Thanks for doing a full on review of this product. I’ve been waiting for one since the announcement. I have this on preorder being a cockpit builder and I’ve had the older cougar HOTAS and Winwings Orion with F16 grip. This looks like a great solution for my full F-16 Cockpit build. I appreciate your well rounded view and assessment of the functionality. Thanks a lot buddy.👍👍
I am left wondering whether 500 euro's is a bit too expensive for what this is. That price point means that it needs to compete with top of the line products. Like Virpil's VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle for ~423.5 euro's and VKB products (Most expensive throttle version being the Gunfighter Mk. III Base with Modern Combat Grip Ultimate (with twist) & Omni Throttle Adapter: 238 + 345 + 57 = 640). Comparatively, this seems like a tough sell to me. But if you specifically are seeking F-16 style throttle for immersion, it might be worth the surplus to specific users.
While I've always wanted a viper throttle - dont get why they chose to move buttons around or eg gears not where they're meant to be - thought like the A10 HOTAS they were going for authenticity and makes that part useless if trying to recreate it all 1:1 in a simpit
You don’t need to stay on the gear handle to immediately get the gear up. The gear will extend/retract below 350 knots. Usually we count 2 seconds after wheels up and hit the gear lever then.
Good way to get your gear ruined in gold old BMS .... I don't think that's proper procedure, esp on a F-16. >_< Above around 180 it used to be your gear was ruined and wouldn't work anymore and would just be stuck ...
@@CommDante The gear on a viper in real life isn’t as brittle as in these games. I was down at Osan for some time. I’m not saying bring your gear up once you hit 350, that’s retarded. But, you don’t have to keep your hand off of the gas just to make sure the gear comes up as soon as the plane does.
Good mornimg Sir, Is this compatable with a Desktop mount? I know TM sell one , by any chance do you know if It is compatable with their one? Thank you
If you're actually building a pit, better to just get the throttle and save yourself a chunk of change by building your own panel. It's got useful switches, but nothing is where it should be in the actual cockpit.
great video however for anyone looking into buying a viper throttle id much rather recomend the winwing throttle as it is higher build quality for a lower price. in my opinion 500$ is way to much for this throttle especially when looking at competitor prices. virpil while for sure more expensive is an amazing hotas system and worth looking into. VKB can be slightly cheaper then virpil but will still set you in around the 700+ range for a full hotas setup. winwing offers great prices for very good quality. many people have said virpil adn VKB are better then winwing but from my experience it is not that noticable of a different honestly and for the price reduction that you get form winwing it is very much worth it. for those who want a hotas setup winwing is offering an f15 styled throttle with an f16 stick for around 380 that is very high quality and if you wanna spend a bit extra to get that f16 throttle as well that will bring you to 480. not cheap but from my experience a very worthwhile option that i can highly recommend. hope everyone has a nice day
In the f16, the autopilot switch is spring loaded and is automatically pushed into default position when an a certain aoa is reached with it turned on. Unfortunately that does not carry onto the Hotas making it a bit useless. The only good feature of this thing is the slap switch.
Yeah, for a piece this price, kinda excpect more....and although specific ingame requirement might be high -> Who is buying it? Yup, people that spend 50-70 dollars per modular aircraft...on a 15 y/o game (kinda forgot how long it was until I saw bootup :P ). Damn I feel old right now. >_
Eyeballing this for Falcon BMS. Going to have to map some of those different then what is labeled on the base. Seems like great hardware. I don't need this I already have a Warthog and everything works just fine after 7 years. Thanks for sharing your review it helps a lot!
I've been your subscriber since 2018 I guess. Good old days back when IF Global was out!. I enjoythe current games you are playing especially the Derail & Logistic Tours of F1. But can we hope to see IF streams back again any time soon ?
Very nice review, that's the way to do it! This looks really tempting, and I have my old Cougar from 2004, but as for now I'm focused on the AJS37 Viggen module, so I will hold off for a while :)
What's your outro song? It's a bop, just like the channel. And speaking of, are you gonna review the new Heritage engine packs for TSW3 Norfolk Southern stuff?
