judeo Christian religion is God. It’s essentially an empty shadow replacing the substance of nature. Because it’s empty it needs protection from critical review or exposure, hence blasphemy laws prohibiting talking against the central empty idea.
My comment is on biblical ideas not Buddhist monks separating themselves from highly idealised modern society.
NOT A GREAT WAY TO SEEK A PEACEFUL LIFE, MINGLING WITH NOISY "BRATS" ETC. BUT SOME ARE PRISONS TO SUCK MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE, USING CONTROL, ALSO. BUT THAT IS THE SAME AS THE GOVERNMENT AND EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT KEEPS PEOPLE DUMB. BUT THEY HAVE GUNS AND LAWS, SO YOU DON'T PICK ON THEM :)
Peace that is not in truth is just compromise of truth, that one knows is true which makes one deliberately and knowingly compromising of what is needed to live a peaceful life in truth.
Prisons, in places of dishonest corruption, are filled with honest people that would not compromise.
And people that don’t stand up for the children, to help parents protect them form Governments that keep them dumb are not the kind of people I consider worth talking to, yet alone conversing with. The leaders of such a society must be very weak and scared to have to abuse children and keep them dumb.
The reason they have guns and laws is because they don’t have the common sense of natural law. Force and the threat of force are not needed if you are asking someone to do something sensible in good conscience. Such things are only needed to get people to compromise sensible conscience. @christian heart
@@davidfenton3910 Yes many people have blind faith but many have faith based on logic like doubting Thomas, i dont have children but if i did i would expect them to have a bit of blind faith untill they reached a point where they could think enough to stay safe. You are right about people needing to study propaganda. and being conscious of manipulation can solve a lot of problems but the world we live in has too much money invested in keeping us asleep. I dont think Christianity is the problem, i think its those who take advantage of Christianity, that have used it to control people are the problem.
Hi Al Jay
YES MANY PEOPLE HAVE BLIND FAITH BUT MANY HAVE FAITH BASED ON LOGIC LIKE DOUBTING THOMAS,
When the blind follow the blind both will fall into a ditch
Be careful the light that is in you is not darkness otherwise how deep that darkness.
Thomas is fictional and in that fiction he didn’t use logic he used his senses which is the base true principle BUT it was used in the gospel fairy tale to uplift and overturn the reliable standard of the senses by saying blessed are those who have not seen yet believe. Thus the ‘Doubting Thomas’ part of the tale has as its objective the overturning of the use of the senses and the uplifting of blind faith, … it says blessed are those who have not seen (blind) yet believe (faith).
It is outright stating that blind faith is blessed, when in reality it is outright stupid.
To reiteratie:
Blind faith is the central teaching of the Doubting Thomas part of the Jesus/Christian narrative.
I DONT HAVE CHILDREN BUT IF I DID I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO HAVE A BIT OF BLIND FAITH UNTILL THEY REACHED A POINT WHERE THEY COULD THINK ENOUGH TO STAY SAFE.
What are the central characteristics of our nature and how do they optimally develop. You need to know these things in order to be able to lead and guide the growth of anyone else.
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT PEOPLE NEEDING TO STUDY PROPAGANDA. AND BEING CONSCIOUS OF MANIPULATION CAN SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS BUT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN HAS TOO MUCH MONEY INVESTED IN KEEPING US ASLEEP.
The foundational structures of society have control as their main objective and this preferably through indoctrination and behavioural conditioning and training but through fear and force as back ups.
I DONT THINK CHRISTIANITY IS THE PROBLEM, I THINK ITS THOSE WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CHRISTIANITY, THAT HAVE USED IT TO CONTROL PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM.
Christianity from its inception was imperial Rome implementing control through religious propaganda. The literary evidence for this is conclusive. The Flavian emperors, Vespasian, Titus, Domition and Constantine were central to the development and implementation of Christianity.