The Winwing force sensing stick has a major issue because it has a deadzone in the middle making it impossible to make fine adjustments, the only real force sensing stick on the market is the Realism FSSB, you can use it with a warthog grip or their own grips.
Great video with real expertise! thanks! but I am not sure about your negative point. The one fits all has it's limit. At some point, when you fly, you want immersion and to get it you need to replicate it. I don't feel flying an F16 with a dual throttle. Like you don't feel flying a Boeing airliner with a push yoke. Otherwise, you can push this idea and only fly with a joystick because it fits all type of plane on earth. right? now simulation is expensive for sure.
I rather like the throttle itself, esp compared to WW, but all the buttons and especially the gear are soo weak/toy like .... they make little to no sense other then 'gamey'. Yes on the Warthog people often put switches to other stuff, but you could at least look ingame/in cockpit down where button was...and then use it ingame.... here it's just a mush of decently often used buttons, on a weird place.... imho better off getting the base and make your own 'THQ button's' with an andruino orso...
Hey! im concidering buying this for my birthday thats coming up. I was wondering if i could just set this up on my desk like normally or do i need to buy one of those metal stand things to mount on my desk?
@@BluGames And also. i have a flight stick and throttle, i think its called x52. With this stick and throttle i need to put a cable from the stick to the throttle, and then the throttle to my pc. so i cant use the stick without having it connected to the throttle. do i just have to buy a new stick too? i wanted to buy the throttle in this video but if my x52 is like that, dont i have to buy a stick too?
Not much of a review IMO. I know what all the buttons and rotaries do having used a Cougar for the last 20 years. What I really wanted to know if stuff like build quality, button feel and accuracy, ease of programmability (not everyone flies the pretender sim).
Showed a lot of Promise until they went and made switches out of plastic. Completely unacceptable With Better Price alternatives on the market like win wing
I have several Thrustmaster products & I like them. I'm into a full cockpit build now & I'm considering Winwing for the helicopter end of it ...I like their collective. I've looked at this system & questioned the use of plastic when other products in this price range are mostly metal. My X-56 HOTAS is mostly plastic ...I have no issues if it is of good quality & feel. However; Buttons are different as they have moving parts that wear out & for me ...they must feel of quality ...nothing is more disappointing than a rubbery feeling or loose switch. This brings up the question of button quality ...I noticed that the "heading bug-button" appeared to be very lose ...was I wrong? That would be the game changer for me. The base does little & can be cheap ...but if the switches & buttons are lose & floppy ...I see it as an indication of poor quality & fear they'll fail. Other than that one button ...it looks of high quality How do the buttons feel to you? Great video ...thanks.
Thanks for doing a full on review of this product. I’ve been waiting for one since the announcement. I have this on preorder being a cockpit builder and I’ve had the older cougar HOTAS and Winwings Orion with F16 grip. This looks like a great solution for my full F-16 Cockpit build. I appreciate your well rounded view and assessment of the functionality. Thanks a lot buddy.👍👍
You are Very welcome . Would love to see the full cockpit when u r done
Total bummer Thrustmaster got cheap and made the knobs, buttons & most switches plastic. On the OG Cougar they were all fully metal.
Thank you, Blu. This was a fantastic review.
I am left wondering whether 500 euro's is a bit too expensive for what this is. That price point means that it needs to compete with top of the line products. Like Virpil's VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle for ~423.5 euro's and VKB products (Most expensive throttle version being the Gunfighter Mk. III Base with Modern Combat Grip Ultimate (with twist) &
Omni Throttle Adapter: 238 + 345 + 57 = 640). Comparatively, this seems like a tough sell to me. But if you specifically are seeking F-16 style throttle for immersion, it might be worth the surplus to specific users.
While I've always wanted a viper throttle - dont get why they chose to move buttons around or eg gears not where they're meant to be - thought like the A10 HOTAS they were going for authenticity and makes that part useless if trying to recreate it all 1:1 in a simpit
from 2010 looks like first combination that can be the competitor for x65f... this one for throttle, and realsimulator for joy... just 12 years:)
😅
Looks awesome! Thanks for the great review.
Yea very welcome
You don’t need to stay on the gear handle to immediately get the gear up. The gear will extend/retract below 350 knots. Usually we count 2 seconds after wheels up and hit the gear lever then.
Appreciate it good to know
Good way to get your gear ruined in gold old BMS .... I don't think that's proper procedure, esp on a F-16. >_<
Above around 180 it used to be your gear was ruined and wouldn't work anymore and would just be stuck ...
@@CommDante The gear on a viper in real life isn’t as brittle as in these games. I was down at Osan for some time. I’m not saying bring your gear up once you hit 350, that’s retarded. But, you don’t have to keep your hand off of the gas just to make sure the gear comes up as soon as the plane does.
Super solid presentation, editing and format. Nicely done! Concerned about mounting this personally.
What are you trying to mount it to
Good mornimg Sir,
Is this compatable with a Desktop mount? I know TM sell one , by any chance do you know if It is compatable with their one?
Thank you
I use heavy duty Velcro, wonderful stuff.
If you're actually building a pit, better to just get the throttle and save yourself a chunk of change by building your own panel. It's got useful switches, but nothing is where it should be in the actual cockpit.
aw man that f16 throttle is so cool but im gettin that winwing f15ex
Yea that one looks good too
great video however for anyone looking into buying a viper throttle id much rather recomend the winwing throttle as it is higher build quality for a lower price. in my opinion 500$ is way to much for this throttle especially when looking at competitor prices. virpil while for sure more expensive is an amazing hotas system and worth looking into. VKB can be slightly cheaper then virpil but will still set you in around the 700+ range for a full hotas setup. winwing offers great prices for very good quality. many people have said virpil adn VKB are better then winwing but from my experience it is not that noticable of a different honestly and for the price reduction that you get form winwing it is very much worth it. for those who want a hotas setup winwing is offering an f15 styled throttle with an f16 stick for around 380 that is very high quality and if you wanna spend a bit extra to get that f16 throttle as well that will bring you to 480. not cheap but from my experience a very worthwhile option that i can highly recommend. hope everyone has a nice day
In the f16, the autopilot switch is spring loaded and is automatically pushed into default position when an a certain aoa is reached with it turned on. Unfortunately that does not carry onto the Hotas making it a bit useless. The only good feature of this thing is the slap switch.
Yeah, for a piece this price, kinda excpect more....and although specific ingame requirement might be high -> Who is buying it? Yup, people that spend 50-70 dollars per modular aircraft...on a 15 y/o game (kinda forgot how long it was until I saw bootup :P ).
Damn I feel old right now. >_
When you showed the throttle quad at expo its one on my list maybe towards end of year hopefully. Much obliged for review!👍
Eyeballing this for Falcon BMS. Going to have to map some of those different then what is labeled on the base. Seems like great hardware. I don't need this I already have a Warthog and everything works just fine after 7 years. Thanks for sharing your review it helps a lot!
Very welcome! I tried it in falcon bms and it worked pretty good. But i only tested the main axis and switches
@@BluGames If I am not mistaken it is ready to plug in out the box no need for assembly.
yes thats correct @@AviationPlus
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I see you got one bro @blu that’s dope I remember these at the expo. Great addition
Yea i been lovin it
The only thing this gives me over my WinWing F16 is that slapswitch……I want that slap switch but not enough to pay that.
I've been your subscriber since 2018 I guess. Good old days back when IF Global was out!. I enjoythe current games you are playing especially the Derail & Logistic Tours of F1. But can we hope to see IF streams back again any time soon ?
Wow! Thats amazing. Thank you for supporting me all these years!
But no sorry i dont have any plans for any IF content any time soon
Very nice review, that's the way to do it! This looks really tempting, and I have my old Cougar from 2004, but as for now I'm focused on the AJS37 Viggen module, so I will hold off for a while :)
Cool!! Well thanks for watching!
Laughlin AFB is pronounced "loff-lin" lol. Sick vid regardless!
Oh thanks!!
Excellent review Blu...
👍👍👏👏
What's your outro song? It's a bop, just like the channel.
And speaking of, are you gonna review the new Heritage engine packs for TSW3 Norfolk Southern stuff?