The writings attributed to Josephus Flavius, supposedly an official Roman historian, show the Christian Religion to be the Flavian family religion and, because they were emperors, it was also the official Roman State Imperial Cult, developed to celebrate the victories and rule of the Flavians.
The Flavians are the ones that took ‘bread and circuses’ to the extreme in controlling the masses, for example, they built the Colosseum. Their development of Christianity is something that the rulers of society today don’t want known because they are using the same techniques, but extremely enhanced with science and more detailed knowledge and technology.
If you are a Christian it would be a normal response to find what I have written above to be impossible, in your mind, and thus to dismiss it from consideration. If you do that you will have rejected some knowledge that could make you more truly aware. If you refuse to believe unless you can see for yourself that what I have said is true, then that is good because the evidence is not that hard to show. There is even a documentary where some of the key information is laid out. For myself, I went to the texts themselves and found that Josephus and the Gospel Tale of Jesus are definitely linked and it is unquestionable that both texts were written in a linked way. The nature of the links, their linked order and linked physical locations makes it a mathematical certainty that the Gospel is fabricated and much of it was based upon the writings of Jospehus Flavius the Historian of imperial Rome.
What follows is just one part of a long series of parallels between Josephus and The Gospel. The series occurs in the same order and in the same physical locations but one talks about Titus Flavius the son of Vespasian the Divine Emperor of Rome (Hence Titus is the ‘Son of God’) While the other text is concerned with Jesus the religious figure and ‘Son of God’.
There is a Jesus passion narrative in Josephus that parallels the Jesus passion narrative in the bible. It is outlined below as an example of a factual typological link between the two texts. And remember this is just one part of a series of parallels in the same order and in the same physical locations. The texts are linked and show the Jesus tale to parallel the Roman military victory of Titus Flavius and thus glorify the Flavian family, but not obviously or openly. Those that believe in Jesus as Son of God have been cruelly deceived into a mocking and hidden form of worship of Rome’s rulers as divine.
The literary facts I lay out below I have seen and handled and so can anyone. I suggest you do what ‘Thomas’ did and refuse to believe and check it for yourself. I know these are literary facts that show a Roman creation of Christianity and the influence of fabricated religion in western society for thousands of years.
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, came to Jerusalem at the feast of Tabernacles (Booths) which involves the waving of palm branches.
GOSPEL JESUS entered Jerusalem to the waving of palm branches even though he entered to celebrate the passover festival and become its human sacrifice.
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, Delivers a woe expressly using the word woe, against Jerusalem and ‘this whole people’ for over 7 years until he dies on the wall. This Jesus says Woe, woe woe woe woe woe woe for 7 years
GOSPEL JESUS Gives 20 plus woes in Matthew Mark and Luke’s Gospels combined, expressly using the word woe.
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, Seized by Jewish leaders
GOSPEL JESUS Seized by Jewish leaders
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, Beaten and whipped
GOSPEL JESUS Beaten and whipped
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, Answers no questions when interrogated
GOSPEL JESUS Answers no questions when interrogated
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, taken to the Roman procurator
GOSPEL JESUS taken to the Roman procurator
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, Called mad
GOSPEL JESUS Called mad
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, Prophecied his own death and it happened
GOSPEL JESUS Prophesied his own death and it happened
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JOSEPHUS JESUS, THE SON OF ANANUS, Called Jesus
GOSPEL JESUS Called Jesus
Cheers
Sincerely
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@@davidfenton3910 Ok but with Thomas, Jesus wasnt saying you should have blind faith, he just said blessed are those who havent seen Jusus and have faith. The bible says Faith comes through hearing. BUT you still have to use your logic, you are taking the "seeing" too litrally. You dont have to see somthing to be able to put the pieces of the puzzle together. But its alot easyer for those who actually saw Jesus. Secondly so you think that Jesus was a roman who made up the story of Jesus the Jew? If you read the gospels you will see that its not about the history of Jesus its about his knowledge of the old testament and how he exposes the hypocrits. If you know the Old testament you will see what Jesus was doing. It was very unlikely that a roman would go into so much detail about how to keep the Law of God. and know so much about the Jews religion. and you say the guy was also called Jesus? Jesus was just a translation his name was Yahosha. So i dont know, yes there may have been simmilarities but that doesnt prove anything.
I love when Christians get to randomly pick and choose what the Bible presents as info to be taken literally and what is supposed to be taken as metaphor...
It's soooooo convenient...lol
As if you read any of the source material for yourself jackass.
Could you give us an example?
It's not random. The parts that would make them look like idiots or psychopaths are the ones that are not to be taken at face value the way they were written.
@Justin H The fact is that *no* christian thinks critically about the bible, and that's why they believe it.
@Justin H There's parts of the bible that make it _obvious_ that the god and demigod described within are fictional. For one thing, the demigod thought that the heart does the brain's job. Sure, it's a figure of speech *now,* but back then, that was "knowledge" just like their thinking that the Earth was flat was also "knowledge" to the writers of genesis. The christian demigod claimed that prayer in its name would always work and would accomplish the impossible. We all know it doesn't work that way, which is why I've had christians lie to me and tell me a verse that begins with _"Truly I tell you…"_ is metaphorical when it says that you will receive *whatever* you ask for in prayer, if you have a little bit of faith.
If the bible wasn't obviously fictional, I still would not worship the god character described within because it's a raving psychopath that can't forgive like an emotionally healthy person, unless there's bloodshed and suffering. People ignore all of the evil acts, demands of genocide and civilian murder, and endorsements of slavery and conquest rape that this god was involved in, because *not* worshiping yahweh means they will not be able to live forever in an impossible afterlife. That fear of the reality of being dead forever scares them so much that even smart people will avoid thinking critically about how horrible the god they worship would be if it were real. It punishes innocent children for what a long dead ancestor has done.
Religious people tend to resemble the gods they are willing to worship. That's why so many past christian leaders claimed that the chief pleasure in heaven would be watching the tortures in hell…
I'll leave you with this: If you'd read these very simply written passages below and then try to tell me they *don't* contradict, then I'll know just how dishonest you are. If you're a believer and this singular example of how the bible is self-contradicting gives you doubts, I'll congratulate you for being the first christian to read the passages below honestly.
*Deuteronomy 5;8-9* _NIV_
*8* _“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below._ *9* _You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the lord your god, am a jealous god, _*_punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation_*_ of those who hate me,_
*Deuteronomy 24;16* _NIV_
*16* _Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin._
there are different opinions about who wrote what but its al by divine guidans
Says who? I hope your evidence isn’t that it is from divine guidance just because it says so. Another thousand books also state they are true because they said so. That isn’t evidence. It means nothing. There is no proof whatsoever the Bible is from divine guidance. In fact. A lot of evidence it is written by random people who never met Jesus.
@Larry Cavalli niet accepting "the truth"makers IT a lie,who is your puppet master ,OR do you belief your in controle,i pray for you ,with love....1way,1truth,1who safes ...JESUS...
@Larry Cavalli i'm sorry for the delay,but what makers you a non believer?where do you center life round,i hope you have the courage to be saved by JESUS,what is right?depending were we are ,OR who we are knowing the same rules ?To have rules that are not absoluut make Them unnatural cause our reality exsist by these rules!?Now if you Read the true rules for us ,you shall deel the conextion,with Them,as a men..person and get peace and love in live....bless you my prayer is for this for you and yours!!!!