I really appreciate that! I thought about doing a video for NS but the DLC was just not that interesting to me.. i might revisit it later
@@BluGames What's the outro song? I Like to listen to a lot of outro music
You don't have authentic flight controls unless you get a force sensing stick, like the one from WW.
The Winwing force sensing stick has a major issue because it has a deadzone in the middle making it impossible to make fine adjustments, the only real force sensing stick on the market is the Realism FSSB, you can use it with a warthog grip or their own grips.
Any idea how good this throttle would work for games like elite dangerous
Great question. Should work fine as long as it recognizes it. But i havent tried it
Great video with real expertise! thanks! but I am not sure about your negative point. The one fits all has it's limit. At some point, when you fly, you want immersion and to get it you need to replicate it. I don't feel flying an F16 with a dual throttle. Like you don't feel flying a Boeing airliner with a push yoke. Otherwise, you can push this idea and only fly with a joystick because it fits all type of plane on earth. right? now simulation is expensive for sure.
Excellent piece of hardware. I just may put this on my xmas list, LOL.
I rather like the throttle itself, esp compared to WW, but all the buttons and especially the gear are soo weak/toy like .... they make little to no sense other then 'gamey'.
Yes on the Warthog people often put switches to other stuff, but you could at least look ingame/in cockpit down where button was...and then use it ingame.... here it's just a mush of decently often used buttons, on a weird place.... imho better off getting the base and make your own 'THQ button's' with an andruino orso...
look at it ingame and use it on real device*
I understand
Looks a really cool peace of hardware...
Hey! im concidering buying this for my birthday thats coming up. I was wondering if i could just set this up on my desk like normally or do i need to buy one of those metal stand things to mount on my desk?
Yes you can set this on your desk. You dont need a fancy chair. Thrustmast also has deskmounts if you want to mount it lower
@@BluGames Sounds good man! thx for the fast reply : )
@@BluGames And also. i have a flight stick and throttle, i think its called x52. With this stick and throttle i need to put a cable from the stick to the throttle, and then the throttle to my pc. so i cant use the stick without having it connected to the throttle. do i just have to buy a new stick too? i wanted to buy the throttle in this video but if my x52 is like that, dont i have to buy a stick too?
So why would I spend $500 for the throttle when the Orion is under $500 for both.
Looks like awesomeness.
looks great, though I would like to know how it compares to the winwing F16 Throttle addon
Im gonna go with the wingwin orion, no countermeasure switch on the wall but doesnt feel plastic
Does thrustmaster ask you to mail the product back after the review? Great product review!
Nope thank God i get to keep most the stuff i review
Not much of a review IMO. I know what all the buttons and rotaries do having used a Cougar for the last 20 years. What I really wanted to know if stuff like build quality, button feel and accuracy, ease of programmability (not everyone flies the pretender sim).
worth it!
👌
No
Nice review of Blu's thigh here. JK 😂 Very cool throttle and nice review bro! 😃
Like what u see? Lol haha thanks for warching
Lol
An overkill
Showed a lot of Promise until they went and made switches out of plastic. Completely unacceptable With Better Price alternatives on the market like win wing
Too late
Too plasticy
Too expensive
Too light so it wiggles
Where they on heroin while deciding the price?
Not even close to worth it compared to the Winwing
Now I see why It is 500 dollars lol
Lol haha
I have several Thrustmaster products & I like them. I'm into a full cockpit build now & I'm considering Winwing for the helicopter end of it ...I like their collective. I've looked at this system & questioned the use of plastic when other products in this price range are mostly metal. My X-56 HOTAS is mostly plastic ...I have no issues if it is of good quality & feel. However; Buttons are different as they have moving parts that wear out & for me ...they must feel of quality ...nothing is more disappointing than a rubbery feeling or loose switch. This brings up the question of button quality ...I noticed that the "heading bug-button" appeared to be very lose ...was I wrong? That would be the game changer for me.
The base does little & can be cheap ...but if the switches & buttons are lose & floppy ...I see it as an indication of poor quality & fear they'll fail.
Other than that one button ...it looks of high quality How do the buttons feel to you?
Great video ...thanks.