I've written a quite interesting book called, "Early Religions, Judaism & Christianity: the scholars speak" which gives the backside of these religions, how they started and with very critical viewpoints. The style of the Book of Rev. came out NOT from NT books but rather Zoroastrianism (300 BC)-surprisingly which few scholars mention. This was another early Persian monotheistic religion based on Divine Judgement and merit. This John character was merely rewriting the mythical Avesta and y nothing of any consequence has come out from its "prophecies" 2000 yrs later...
you ment 3000 BC, Zoroastrianism is the oldest monotheistic religion... far more old than 300 BC, scholars and parsis said that could be as old as 5.000 years
@@SAR-re1fx Thx but I was being conservative with my estimates... To me Psalms was mostly written in monotheistic Babylon presumably under Zoroasterianism. So the later Hebrews said, 'hey that also works 4 us' and used them as their own. I'm the only 1 with this theory to my knowledge.
@@curlymyhero
There is no such thing as polytheism.
@@MichaelMckerrell Uhh u lost me on that one...
@@curlymyhero
There is only One God.
The whole pantheon of gods and goddesses are simply different manifestations, aspects or attributes of the same One God.
"Jove first exists, whose thunders roll above, Jove last, Jove midmost, all proceeds from Jove; Female is Jove, Immortal Jove is male; Jove the broad Earth, the heavens irradiate pale; Jove is the boundless Spirit, Jove the Fire, That warms the world with feeling and desire; The Sea is Jove, the Sun, the lunar ball, Jove king supreme, the sovereign source of all. All power is his, to Him all glory give, For his vast form embraces all that live."
~Aristotle author of "De Mundo" (384-322 BCE).
Great series. I was looking forward to the book of Jewish sci fi. Cheers!
Go over to Spirit Science, where you'll get tales of Jews vs Martians. You're welcome.
You evey watch the show "Who wrote the bible'? discovery?? or a history channel show.
See Richard Elliot Friedman. He is the expert.
Revelation: Is not most of it on the Destruction of the Temple, I think so...
Now I have to spoil the 666 likes
there are a lot of crazy "christians" who really need to see this video right now.... 😥
Yes, I was told the world would be over by now. The Christians lied to me.
Nice work! I’m not in agreement with ALL of your conclusions. However, I appreciate your research.
Who wrote Revelation?
Great research. I do not think that the Apostle John wrote any book of the NT.
When?
Good research again. I am in the pre-70AD group.
Your mention the temple in Revelation 11 is strong evidence that it was written prior to 70AD. I think that you are not giving enough consideration to this passage. It would be extremely odd to write about “the temple” and not mention that it was a “new” temple, if the book was written after 70AD.
You stated:
“Keep in mind that this book was about Rome, not Babylon.”
This is the popular opinion.
There is reason to disagree with this theory.
The Book (IMO) is an apocalyptic account of the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD.
“The Beast” is Rome and/or Nero, yes.
However, the harlot city (“Babylon”) is Jerusalem.
“Parousia was expected very soon.” True!
I am in the “Preterist” camp, which believe that the “coming of the Son of Man” (The Second Coming) occurred in 70AD at the Fall of Jerusalem. The “Second Coming” and the “Fall of Jerusalem” are the same event.
Side Note:
I like your Enoch references!
Resources that I recommend:
The Parousia
www.amazon.com/Parousia-Testament-Doctrine-Second-Coming/dp/0801077257
What Happened in 70AD?
www.amazon.com/What-Happened-D-Destruction-Jerusalem/dp/193284404X
Before Jerusalem Fell (Dating the Book of Revelation)
www.amazon.com/Before-Jerusalem-Fell-Dating-Revelation/dp/0982620608/ref=sr_1_1?crid=9K37C6AGWA0H&dchild=1&keywords=before+jerusalem+fell+kenneth+gentry&qid=1623450833&s=books&sprefix=before+jerusa%2Cstripbooks%2C266&sr=1-1
There are audio versions of 2 of these books on the following CZcams channel (if you like listening to a man’s voice with an English accent).
www.amazon.com/What-Happened-D-Destruction-Jerusalem/dp/193284404X
czcams.com/video/GFIWUSB7Fv8/video.html
Other videos:
You can look up “Bruce Gore” and “Dating Revelation” on CZcams for a few videos that discuss the dating of Revelation and the identity of “Babylon” and other related stuff (The Beast, etc.).
King Solomon's gold was listed as 666
really? do you have proof?
@@aljay9622 It’s written in 1 Kings 10:14 but the context is different
Vicarius Filii Dei or Vicar of the son of God is a title for the Pope,, and that equals 666 too...
HMMM yeah all Holy Books should never be taken literally, but then again some ppl interpret them to their way of thinking. and for me its the contradictions in the bible. ie "eye for an eye tooth for a tooth" or is it "Vengeance is mine Sayeth the Lord" Or "Turn the other cheek"
Ok, I found this video ya'll made, and figured that I would tell ya'll something about it.
Now I am a Christian, but I do not attend any church services. I haven't been inside a church building for 5 years +.
I have read the King James Bible several times. And I don't hold to any doctrine of inerrancy of scripture because there are false statements in the Bible.
An easy one to see is: Psalm 105:40. The people asked, and he brought quails, and satisfied them with the bread of heaven.
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That verse is written as fact. But it is false, because Jesus Christ himself disputed it in John 6, because contrary to what they teach in the pulpit, the God of the old testament was not Jesus's Father, he was the devil. That wicked one.
Freemasons run the churches.
And another book I'm very skeptical about is Romans. James and Peters epistles came from their own thoughts, not from God.
But as for Revelation.
I have a problem that came up recently, one I never expected.
All over FB and YT.
My comments on Revelation get deleted.
Why? Because there are strong arguments one can make that it's an evil book from Satan, but I found a proof in Revelation that it was from Satan, and they want to keep that secret.
Yeah, the book of Revelation is from the devil, and maybe ya'll would want to help me get the message out. Definitely not for the same reason, but oh well.
Here is the proof.
The epistles to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3 are actually to the ANGEL of that church. And these angels are the same 7 angels found throughout Revelation.
That's a very important and often overlooked detail.
Revelation 3.
9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
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Ok, those 3 verses are the 3 witnesses.
1. Those who are of the synagogue of Satan will worship at the 6th angel's feet.
2. Verses 10 and 11 contain information that will be used to identify the 6th angel again.
Revelation 19.
9. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
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Ok, that verse links to 3:10.
10. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservent, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy.
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Notice Ellen White's "Testimonies" and "Spirit of Prophesy" in that verse. They knew about this back in the 1800's.
But anyway, that's the writer falling at the feet of the 6th angel and worshipping him. And was told not to.
Revelation 22.
7. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophesy of this book.
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And that's from Revelation 3:11.
8. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
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Ok, that is proof that John Patmos was of the synagogue of Satan, because there is no way that the true God would have ordained it to be written like that.
The Jesus in Revelation is Lucifer. Who is the Jehova of the old testament.
Even Paul warned us about Revelation.
Colossians 2:18. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
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Peter did not write 1 or 2 Peter
9:27 to 9:38 how on Earth did you reach that conclusion?
he read it
Historical context, that's how...
Personification for the Serpent not God but the Serpent , he is both God and Devil, Evil and Good ..the only way reality can exist ..otherwise is lop sided ...the Bible explains reality Not why or how to fix it but rather just Is ..
The reality of the way things are in other words? That is how I view God, as a conceptual deity to represent the realities of Universal laws that govern all things, with all of its forces and effects.
Perhaps God is a Serpent is the same thing as saying Life is a Bitch
Written by a John ... Not speaking from experience here, only from movies, but isn't that what brothels call the customers?
Revelation: Next level bible babble.
The book of revelation covers a 12 month period which is repeated every year beginning at the spring equinox and the sign of the lamb. The first chapter of Genesis is also repeated on a 12 month period, the six days are the six months beginning at the spring equinox in Aries and ends in the sign of Virgo. The six nights are the six months from the fall equinox to the spring equinox. This is illustrated in the Last Supper by Leonardo DaVinci where he places Vigo to the immediate right of Jesus and Aries to his far right. Pisces is to his far left and the Scorpion is divided into Libra nd Scorpio on his immediate left.
Quite entertaining as far as the Bible goes, though. No long lists of begats or anything.
@Stasis Field Yeah you're right. In the hands of the religious the bible is a better ventriloquist dummy than Charlie McCarthy. I'll have to check out Bible Babel thanks.
IF the book of Revelation is dated 80-90 AD that means it was written after the fall and destruction of Jerusalem. And YET this major event is not mentioned at al!? And the author talks about "measuring the temple"! What temple? The one that Jesus prophesied will not remain stone upon stone?!
Is it Christian that is the only religion in the world .
Leaves alone
The book of revelation was taken into the future of the Lords day Revelation1:10 and like Daniel it is only opened up to Jehovahs prophets Daniel 12:9,10) Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end. 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand.
If you would like to understand the book of Revelation you can contact Jehovahs witnesses at www.jw.org By the way it was written by the apostle John 96CE The prior kings that the whore of Babylon sits on top are Egypt ,Assyria,Babylon,Medo-Persia Greece,the one in existance Rome then the Anglo-American.The wild beast will turn on the harlot false religion and destroy it..The 666 was representing all world governments and the image of the wild beast is the united nations,.The league of nations was but is not but will appear for a short while as the United nations.Take care Gary
Apparently Israel wants to get rid of the current UN and set up an new version, under them. And you guys are being tricked by the Freemasons. Just a heads up. Might want to look into that.
@@LadyBeritanavatarius I am following Jehovah and am not tricked into following some man made organisation.
The book of revelation is all about cabala, use of jewish qabalah for christian magic
The Egyptian John was called Taht Aan.
@@harveywabbit9541 whats the numbers of those words?
@@freewilliam93
The dastardly 666 is from sether aka winter.
@@harveywabbit9541 Yikes
I get a kick out of all the religious commercials YT places in atheist talks.
Allen Quartermane I don’t see any
@@WarmPotato Maybe it's because of my area of Florida.
My take on Revelations is that poor old John had been out in the sun too long, and he was mad at the Romans.
That's why you need to repent and be born again
@@dieselcowboy777 How can you be born twice?
@@fatslapper49 because the 2nd birth is by the holy ghost baptism....not by a woman...you have to be born of God
Like Dante Alighieri pissing on the church in his writings during his exile that influenced the view and personalization of the afterlife quite significantly.
@@dieselcowboy777 I was born once. That was enough.
to be honest with you order to do we understand the Bible you have to have faith in God and you have to believe in God and you have to accept him as Lord and Savior order to have true understanding
@The NIFB Jesus
The book of revelation covers a 12 month period which is repeated every year beginning at the spring equinox and the sign of the lamb. The first chapter of Genesis is also repeated on a 12 month period, the six days are the six months beginning at the spring equinox in Aries and ends in the sign of Virgo. The six nights are the six months from the fall equinox to the spring equinox. This is illustrated in the Last Supper by Leonardo DaVinci where he places Vigo to the immediate right of Jesus and Aries to his far right. Pisces is to his far left and the Scorpion is divided into Libra nd Scorpio on his immediate left.
So you have to believe before you see the evidence? Do you know what rational people call that?
_"Cognitive Bias."_ It's fallacious thinking at its finest.
You have to have critical thinking skills to see the bullshit that is it.
Yes but you also have to learn to study the bible and search for the truth. crytical thinking is imortant. seek and you will find.
With out the Holy Spirit it is impossible to evaluate any Biblical text. No amount of scholarship can replace humility. Pride is the driver in the mind of an atheist, to the atheist he himself is sovereign and his very existence he firmly believes is an accident. Holding himself as the height of creation thru evolution. As atheist scientists around the world who have discovered that their science has proven intelligent design, they scramble for new theories in a desperate attempt to, once again, deny there is a creator. Pride is the heaviest of all burden. Christ can take that burden and fill you with his spirit if you humble yourself before God. "I am the way the Truth and the life no one comes to the father but by me" "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Thanks for the laugh. All or most of revelation was fulfilled in 70ad.
The Holy Spirit told me The book of Revelation is false.
The head is rome Your problem but understanding it is time
Julius Caesar was never emperor only dictator
Roman law stated, that in times of war the senate should choose a temporary dictator. But Caesar never stepped back as a dictator and the title Caesar, which became the german word 'Kaiser', was inherited by every ruler after him. So he was indeed the first emperor or Kaiser.
I hate when people refer to the parts of the bible as "books". This terminology is designed to make the 1 book much more glorious in a rhetorical sense. Call them parts, the alternative is doing their work for them.
Well then you must hate what I'm about to say which is the Bible is a collection of books. Literally. The word Bible comes from Byblos which is where the best parchment was made to write on. If the Bible were "chapters or parts were why did they have to have councils to decide which one to put in the collection? Which what? Books. So you must hate history then. Whatever. LOL
10:21 you referred to Julius Caesar as the first emperor.
This (along with much more of the presentation) shows you haven't done your research properly.
Wow, these are some geniuses here. Where did you get your education, on the back of a comic book
People take the literal as metaphor and the metaphors as literal because it is how our brains work ..the brain is backward engineered
Well in that case, it must be the opposite of what you claim. Lol.
LOL
1 Enoch 14:8 sounds like a ufo and an abduction
Talking very fast ..
What if there is one source that creates all the motions and movements in the universe, even our own thoughts and actions, and we are witnessing the universe playing out its plan: that the universe is expanding at the speed of light in all points in space and at every moment in time.
This is the common key into understanding quantum mechanics, gravity, consciousness, religion and the desire for having a doctrine of creation, intelligent design, as well, this is the underlying mechanism of the new atheist and the simulated universe as the computer running the program has one power source.
Here's a kickstarter campaign that goes into this, if you want more information: www.kickstarter.com/projects/568849833/our-reality-a-new-way-to-look-at-the-universe-and-ourselves?ref=project_build#
So people genuinely believe that Revelation is not the inspired word of God. None of it??
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Yes. How can you believe otherwise when the clear evidence is presented in the video?
Nt is sus
When Theology is influenced by psilocybin...
Actually the active psychedelic was more likely ergot, which grows easily on old rye wheat.
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Yep, evidence of these "visions" supports that hypothesis. John of Patmos may have been operating his knowledge of the Bible on a psychotropic ergotium trip. Makes you think...
A CyBerean Unification Biblical Unitarian Perspective,..
Even i will have to review your secular humanist interpretations of this set and a seemingly klingon cathaholic view and whateber weak version thou readest,..
KJV preferred,..
Well apparently even Satan studies the Bible
The book of revelation covers a 12 month period which is repeated every year beginning at the spring equinox and the sign of the lamb. The first chapter of Genesis is also repeated on a 12 month period, the six days are the six months beginning at the spring equinox in Aries and ends in the sign of Virgo. The six nights are the six months from the fall equinox to the spring equinox. This is illustrated in the Last Supper by Leonardo DaVinci where he places Vigo to the immediate right of Jesus and Aries to his far right. Pisces is to his far left and the Scorpion is divided into Libra nd Scorpio on his immediate left.
If he even exists.
@@LadyBeritanavatarius
Jesus is the evidence that God exists
@Lee Shackelford
2. EXTERNAL EVIDENCE for mark
“So strong was the early Christian testimony that Mark was the author of this gospel that we need do little more than mention this attestation.”2 It is cited by Papias, Irenaeus, the Muratorian Canon (most likely), Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen, and Jerome. Further, this testimony is universal in connecting this gospel with Peter. Papias Dan Wallace 253
666 is NOT Nero.
I do not belive in atheism.
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This is coming from people who have a massive ax to grind against the Lord Jesus. No one in his right mind would and should believe any part of this intricate long winded sophistry !!
The Lord Jesus is the Alpha and Omega ... His Spirit lets us know that with NO DOUBT left when we seek to obey Him.
All the rest of folks can be swayed ... and want to be swayed, by any group of naysayers ! And there are plenty of those.
Biblical scholarship is sophistry? I should alert the many Christian authors I sourced
@@MilwaukeeAtheists
No, the sophistry comes in in the massive sophistic verbose spin that follows an a priori position of not only disbelief but rejection and hostility toward the ONLY True Living God.
The Bible as explained by the Holy Spirit to an obedient believer is FLAWLESS, hallelujah !
... how's that ? 🙂
There's no hostility here. I'm discussing the scholarship behind revelation through a historical lens. The bible is far from flawless. Those flaws make sense when taken in their historical context (considering authorship, date, etc.). But taking certain things at face value would be missing the whole point sometimes. This is ancient literature and one would be doing it a disservice to take it out of its historical context
@@MilwaukeeAtheists
Any committed defense attorney with a mediocre IQ can take the case and spin and twist it to seem to exculpate his guilty client.
That is what atheists in a panic that God might be Real do in order to reassure themselves that they don't stand a chance of perishing like it says in the Bible the unbelievers are destined to do ... ( be ? ) ... you correct it, it's your language ! 🙂
You seem to think this is something atheists do exclusively. Nearly every scholar cited was Christian. Do you think they're also acting like smarmy lawyers?
My oversimplified conclusion:
An uneducated mediocre guy is exiled and hates Nero for some reason. He writes desperate letters to several churches.
His work somehow gains attention and this attention gets more attention. His nonsence is interpreted thousands of times by minds thousand of times greater than his own.
So his initially dumb work, actually becomes interesting after all.
Петър Петров Did you even watch the video?
I love when an atheist asks me if God exists, how can you prove it? I ask them if God doesn't exist how can you prove it?
Then they seem to change the subject real quick. Silly people God is the entire universe, and we're just a small fraction of the universe.
Don't get me wrong though; I love atheist just as much as believers though,, and I sometimes enjoy getting into nerd talk with them. Because I'm an undercover nerd that loves star trek. Just don't want chicks to find out, or I'd be finished! lol jk
@Larry Cavalli that's not what the bible said, "God said let us create man in our own image," and now here's what trips me out who's our that's image we were created in? LoL
I always like to say that if there is a fork in the road... and you have a decision to make (left... there is no higher consciousness and right... there is a higher consciousness)... the probability is in favor of a higher consciousness. Why? Simply because we are made of space dust, iron, copper, zinc, carbon, lipids, etc... yet we are space dust that is self-aware. We are conscious. We can jump against gravity, we can run against the wind... we are sentient. As space dust, we are proof that intelligence can occur. We are a higher consciousness. So the question becomes... is it a bigger leap to believe that there is higher intelligence out there, or is it a bigger leap to believe there is nothing else? My answer is that it is a MUCH bigger leap to think there is nothing, when we have more evidence to the contrary... we are that evidence.
@@obiwan9236 Yashua was first born of all creation so He could have been talking to his son.
Even though you may have good intentions, you're off base brother. Go back to study for yourself and forgo teaching a mixture of truth and error.
Mixture of truth and errors... according to who???
"Be Still "
by Gooden and Cohen
I've come a long way still have a longer way to go it's been a Lonely Road but I know I'm not alone sometimes the going has gotten tough and I was down could not get it up but when my Sin I had enough Jesus took me by the hand
Be still and know that I am God
With me there's nothing that's too hard
I'll get you through
I've left it all behind
To find the one above
I had to die inside
To Forgive and learn to love
I've found that letting go
Turns faith into a rope and so now I'm holding on to the only one who gives me hope.
Be still and know that I am God
With me there's nothing that's too hard
I'll get you through it
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